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Just screwing around, I came up with this team that would still be alive:

QB - Josh Allen - BUF/7 - $25
QB - Patrick Mahomes - KC/8 - $23
RB - Brandon Bolden - LV/6 - $3
RB - Zack Moss - BUF/7 - $3
RB - Jeff Wilson - SF/9 - $3
WR - Nelson Agholor - NE/10 - $3
WR - Jauan Jennings - SF/9 - $3
WR - Laviska Shenault - CAR/13 - $3
WR - Olamide Zaccheaus - ATL/14 - $3
TE - Mo Alie-Cox - IND/14 - $6
TE - Will Dissly - SEA/11 - $3
TE - Cade Otton - TB/11 - $3
TE - Geoff Swaim - TEN/6 - $3
PK - Graham Gano - NYG/9 - $3
PK - Cairo Santos - CHI/14 - $3
TD - San Francisco 49ers - SF/9 - $4
TD - Atlanta Falcons - ATL/14 - $3
TD - Carolina Panthers - CAR/13 - $3

I'm sure I can find a cheaper roster that would still be alive, but this 18 player roster for $100 just looks hysterical. This team barely squeaks by every week.
 
@TwinTurbo @Hot Sauce Guy

cmon guys. dawson knox scored 9 tds on 71 targets last year. they hardly throw to him except in the red zone. dan arnold averaged more targets per game than he did. im not saying hes a bad play necessarily, but saying hes not high variance is insane. hes basically the biggest boom/bust te in the league.
Oh he is definitely high variance. And Kelce is this year's Knox lol. He's scored 7 tds on 33 receptions while averaging a career low yards per target. Meanwhile the Chiefs WR room has accounted for only 2 rec TDs through 5 games. Their WR1/WR2 have zero TDs. How long can that hold up?
Well, since I failed to roster Kelce, I'm hoping for my own sake that when he starts seeing more double coverge, More targets will got to JuJu and Edwards-Helaire, so I can justify spending $32 on the pair. I thought (momentarily) on Monday night that Clyde had partially partially redeemed himself with that sneaky shovel pass reception for the TD from Mahomes. But the replay clearly showed him down by contact prior to breaking the plane. I'll bet I was not the only one who said "Oh s#$&*?" as they showed the replay...
Well the question is why didn't he see double coverage in the Raiders game after the first or second TD. One of life's mysteries I guess.
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
 
Updated look at my team's usage through week 5:


PLAYERUSEDTOTALPTSPER$PTSPER$RNK
QB - Josh Allen - BUF/7 - $25
4​
168.40​
6.74​
4​
QB - Jared Goff - DET/6 - $9
1​
42.00​
4.67​
11​
RB - Joe Mixon - CIN/10 - $30
2​
33.40​
1.11​
18​
RB - Saquon Barkley - NYG/9 - $26
5​
94.60​
3.64​
13​
RB - Dameon Pierce - HOU/6 - $10
3​
58.80​
5.88​
6​
RB - Zamir White - LV/6 - $6
0​
0.00​
0.00​
21​
RB - Jeff Wilson - SF/9 - $3
2​
31.00​
10.33​
1​
WR - Courtland Sutton - DEN/9 - $19
4​
64.80​
3.41​
14​
WR - Marquise Brown - ARI/13 - $18
5​
97.70​
5.43​
8​
WR - JuJu Smith-Schuster - KC/8 - $15
1​
13.90​
0.93​
19​
WR - George Pickens - PIT/9 - $6
2​
30.50​
5.08​
9​
WR - Josh Palmer - LAC/8 - $6
2​
28.90​
4.82​
10​
WR - Sammy Watkins - GB/14 - $4
1​
12.30​
3.08​
16​
WR - Braxton Berrios - NYJ/10 - $4
0​
0.00​
0.00​
21​
WR - Laviska Shenault - CAR/13 - $3
1​
17.00​
5.67​
7​
TE - Kyle Pitts - ATL/14 - $24
1​
16.20​
0.68​
20​
TE - Tyler Higbee - LAR/7 - $10
4​
66.40​
6.64​
5​
TE - Hayden Hurst - CIN/10 - $8
2​
32.40​
4.05​
12​
TE - Cade Otton - TB/11 - $3
0​
0.00​
0.00​
21​
PK - Evan McPherson - CIN/10 - $6
4​
41.90​
6.98​
3​
PK - Austin Seibert - DET/6 - $3
0​
0.00​
0.00​
21​
PK - Rodrigo Blankenship - IND/14 - $3
1​
9.50​
3.17​
15​
TD - Minnesota Vikings - MIN/7 - $3
0​
0.00​
0.00​
21​
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/13 - $3
1​
9.00​
3.00​
17​
TD - Tennessee Titans - TEN/6 - $3
4​
26.00​
8.67​
2​


These values reflect when they actually were used. Not surprising that Wilson is my leader it value per dollar. Tennessee gets a small asterisk as there is a week they tied with Arizona but since they have been used more I gave them the tiebreaker. McPherson has been expensive - but productive. Allen has lived up to his high cost. Higbee makes me feel good about that pick. A little surprising that Barkley doesn't show in the bang for the buck department given that I've used him every game so far. Shenault meanwhile has shown up only once but he really made it count. Otton counts for nothing of course - but I think he'll zoom up the chart as the season wears on. On to the positions:

QBs: Allen - used 4 times, Goff 1 time. Goff laid an egg this week but the fact that he beat Allen in a week is an upset in and of itself. That said in spite of his generally positive numbers I really worry about relying on him in week 7 (Allen's bye) when he is going up against the Dallas team that has allowed more heralded QBs to score 15.50, 18.55, 16.70, 13.00, and 20.40 over the first 5 weeks of the season. That's an average of just under 17 points per game compared to the 42 points I've been getting - a 25-point haircut that easily could be even worse.

RBs: Barkely 5, Pierce 3, Mixon 2, Wilson 2, Z White 0. Only 2 of my 10 flexes so far has come from this group that feels solid to me - a little surprising. Wilson has been taking the sting off of Mixon's slows start - hopefully Mixon can build on the somewhat more promising effort last week in the 2nd half vs Baltimore.

WRs: Hollywood 5, Sutton 4, Pickens 2, Palmer 2, JuJu 1, Shenault 1, Watkins 1, Berrios 0. Hollywood Brown and Sutton have been the mainstays but it's heartening to see that 6 of my 10 flexes have come from this bunch. They are all in the mix enough to give me hope that they'll contribute and even the nonqualifying numbers have sometimes been okay. Every flex I have gotten (from this and the other positions) has been at least 11 points. Frankly it might be the best WR depth I've had in this contest as I usually have more suspects than prospects by this point. Berrios is the one non-contributor. I still feel like he'll sneak in a big game or two as they have used him in odd and creative ways. Here's hoping.

