Alex P Keaton
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Cool contribution bro
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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)
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Long Ball Larry
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I think this was the main development after the earlier studies: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.3982/ECTA14943
I think it is still a matter of some debate though
mr. furley
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is someone suggesting that it's not possible for a player to feel confident and shoot well?
is that what we're saying?
is that what we're saying?
Jayrod
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13 three point attempts in a single game is about as large a sample size as you can reasonably hope for.
Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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No, someone is saying that statistically speaking, it is dubious that the confidence or whatever it is is the cause of the good shooting.
Alex P Keaton
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Not cool at all. :reported:What he's saying is "I'm a troll, please keep feeding me".
Jayrod
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Alex P Keaton
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That’s why you look at a larger sample size, across multiple seasons, players, etc. Look, as a basketball guy I’d love to think streak shooting is a real thing. My gut tells me it’s real, that it happens in front of my eyes, that it’s happened to me. But I’m also a stats guy, and like to have gut validated with statistical analysis.
Looks like someone posted new stat / research stuff in here, so I’ll enjoy reading it tonight.
Jayrod
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The whole point of "hot" is that it is a short term phenomenon.
It is simply a term for performing at an extremely high rate of efficiency for a period of time...usually limited to a single game.
Of course when you expand the sample size it goes away. It's inherent in the definition.
It is simply a term for performing at an extremely high rate of efficiency for a period of time...usually limited to a single game.
Of course when you expand the sample size it goes away. It's inherent in the definition.
Alex P Keaton
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Yeah, I get it. I’ve played basketball a long time. Really not worth getting into a stats debate. Like I wrote a few minutes ago, my heart tells me it’s a real thing.
mr. furley
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a whole video game was built around guys bursting into a ball of flame and making baskets from full court, or dunking from the opposite free throw line.
what am i missing
what am i missing
PIK95
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mr. furley
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Dan Majerle just leapt from the baseline, scraped the arena roof and hammered a thunderous dunk down so hard that it shook the cartridge loose
PIK95
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Dennis Scott was so good.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
My son (12) just discovered this game. Loves it.
Frostillicus
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And I will believe in "hot" until I die even if I understand what the math is saying. You can do both.
Frostillicus
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Also also my son (12) who didn't care about watching basketball a year ago has since developed a complete obsession with NBA and it's the best ever and the reason not to try to force your kids to like something. Tongith he went upstairs at 9 (usually it's at 10) and my wife said "are you tired?" and he said "No, I want to watch the Wolves and Lakers game" and my dad heart exploded.
"Across a large sample-size, and so on and so forth, and what is a female breast and excetera?"
Frostillicus
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Wolves might win 70 games this year.
Yo Mama
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Until you find out he is a Laker fan to spite his old man and just wanted to watch Austin Reaves cook. He’ll be asking for a Westbrook jersey for Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanza.
Dr. Octopus
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Wouldn’t “hot” have to happen within a small sample size?
I think the study basically looked at a large collection of players, and assessed whether a shooter was more likely to make their next shot if they had made their previous one (or two or three), and found that the likelihood of making the next shot was independent of making previous shots.
This article talks about the flaws and concludes that there is actually a better chance of making the next shot: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/momentum-isnt-magic-vindicating-the-hot-hand-with-the-mathematics-of-streaks/#:~:text=Research%20made%20it%20the%20'hot%20hand%20fallacy'&text=GVT%20concluded%20that%20the%20hot,in%20an%20illusory%20hot%20hand.
offdee
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I'm trying to follow the latest chat, but what exactly is the theory?...that confidence has no relation to successful shot making?
I don't care what statistics say....the more confident you are on the court, the more successful you'll be in shots going in. I'm not anything close to NBA level, but was all conf/all state type Bball player in high school (played varsity as a frosh in a D1 high school and 3 pt shooting was my specialty). I most certainly knew when I was feeling it and confident that more balls went in. When I got in my head a bit it was a struggle....rim felt about 6" wide. There's just no doubt about it.
I don't care what statistics say....the more confident you are on the court, the more successful you'll be in shots going in. I'm not anything close to NBA level, but was all conf/all state type Bball player in high school (played varsity as a frosh in a D1 high school and 3 pt shooting was my specialty). I most certainly knew when I was feeling it and confident that more balls went in. When I got in my head a bit it was a struggle....rim felt about 6" wide. There's just no doubt about it.
GroveDiesel
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Dr. Octopus
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complete BS - they should actually release Green - no way do you give this guy a max contract.
JB Breakfast Club
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Green and Kuminga for Myles Turner and Daniel Theis...who says no?
Leeroy Jenkins
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Damn, that was a nice cross.
So did Poole say something to him while Draymond was walking to the sideline?
Frostillicus
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I actually grew up a Laker fan until we got the Wolves and he already has a Lebron, Magic, and Kareem jersey/shirt. But he's not getting a Westbrook, ever.
