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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (2 Viewers)
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Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Great way to send Madden off
enjoy!
enjoy!
Chadstroma
Footballguy
A good win against a very good Colt team. This feels good.
Finish up against the Dolts next week. We win, we are in.
Finish up against the Dolts next week. We win, we are in.
ZADO
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Let's see...
A win against a very good Colt team that was motivated to win today. We got one break (Carson over throwing a wide open Hilton) and one bad one (how that ball just dropped in Hilton's hands after he stopped to watch the play when two of our defenders were going for the INT was just silly... one of those things that again had me questioning if we were cursed). Nice to come out of there with a win for Madden, place us currently in the playoffs and still having our own destiny in our control.
A 3 game win streak and negative nancy's might say the Browns win was from a depleted team and the Donkey win was against a crappy team... which I agree with... but you can't poo on this win. All without our best offensive player too.
The offensive play calling was mostly well done today I think. I am not a fan of the Jones sweep play call. I don't know why they keep going to that... hopefully it is to try to set up something else later? Because it has been ineffective every time and is an odd choice for Jones to run. I could understand it when Ruggs was X but it isn't a good play at all for Jones at X.
The defense under Bradley mostly does it's job. I do wish we could generate more turnovers. We have the lowest INT's in the league (only 5). We are middle of the pack for FF.
Zay Jones seems to be settling in with more playing time. He made some plays today and was consistent. Once Jacobs got hurt- he and Renfrow were the offense. He can be a weapon but please stop using him on sweeps. I am not a fan of him on go routes either. In or out, shallow post, etc those type of routes seem to be where he excels.
Renfrow, there was a discussion earlier this year or maybe off season about him and how good he was. I forgot who was arguing that he was nothing special. Whoever was... please see your way out. Thanks in advance. He is clearly one of the best Y receivers in the NFL right now. Beyond somehow both looking like a kid and a 40 year old at the same time and perhaps the least likely player in the entire NFL that you would spot on the street and think "that guy plays in the NFL", he is one of the better route runners in the league, one of the better set of hands in the league and better athleticism than you would think.
Deablo is really coming on. 9 tackles today and I did not spot any mistakes from him.
Teamer coming in and playing solid in place of Abram.
I was really worried about the defense today with Hankins out and going against Taylor. Philon lead a good effort by the DT's though. Taylor got his yards but he didn't carry the game.
That pass interference call against Hobbs was total BS. It really seemed like one of those refs trying to change the game against the Raiders type of calls.
I like the extra use of Mariota today. Not only was it effective but it really layers in extra looks that defenses will have to prep for moving ahead. Regardless of how much we use him in the future... even if he doesn't play a single snap... it will help the team moving ahead as it will burn prep time from the opposing defenses as they will have to spend time on trying to defend against it.
Hopefully Waller is healthy going into the Charger game. Though Moreau hasn't been as effective, I still would like to see more two TE sets when Waller comes back. I think it will actually helps Waller and again add another layer to the offense to help open things up.
Jacobs injury is worrisome. The offense is clearly better when he is playing and healthy. When he is out or playing but clearly not 100%, it places a lot more burden on the offense. The keys to the offense going into the season were Ruggs speed to spread the offense and make deep threats open up, Waller killing teams under neath that and drawing attention from all else and Jacobs being effective in the running game. We lost Ruggs and DJax just isn't that same kind of threat at this stage in his career. We have been running without Waller for a few games now because of injury and Jacobs has been banged up all season pretty much.
A win against a very good Colt team that was motivated to win today. We got one break (Carson over throwing a wide open Hilton) and one bad one (how that ball just dropped in Hilton's hands after he stopped to watch the play when two of our defenders were going for the INT was just silly... one of those things that again had me questioning if we were cursed). Nice to come out of there with a win for Madden, place us currently in the playoffs and still having our own destiny in our control.
A 3 game win streak and negative nancy's might say the Browns win was from a depleted team and the Donkey win was against a crappy team... which I agree with... but you can't poo on this win. All without our best offensive player too.
