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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (1 Viewer)

agreed.  patriots aren't the best drafters either.  but they are well coached and prepared.
It's the reason why I would be willing to gamble on McDaniels as the next HC for the Raiders. No need to reiterate why people don't like him, I get it and think it is narrow minded logic. If people want to go through life judging everyone exclusively by their worst performance that's up to them but I doubt it gets them far.

McDaniels has helped to scheme these offenses with Belichick for years now, I would hope that some of that would have rubbed off on him over the past decade. And it would be nice to bring someone in who wouldn't necessarily need to blow up the entire offense.

 
It's the reason why I would be willing to gamble on McDaniels as the next HC for the Raiders. No need to reiterate why people don't like him, I get it and think it is narrow minded logic. If people want to go through life judging everyone exclusively by their worst performance that's up to them but I doubt it gets them far.

McDaniels has helped to scheme these offenses with Belichick for years now, I would hope that some of that would have rubbed off on him over the past decade. And it would be nice to bring someone in who wouldn't necessarily need to blow up the entire offense.
I'd be ok with McDaniels. But after the Indy fiasco I was under the impression he was going to stay in NE to take over for Belichick when he retires, but I could be totally wrong.

I'd take anyone from the Belichick tree not named Patricia at this point.

 
I'd be ok with McDaniels. But after the Indy fiasco I was under the impression he was going to stay in NE to take over for Belichick when he retires, but I could be totally wrong.

I'd take anyone from the Belichick tree not named Patricia at this point.
Agree on both.  But if Patricia sticks around New England for a few more years I think he should work his way back into the conversation.

 
I'd be ok with McDaniels. But after the Indy fiasco I was under the impression he was going to stay in NE to take over for Belichick when he retires, but I could be totally wrong.

I'd take anyone from the Belichick tree not named Patricia at this point.
McDaniels gives off a strong "no moral compass" vibe. He will do whatever is in his best interests without any other consideration. Throw money at him and he will jump. 

I am not interested in any of Belicheats coaches. I don't think he invests in his coaches and I think he is very much a control freak where he does most of the work. 

Not interested. 

 
Just watched the press conference with Coach B.  Was happy to (finally) see some frustration from him while taking the questions from the media about the KC game.  To be fair, he spoke of the loss and the problems in the game (as well as before).  But the reporters were a touch relentless, and he finally pushed the issue that 'the game is over, and we are onto this week' (Paraphrasing).  

Edited to add - he was asked about the players gathering on the logo.  He admitted he had already left the field when it happened, and that going forward he will do a better job at staying on the field longer going forward.   He has discussed it with specific players.  And I got the sense it won't be happening again. 

 
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I fully expect to get trashed for what I am about to say, but this thread needs something at least a little uplifting.

The Raiders have lost 5 of their last 6 games and last week was one of the worst losses in team history, but...................

If they win this week the playoffs are not out of the question.  I am not expecting them to make the playoffs and even if they did I have no belief they will make any noise.  I will still be rooting for them this week and hoping for a playoff berth.  After the last 20 years or so I think we deserve to at least see a playoff game with someone other than Connor Cook playing QB.

 
I fully expect to get trashed for what I am about to say, but this thread needs something at least a little uplifting.

The Raiders have lost 5 of their last 6 games and last week was one of the worst losses in team history, but...................

If they win this week the playoffs are not out of the question.  I am not expecting them to make the playoffs and even if they did I have no belief they will make any noise.  I will still be rooting for them this week and hoping for a playoff berth.  After the last 20 years or so I think we deserve to at least see a playoff game with someone other than Connor Cook playing QB.
fingers crossed  🤞

 
I fully expect to get trashed for what I am about to say, but this thread needs something at least a little uplifting.

The Raiders have lost 5 of their last 6 games and last week was one of the worst losses in team history, but...................