Juxtatarot
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My guess is 10 games.
mr. furley
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pretty rude of Poole to put his face in the line of fire like that
suspend Poole for 5 games and make him issue a public apology
suspend Poole for 5 games and make him issue a public apology
Dr. Octopus
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Very brave of him to sucker punch a guy he outweighs by 40 pounds after a few shoves.
jvdesigns2002
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Don’t kid yourself. I’m a Draymond fan and he runs his mouth about as good as anybody. Looked to me like he has no problem talking smack but is thin skinned enough to resort to violence when someone dishes it back to him. Unless Poole crossed a line and said something derogatory about Draymonds family or significant other- that was brutally dumb. Problem with the video being leaked is that the Warriors are not purely in a position to handle it internally anymore. The regular media and social media will chime in like a tidal wave and the bay area is one of the wokest places on the planet
Dr. Octopus
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being against unprovoked violence is a woke thing? God I hate that word.
jvdesigns2002
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No- but emotions rising and scuffles occurring amongst some of the most competitive people in the planet in the arena of sports/athletics is not horribly uncommon. Ask anyone that has played pick up ball. Heck, Bobby Portis put a teammate in the hospital. I’m not justifying what Draymond did. It was stupid and deserves a punishment. However-,you can already smell the masses saying “if a coworker did that to me in my office or workplace”..etc—which is the typical woke response imo.
Dr. Octopus
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Come on - that wasn't a heat of the moment thing. They weren't under the basket scuffling or throwing elbows. Draymond slowly walked over and threw a sucker punch after throwing Poole back after some pushing.
identikit
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Vernon 'Mad Max' Maxwell
jvdesigns2002
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I understand that and I think you and I believe that he deserves a punishment. I think he deserves a moderate to significant punishment relative to the context of the workplace. For me- 10-15 games and anger management and a fine that is to be donated to a charity of Pooles choice would be reasonable. However- one of the attributes of “wokeness” is removing context before evaluating and judging situations. A professional athlete talking smack and getting punched does not warrant the same workplace punishment that a person working in an office getting punched by a coworker would support. Its no different than football coaches and drill sargents being able to yell at their players and troops in a manner that would be considered horribly abusive in virtually any other workplace
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ShamrockPride
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Only better punch I seen from a basketball player was Stephen Jackson falcon punching that clown in the Palace...and Jackson slipped throwing that.
GroveDiesel
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No idea what/if Poole said something that maybe crossed a line a bit, but from the video it looks like Green is talking non-stop.
Nathan R. Jessep
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thread title well done CappyI, for one, respect his game, but absolutely cannot stand Draymond. Just another feather in that cap for me.
GroveDiesel
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Poole wishing he could have been like Kyrie and just refused the shot.
GroveDiesel
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As a Pacers fan that doesn’t really care for Turner…me. Do not want Green on the team I root for. Ever. Had enough knuckleheads already.
Dr. Octopus
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If you say so. I’m done speaking with some one that’s used “woke” three posts in a row now. I lose respect when I hear that word - no offense.
Anarchy99
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To update the Ime situation, the Daily Mail came out and identified who the women in question was (basically confirming the rumors that were circulating). The woman apparently went to college with Danny Ainge's daughter and then Ainge hired her. Information has been getting leaked out from the Ainge camp. They are said to be very disappointed by the turn of events, as the Ainge family is good friends with the woman who Ime hooked up with (part of the same family and religious values as Ainge).
They discussed this on the radio last night, and the affair was already over by the time the Celtics found out about it over the summer. Sounds like they were fine with it and were going to ignore it when additional info came to light. The official story is that Ime used disparaging language to other Celtics staff about the woman (who then entered into an affair AFTER being called derogatory names). The C's hired a law firm, launched an investigation, and interviewed a ton of people, and ultimately Udoka got suspended for the year (but still will get half his salary).
Dissecting that a little more, there still has to be more to the story and another shoe to drop. The investigation was focused on the affair with that individual, and apparently, they noted that was all they questioned people about (READ AS: who knows what else Ime was doing and with whom). It's clear the Celtics didn't really care that Udoka had an affair (they didn't do anything about it initially) and then some of this other stuff came out.
As things stand now (ie, without any additional information), Boston effectively suspended Udoka for the season over using inappropriate language (and most likely will release him at some point)? That sounds draconian. Celtics brass insists they were justified in suspending Udoka for the season because what he did was really, really egregious. It mind be nice if they actually provided some additional details, because as of now, they look like they went way overboard.
They discussed this on the radio last night, and the affair was already over by the time the Celtics found out about it over the summer. Sounds like they were fine with it and were going to ignore it when additional info came to light. The official story is that Ime used disparaging language to other Celtics staff about the woman (who then entered into an affair AFTER being called derogatory names). The C's hired a law firm, launched an investigation, and interviewed a ton of people, and ultimately Udoka got suspended for the year (but still will get half his salary).
Dissecting that a little more, there still has to be more to the story and another shoe to drop. The investigation was focused on the affair with that individual, and apparently, they noted that was all they questioned people about (READ AS: who knows what else Ime was doing and with whom). It's clear the Celtics didn't really care that Udoka had an affair (they didn't do anything about it initially) and then some of this other stuff came out.
As things stand now (ie, without any additional information), Boston effectively suspended Udoka for the season over using inappropriate language (and most likely will release him at some point)? That sounds draconian. Celtics brass insists they were justified in suspending Udoka for the season because what he did was really, really egregious. It mind be nice if they actually provided some additional details, because as of now, they look like they went way overboard.
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