pantherclub
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He had over 700 touches in 2 seasons. You seriously cannot argue that volume and touches dont affect his durability.
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2024 Carolina Panthers: Owner Hires the Next Panthers Future Ex-Coach (1 Viewer)
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666061X21000808#:~:text=Results,seasons%2C 3%2C025 injuries were reported.&text=There was a significant increase,3 recent past NFL seasons.
Basically more injuries happen in pre-season and weeks 1-4 than later in the year.
I don't think less than a touch a day over two years impact durability as much as increased athletic exposure. Let's say the average player is injured once every 700 exposures. Off course the player getting to 700 exposures first will be injured more often statistically speaking.
You may be a 50% safer driver than me but if you drive 30k miles a year and I drive 10k, you are more likely to have an accident.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Joe Person @josephperson
Amid multiple reports that Panthers will meet with Deshaun Watson, I'm told Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer are not in the office today.
Amid multiple reports that Panthers will meet with Deshaun Watson, I'm told Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer are not in the office today.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Good day for the Panthers. Watson doesn't go in the division. They don't trade multiple picks/CMC for a creep. Extend DJ Moore. Sign two dudes who should start on the interior of the OL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I love DJ Moore. I feel for him stuck with that team for another 4 years. He's way way way more talented than Darnold can use. I've been tempted to buy in FF, but man that's a tough call.
Maybe CAR brings in JimmyG or Mariota, or some other QB who isn't utterly terrible. Darnold most certainly isn't the answer, though I respect that they're seemingly improving the OL.
Maybe CAR brings in JimmyG or Mariota, or some other QB who isn't utterly terrible. Darnold most certainly isn't the answer, though I respect that they're seemingly improving the OL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
DJ's inability to score is really baffling and goes across QBs.
A high-level backup on a cheap deal for competition would make sense. It would be foolish (IMO) to give up substantial resources for a QB when you have a coach that has shown little and probably will be fired. Someone will likely jump them for Willis.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Sheena Quick @Sheena_Marie3
Per sources, the #Panthers have had conversations with Cam Newton regarding a return. I’m told nothing is imminent; will wait to see how the off-season plays out.
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Probably a wise move whether or not they go QB in the draft. As long as everyone realizes he isn't good enough to be the starter and should just come in for short yardage situation (where he is still elite IMO).
Per sources, the #Panthers have had conversations with Cam Newton regarding a return. I’m told nothing is imminent; will wait to see how the off-season plays out.
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Probably a wise move whether or not they go QB in the draft. As long as everyone realizes he isn't good enough to be the starter and should just come in for short yardage situation (where he is still elite IMO).
Jayrok
Footballguy
Now that the Watson thing is over, time to focus on the draft. What to do with #6?
I wouldn't mind if they could trade back and pick up another pick or two to help offset the Darnold trade if they can. Not sure about Pickett or Willis (risk/reward?)
Trade back to mid/late first and look at Corral? Or ride with Darnold another year and build out the roster?
Glad they aren't trading for Mayfield or Cousins. Hope they don't trade for Jimmy G.
If a top 2 OT is there at 6 I wouldn't mind going that route to build the line.
I wouldn't mind if they could trade back and pick up another pick or two to help offset the Darnold trade if they can. Not sure about Pickett or Willis (risk/reward?)
Trade back to mid/late first and look at Corral? Or ride with Darnold another year and build out the roster?
Glad they aren't trading for Mayfield or Cousins. Hope they don't trade for Jimmy G.
If a top 2 OT is there at 6 I wouldn't mind going that route to build the line.
Birdie048
Footballguy
There are rumblings that the #6 is an option to a "QB NEEDY" team who wants to make a move up.
This was PRIOR to the recent QB Pro-days with Rhule in attendance. So no telling if it remains avail.
I actually thought Darnold would be better than what we saw in NY. Not sure if the whole new Offense Scheme was a struggle or if he is not what the scouts thought he was as Top 3 QB Pick in 2018.