The offensive play calling was mostly well done today I think. I am not a fan of the Jones sweep play call. I don't know why they keep going to that... hopefully it is to try to set up something else later? Because it has been ineffective every time and is an odd choice for Jones to run. I could understand it when Ruggs was X but it isn't a good play at all for Jones at X.
The defense under Bradley mostly does it's job. I do wish we could generate more turnovers. We have the lowest INT's in the league (only 5). We are middle of the pack for FF.
Zay Jones seems to be settling in with more playing time. He made some plays today and was consistent. Once Jacobs got hurt- he and Renfrow were the offense. He can be a weapon but please stop using him on sweeps. I am not a fan of him on go routes either. In or out, shallow post, etc those type of routes seem to be where he excels.
Renfrow, there was a discussion earlier this year or maybe off season about him and how good he was. I forgot who was arguing that he was nothing special. Whoever was... please see your way out. Thanks in advance. He is clearly one of the best Y receivers in the NFL right now. Beyond somehow both looking like a kid and a 40 year old at the same time and perhaps the least likely player in the entire NFL that you would spot on the street and think "that guy plays in the NFL", he is one of the better route runners in the league, one of the better set of hands in the league and better athleticism than you would think.
Deablo is really coming on. 9 tackles today and I did not spot any mistakes from him.
Teamer coming in and playing solid in place of Abram.
I was really worried about the defense today with Hankins out and going against Taylor. Philon lead a good effort by the DT's though. Taylor got his yards but he didn't carry the game.
That pass interference call against Hobbs was total BS. It really seemed like one of those refs trying to change the game against the Raiders type of calls.
I like the extra use of Mariota today. Not only was it effective but it really layers in extra looks that defenses will have to prep for moving ahead. Regardless of how much we use him in the future... even if he doesn't play a single snap... it will help the team moving ahead as it will burn prep time from the opposing defenses as they will have to spend time on trying to defend against it.
Hopefully Waller is healthy going into the Charger game. Though Moreau hasn't been as effective, I still would like to see more two TE sets when Waller comes back. I think it will actually helps Waller and again add another layer to the offense to help open things up.
Jacobs injury is worrisome. The offense is clearly better when he is playing and healthy. When he is out or playing but clearly not 100%, it places a lot more burden on the offense. The keys to the offense going into the season were Ruggs speed to spread the offense and make deep threats open up, Waller killing teams under neath that and drawing attention from all else and Jacobs being effective in the running game. We lost Ruggs and DJax just isn't that same kind of threat at this stage in his career. We have been running without Waller for a few games now because of injury and Jacobs has been banged up all season pretty much.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
That will be his last NFL moment.
The Bucs, because Brady pushed for it and you don't say no to your golden ticket, were the last chance call for him. No one will risk him again.
He clearly has major mental health issues. It was clear with his chaotic short time with us and the numerous off field instances that have piled up. Sad.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
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Oh and one huge miss from me on what I wanted with this team in recent years with Carlson.... there was an off season, I believe after his first season, I wanted to move on from him as he missed some important kicks. Dude has been ice cold vein clutch for us. I love that Mayock extended both him and Cole hedging against Bisaccia leaving and poaching them.
joey
Footballguy
I wasn’t the one poopoo-ing Renfrow but was one wondering why Renfrow couldn’t put up similar numbers to Beasley last year if he was only made a focus in the passing game. I guess my wish came true in a very round about way, but Renfrow is freakin' nails. Love the guy.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed. And that was a bad take by @DocHolliday . This isn't a team of destiny that will somehow gel and run the table but to come away with 9 wins and be in charge of their own playoff destiny in week 17 is something that no one could reasonably expect after the turmoil they suffered is nothing short of amazing.
It also demonstrates that all the talk of a depleted roster, devoid of talent is a gross exaggeration propagated by Chicken Littles.