TEs: Higbee 4, Hurst 2, Pitts 1, Otton 0. Higbee has been a target monster which has been very reassuring, especailly with the massive struggles of Pitts. Hurst has chipped in a couple of nice games and he's getting pretty consistent looks in the offense. Pitts....has been a disaster. He has way too much talent for things to stay that way.....right? As mentioned above, Otton is getting more and more play and looks from Brady as the season goes on which is exactly what I hoped. Really might be my x-factor down the stretch if I make it that far in the contest.

PKs: McPherson 4, Blankenship 1, Seibert 0. It's the Money Mac show now. He's managed to be a real nice contributor that has justifed the luxury price I've paid. As for Blank and Seibert - it just feels like their phones aren't ringing at all meaning a game with no FG attempts by Mac will put me in dangerous territory I'm afraid.

DEFs: Tennessee 3 1/2, Arizona 1 1/2, Minnesota 0. The Titans looked like the biggest overlay when I took them and have pretty much played like it (though their haven't been any big hits really as yet). Arizona has been fine as a number 2. Minnesota hasn't counted by they haven't exactly been trash either as they average a decent 5 points per game (by comparison Tennessee has 27 and Arizona has only 24) - so hopefully they'll put their best efforts up when I need them. The diversified approach has me averaging exactly 7 points per game so far.

Here's hoping luck continues to shine on the best roster I've put together in quite some time. (Even if the 2 post-$100 bonus rosters I considered have been actually, um better).

On To Week 6!!!!!!!!
-QG
 
Here's a 30-player team that would've been eliminated week 1 (I spent a tad over $250 :wink: ). I have bolded the starters, and selected a normal amount at each position based on what a "typical" 30-player roster would look like. I also did not roster anyone who did not play in week 1 (i.e. Deshaun Watson or Deandre Hopkins).
QB - Tom Brady ($21 - 15.50)
QB - Aaron Rodgers ($16 - 8.65)
QB - Matthew Stafford ($16 - 15.20)
RB - Christian McCaffrey ($37 - 13.70)
RB - Austin Ekeler ($34 - 9.20)
RB - Najee Harris ($32 - 9.60)
RB - Derrick Henry ($31 - 8.20)
RB - Dalvin Cook ($29 - 12.30)
RB - Alvin Kamara ($28 - 6.10)
RB - Aaron Jones ($27 - 9.10)
WR - CeeDee Lamb ($28 - 4.90)
WR - Deebo Samuel ($27 - 14.60)
WR - Tee Higgins ($26 - 4.70)
WR - Tyreek Hill ($26 - 18.00)
WR - Mike Evans ($25 - 18.10)

WR - Keenan Allen ($24 - 10.60)
WR - DJ Moore ($23 - 8.00)
WR - Diontae Johnson ($22 - 12.50)
WR - Chris Godwin ($21 - 6.50)
WR - Mike Williams ($21 - 3.00)
TE - Mark Andrews ($28 - 12.70)
TE - Kyle Pitts ($24 - 4.90)
TE - Darren Waller ($21 - 13.90)
TE - TJ Hockenson ($17 - 9.80)
K - Nick Folk ($5 - 1.00)
K - Matt Prater ($5 - 1.00)
K - Mason Crosby ($4 - 1.00)
D - DAL ($7 - 4.00)
D - NO ($6 - 4.00)
D - NE ($5 - 3.00)

Since week 1, this team has averaged 226.5 per week, but only scored 123.8 week 1.
 
QBs: Allen - used 4 times, Goff 1 time. Goff laid an egg this week but the fact that he beat Allen in a week is an upset in and of itself. That said in spite of his generally positive numbers I really worry about relying on him in week 7 (Allen's bye) when he is going up against the Dallas team that has allowed more heralded QBs to score 15.50, 18.55, 16.70, 13.00, and 20.40 over the first 5 weeks of the season. That's an average of just under 17 points per game compared to the 42 points I've been getting - a 25-point haircut that easily could be even worse.
Fun fact - you'd still be alive even if your only QB was Goff!
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
I wanted another piece of the Bills offense. It really came down to that.
 
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
 
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
Yeah Ertz and I guess Higbee who is leading in targets but has zero TDs.
 
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
Yeah Ertz and I guess Higbee who is leading in targets but has zero TDs.
Don't need TD's from the TE spot when you are getting catches. Higbee is TE3 with no TD's, but tied with Kelce for the league lead in catches.
 
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
Yeah Ertz and I guess Higbee who is leading in targets but has zero TDs.
Don't need TD's from the TE spot when you are getting catches. Higbee is TE3 with no TD's, but tied with Kelce for the league lead in catches.
Right and Higbee is getting catches because ARob can't get open. It will probably normalize at some point.
 
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
Yeah Ertz and I guess Higbee who is leading in targets but has zero TDs.
Don't need TD's from the TE spot when you are getting catches. Higbee is TE3 with no TD's, but tied with Kelce for the league lead in catches.
Right and Higbee is getting catches because ARob can't get open. It will probably normalize at some point.
Well, sure, most stats do tend to normalize. After week 1, Wentz was QB3, Hilliard was RB7, Duvernay was WR9, and Howard was TE2. But do you think Higbee is gonna drop out of TE1 status and ARob is going to rise to WR2 status?
 
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
Yeah Ertz and I guess Higbee who is leading in targets but has zero TDs.
Don't need TD's from the TE spot when you are getting catches. Higbee is TE3 with no TD's, but tied with Kelce for the league lead in catches.
Right and Higbee is getting catches because ARob can't get open. It will probably normalize at some point.
Well, sure, most stats do tend to normalize. After week 1, Wentz was QB3, Hilliard was RB7, Duvernay was WR9, and Howard was TE2. But do you think Higbee is gonna drop out of TE1 status and ARob is going to rise to WR2 status?
Yes. He will drop to TE 12-15. ARob will rise like a phoenix.
 
Its at times like this that I have to admit I may not be smart enough to hang around with this group.

Google is your friend. Seriously. Because I like joey and his postings, I took the time to Google it. I'm nowhere near as smart, urbane, or worldly as I appear.

Did I cheat by doing that?

That question just gave me a slight lol right there.
You used the word urbane....my comment stands lol
Yea Rock and a few others that post on these forums will have you reaching for a dictionary.
 
Stealing @QuizGuy66 's format...
Bye WeekCost ($)UsedTotal PointsPoints per $PP$RNK
QB Kirk Cousins714
3​
76.95​
5.50​
7​
QB Jared Goff69
2​
78.6​
8.73​
3​
RB Travis Etienne1122
1​
12.9​
0.59​
18​
RB Breece Hall1021
4​
60.5​
2.88​
14​
RB Miles Sanders717
3​
56.2​
3.31​
12​
RB Dameon Pierce610
3​
58.8​
5.88​
6​
RB Alexander Mattison79
1​
10.9​
1.21​
16​
WR Courtland Sutton919
5​
77.2​
4.06​
11​
WR Darnell Mooney1417
1​
7.2​
0.42​
19​
WR Hunter Renfrow615
1​
12.9​
0.86​
17​
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster815
2​
27.8​
1.85​
15​
WR Corey Davis107
3​
48.4​
6.91​
4​
WR Sammy Watkins144
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TE Travis Kelce830
5​
126.3​
4.21​
10​
TE Zach Ertz1315
5​
76.9​
5.13​
8​
TE Mo Alie-Cox146
1​
29.5​
4.92​
9​
PK Greg Zuerlein103
1​
18.5​
6.17​
5​
PK Rodrigo Blankenshipn/a3
1​
9.5​
3.17​
13​
PK Graham Gano93
3​
40.8​
13.60​
1​
TD Washington Commanders144
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TD Chicago Bears143
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TD Seattle Seahawks113
5​
36​
12.00​
2​

Now he's got me worried about relying on Goff week 7 against Dallas... fingers crossed I make it past that.