If they win this week the playoffs are not out of the question.  I am not expecting them to make the playoffs and even if they did I have no belief they will make any noise.  I will still be rooting for them this week and hoping for a playoff berth.  After the last 20 years or so I think we deserve to at least see a playoff game with someone other than Connor Cook playing QB.
Was making the playoffs ever in doubt?

For me the only question I have is which float I should reserve seating on for the Super Bowl victory parade in Vegas.

 
I gotta ask ..and I'm sorry if you feel that this has been covered...WTF is up with Carr? Please say something other than Ruggs. It seems he is adrift in a sea of apathy or mediocrity that he is no longer serviceable. Can that really be possible?

 
Going back to Mayock and looking for bright spots... 

Hobbs and Moehrig look like good starters with upside. Recently we have seen Deablo and Koonce get time and both have shown some good football from rookies. If Leatherwood develops into a good/decent RT then that is a heck of a draft class helping to recover from the 2020 busts. 

 
I gotta ask ..and I'm sorry if you feel that this has been covered...WTF is up with Carr? Please say something other than Ruggs. It seems he is adrift in a sea of apathy or mediocrity that he is no longer serviceable. Can that really be possible?
Ruggs is a big part of it, sorry that you don't want to hear it as an explanation. Losing Ruggs was losing a big part of this offense. The other part is his confidence, or lack of really, in the Oline. 

 
Ruggs is a big part of it, sorry that you don't want to hear it as an explanation. Losing Ruggs was losing a big part of this offense. The other part is his confidence, or lack of really, in the Oline. 
Not buying that. Sorry you don't want to hear that. Carr has made some kind of salad out of chicken $hiot his entire career. Until now. Maybe he does shrink when the light gets bright. Kinda like a shrinky dink. It seems odd he can do nothing without a wr who did not dominate the stats while playing. It's not like Ruggs was lighting it up. He may have opened up the lower levels of the route tree but if that all it take then God help you guys. I'm not convinced. the confidence thing I think I can side with. He looks cooked.

 
I gotta ask ..and I'm sorry if you feel that this has been covered...WTF is up with Carr? Please say something other than Ruggs. It seems he is adrift in a sea of apathy or mediocrity that he is no longer serviceable. Can that really be possible?
My problem with Carr this year has been his inconsistent approach.  With or without Ruggs from game to game or even half to half you don't know if you are getting the aggressive guy that makes things happen or the guy that is willing to take 3 yard completions on third and 8 and apathetically trot off the field for 4-5 straight possessions.

 
BoltNlava said:
Not buying that. Sorry you don't want to hear that. Carr has made some kind of salad out of chicken $hiot his entire career. Until now. Maybe he does shrink when the light gets bright. Kinda like a shrinky dink. It seems odd he can do nothing without a wr who did not dominate the stats while playing. It's not like Ruggs was lighting it up. He may have opened up the lower levels of the route tree but if that all it take then God help you guys. I'm not convinced. the confidence thing I think I can side with. He looks cooked.
You realize Waller has missed the last two games, right?

And his offensive coordinator is an average retread.

But Ruggs is a huge part of it.

 
chad....look away...

carr is a weird dude.  i have always doubted his fire.  his will to win at all costs.  i think his über christianity will never allow him to be a killer on the field.

he's not a dynamic player.  he's steady eddie.  sounds the same, win or lose.  he claims, in his odd measured voice, to be sick of the losing.  then he goes out and dinks and dunks his ### off in the first half.  then airs it out in a desperate gamble, in the 4th quarter, but the game is already lost.  

the presser after the chiefs game, is a perfect example.  made me want to puke.  he never says anything controversial.  IMHO, that was a missed opportunity to tell the team, that the stupid #### on the chiefs logo, was just that, stupid ####.  that presser tells me that he is not a leader in the locker room.

he does come across as a victim of circumstance. maybe rightfully so?  

i actually think he's a decent qb.  but he's timid/safe at all times, until it's too late.  the horse #### OL that gruden created for him, totally f'ed this season.  i said that before the season even started.  so maybe it's not his fault, but imho, he's not the answer.