Sincerely, I am not trying to throw shade but win, lose or draw next week the sky is not falling in Las Vegas.
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DocHolliday
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I get it. It was a huge win today and I am truly impressed. Before all the chests puff out too much, the Raiders are still not a SB caliber team. They are lacking in talent. Having a winning record is nice. Winning Super Bowls is all that matters.
LawFitz
Footballguy
And yet they are in if they win next week. I'd love to see them make a run for Carr, Coach B and Co. Ya never know.
Chaka
Footballguy
And I very clearly pointed out this is not a SB team. But calls to blow up the roster or tank for better draft position were pure hyperbolic nonsense. Moving the goalposts from that position to one where being in control of their own destiny in week 18 is a bad outcome because they won't win the SB doesn't change the fact that the original position was way off base (and so is the new one).
Again, I sincerely am not trying to diminish or get over on you. But you have been Chicken Littleing in here all season and maybe it's time acknowledge that things are not nearly as bad as you have been making it out to be.
Losing their HC, losing their #1 WR and best deep threat in the game to horrific tragedy and still being in control in week 18 shows their arrow is pointing up, not a team on need of a complete reboot.
Just saying
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I was shocked as well. I missed the game. I was skiing. When I saw the score, I said, holy ####! The raiders won! My nephew said, aren’t you a raider fan?
I had to explain my surprise.
I had to explain my surprise.
I have to commend this team, just for getting into this position. I've been very critical of this organization for its highly questionable draft picks, but here they are, win and they are in.
For every Arnette or Ferrell, there's a Hobbs and Perryman playing their hearts out.
Instead of Carr throwing to Waller, Ruggs and Edward's, the passing game is now revolving around Renfrow, Zay and Moreau. This team has quality depth players, we're seeing it right before our eyes.
For every Arnette or Ferrell, there's a Hobbs and Perryman playing their hearts out.
Instead of Carr throwing to Waller, Ruggs and Edward's, the passing game is now revolving around Renfrow, Zay and Moreau. This team has quality depth players, we're seeing it right before our eyes.
joey
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ZADO
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6. Indianapolis Colts (9-7), second place, AFC South. The Colts failed to clinch a wild-card spot behind the winning Titans as they lost to the Raiders at home in Week 17. That cost them two spots, falling from No. 5 ahead of the Patriots to behind them. The Colts still need one more win in Week 18 at the Jaguars or another Ravens' loss vs. the Steelers to earn a wild-card spot. Their playoff chances remain strong despite the defeat. Remaining schedule: at JAX
7. Los Angeles Chargers (9-7), second place, AFC West. The Chargers got back into playoff position with their home win over the Broncos, rebounding from the bad upset loss to the Texans. They get the last spot for now over the Raiders ahead of playing them again in Las Vegas because they beat them at home in Week 4. The winner of the rematch will be in the playoffs at 10-7. Remaining schedule: at LV
Who can get there?
8. Las Vegas Raiders (9-7)
9. Baltimore Ravens (8-8)
10. Pittsburgh Steelers (7-7-1)
7. Los Angeles Chargers (9-7), second place, AFC West. The Chargers got back into playoff position with their home win over the Broncos, rebounding from the bad upset loss to the Texans. They get the last spot for now over the Raiders ahead of playing them again in Las Vegas because they beat them at home in Week 4. The winner of the rematch will be in the playoffs at 10-7. Remaining schedule: at LV
Who can get there?
8. Las Vegas Raiders (9-7)
9. Baltimore Ravens (8-8)
10. Pittsburgh Steelers (7-7-1)
kaso
Footballguy
For the record, I'm officially done: D-U-N. with the DeSean Jackson experiment.
The Interception was more on Carr, and a very good play by the Colts DB. But there was no effort, or ability, shown by Jackson to fight for the ball in the air. The near interception on the play where Carr extends the play by scrambling out to this right showed Jackson with his feet in cement blocks just waiting for the ball.