The fact that two of my kickers are in the top 5 in PP$ makes me wonder about if that's actually the best metric, but it definitely shows good info for non-kickers/D. Seattle has tied with other defenses a few times, but I've just taken their score every time.

Very happy that I invested so much in TE with Kelce and Ertz, been a flex score every week from that pair.

I'm still holding out hope that Ettiene, Mooney, Renfrow, and Juju start contributing more. I'm not holding out hope for Watkins being a value pick when he gets back. And I never want to see a player get injured, but Dalvin Cook's injury history is too real, and Mattison puts up absurd numbers when Cook goes down. And also hoping that Courtland can continue to produce solid PPR numbers even with Wilson playing hurt...

With this being my first year, I was surprised to see the stats on the size of teams with the highest survival being between 23 and 28. I felt like I passed up a lot of the top players to make my roster larger, but I've only got 22 players.
 
Stealing @QuizGuy66 's format...
Bye WeekCost ($)UsedTotal PointsPoints per $PP$RNK
QB Kirk Cousins714
3​
76.95​
5.50​
7​
QB Jared Goff69
2​
78.6​
8.73​
3​
RB Travis Etienne1122
1​
12.9​
0.59​
18​
RB Breece Hall1021
4​
60.5​
2.88​
14​
RB Miles Sanders717
3​
56.2​
3.31​
12​
RB Dameon Pierce610
3​
58.8​
5.88​
6​
RB Alexander Mattison79
1​
10.9​
1.21​
16​
WR Courtland Sutton919
5​
77.2​
4.06​
11​
WR Darnell Mooney1417
1​
7.2​
0.42​
19​
WR Hunter Renfrow615
1​
12.9​
0.86​
17​
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster815
2​
27.8​
1.85​
15​
WR Corey Davis107
3​
48.4​
6.91​
4​
WR Sammy Watkins144
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TE Travis Kelce830
5​
126.3​
4.21​
10​
TE Zach Ertz1315
5​
76.9​
5.13​
8​
TE Mo Alie-Cox146
1​
29.5​
4.92​
9​
PK Greg Zuerlein103
1​
18.5​
6.17​
5​
PK Rodrigo Blankenshipn/a3
1​
9.5​
3.17​
13​
PK Graham Gano93
3​
40.8​
13.60​
1​
TD Washington Commanders144
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TD Chicago Bears143
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TD Seattle Seahawks113
5​
36​
12.00​
2​

Now he's got me worried about relying on Goff week 7 against Dallas... fingers crossed I make it past that.

The fact that two of my kickers are in the top 5 in PP$ makes me wonder about if that's actually the best metric, but it definitely shows good info for non-kickers/D. Seattle has tied with other defenses a few times, but I've just taken their score every time.

Very happy that I invested so much in TE with Kelce and Ertz, been a flex score every week from that pair.

I'm still holding out hope that Ettiene, Mooney, Renfrow, and Juju start contributing more. I'm not holding out hope for Watkins being a value pick when he gets back. And I never want to see a player get injured, but Dalvin Cook's injury history is too real, and Mattison puts up absurd numbers when Cook goes down. And also hoping that Courtland can continue to produce solid PPR numbers even with Wilson playing hurt...

With this being my first year, I was surprised to see the stats on the size of teams with the highest survival being between 23 and 28. I felt like I passed up a lot of the top players to make my roster larger, but I've only got 22 players.

Survival rate generally favors smaller teams early but shifts to larger roster teams as injuries mount and bye weeks set in. So far, this year seems typical. Nothing is absolute, and especially with your individual team a lot of it depends on having a mix of players that manages to avoid the injury bug. But I believe the sweet spot most years ends up being in the upper range. But a smaller lineup probably tends to be stronger IF you can avoid the injury bug. I came in 4th overall in 2011 with an 18 player lineup.

Another head-scratcher I see sometimes is a number of lineups that seem amazing in terms of talent, but with total disregard for bye week management. It does no good to average 220 points per week, only to be eliminated in a bye week because half of your studs have Sunday afternoon T-times that weekend.

Yesterday I spent some time number crunching total points scored each week by NFL teams and I zeroed in specifically on Monday night. I was checking to see if there was a correlation between points scored Monday night and amount of movement of the cut line. But there really isn't one. This is logical because it obviously depends more on the skill level of the players that are playing Monday night and the degree of ownership of those players by everyone still alive in the contest. Had I found some interesting link, you would have seen an additional entry in my (not guaranteed to be weekly) post about Statistical Trivia.

But that said, we have observed that on Monday night, with the exception of week 2 which had 2 games, the cut line has moved 7.85, 5.95, 5.95, and 8.35 points. So it's probably safe to conclude that the cut line won't move more than 10 points on Monday night. I feel confident in that statement in light of fact that there were some very high individual player scores this past week (Kelce, Mahomes, Adams, Carlson) and it still only moved 8.35 points.

In week 2 with two Monday night games, the cut line moved 20.10 points, which would average out to just over a 10 point movement per game, But on that night, 3 different players with high ownership numbers posted individual scores over 40 points (Allen, Diggs, and Hurts). Allen was on 1061 live rosters, Diggs on 711, and Hurts on 696,
 
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Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
The only consistent one I can think of is Ertz. Sure, he isn't lighting it up in terms of yardage, but he has been a target beast the last 4 weeks (37) and has 26 catches. He is TE4 in the contest thus far.
Yeah Ertz and I guess Higbee who is leading in targets but has zero TDs.
Don't need TD's from the TE spot when you are getting catches. Higbee is TE3 with no TD's, but tied with Kelce for the league lead in catches.
Right and Higbee is getting catches because ARob can't get open. It will probably normalize at some point.
Well, sure, most stats do tend to normalize. After week 1, Wentz was QB3, Hilliard was RB7, Duvernay was WR9, and Howard was TE2. But do you think Higbee is gonna drop out of TE1 status and ARob is going to rise to WR2 status?

higbee feels like a te1 as long as their offensive line is still trash. ive watched them a bunch this year and i dont feel like higbees success is about arob not separating or about jefferson being out. stafford is constantly under siege so he has to get it out quickly to kupp and higbee. plus they cant run it at all. doesnt feel like any of that is changing anytime soon. theyve started a different o-line combo in every game this year lol.
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
right and my point was that in a discussion about knox it doesnt make a lot of sense to be like 'see...all these other guys at the same price suck too.' thats all i was trying to convey.