Birdie048
Footballguy
More discussions on why Panthers Owner David Tepper has ruffled feathers:
Build of a new 240 Acre Sports Complex fell apart
“The bottom line is that our community deserves answers,” Climer said. “The city, the county, the state and the Panthers worked together constructively for a considerable period of time at great effort to bring to Rock Hill a world-class sports entertainment center. David Tepper came to Rock Hill promising us Jerry Jones and ever since then he’s given us Dan Snyder.”
Build of a new 240 Acre Sports Complex fell apart
“The bottom line is that our community deserves answers,” Climer said. “The city, the county, the state and the Panthers worked together constructively for a considerable period of time at great effort to bring to Rock Hill a world-class sports entertainment center. David Tepper came to Rock Hill promising us Jerry Jones and ever since then he’s given us Dan Snyder.”
Drake Hater
Footballguy
There's a good bit of editorial inserted in that article, but I'm not familiar with that site so maybe that's their style. But it seems to me the main beef would be with Rock Hill and the SC legislature.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Seems like Rock Hill outkicked their coverage a bit. Yet, Tepper's whole scheme seems to be to play local governments against each other for tax incentives while he enjoys the deprecation tax benefits from buying Carolina.
The whole thing is particularly odious. Hard to imagine being a billionaire many times over and making this your focus.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Definitely. But that's near par for the course in the economic development world, and billionaires don't make that kind of money being easy going.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Heard Pickett, then heard Willis, then heard OT, then heard trade down... then heard Pickett/Willis again.
I'd prefer they trade the pick back to mid-first round and try to obtain another pick or two. Maybe look at Ridder or Howell further back if they want a QB. Either way, let Darnold run the ship while the new QB (whoever it may be) isn't thrown into the fire on day one.
If their target OT is there, draft him. In any case, they need to build up the OL. Work on that and look for the franchise QB later (next year's draft or FA/trade). It isn't like we are one special piece from contending for a SB.
I'd prefer they trade the pick back to mid-first round and try to obtain another pick or two. Maybe look at Ridder or Howell further back if they want a QB. Either way, let Darnold run the ship while the new QB (whoever it may be) isn't thrown into the fire on day one.
If their target OT is there, draft him. In any case, they need to build up the OL. Work on that and look for the franchise QB later (next year's draft or FA/trade). It isn't like we are one special piece from contending for a SB.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Panthers allegedly interested in Baker Mayfield (Robbie Anderson excluded)
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/baker-mayfield-rumors-panthers-have-interest-in-acquiring-former-first-overall-draft-pick-per-report/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/baker-mayfield-rumors-panthers-have-interest-in-acquiring-former-first-overall-draft-pick-per-report/
As they should be. Mayfield is twice the QB Darnold is, and Rhule doesn't have time to develop a rookie.
How about Robby Anderson straight up?
Or more likely a day 3 pick. Or at the rate it going, a swap of day 3 picks. Like Mayfield and a 7 for a 5?
Jayrok
Footballguy
Yes, I think the latter trade would be good. Just don't want to keep giving day one-two draft picks for a middle tier QB whose salary will eat into more cap space. At least a rookie will be on a rookie deal during development. I know Rhule probably doesn't have a lot of time or long leash but you'd think the GM does to build this team.
beer 30
Footballguy
Not particularly football related but Tepper just sent a termination notice to Rock Vegas on the new practice facility. As someone who lives in Ft. Mill and was looking forward to the facility being 10 minutes away, well done 'necks...well done 
https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1516427671760158729
https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1516427671760158729
Jayrok
Footballguy
Not particularly football related but Tepper just sent a termination notice to Rock Vegas on the new practice facility. As someone who lives in Ft. Mill and was looking forward to the facility being 10 minutes away, well done 'necks...well done
https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1516427671760158729
Sorry to hear this. Was also looking forward to the new facility.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
So, QB or OT tonight?
Drake Hater
Footballguy
OT unless they trade.