And for the hell of it, I'm blaming Jackson for the Leonard interception as well. I don't know if Jackson was even on the field for the play. Don't care. His fault.
The Interception was more on Carr, and a very good play by the Colts DB. But there was no effort, or ability, shown by Jackson to fight for the ball in the air. The near interception on the play where Carr extends the play by scrambling out to this right showed Jackson with his feet in cement blocks just waiting for the ball.
And for the hell of it, I'm blaming Jackson for the Leonard interception as well. I don't know if Jackson was even on the field for the play. Don't care. His fault.
Chaka
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Losing Gruden was a positive move for the Raiders. Davis and all of us should still be celebrating that Gruden is no longer steering the ship past the correct draft picks. Losing Ruggs was a big loss but Lamb was the correct draft pick anyway. Tough to feel sorry for the team when they made the dumb decision that came back to bite them.And I very clearly pointed out this is not a SB team. But calls to blow up the roster or tank for better draft position were pure hyperbolic nonsense. Moving the goalposts from that position to one where being in control of their own destiny in week 18 is a bad outcome because they won't win the SB doesn't change the fact that the original position was way off base (and so is the new one).
Again, I sincerely am not trying to diminish or get over on you. But you have been Chicken Littleing in here all season and maybe it's time acknowledge that things are not nearly as bad as you have been making it out to be.
Losing their HC, losing their #1 WR and best deep threat in the game to horrific tragedy and still being in control in week 18 shows their arrow is pointing up, not a team on need of a complete reboot.
Just saying
I like Carr. I hope he stays and the new GM and staff continue to build a team around him. I like Waller but move him out now while he has great value. He has a couple of good years left at best. The injuries may continue to pike up at this stage of his career. Draft a OT and true WR1 and then continue to draft to improve the defense.
It would be great to see the Raiders in the playoffs again but I'm sorry that I’m not overly excited for possibly squeaking into the playoffs. It’s a step in the right direction but I can’t help but think about what could have been had the Raiders drafted logically over the last few years.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
So what's the game plan for the off-season?
My take. Retool.
Keep Carr....unless you're getting Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady. You could do worse than Carr.
New coaching staff. Go after Daboll and get new DC. Bradley has done well with the defense, but he shows no creativity or being able to adapt. Good QBs like Mahomes can always beat the scheme.
Keep Mayock. There's been enough draft gems, smart contracts, and calculated moves that have turned out to see if Gruden was messing things up
We have tons of cap space and draft picks. Need help everywhere but WR needs to be priority. I feel if we still had Diggs our offense was about you explode since Carr was finally taking deep shots.
We're not a Super Bowl team yet, but we have a QB who's good enough, a solid O-line, and pass rush. Those 3 things are the foundation you need and the hardest to find.
My take. Retool.
Keep Carr....unless you're getting Rodgers, Wilson, or Brady. You could do worse than Carr.
New coaching staff. Go after Daboll and get new DC. Bradley has done well with the defense, but he shows no creativity or being able to adapt. Good QBs like Mahomes can always beat the scheme.
Keep Mayock. There's been enough draft gems, smart contracts, and calculated moves that have turned out to see if Gruden was messing things up
We have tons of cap space and draft picks. Need help everywhere but WR needs to be priority. I feel if we still had Diggs our offense was about you explode since Carr was finally taking deep shots.
We're not a Super Bowl team yet, but we have a QB who's good enough, a solid O-line, and pass rush. Those 3 things are the foundation you need and the hardest to find.
Excellent post, might I add they need to draft more DBs. Corners, safeties, slot corners, you name it. They need DB depth to stay competitive in the AFC West. If they can find their Patrick Surtain II and put him next to Mullen, it would make all the difference in the world. Hayward has played great but he's on the back 9 of his career.
kaso
Footballguy
Coach B just said the Raiders are looking into the situation regarding Nate Hobbs, but have no details at the time of his press conference. He stated he only came to know of the situation about 30 minutes prior.
Edited to add: TMZ article has the quote from the press conference.