/rant over.  maybe.

 
You realize Waller has missed the last two games, right?

And his offensive coordinator is an average retread.

But Ruggs is a huge part of it.
as a waller owner in the magic footballs, after week one, and its 20+ targets.  dude hasn't been a huge factor.  a factor, but not much of one.  mostly due to utilization 

it doesn't help that most of carrs throws are behind him.  he is rarely hit in stride.  i've been #####ing about it since the opener.

 
@DA RAIDERS

Kurt Warner and Reggie White are/were two uber Christians. The NFL is littered with CChristians. Obviously I will debate Carr ability but his faith... come on... that is just silly.

 
@DA RAIDERS

Kurt Warner and Reggie White are/were two uber Christians. The NFL is littered with CChristians. Obviously I will debate Carr ability but his faith... come on... that is just silly.
i'm not debating his faith.  i'm saying that his faith interferes with his ability to play(win at all costs) and lead a group of violent men, that don't share his beliefs(for the most part).  his faith is what tells me, he and ruggs weren't best buddies, like you seem to think they were.  i don't think carr is tight(off the field) with anyone that isn't a fellow bible thumper.  

it's just my opinion.  and as all ways, what the #### do i know?

warner was an anomaly.  reggie white is a bad man.  i see zero of either in carr.

 
as a waller owner in the magic footballs, after week one, and its 20+ targets.  dude hasn't been a huge factor.  a factor, but not much of one.  mostly due to utilization 

it doesn't help that most of carrs throws are behind him.  he is rarely hit in stride.  i've been #####ing about it since the opener.
I totally agree with your second statement but Waller is the best receiving threat on the team and it’s not close.  Great QBs can overcome losing Waller and Ruggs but Carr is not great.  He is good enough however and is not near the top of problems for the Raiders.  

I will never understand why Waller doesn’t receive 10 targets/game but that leads us to one of those bigger problems.  The OC stinks. 

 
i'm not debating his faith.  i'm saying that his faith interferes with his ability to play(win at all costs) and lead a group of violent men, that don't share his beliefs(for the most part).  his faith is what tells me, he and ruggs weren't best buddies, like you seem to think they were.  i don't think carr is tight(off the field) with anyone that isn't a fellow bible thumper.  

it's just my opinion.  and as all ways, what the #### do i know?

warner was an anomaly.  reggie white is a bad man.  i see zero of either in carr.
I just threw those guys out as the most readily available, most well know examples. 

Seriously... pro sports, as well as the NFL, is full of "Bible Thumpers" and it is a ridiculous position to say anyone of faith is somehow less of an athlete or competitor.

Some are more out spoken than others. I know a retired MLB player who is just as much as a "Bible thumper" as Carr who was a 12 year big league player who had all-star and silver slugger award recognition. He was very involved with numerous other players that shared his faith. 

When you see those guys kneeling after games or when someone is hurt... they are not inspecting the field. 

It is absolutely ridiculous to take this position. 

As for best buddies comment with Ruggs. I don’t know how exactly close they were but being he was texting Carr late at night for golfing tips tells me that they considered each other friends or at least that is better evidence to point to a conclusion than your religious bigotry. Other evidence would be how close this team is general and how they team visibly reacted to Carr being hurt in previous games. Further, being religious certainly does not mean you aren't friends with those thay are not. 

These comments expose a prejudice you have much more than it actually informs anyone else of any insight into Carr. It may explain some vitriol you and maybe others have towards Carr as he is more vocal about his faith than others. 

In the end, when he is in the pocket and defenders are bearing down on him as he goes through his progression... I promise you he is not thinking "what would Jesus do?" But maybe something closer to "time is running out, I need to get this ball out of here". 

 
BoltNlava said:
I gotta ask ..and I'm sorry if you feel that this has been covered...WTF is up with Carr? Please say something other than Ruggs. It seems he is adrift in a sea of apathy or mediocrity that he is no longer serviceable. Can that really be possible?