it seems pretty clear to me that by far the best te strat for this contest is either the double elite te or the pupu platter of low priced guys. those mid range guys are just so disappointing, kinda like in drafts this year where the obvious play was either kelce, mandews, pitts in the 1st couple rounds or wait for the late friermuth/njioku/irv tier.

this could all jsut be recency bias on my part though.
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
right and my point was that in a discussion about knox it doesnt make a lot of sense to be like 'see...all these other guys at the same price suck too.' thats all i was trying to convey.

it seems pretty clear to me that by far the best te strat for this contest is either the double elite te or the pupu platter of low priced guys. those mid range guys are just so disappointing, kinda like in drafts this year where the obvious play was either kelce, mandews, pitts in the 1st couple rounds or wait for the late friermuth/njioku/irv tier.

this could all jsut be recency bias on my part though.

Since you can never really count on TDs, what I look for when shopping TEs is VOLUME. With this contest awarding 1.5 PPR for TEs, I think that's the most important indicator of a good choice at TE. Touchdowns are icing on the cake. You have to believe that guys like Kelce are always going to get their share of TDs in addition to having high volume. But when shopping TEs in general, I think you have to lean toward guys that get a lot of targets, and the resulting receptions and yards, and focus on the ones who usually get yards to go along with the volume. Tyler Higbee is a perfect example of this. ZERO touchdowns, yet 33 receptions for 290 yards, and 78.5 fantasy points in this contest. That's a great value for $10 cap, and if he starts getting TDs, it's icing on the cake and he'll probalby finish in the top 5 for the season. I had him on one of my earlier roster iterations before I submitted my final one. I wish I had him now.
 
Stealing @QuizGuy66 's format...
Bye WeekCost ($)UsedTotal PointsPoints per $PP$RNK
QB Kirk Cousins714
3​
76.95​
5.50​
7​
QB Jared Goff69
2​
78.6​
8.73​
3​
RB Travis Etienne1122
1​
12.9​
0.59​
18​
RB Breece Hall1021
4​
60.5​
2.88​
14​
RB Miles Sanders717
3​
56.2​
3.31​
12​
RB Dameon Pierce610
3​
58.8​
5.88​
6​
RB Alexander Mattison79
1​
10.9​
1.21​
16​
WR Courtland Sutton919
5​
77.2​
4.06​
11​
WR Darnell Mooney1417
1​
7.2​
0.42​
19​
WR Hunter Renfrow615
1​
12.9​
0.86​
17​
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster815
2​
27.8​
1.85​
15​
WR Corey Davis107
3​
48.4​
6.91​
4​
WR Sammy Watkins144
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TE Travis Kelce830
5​
126.3​
4.21​
10​
TE Zach Ertz1315
5​
76.9​
5.13​
8​
TE Mo Alie-Cox146
1​
29.5​
4.92​
9​
PK Greg Zuerlein103
1​
18.5​
6.17​
5​
PK Rodrigo Blankenshipn/a3
1​
9.5​
3.17​
13​
PK Graham Gano93
3​
40.8​
13.60​
1​
TD Washington Commanders144
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TD Chicago Bears143
0​
0​
0.00​
20​
TD Seattle Seahawks113
5​
36​
12.00​
2​

Now he's got me worried about relying on Goff week 7 against Dallas... fingers crossed I make it past that.

The fact that two of my kickers are in the top 5 in PP$ makes me wonder about if that's actually the best metric, but it definitely shows good info for non-kickers/D. Seattle has tied with other defenses a few times, but I've just taken their score every time.

Very happy that I invested so much in TE with Kelce and Ertz, been a flex score every week from that pair.

I'm still holding out hope that Ettiene, Mooney, Renfrow, and Juju start contributing more. I'm not holding out hope for Watkins being a value pick when he gets back. And I never want to see a player get injured, but Dalvin Cook's injury history is too real, and Mattison puts up absurd numbers when Cook goes down. And also hoping that Courtland can continue to produce solid PPR numbers even with Wilson playing hurt...

With this being my first year, I was surprised to see the stats on the size of teams with the highest survival being between 23 and 28. I felt like I passed up a lot of the top players to make my roster larger, but I've only got 22 players.
Without the benefit of hindsight, I like every pick you made except Watkins. It's been clear for a couple seasons now that he's a part time player. The best description I ever saw for him was on Reddit, he's basically a one week legend ninja. He assassinates a secondary once, then throws down a smoke bomb and disappears the rest of the season.

I think one of the only reasons he is still in the league is because he is an elite blocker. But that doesn't help us here. Plus the Packers already had a seasoned vet with similar stats in Cobb. What you are seeing with Mooney and JuJu, there's still some hope. And you crushed the TE group. Great work there.
 
Pondering if there is some sort of way I can figure a value over replacement to refine the metrics I used but I still think it is an interesting format. I'd I had more time I might be able to tease something out of full data but I just don't.

But from an absolutist standpoint how many points a guy gives you surely matters.

-QG
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
right and my point was that in a discussion about knox it doesnt make a lot of sense to be like 'see...all these other guys at the same price suck too.' thats all i was trying to convey.

it seems pretty clear to me that by far the best te strat for this contest is either the double elite te or the pupu platter of low priced guys. those mid range guys are just so disappointing, kinda like in drafts this year where the obvious play was either kelce, mandews, pitts in the 1st couple rounds or wait for the late friermuth/njioku/irv tier.

this could all jsut be recency bias on my part though.

Since you can never really count on TDs, what I look for when shopping TEs is VOLUME. With this contest awarding 1.5 PPR for TEs, I think that's the most important indicator of a good choice at TE. Touchdowns are icing on the cake. You have to believe that guys like Kelce are always going to get their share of TDs in addition to having high volume. But when shopping TEs in general, I think you have to lean toward guys that get a lot of targets, and the resulting receptions and yards, and focus on the ones who usually get yards to go along with the volume. Tyler Higbee is a perfect example of this. ZERO touchdowns, yet 33 receptions for 290 yards, and 78.5 fantasy points in this contest. That's a great value for $10 cap, and if he starts getting TDs, it's icing on the cake and he'll probalby finish in the top 5 for the season. I had him on one of my earlier roster iterations before I submitted my final one. I wish I had him now.
I agree and I love Higbee, one of my favorite players at TE. But he has only finished in the top 10 once in his career (#8) playing in this system the entire time. And aside from his rookie year, he's averaging a career low yds per target (similar situation as Kelce) and it's well below his peak 2019 season. What does that tell us? This level of targets is not going to continue because it's not leading to wins in real life. He is the safety valve when every other non-Kupp player is not getting open. I would expect that McVay is going to be forced to overhaul his schemes to get those other players open, even getting the RBs more involved in the passing game, because dumping off to Higbee isn't resulting in points scored. Even at 2-3. the Rams have scored the fewest points in the NFC and are bottom 5 overall. Higbee has zero TDs. They have to get other playmakers involved. I might be totally wrong here, but I expect McVay will revert back to a higher rate of play action which means Higbee will start blocking more and have fewer routes run.
 