Doesn't sound great based on the detail in the article. Angers me to see it, especially given the very recent terrible mistake that Ruggs made.
Edited to add: TMZ article has the quote from the press conference.
Doesn't sound great based on the detail in the article. Angers me to see it, especially given the very recent terrible mistake that Ruggs made.
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Unreal. Do the team / league not have the proper people drilling it into these guys heads that you just can't take any risks when it comes to these type of things and letting them know what options are available? Or is just dumb kids with "it's not gonna happen to me" attitudes?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
How the hell do you even get close to smelling a drink and touching car keys in the same day after you saw a teammate throw his career away and looking at a long prison sentence after killing a woman?! Absolutely mind blowing.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Kind of funny about this... the DC who has pretty much had the most success against Mahomes and was copied to cause the offensive suckiness of KC early in the year was Bradley.Charlie Harper said:
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I could not agree with you more! Are these kids really this stupid?!
Just in his locker room, Hobbs has the positive stories of Maxx and Waller. He also has the horrible nightmare of Ruggs downfall as the perfect reminder of what not to dom. Just unreal.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/2020_Policy_and_Program_on_Substances_of_Abuse.pdf
"2.2 Violations of Law Involving Alcohol The Commissioner will review and may impose a fine, suspension, or other appropriate discipline if a Player is convicted of or admits to a violation of the law (including within the context of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement including but not limited to nolo contendere) relating to the use of alcohol. Absent aggravating circumstances, discipline for a first offense will be a suspension without pay for three (3) regular or postseason games. If the Commissioner finds that there were aggravating circumstances, including but not limited to felonious conduct, extreme intoxication (BAC of .15% or more), property damage or serious injury or death to the Player or a third party, and/or if the Player has 16 (2020) had prior drug or alcohol-related misconduct, increased discipline may be imposed. Discipline for a second or subsequent offense, absent aggravating circumstances, will be a suspension without pay for eight (8) regular and/or postseason games as determined by the Commissioner."
Regarding this weekend, absent team discipline, Hobbs should be available, and available through any post season games as he doesn't have a court date for several months. He has been arrested for misdemeanor DUI, he has not been charged by the DA with a criminal complaint yet. There is no report that blood was drawn or a breathalyzer was taken.
No matter what the final outcome, given the Ruggs incident it's disgusting, stupid behavior, and a needless distraction. On the cusp of the biggest game in years and this yahoo is out at 4:00 a.m. in the morning partying it up by himself, with no driver, too stupid to get a cab or Uber. I can't fathom that level of cluelessness. Hell he could of been mugged like Javon Walker or killed. Just unbelievable.
"2.2 Violations of Law Involving Alcohol The Commissioner will review and may impose a fine, suspension, or other appropriate discipline if a Player is convicted of or admits to a violation of the law (including within the context of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement including but not limited to nolo contendere) relating to the use of alcohol. Absent aggravating circumstances, discipline for a first offense will be a suspension without pay for three (3) regular or postseason games. If the Commissioner finds that there were aggravating circumstances, including but not limited to felonious conduct, extreme intoxication (BAC of .15% or more), property damage or serious injury or death to the Player or a third party, and/or if the Player has 16 (2020) had prior drug or alcohol-related misconduct, increased discipline may be imposed. Discipline for a second or subsequent offense, absent aggravating circumstances, will be a suspension without pay for eight (8) regular and/or postseason games as determined by the Commissioner."
Regarding this weekend, absent team discipline, Hobbs should be available, and available through any post season games as he doesn't have a court date for several months. He has been arrested for misdemeanor DUI, he has not been charged by the DA with a criminal complaint yet. There is no report that blood was drawn or a breathalyzer was taken.
No matter what the final outcome, given the Ruggs incident it's disgusting, stupid behavior, and a needless distraction. On the cusp of the biggest game in years and this yahoo is out at 4:00 a.m. in the morning partying it up by himself, with no driver, too stupid to get a cab or Uber. I can't fathom that level of cluelessness. Hell he could of been mugged like Javon Walker or killed. Just unbelievable.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Can the team just pay ahead for all Uber sessions or would that violate CBA?