Jayrok
Footballguy
So glad they went OT instead of reaching for a QB. I like the pick and actually thought he'd be gone by the 6th. Hopefully Ekwonu can be an anchor on the line for many years to come.
Always nice when a player wants to play in Charlotte as he's a fan of the Panthers. His parents seemed thrilled too. It was a nice story/interview.
Think Fitterer is looking to trade up into the 2nd? We don't have many picks to offer but the AJ Brown trade to Philly was a surprise, imo. Anyone come to mind in terms of a player trade? Robbie Anderson?
Always nice when a player wants to play in Charlotte as he's a fan of the Panthers. His parents seemed thrilled too. It was a nice story/interview.
Think Fitterer is looking to trade up into the 2nd? We don't have many picks to offer but the AJ Brown trade to Philly was a surprise, imo. Anyone come to mind in terms of a player trade? Robbie Anderson?
Jayrok
Footballguy
New offensive line
Ikem Ekwonu
Brady Christianson
Bradley Bozeman
Austin Corbett
Taylor Moton
Not too bad.
Ikem Ekwonu
Brady Christianson
Bradley Bozeman
Austin Corbett
Taylor Moton
Not too bad.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Honestly, as much as I don't believe in Darnold, they would be far better off giving him one more chance to show something - and if he continues to struggle (most likely) then they take a QB next year. It isn't like Cam, Jimmy G or Baker are going to come in and win a Super Bowl anyway - it's unlikely any even lead them to the playoffs.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Agree. I don't want to give up any more to get Jimmy or Baker. As you say, we aren't contending for a SB right now. Get some more mileage out of Sam and keep looking for the franchise guy.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Darnold's contract pretty much dictates one more year right? I'm thinking Rhule is likely gone with no playoffs this season, so getting the OT now sets up for likely new QB and HC next season. GM making a smart play.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Great pick. Was so worried that they were going to take a QB there. Build for the long term.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Yes, 100%. Not worth the assets for a team in a rebuild. Throw Darnold out there. Maybe a miracle occurs. If not, you draft a QB with a high pick in a better QB draft next year into a team with a better OL and likely getting better.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Love your optimism. First pick was great, not sure about the QB. I hope he turns out to be the best QB in the group.
Jayrok
Footballguy
So we gave up an early 4th and next year's (most likely to be a top 8 pick in the 3rd) 3rd round pick for a late 3rd round pick this year. To get a QB who may or may not be better than Sam Darnold. It felt like a reach to me. I like Corral but not sure if he's the guy.
This was a great trade for New England.
Feels a little like spending a 3rd on Will Grier. At least back then it was just a 3rd. This time we added next year's 3rd as well.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong and Corral pays off. But at least this will stop all the nonsense about over-trading for Baker Mayfield and paying him stupid money to be mediocre.
I hope Fitts finds some late round gems today!
This was a great trade for New England.
Feels a little like spending a 3rd on Will Grier. At least back then it was just a 3rd. This time we added next year's 3rd as well.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong and Corral pays off. But at least this will stop all the nonsense about over-trading for Baker Mayfield and paying him stupid money to be mediocre.
I hope Fitts finds some late round gems today!
pantherclub
Footballguy
Thats like being the tallest midget in this group
Not a fan of the trade up or the qb.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Panthers draft picks
Round 1, Pick 6: Ikem Ekwonu, OT, N.C. State
Round 3, Pick 94 (from NE): Matt Corral, QB, Ole Miss
Round 4, Pick 120 (from WAS): Brandon Smith, LB, Penn State
Round 6, Pick 189 (from WAS): Amare Barno, EDGE, Virginia Tech
Round 6, Pick 199 (from LV): Cade Mays, OL, Tennessee
Round 7, Pick 242 (from NE via MIA): Kalon Barnes, CB, Baylor
Panthers undrafted free agents
Davis Cheek, QB, Elon
Charleston Rambo, WR, Miami
Khalon Tolson, LB, Illinois
Andrew Parchment, WR, Florida State
Josh Babicz, TE, North Dakota State
I'm not disappointed with the draft. Ekwonu is a great addition to a revamped OL. Hopefully Cade Mays can develop into a nice backup or better. Matt will get his chance. Looking forward to seeing him battle Sam Darnold. I do think Sam will have some success behind the new OL. Maybe he'll step up and prove he's the guy... well, you know.