It isn't a single item, but a number of items piling on at the same time.  In no particular order:

  • The offensive line has been pretty brutal.  Some of the sacks and QB hits have come at the most inopportune times.
  • Play calling has been just dumb since Gruden left.  Olson is in over his head.  Actually it wasn't great when Gruden was there either, the redzone play calling has been nothing short of head scratching. 
  • The loss of Ruggs.  Not just one player, but the impacts to what the offence is able to do, or better stated as what the opposing defensive is forced to defend. 
  • Another season of not having a true #1 WR. 
  • Injuries to key players. 

 
i'm not debating his faith.  i'm saying that his faith interferes with his ability to play(win at all costs) and lead a group of violent men, that don't share his beliefs(for the most part).  his faith is what tells me, he and ruggs weren't best buddies, like you seem to think they were.  i don't think carr is tight(off the field) with anyone that isn't a fellow bible thumper.  

it's just my opinion.  and as all ways, what the #### do i know?

warner was an anomaly.  reggie white is a bad man.  i see zero of either in carr.
Ruggs did text Carr at 9 or 10 pm the night of the crash asking him for tips on his golf swing. They may not have been besties but they were clearly close.

 
I just threw those guys out as the most readily available, most well know examples. 

Seriously... pro sports, as well as the NFL, is full of "Bible Thumpers" and it is a ridiculous position to say anyone of faith is somehow less of an athlete or competitor.

Some are more out spoken than others. I know a retired MLB player who is just as much as a "Bible thumper" as Carr who was a 12 year big league player who had all-star and silver slugger award recognition. He was very involved with numerous other players that shared his faith. 

When you see those guys kneeling after games or when someone is hurt... they are not inspecting the field. 

It is absolutely ridiculous to take this position. 

As for best buddies comment with Ruggs. I don’t know how exactly close they were but being he was texting Carr late at night for golfing tips tells me that they considered each other friends or at least that is better evidence to point to a conclusion than your religious bigotry. Other evidence would be how close this team is general and how they team visibly reacted to Carr being hurt in previous games. Further, being religious certainly does not mean you aren't friends with those thay are not. 

These comments expose a prejudice you have much more than it actually informs anyone else of any insight into Carr. It may explain some vitriol you and maybe others have towards Carr as he is more vocal about his faith than others. 

In the end, when he is in the pocket and defenders are bearing down on him as he goes through his progression... I promise you he is not thinking "what would Jesus do?" But maybe something closer to "time is running out, I need to get this ball out of here". 
Meh. It’s just an opinion. I could be totally wrong. I don’t care one way or another.  I’m just trying to figure the dude out. 
 

@Chaka I’m aware of the text from ruggs.  But I’ve done the same sort of thing, when buzzed. Did it at the opener this year. Texted a girl I work with that goes to Vegas at least once a quarter, that I was in Vegas for the first time in 18 years. We’re not friends. Simply Coworkers. I’m assuming carr golfs a lot, hence the text. 

 
Meh. It’s just an opinion. I could be totally wrong. I don’t care one way or another.  I’m just trying to figure the dude out. 
 

@Chaka I’m aware of the text from ruggs.  But I’ve done the same sort of thing, when buzzed. Did it at the opener this year. Texted a girl I work with that goes to Vegas at least once a quarter, that I was in Vegas for the first time in 18 years. We’re not friends. Simply Coworkers. I’m assuming carr golfs a lot, hence the text. 
I doubt Ruggs was looking for a hook up.

You're reaching.  

 
The Browns added eight players to COVID-19 reserve lists on Tuesday for a total of more than a dozen since then. The new players are receiver Jarvis Landry, tight end Austin Hooper, guard Wyatt Teller, left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr., guard Drew Forbes, defensive end Takk McKinley, and two practice squad players in receiver JoJo Natson and tight end Ross Travis.

On Wednesday, they added Mayfield, Stefanski, cornerback Troy Hill (who had already been effectively ruled out with a knee injury), John Johnson III, Malik McDowell and Ifeadi Odenigbo.