More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun UPDATED 10/14/22 @ 9:31pm

We now have 21 teams attending the party. Here's the leaderboard ONLY in terms of average score per week. Please bear in mind that there are no real leaders and we are all exactly equal no mater what our scores are. Points only count if you make it to week 14. The object of this game is not to score the most points, but rather to survive past week 14.

188.93 apalmer
179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
174.11 Ackme
173.17 Irelad
172.73 RustyColts
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.45 Scottybo
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
163.61 formerfourdigit
162.97 BassNBrew
162.33 ChurchOfIggyPop
160.19 Joey
159.54 69ers
153.70 Stubby
152.33 Nittany Lion
152.29 Rock Action

If your team is not listed here and you would like it to be, let me know your team name.


Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !
 
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As I'm not a mind reader, I can't speak for what anyone else was thinking when they constructed their roosters...but I'm going to conjecture that at least 3/4 of entries into this Subscriber's Contest (emphasizing 'Subscriber's) performed a well-above average amount of pre-Season Player research as part of their process, as one would expect people who pay for a subscription to a FF Service would do. As a High Stakes National Contest player who's been competing in tournaments since the inaugural WCOFF, and devotes an absurd amount of time and energy into such research, everything I studied about McVay's Rams pass offense tendencies led to the conclusion that the majority of the receiving offense ran through WR1 (Kupp) and WR2 (for 2022, ARob), and that both the TE, and RB's were relatively low-volume options, probably not worth investing in for generating significant receiving statistics. While I'd like to think my process is somewhat unique, I'm not dumb enough to actually believe that, and as much info as I look at, I take the jaded view that everyone else in that 3/4 of entries is probably looking at at least 90% of the same stuff, and drawing most of the same conclusions. Based on the available research at the time, I believe most everyone harvesting points from Higbee in this contest (of which I am NOT one of), did not expect to be enjoying the windfall they are receiving (no pun intended), and consider themselves lucky to be doing so. IMHO, 2022 Higbee is an anomaly, primarily due to the Rams failure to acknowledge or address how big of a loss Andrew Whitworth was, and the subsequent rash of injuries that took the Rams O-Line from a preseason Bitonti ranking of 21st, down to the high 20's - low 30's in his weekly iterations. Stafford's arm is bothering him, he has no time to get settled and make reads, and is saturating targets towards what he's most familiar with: Kupp/Higbee. Defenses are giving him them between the 20s, and taking them away in the Red Zone, and sadly (for Rams fans and Stafford/ARob Owners, at least), there's no end in sight.

I agree with Puppies that value/$ for TE lies in utilization, volume, whatever term you want to use. Some combo of predicted snap share/target share/receptions first, followed by predicted ypr, yprr, adot, and best guess on TD's, which one can try and draw some educated guesses from overall Team skill position personnel physical attributes combined with Red Zone philosophy...maybe.

...but I'd be very surprised if anyone were to say they roostered Higbee with this sort of production in mind. Getting to the final bracket of this Contest is crazy challenging, and obviously requires the good fortune to receive some lucky breaks along the way. Geno Smith? Josh Jacobs? Congratulations to those who's luck factor includes the Higbee windfall!
 
The target rate for Higbee certainly higher than I anticipated but I did anticipate him regularly having his points count during the year. Seemed like value at the price and I like to get a couple guys in that zone.
-QG
 
"Then I turned around and went extra heavy with Pitts and Goedert - ballooning the budget at the position to $50. Ultimately that seemed a bit too high. Decided Pitts being the cheapest of the triumvirate of 3 true studs at the position was the guy to keep and dialed it back to Higbee who seems to have a lot of good ink."

From my original breakdown post of my rooster
-QG
 
As I'm not a mind reader, I can't speak for what anyone else was thinking when they constructed their roosters...but I'm going to conjecture that at least 3/4 of entries into this Subscriber's Contest (emphasizing 'Subscriber's) performed a well-above average amount of pre-Season Player research as part of their process, as one would expect people who pay for a subscription to a FF Service would do. As a High Stakes National Contest player who's been competing in tournaments since the inaugural WCOFF, and devotes an absurd amount of time and energy into such research, everything I studied about McVay's Rams pass offense tendencies led to the conclusion that the majority of the receiving offense ran through WR1 (Kupp) and WR2 (for 2022, ARob), and that both the TE, and RB's were relatively low-volume options, probably not worth investing in for generating significant receiving statistics. While I'd like to think my process is somewhat unique, I'm not dumb enough to actually believe that, and as much info as I look at, I take the jaded view that everyone else in that 3/4 of entries is probably looking at at least 90% of the same stuff, and drawing most of the same conclusions. Based on the available research at the time, I believe most everyone harvesting points from Higbee in this contest (of which I am NOT one of), did not expect to be enjoying the windfall they are receiving (no pun intended), and consider themselves lucky to be doing so. IMHO, 2022 Higbee is an anomaly, primarily due to the Rams failure to acknowledge or address how big of a loss Andrew Whitworth was, and the subsequent rash of injuries that took the Rams O-Line from a preseason Bitonti ranking of 21st, down to the high 20's - low 30's in his weekly iterations. Stafford's arm is bothering him, he has no time to get settled and make reads, and is saturating targets towards what he's most familiar with: Kupp/Higbee. Defenses are giving him them between the 20s, and taking them away in the Red Zone, and sadly (for Rams fans and Stafford/ARob Owners, at least), there's no end in sight.

I agree with Puppies that value/$ for TE lies in utilization, volume, whatever term you want to use. Some combo of predicted snap share/target share/receptions first, followed by predicted ypr, yprr, adot, and best guess on TD's, which one can try and draw some educated guesses from overall Team skill position personnel physical attributes combined with Red Zone philosophy...maybe.

...but I'd be very surprised if anyone were to say they roostered Higbee with this sort of production in mind. Getting to the final bracket of this Contest is crazy challenging, and obviously requires the good fortune to receive some lucky breaks along the way. Geno Smith? Josh Jacobs? Congratulations to those who's luck factor includes the Higbee windfall!
I got a free subscription from the Father's Day dad joke contest, so I'm just happy to be here, lmao!!!
 
