Bigboy10182000
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Could you imagine what the fan reaction would be if we lost a game where the other team rushed the ball 45 times and passed just 3?!
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DJackson10
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His dad literally complained about his playing time. Then he went to OU because Riley guaranteed him the starting job despite the fact they had Rattler they guaranteed it too and Hurts took the job instead. It's why some OU fans weren't pleased with Hurts and his family. I actually went on a few OU message boards and their reddit to get what the actual story was. A few of the assistant coaches weren't too pleased about Hurts being given the job by Riley either. in fact just got word when Riley left that a few of those coaches were relieved they didn't have to work with Riley anymore because they felt he's an absolute snake.
Now I'm not saying that's personally on Hurts but his dad has been an issue. There were rumors Hurts wouldn't have gone to OU had Riley not guaranteed Jalen's dad his son the job. Riley isn't the guy the media portrays him as.
DJackson10
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DJackson10
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Obviously I would think those fans wouldn't know actual football. I hate NE but Bill had a great game plan last night. Mac Jones doesn't have the arm Allen has to battle some of that wind and Allen's receivers didn't do him any favors with the drops. But Peyton and Eli were speculating the wind may have helped in that. Buff could've won that game last night which I think is more frustrating for them then losing that way.
I wish more coaches game planned to what the weather is because a lot try to outsmart themselves. I remember the snow game Vs Det and one of the good things Kelly did was he listened to his offensive players. Schmur changed the game plan on the fly to allow some double moves and misdirection that helped the offense and had DET D at a disadvantage in those conditions.
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need2know
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Nope. You got proof bud? Cause I'm gonna call you out. Hurts ain't perfect. he or his daddy didn't do any of the above
And Riley didn't have to gaurantee him anything. They are a college qb factory. Hurts went there and won that job
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Bigboy10182000
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This details it pretty well and I think it’s safe to say that Hurts would not have gone to Oklahoma if he wasn’t gonna be the starting QB.
Saying he’s a quitter who wanted to play and left to be a starter and not compete is a fair statement and it seems to have worked out for everyone.
*ETA*
I do NOT think this makes Hurts a “quitter” today either. I definitely don’t think it’s fair to hold things like this against them when they were kids at the time.
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need2know
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Not saying Hurts is a quitter but it seems his dad pushed for other things. If it weren't for Dad I'm thinking Hurts stayed at Bama
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I only know what his dad was quoted as saying and all signs point one way
. Chances are I’d do and say the same for my son as well. None of it should be held against him today as well
Pip's Invitation
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This discussion again? Gonna be a long bye week...
DJackson10
Footballguy
Fixed that last part for ya. in the bold. They were known since the college transfer portal of taking in many College FA Transfers. Nothing wrong with taking in transfers especially to fill in depth. But take in too many high profile FA Transfers and the guys currently committed might take this the wrong way like you don't think they are good enough.
Wouldn't call OU a QB factory at all. Their conference defensively is absolutely atrocious. Its backyard arena football and you got teams playing the weird 5-2-5 defenses. Kyle Murray is the Best QB to come out of there in Years. Baker Mayfield is an avg at best QB. Sam Bradford was before that really avg QB was never worth the hype and quite frankly had a fragile attitude and fragile body. Landry Jones in that time frame made a decent back up QB. Jason White Never competed in the NFL. They've had a few QBs turn coach. You got to go back to the 80s where Troy Aikman was there for 1 yrs before transferring to UCLA. Not sure where this QB factory comes from at OU. Outside of Murray no-one has done anything special. Hurts? Most would say the jury is still out on him. I definitely agree with the Teddy Bridgewater comparison as possible his floor though.
There was also an unconfirmed rumor that Hurts father had some interest in the Indian Casino near campus and pushed hurts to there, but like @Bigboy10182000 posted his dad made a lot of comments pressuring Saban with the typical father "you start my kid or else." BS you see in numerious sports of fathers trying to live through their kids.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I only know what his dad was quoted as saying and all signs point one way
None of it should be held against him today as well
Guarantee you though if Hurts ends up in a similar situation and Eagles take a QB in the draft If Hurts isn't traded dad will start chirping how his son should be playing. He's quiet now because his son is getting exactly what Mr Hurts wants but guarantee the minute theres doubt dad will start chirping if someone puts a microphone in front of him to talk. Dad just seems like that type from everything I've gotten.
You are right if Hurts wasn't guaranteed the starter job in OU he probably goes elsewhere. Some thought he might follow the one guy (forget who it was) to U Miami.
I know Need is a big Tide fan so he's gonna have a strong opinion either way on his guys though. I like Hurts as a person Just don't think he's a franchise QB. Think he's gonna have a nice career in the league but I think he's a back up Bridge Starter at best. My initial post that started this was tongue in cheek type.
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Insein
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I for one feel Minshew will lead us to the super bowl this year.