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SDJohnny
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Nope. Dude was developing. Far from the best deep threat in the game.Chaka said:
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
y'all a buncha old white dudes. I’m one too!
however, I remember being a stupid kid. I can only imagine the trouble I would have gotten into with a few 100G. Let alone a few mil.
You’re fooling yourselves if you think these kids are a bunch of responsible adults.
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
What happened the 2nd game? We've seen this story before when he was with the Chargers.
Chaka
Footballguy
Far??? Not by a long shot.
Deebo, JaMarr...who else? Lockett? Sure, he's in the conversation I guess. No. Ruggs was legit (arguably) the best deep threat in the game.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
His 19.5 yards per reception is the best in the NFL this year.
In only playing 7 games for the year he has half many (4) 40+ as the current leaders (8) multiple tied. Projected over the season he would have the most 40+ receptions on the league. If you project the 20+ plays he would be tied for third most.
His presence clearly made a difference to the offense as a whole and he was obviously becoming an individual threat.
His speed was unquestioned. Before the accident he was showing the ability to be male plays like a #1.
Some who hated his pick and were always vocal about it refuse to acknowledge anything more than him being a decoy because his selection was their favorite proof of negative commentary on Gruden.
Though I think the early stages of the careers of Lamb and Jefferson show them to be superior receivers to Ruggs (which is somewhat funny as Jefferson was never in the discussion, it was always Jeudy or Lamb as 1A and 1B then Ruggs and the the second tier lead by Jefferson etc) I would argue that Ruggs brought more to the entire offense than Lamb or Jefferson bring to theirs.
We will never know rhe projectory of what his career could have been but to say that Ruggs did not earn the right to be talked about as one of the best deep threats in the league early this season is utmost silliness. The stats show otherwise and anyone really watching the games without an agenda would agree with the stats.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
The sample size is too small. Using chads logic, dj chark is a better deep threat, 22.5 avg, than all of those mentioned. But again, the sample size is too small to really judge. Lockett is a true deep threat, and he’s damn good at it.
ruggs was definitely developing into a good deep threat. But for ME, I just don’t think he was one the best in the game. Yet.
Is rashad penny one of the best in the game? He really helped me win my magic football league.
All true, but nobody has mentioned he was making some tough catches too. He was no James Jett clone, he was rounding into a very good WR. Such a shame we will never get to see it.
joey
Footballguy
I know I started this with my joke about hyperbole, but I just wanted to say that Ruggs looked SUPER promising and was actually delivering before the accident. and I totally agree he proved that he had hands as well. Pour one out for what might have been…
DocHolliday
Footballguy
You are hilarious. Dallas and Minny were not sorry that they ended up with Lamb and Jefferson instead of Ruggs on draft day and were thrilled even more as last season unfolded. They have to be really happy with their decision this season too, even before Ruggs was busy killing people. Now the decision looks so bad for the Raiders that we really should try to forget him rather than defend the draft pick every day. Sadly, Ruggs was not even close to being the worst draft pick in the last 3 years.
Next we are going to hear that Cincy would rather have Ruggs over Chase because Ruggs would really open up the O for Boyd and Higgins.
Here is a different perspective which shows just how little we expect from the Raiders. If the Raiders sneak into the playoffs, many fans are going to be ecstatic. Steeler fans are used to winning and consider the season a failure even if they sneak into the playoffs. Some fans are even calling for the removal of Tomlin.
While I agree with you about the playoff expectations, you have to look at it from the players' points of view. The fact that through all the BS, chaos, tragedy and all the other obstacles they had to overcome, they are at the doorstep of the playoffs. I for one am completely shocked they are here. Says a lot about the chemistry in the locker room. Without a HC, the players are at least taking ownership. For that I give them credit.
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