As I'm not a mind reader, I can't speak for what anyone else was thinking when they constructed their roosters...but I'm going to conjecture that at least 3/4 of entries into this Subscriber's Contest (emphasizing 'Subscriber's) performed a well-above average amount of pre-Season Player research as part of their process, as one would expect people who pay for a subscription to a FF Service would do. As a High Stakes National Contest player who's been competing in tournaments since the inaugural WCOFF, and devotes an absurd amount of time and energy into such research, everything I studied about McVay's Rams pass offense tendencies led to the conclusion that the majority of the receiving offense ran through WR1 (Kupp) and WR2 (for 2022, ARob), and that both the TE, and RB's were relatively low-volume options, probably not worth investing in for generating significant receiving statistics. While I'd like to think my process is somewhat unique, I'm not dumb enough to actually believe that, and as much info as I look at, I take the jaded view that everyone else in that 3/4 of entries is probably looking at at least 90% of the same stuff, and drawing most of the same conclusions. Based on the available research at the time, I believe most everyone harvesting points from Higbee in this contest (of which I am NOT one of), did not expect to be enjoying the windfall they are receiving (no pun intended), and consider themselves lucky to be doing so. IMHO, 2022 Higbee is an anomaly, primarily due to the Rams failure to acknowledge or address how big of a loss Andrew Whitworth was, and the subsequent rash of injuries that took the Rams O-Line from a preseason Bitonti ranking of 21st, down to the high 20's - low 30's in his weekly iterations. Stafford's arm is bothering him, he has no time to get settled and make reads, and is saturating targets towards what he's most familiar with: Kupp/Higbee. Defenses are giving him them between the 20s, and taking them away in the Red Zone, and sadly (for Rams fans and Stafford/ARob Owners, at least), there's no end in sight.

I agree with Puppies that value/$ for TE lies in utilization, volume, whatever term you want to use. Some combo of predicted snap share/target share/receptions first, followed by predicted ypr, yprr, adot, and best guess on TD's, which one can try and draw some educated guesses from overall Team skill position personnel physical attributes combined with Red Zone philosophy...maybe.

...but I'd be very surprised if anyone were to say they roostered Higbee with this sort of production in mind. Getting to the final bracket of this Contest is crazy challenging, and obviously requires the good fortune to receive some lucky breaks along the way. Geno Smith? Josh Jacobs? Congratulations to those who's luck factor includes the Higbee windfall!

well said. imo higbee was not a great pick. wrong process, right results. but thats just based on my research.
 
Seemed like value at the price and I like to get a couple guys in that zone.
-QG

did he though? 5 targets a game, not a lot of red zone usage to begin with and they added a guy that looked like he would draw most of the non-kupp end zone targets. agree with @nittanylion here, not exactly sure what was screaming value to you.
 
Yeah I mean look at the other TE you could have picked for $14, kmet, gesicki, irv smith. Knox is still the best choice.
you know you dont have to take a $14 te, right?

also, i might take irv over him going forward. it would depend on the rest of my team probably. knox is such a double-edged sword. he can certainly win you this tournament in the playoff weeks, but hes likely not going to do a lot to get you there in the first place.
Yeah agreed I didn't take any $14 TE either. But my point was if you didn't pick the $30 or $28 TE, the rest of the choices all the way down the list have been wildly inconsistent for the most part.
right and my point was that in a discussion about knox it doesnt make a lot of sense to be like 'see...all these other guys at the same price suck too.' thats all i was trying to convey.

it seems pretty clear to me that by far the best te strat for this contest is either the double elite te or the pupu platter of low priced guys. those mid range guys are just so disappointing, kinda like in drafts this year where the obvious play was either kelce, mandews, pitts in the 1st couple rounds or wait for the late friermuth/njioku/irv tier.

this could all jsut be recency bias on my part though.

Since you can never really count on TDs, what I look for when shopping TEs is VOLUME. With this contest awarding 1.5 PPR for TEs, I think that's the most important indicator of a good choice at TE. Touchdowns are icing on the cake. You have to believe that guys like Kelce are always going to get their share of TDs in addition to having high volume. But when shopping TEs in general, I think you have to lean toward guys that get a lot of targets, and the resulting receptions and yards, and focus on the ones who usually get yards to go along with the volume. Tyler Higbee is a perfect example of this. ZERO touchdowns, yet 33 receptions for 290 yards, and 78.5 fantasy points in this contest. That's a great value for $10 cap, and if he starts getting TDs, it's icing on the cake and he'll probalby finish in the top 5 for the season. I had him on one of my earlier roster iterations before I submitted my final one. I wish I had him now.
I agree and I love Higbee, one of my favorite players at TE. But he has only finished in the top 10 once in his career (#8) playing in this system the entire time. And aside from his rookie year, he's averaging a career low yds per target (similar situation as Kelce) and it's well below his peak 2019 season. What does that tell us? This level of targets is not going to continue because it's not leading to wins in real life. He is the safety valve when every other non-Kupp player is not getting open. I would expect that McVay is going to be forced to overhaul his schemes to get those other players open, even getting the RBs more involved in the passing game, because dumping off to Higbee isn't resulting in points scored. Even at 2-3. the Rams have scored the fewest points in the NFC and are bottom 5 overall. Higbee has zero TDs. They have to get other playmakers involved. I might be totally wrong here, but I expect McVay will revert back to a higher rate of play action which means Higbee will start blocking more and have fewer routes run.

the idea that mcvay will magically overhaul everything and fix this (and immediately nonetheless) seems ambitious to me to say the least. at least for the foreseeable future. i think his targets will be secure for a while.
 
"Nail Biters" A few more tid-bits from the statistical trivia department...

We've all had times when we were shaking in our boots wondering if we were going to score enough points to stay alive in a given week in this contest. Speaking for myself, there have been several times in the last few weeks when I found myself rooting for some of you to stay alive when you were below the cut line heading into Monday night. As I've said before, I look at this contest like a golf match, where it's us against the course rather than each of us against each other. And it's more fun if we all somehow make it to the finals and get to talk about it with each other all the way there. I've enjoyed hearing everyone's perspective on different aspects of this contest and I've benefited from it as well. I also can identify with the person (I forgot who wrote it) that some of you speak in terms above my own football vocabulary. :ponder:

So here is a list of what I refer to as the "nail biters" year to date. These are the instances where some of us barely made the cut in a given week.

Week 1: Rock Action made it by 3.30 points, formerfourdigit made it by just 0.70 points !!
Week 4: TheWinz made it by 1.65 points, Mister CIA fan made it by 1.75 points, ChurchOfIggyPop made it by 2.80 points, and Galileo made it by 3.35 points (but didn't survive week 5)
 
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But when shopping TEs in general, I think you have to lean toward guys that get a lot of targets, and the resulting receptions and yards, and focus on the ones who usually get yards to go along with the volume. Tyler Higbee is a perfect example of this.

5 targets per game last year with minimal red zone usage and they brought in arob to presumably be the end zone target guy. did you have reason to believe hed double his target number this season?
 
More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun

Of the guys who regularly post in this forum, (and whose teams I've been able to identify), here are the the top 10 teams in terms of average score per week:

179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
wow im shocked im that high on the list. seems like ive been sweating the turk every week except 2 weeks ago lol.
 