That should hold us over for another 10 days.
babydemon90
Footballguy
look, we get it, DJax10 is sour#### on Hurts and lovesick and sad over Wentz. We know it, its exhausting to keep rehashing it.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Last years Heisman Trophy Winner Devante Smith will be in NYC this weekend for the award ceremony with the Eagles on a bye. I'm wondering if this is one of the reasons we got such a late bye but I also don't remember how many other winners their rookie NFL year attended the ceremony the next.
DJackson10
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In case you didn't see my last comment I did state my initial comment that got this going was more tongue in cheek Its also pretty well known Hurts father threw the general Dad response many parents give their kids coaches "Let them play or else." threat snd when his son didn't win the job his son Transfered the following year. Hey Hurts did what he had to for his career but his dad was a complete unprofessional. As someone who coaches himself he should handle those situations better. I think a lot of Hurts fans want to forget that part. It doesn't say anything Negative on Jalen as it does his father but it seems like talking about it makes people feel it's a negative on Hurts
Hopefully his dad learned from the mistake because next time a parent pulls that on him coaching he better think twice what he does and says next to not look like a hypocrite.
You have a long history of bashing Jalen (not his dad) for running away from Alabama, but you seem to have changed your tune now to saying it was all his dad and Jalen wasn't at all at fault. Odd.
You're already waist-deep in irrational Hurts hate, no reason to stop now.
Unless he’s a Dallas Cowboy now and played for Penn State, and you are Djackson10
. That would make him overrated and a bad player despite the fact that Micah is the DROY. 
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jasvic
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I don't follow college football, and have been trying not to follow this nonsense here, but jfc...
The main purpose of college football for these players is to get to the NFL, be drafted high, and make big bucks. Only one QB can play at a time. So if I'm a college QB with NFL talent, and there's even a hint of me losing my job at my current school vs going to a different one and guaranteed starting, guess what, I'm transferring my ### ASAP because it's about my future. And I wouldn't give a crap if some dudes on a message board called me a quitter, I'd be doing what's best for myself and my future, which I think about 100% of you would do the same.
So cut the kid some slack. Also, predicting someone will succeed or fail doesn't earn you anything. Just try and enjoy the games, man.
The main purpose of college football for these players is to get to the NFL, be drafted high, and make big bucks. Only one QB can play at a time. So if I'm a college QB with NFL talent, and there's even a hint of me losing my job at my current school vs going to a different one and guaranteed starting, guess what, I'm transferring my ### ASAP because it's about my future. And I wouldn't give a crap if some dudes on a message board called me a quitter, I'd be doing what's best for myself and my future, which I think about 100% of you would do the same.
So cut the kid some slack. Also, predicting someone will succeed or fail doesn't earn you anything. Just try and enjoy the games, man.
Tom Hagen
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I would really like to see what he is like behind the scenes too. This is definitely an old guy yells at cloud opinion but I hate Minshew's shtick. To me it seems over the top and put on for the media.
Now get off my lawn.
BINGO! Well said....
The casual fan calling a professional athlete a “quitter” because they worked whatever they had to to make it at this level is asinine and just a frustrated couch coach. Seriously, do these people have any idea the percentage of kids make it to the pro level? I applaud Hurts, his daddy, his momma, and every friend in his neighborhood for doing what it took to get this kid on the big stage. Quitter....smh
ETA: I looked it up-
There are 1,093,234 high school football players in the United States, and 6.5% of those high school players (or 71,060) will play for the NCAA in college. The drop-off from college to the professional level is more dramatic: only 1.6% of college-level players will get drafted into the NFL.Sep 28, 2021
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jasvic
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Oooh, that's where I draw the line. Manipulating the draft to pick where you go is crappy to me (assuming you're referring to Eli forcing his way out of SD). It goes against the whole point of the draft order and helping the bad teams get better.
Quakertown Tom
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I don't know anyone's history, but there does seem to be some hypocrisy here when it comes to Wentz losing his starting job and wanting to go elsewhere (whiny baby who didn't get his way) and Hurts losing his starting job and wanting to go elsewhere (fierce competitor who wanted to be the starter somewhere).
And there's no Hurts hate on my end. I hope he becomes a Steve Young.
JetMaxx
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I can think of 128 million reasons why I expected Wentz to fight through adversity instead of whining his was out of town.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
BINGO.
There is absolutely a comparison to what they both did. Being unable to understand one without the other pretty much outs which camp their in, in my opinion.
This exact post applies to both Hurts in college and Wentz a few years later in the pros.
And one of them was rich af and the other had very little money and was trying to earn a living.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah I like to call out the hypocrisy. I've had friends who have defended Simmons and then call Wentz a quitter and I'm like but you are defending Simmons who's way more over the top and literally everything Wentz has been accussed of. it's more blatant and not as much as just opinion or speculation from some journalists. People really hate when you give the recipes too so they can't even backtrack and when they try and it gets even more fun.
I hope I'm wrong about Hurts but it hasn't looked great and people have defended this kind of stuff before. I don't blame Hurts for wanting to play but his dad made an unprofessional mess and acts like a parent trying to live through their kid. He put Saban and the Tide in an awkward position there making those comments. You're a HS football coach and you are questioning the decision making of possible the greatest CFB coach of all time? It's ballsy but come on.