The Browns already had three active players on the list in tight end David Njoku, punter Jamie Gillan and linebacker Anthony Walker Jr.

 
ICON211 said:
I fully expect to get trashed for what I am about to say, but this thread needs something at least a little uplifting.

The Raiders have lost 5 of their last 6 games and last week was one of the worst losses in team history, but...................

If they win this week the playoffs are not out of the question.  I am not expecting them to make the playoffs and even if they did I have no belief they will make any noise.  I will still be rooting for them this week and hoping for a playoff berth.  After the last 20 years or so I think we deserve to at least see a playoff game with someone other than Connor Cook playing QB.
The Raiders have endured a few gut punches off the field for sure too. But I think their biggest issue related to wins & losses has been the Waller injury. The sooner they can get him back, the sooner they can win again. And he's still not practicing. 

 
What are the thoughts on Doug Pederson for HC? He won a SB and was the Philly decline really his fault? 
I have zero interest in him.  I think next to Barry Switzer he may be the luckiest coach to ever win a super bowl.  I can recall on several occasions while watching an Eagles game I had the thought "how did this guy ever win a super bowl?"  He makes some maddeningly bad in game decisions and I've never been impressed with him.  IMO he's just a completely average to maybe below average coach that had an incredibly lucky, magical post season run.

On another note the "Philly Special" was a play they stole from the Bears who ran it earlier that season on a two point conversion.

 
I have zero interest in him.  I think next to Barry Switzer he may be the luckiest coach to ever win a super bowl.  I can recall on several occasions while watching an Eagles game I had the thought "how did this guy ever win a super bowl?"  He makes some maddeningly bad in game decisions and I've never been impressed with him.  IMO he's just a completely average to maybe below average coach that had an incredibly lucky, magical post season run.

On another note the "Philly Special" was a play they stole from the Bears who ran it earlier that season on a two point conversion.
I can't say one way or another but I don't remember that Philly team to be overly talented and they won with Foles. I mean... Foles for crying out loud!

 
I can't say one way or another but I don't remember that Philly team to be overly talented and they won with Foles. I mean... Foles for crying out loud!
He's Matt Nagy with a title.  He won a title and no one can take that away, but his overall body of work there was not impressive.  I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like anyone has been beating down his door trying to get him to coach their team.  Hard, hard pass for me.  

 
neither was i!   :lmao:   just pointing out that texting someone who is well versed in something that you're doing in the moment, does not equal besties for life.
And I very clearly stated that it doesn't mean they're besties. But spare me that they weren't friends or close nonsense. That's clearly not the case and I am surprised you keep pursuing it.

 
Tampa Bay OC Byron Leftwich is being talked about as a HC candidate. If Mike Tomlin somehow gets free, I'd love to see him here.

 
Tampa Bay OC Byron Leftwich is being talked about as a HC candidate. If Mike Tomlin somehow gets free, I'd love to see him here.
I have some level of interest in both Tampa coordinators and I am a big fan of Tomlin.  I can't see Tomlin leaving Pitt though.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
Urban Meyer’s available.  🤣🤣🤣
He's the reason the Dabo Sweeney rumors scare the cr@p outta me. I know Dabo isn't Urban, but the NFL is a completely different animal than the college game. If you can't leave your ego at the door, be willing to change and treat players like adults you won't succeed at the next level. 

 
He's the reason the Dabo Sweeney rumors scare the cr@p outta me. I know Dabo isn't Urban, but the NFL is a completely different animal than the college game. If you can't leave your ego at the door, be willing to change and treat players like adults you won't succeed at the next level. 
Dabo wouldn't do well with pros I don't think. He already hates the transfer portal at the college level and outside of Jack Easterby I don't think any team would allow his on-field baptisms. Pro players wouldn't go for his shtick. 

 
Tomlin has my absolute and complete respect. I would kill most of you on the board here to get him as HC. 

Yea, I said what I said. 

 

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