Knox could still be useful this year. It is only week 6, and the Bills are a very good offense.
just ftr, and please dont respond to this post so it can die, but youre arguing for knox like i said hes trash or something. heres what ive actually said about knox itt:

1. his low target share and high td rate make him an extremely high variance play.
2. hes the type of player who could win you a contest like this if you can survive to the playoffs fighting through his floor games.
3. FOR ME hes far too risky as a te1in a te-premium survivor-style contest. especially if im only taking 2 total te.

thats all. obviously i get wanting an explosive piece of the bills offense, im not disagreeing with that. obviously if you want to take him, its fine, just not exactly my style in this contest. obviously he can still be great the rest of the season if he gets healthy.
 
But when shopping TEs in general, I think you have to lean toward guys that get a lot of targets, and the resulting receptions and yards, and focus on the ones who usually get yards to go along with the volume. Tyler Higbee is a perfect example of this.

5 targets per game last year with minimal red zone usage and they brought in arob to presumably be the end zone target guy. did you have reason to believe hed double his target number this season?
Obviously I did not see it coming, or else Higbee would be on my roster. I was just saying that he was a perfect example that volume TEs can amass a lot of points even if they don't score many TDs. I wish I had Higbee on my roster, but unfortunately I don't.

I had a hunch that Hayden Hurst and Even Ingram might outplay their cap numbers, so I rostered both of them rather than trying to fit the slighly pricer Higbee under the cap. Like everyone, I was strapped for cash when I was finanlizing my lineup.
 
As I'm not a mind reader, I can't speak for what anyone else was thinking when they constructed their roosters...but I'm going to conjecture that at least 3/4 of entries into this Subscriber's Contest (emphasizing 'Subscriber's) performed a well-above average amount of pre-Season Player research as part of their process, as one would expect people who pay for a subscription to a FF Service would do. As a High Stakes National Contest player who's been competing in tournaments since the inaugural WCOFF, and devotes an absurd amount of time and energy into such research, everything I studied about McVay's Rams pass offense tendencies led to the conclusion that the majority of the receiving offense ran through WR1 (Kupp) and WR2 (for 2022, ARob), and that both the TE, and RB's were relatively low-volume options, probably not worth investing in for generating significant receiving statistics. While I'd like to think my process is somewhat unique, I'm not dumb enough to actually believe that, and as much info as I look at, I take the jaded view that everyone else in that 3/4 of entries is probably looking at at least 90% of the same stuff, and drawing most of the same conclusions. Based on the available research at the time, I believe most everyone harvesting points from Higbee in this contest (of which I am NOT one of), did not expect to be enjoying the windfall they are receiving (no pun intended), and consider themselves lucky to be doing so. IMHO, 2022 Higbee is an anomaly, primarily due to the Rams failure to acknowledge or address how big of a loss Andrew Whitworth was, and the subsequent rash of injuries that took the Rams O-Line from a preseason Bitonti ranking of 21st, down to the high 20's - low 30's in his weekly iterations. Stafford's arm is bothering him, he has no time to get settled and make reads, and is saturating targets towards what he's most familiar with: Kupp/Higbee. Defenses are giving him them between the 20s, and taking them away in the Red Zone, and sadly (for Rams fans and Stafford/ARob Owners, at least), there's no end in sight.

I agree with Puppies that value/$ for TE lies in utilization, volume, whatever term you want to use. Some combo of predicted snap share/target share/receptions first, followed by predicted ypr, yprr, adot, and best guess on TD's, which one can try and draw some educated guesses from overall Team skill position personnel physical attributes combined with Red Zone philosophy...maybe.

...but I'd be very surprised if anyone were to say they roostered Higbee with this sort of production in mind. Getting to the final bracket of this Contest is crazy challenging, and obviously requires the good fortune to receive some lucky breaks along the way. Geno Smith? Josh Jacobs? Congratulations to those who's luck factor includes the Higbee windfall!
If we go back to 2017-2020, the Rams led the league in play action rate. They moved to more spread formations with Stafford. but I think McVay is going to dial up more play action from here. Which means Higbee goes back to blocking more, way more. Play action was a crutch for Goff in the same way the Falcons heavily utilize it as a crutch for Mariota. But Stafford needs a crutch now too.
 
More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun

Of the guys who regularly post in this forum, (and whose teams I've been able to identify), here are the the top 10 teams in terms of average score per week:

179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.19 Mister CIA Fan

If your team is not listed here and would be in the top 10, it means I do not know your team name. If you'd like to be added to the list, let me know your team name.


I'm envious when I see the player combinations on some of these rosters. And I agree with TwinTurbo, that Irelad crushed it at TE

Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !
At the risk of jinxing my further survival in the contest, team High Octane 188.93
 
More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun UPDATED 10/13/22 @ 5:19pm

Of the guys who regularly post in this forum, (and whose teams I've been able to identify), here are the the top 15 teams in terms of average score per week:

188.93 apalmer
179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
163.61 formerfourdigit
162.97 BassNBrew
162.33 ChurchOfIggyPop
160.19 Joey

If your team is not listed here and would be in the top 15, it means I do not know your team name. If you'd like to be added to the list, let me know your team name.

I'm envious when I see the player combinations on some of these rosters. And I agree with TwinTurbo, that Irelad crushed it at TE

Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !
Several teams added; Now top 15
 
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More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun UPDATED 10/13/22 @ 5:19pm

Of the guys who regularly post in this forum, (and whose teams I've been able to identify), here are the the top 15 teams in terms of average score per week:

188.93 apalmer
179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
163.61 formerfourdigit
162.97 BassNBrew
162.33 ChurchOfIggyPop
160.19 Joey

If your team is not listed here and would be in the top 15, it means I do not know your team name. If you'd like to be added to the list, let me know your team name.


I'm envious when I see the player combinations on some of these rosters. And I agree with TwinTurbo, that Irelad crushed it at TE

Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !

Entry 104551​

WEEK 1WEEK 2WEEK 3WEEK 4WEEK 5AVG
TOTAL179.05186.6178.85173.65152.4174.11

Not sure if I qualify as a regular poster but I am a regular lurker for sure.
 
Week 6 has another 20% cut. Starting with 5726 teams, right around 1145 will be eliminated. Kicking off Thursday Night with WAS/CHI.

QB - Fields (475), Wentz (111)
Fields started as the 9th most common QB, but his 38.18% survival rate has dropped him to 13th. How bad has Fields been for this contest? 4 other QB's have doubled him. He has as many completions as Cooper Kupp has receptions. He has 7 points more than kicker Daniel Carlson. He is being outscored by 10 RB's, 19 WR's, and 5 TE's. Carson Wentz has been awesome as a 2nd or 3rd QB option. He has 3 games over 30, and 2 complete duds. He was quite rare as the 29th most common QB. Only 4 teams remain with both Fields and Wentz, so 582 rosters will get some sort of QB score.

RB - Herbert (593), Robinson (417), McKissic (158), Montgomery (95), Gibson (79)
Most assumed Montgomery and Gibson were bad value, as they ranked 61st and 63rd most common. McKissic is RB4 in catches, but has yet to put up a double digit game. Herbert is averaging 2 YPC more than Montgomery. Tonight's game will be fun to watch, to see how Brian Robinson can handle a full load.