Quakertown Tom
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
One was tall with red hair the other was shorter with darker hair. Both like long walks on the beach and a good book.
Their salaries are as relevant as all those things I mentioned.
The Wentz haters in here are no different than Djax and his hate for Hurts. Same storm, different boat and excuses.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You’ll learn real quick who’s in what gang by what they rationalize.
You’ll see VERY few who can admit both were right to say “F u I’m out”.
They can be quitters who made the right call. Both things can be true.
Quakertown Tom
Footballguy
Absolutely. Hurts played great as a starter at OU rather than ride the bench behind Tua. And Wentz currently has 22 TDs and 5 int. in Indy. Both made the right call and are enjoying great success.
Nah, I'm in the camp that both are fine for leaving. But there's zero chance a poor kid trying to make his first pay cheque deserves as much or more criticism than a guy worth millions.
People transfer all the time to go to better situations that will make their lives better. These kids aren't under contract and getting paid millions to play for their team.
Quakertown Tom
Footballguy
I have no problem with his decision. Nor Wentz'. Seems I'm rare in these parts. I guess I'm supposed to be a hypocrite and only side with one.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
I do think there is a difference. Wentz was still going to be the Eagles starting QB in 2021 if he stayed, Alabama pretty clearly was going with Tua. I don't think either situation was ever going to be a true competition.
Quakertown Tom
Footballguy
No way. Eagles were going with Hurts regardless. Wentz knew that. He had lost the fans long ago, followed by the front office and coaching staff. No QB of his caliber would have stayed under those conditions. Eagles took his statue down shortly after he left. The whole situation was a joke. Hopefully Howie doesn't turn the first rounder into another Jalen Reagor. Eagles have a real chance at turning things around for years to come if they manage this draft correctly.
jasvic
Footballguy
That's where I disagree. Wentz already made it. He got paid. He was the starter and that wasn't changing.
Now if we go down the road of the franchise being toxic behind the scenes and wanting out, that's different (and then, if that were the case, why sign the contract?).
But I have no interest in rehashing him, it's ancient history. I'll always appreciate Wentz for helping win us a Super Bowl. And I hope he does well in Indy, just not this year since I want the pick to be as high as possible. My focus is on the current team and wanting them to do well, and for now that includes Hurts.
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Bigboy10182000
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Where they were was meaningless, in my opinion. There’s no statue of limitations on this as you’ll see in 5-10 years when Eagles fans STILL bring up him “quitting and being a baby”. We’ve done it with enough athletes already across all 4 sports.
I can’t see how anyone can say with a shred of certainty that he would be the starter the following year. Locker room was split, coaches and the front office and the fans had already been done with him since Foles. He removed himself from a toxic situation and is better off for it.
Im talking specifically about the narrative that Wentz quit cause he didn’t want to face competeion but Hurts didn’t quit when faced with the same situation. Both quit and both are better off for it. Too many people are interjecting BS excuses to justify their quitter lol.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
We’ve followed sports long enough to know those contracts hold as much weight as commitments to college as you said in your first sentence….
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Changing gears….
I mentioned before how well I thought Sirianni has done but just looking at stats I didn’t realize we were 10th in scoring and 13th in yards. Pretty remarkable when you factor in the QB play and injuries to both guards, RT, and RB. Really hope he comes out of the bye as well as Reid used to.
I mentioned before how well I thought Sirianni has done but just looking at stats I didn’t realize we were 10th in scoring and 13th in yards. Pretty remarkable when you factor in the QB play and injuries to both guards, RT, and RB. Really hope he comes out of the bye as well as Reid used to.
babydemon90
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No way, 99% chance if Wentz stays he's the starter. He'd have had to really stink it up - like DJax gleefully reminds everyone, the Eagles weren't (and aren't) remotely sold on Hurts.Quakertown Tom said:
Wentz was criticized by fans last year because he sucked last year. Fans loved him the year before that and back. Dunno, maybe you listen to too much 94.1, a few rabid dudes that call into Angelo aren't representative of the fans. Like I said, the summer literally right before, Wentz was being paid money to do appearances all over the place.
And what statue?
babydemon90
Footballguy
He's definitely improved a lot from those first few games. Rookie HC that had never called plays - not surprising that he'd have some growing pains too.Bigboy10182000 said:
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babydemon90
Footballguy
It's extremely rare for a QB (or any NFL player) to bail on an extension he signed for millions of dollars without even serving ONE year of that extension. Holding out with a year remaining? Sure. No one cares about that. Wentz didnt do a single year of his extension. That is VERY uncommon.Bigboy10182000 said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Was speaking about contracts in general. The whole “honor your contract” stance is as silly as when people use pro-bowls to justify a player being good. Teams and players don’t honor them. Just like players in college don’t honor their letters of intent or commitments.
You let Temple be the same caliber as Alabama was and a Hurts type leave here, under those same circumstances, and all of you would be singing a different tune lol. The only difference is Wentz left us/here and Hurts left a place we don’t give a F about so it’s cool lol.
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