Don't know much about Barno and Barnes, but it shouldn't be surprising that Rhule was going to dip into his beloved Baylor pool at least once. Kalon is fast, that's for sure. Can he cover? IDK. Guess they have him in mind for return teams, with that speed.
I do like the B. Smith pick. Feels a need at LB.
Rambo on the UDFA list could be interesting. I wish they'd bring in Justyn Ross, though. I know his medical conditions has scared every team off but it's amazing to me that he isn't signed yet.
Round 1, Pick 6: Ikem Ekwonu, OT, N.C. State
Round 3, Pick 94 (from NE): Matt Corral, QB, Ole Miss
Round 4, Pick 120 (from WAS): Brandon Smith, LB, Penn State
Round 6, Pick 189 (from WAS): Amare Barno, EDGE, Virginia Tech
Round 6, Pick 199 (from LV): Cade Mays, OL, Tennessee
Round 7, Pick 242 (from NE via MIA): Kalon Barnes, CB, Baylor
Panthers undrafted free agents
Davis Cheek, QB, Elon
Charleston Rambo, WR, Miami
Khalon Tolson, LB, Illinois
Andrew Parchment, WR, Florida State
Josh Babicz, TE, North Dakota State
I'm not disappointed with the draft. Ekwonu is a great addition to a revamped OL. Hopefully Cade Mays can develop into a nice backup or better. Matt will get his chance. Looking forward to seeing him battle Sam Darnold. I do think Sam will have some success behind the new OL. Maybe he'll step up and prove he's the guy... well, you know.
Don't know much about Barno and Barnes, but it shouldn't be surprising that Rhule was going to dip into his beloved Baylor pool at least once. Kalon is fast, that's for sure. Can he cover? IDK. Guess they have him in mind for return teams, with that speed.
I do like the B. Smith pick. Feels a need at LB.
Rambo on the UDFA list could be interesting. I wish they'd bring in Justyn Ross, though. I know his medical conditions has scared every team off but it's amazing to me that he isn't signed yet.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Solid C draft. Great tackle and then not too much from there. Smith is a special teamer and Barno is a Burns clone without the high end motor.
Not sure what to think about Corral. I hope they did their homework because the offense he was in at Ol miss doesnt resemble anything that a pro team will run. One read boom throw. He didnt throw long often and he struggles when he tries so I really dont know what to think.
Jayrok
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Jayrok
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Reportedly eyeing Sean Payton
They'd have to outbid the Cowboys first. Payton isn't going to take a job where there's no good QB in place.
Can't see it happening and likely another reach by Tepper (i.e. D. Watson and Matt Stafford). There was also some pushback, IIRC, from fans about not wanting someone like Payton... whatever that means.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Would Payton be interested in "Drafting a highly rated Rookie QB" to start his 2nd story?
I don't know if Tepper has a clue how to run an NFL franchise ....
Jayrok
Footballguy
Not sure if Payton would want to take a chance on a rookie. Might be too soon to anoint Bryce Young or CJ Stroud as a franchise savior. I'd wager that he'd rather go into a situation with an established QB.
Not sure about Tepper either at this point. At least he seems to be passionate.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Snyder is passionate as well. They have to see the writing on the wall with that schedule and Darnold at QB. Playoffs ain't happening.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Good point. Yeah, playoffs ain't happening. That's why I'm good with Darnold at QB and maybe seeing Corral here and there this season. I don't want to see them bring in Jimmy G or Baker, especially at the expense of future draft picks.
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