WR - Dotson (334), Mooney (319), McLaurin (304), Samuel (138), Jones (79), Pringle (22)
Dotson has been ruled out, and Pringle is on IR. Mooney, the most common WR that will be playing, is only on 5.6% of the remaining teams. He has been a colossal waste of $17 as WR77. McLaurin was WR25 in pricing and is currently WR31, so that ain't bad I guess. Samuel has been a steal so far... he's 2 spots away from being a WR1! Velus has a cool first name and is tied for the team lead in TD catches, but he only has 1 catch for 9 yards.

TE - Kmet (666), Thomas (122)
Kind of ironic that there are 666 Kmet owners left, huh? There are 32 NFL teams, and he has managed to be TE35. After 2 goose eggs, at least he has put up numbers the last 3 weeks. He needs more than 4 targets. Thomas has been ruled out, so all the TE scoring will be done by Cole.

K - Santos (203), Slye (31)
These guys were so rare... how rare were they? They were so rare, IR'ed kicker Zane Gonzalez was rostered by more. Cairo has 2 good weeks, but Slye is a dud.

D - CHI (347), WAS (170)
The Bears have been middle of the pack, but the Redskins (yes, I refuse to call them that other name) are D31, with a high week of only 5 points.
 
More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun UPDATED 10/13/22 @ 5:19pm

Of the guys who regularly post in this forum, (and whose teams I've been able to identify), here are the the top 15 teams in terms of average score per week:

188.93 apalmer
179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
163.61 formerfourdigit
162.97 BassNBrew
162.33 ChurchOfIggyPop
160.19 Joey

If your team is not listed here and would be in the top 15, it means I do not know your team name. If you'd like to be added to the list, let me know your team name.


I'm envious when I see the player combinations on some of these rosters. And I agree with TwinTurbo, that Irelad crushed it at TE

Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !
Several teams added; Now top 15
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165.45
 
More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun UPDATED 10/13/22 @ 8:28pm

We now have 20 teams attending the party. Here's the leaderboard ONLY in terms of average score per week. Please bear in mind that there are no real leaders and we are all exactly equal no mater what our scores are. Points only count if you make it to week 14. The object of this game is not to score the most points, but rather to survive past week 14.

188.93 apalmer
179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
174.11 Ackme
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.45 Entry #107844
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
163.61 formerfourdigit
162.97 BassNBrew
162.33 ChurchOfIggyPop
160.19 Joey
159.54 69ers
153.70 Stubby
152.29 Rock Action

If your team is not listed here and you would like it to be, let me know your team name.

I'm envious when I see the player combinations on some of these rosters. And I agree with TwinTurbo, that Irelad crushed it at TE

Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !

Just updated...........
 
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More statistical Trivia..... Just for fun UPDATED 10/13/22 @ 8:28pm

We now have 20 teams attending the party. Here's the leaderboard ONLY in terms of average score per week. Please bear in mind that there are no real leaders and we are all exactly equal no mater what our scores are. Points only count if you make it to week 14. The object of this game is not to score the most points, but rather to survive past week 14.

188.93 apalmer
179.67 Saint
179.15 The Stray Doug
178.94 QuizGuy66
176.20 Sooted72
174.11 Ackme
173.17 Irelad
172.73 TheWinz
170.59 Puppies (Me)
168.54 MikesVikes
168.39 Hot Sauce Guy
165.45 Entry #107844
165.19 Mister CIA Fan
163.61 formerfourdigit
162.97 BassNBrew
162.33 ChurchOfIggyPop
160.19 Joey
159.54 69ers
153.70 Stubby
152.29 Rock Action

If your team is not listed here and you would like it to be, let me know your team name.


I'm envious when I see the player combinations on some of these rosters. And I agree with TwinTurbo, that Irelad crushed it at TE

Good Luck to everyone in week 6 !
Can I play?

IAMBUTTUGLY​

These results are: officially official

This entry survived week 5


Week 5​

QB Josh Allen - $2548.40
QB Davis Mills - $77.20
RB James Conner - $266.80
RB Nick Chubb - $2425.40
RB A.J. Dillon - $203.40
RB Michael Carter - $1216.30
RB Dameon Pierce - $1018.80
WR Mike Evans - $2512.10
WR Allen Lazard - $1213.50
WR D.J. Chark - $70.00
WR Cedrick Wilson - $34.00
WR Olamide Zaccheaus - $311.90
WR Jauan Jennings - $36.50
WR Velus Jones - $37.90
WR James Proche - $31.70
WR Dee Eskridge - $30.00
TE Mark Andrews - $2826.90
TE Darren Waller - $210.00
PK Greg Zuerlein - $38.40
PK Rodrigo Blankenship - $30.00
PK Cairo Santos - $315.40
TD Jacksonville Jaguars - $31.00
TD Minnesota Vikings - $34.00
TOTAL192.70
CUT LINE139.80
 
Week 6 has another 20% cut. Starting with 5726 teams, right around 1145 will be eliminated. Kicking off Thursday Night with WAS/CHI.

QB - Fields (475 - 23.30), Wentz (111 - 5.15)
RB - Herbert (593 - 7.50), Robinson (417 - 12.00), McKissic (158 - 2.00), Montgomery (95 - 8.50), Gibson (79 - 6.80)
WR - Mooney (319 - 13.80), McLaurin (304 - 8.20), Samuel (138 - 2.60), Jones (79 - 2.80)
TE - Kmet (666 - 3.00)
K - Santos (203 - 1.00), Slye (31 - 6.80)
D - CHI (347 - 3.00), WAS (170 - 9.00)

No monster scores from anyone, and the most common guy (Kmet) put up another dud. Fields saved his week with 1 pass and 1 run. Mooney gets his 2nd double digit game, and Robinson reaches the end zone. Washington finally gets a good game from the D.
 
Week 6 has another 20% cut. Starting with 5726 teams, right around 1145 will be eliminated. Kicking off Thursday Night with WAS/CHI.

QB - Fields (475 - 23.30), Wentz (111 - 5.15)
RB - Herbert (593 - 7.50), Robinson (417 - 12.00), McKissic (158 - 2.00), Montgomery (95 - 8.50), Gibson (79 - 6.80)
WR - Mooney (319 - 13.80), McLaurin (304 - 8.20), Samuel (138 - 2.60), Jones (79 - 2.80)
TE - Kmet (666 - 3.00)
K - Santos (203 - 1.00), Slye (31 - 6.80)
D - CHI (347 - 3.00), WAS (170 - 9.00)

No monster scores from anyone, and the most common guy (Kmet) put up another dud. Fields saved his week with 1 pass and 1 run. Mooney gets his 2nd double digit game, and Robinson reaches the end zone. Washington finally gets a good game from the D.
Perfect time for Robinson to return for me with Edmonds taking the proverbial dump.
 

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