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And put me in the controversial camp of let Waller play out this contract. If he stays healthy and balls out, then pay him. I think it’s a mistake to pay the guy now.
Im assuming they want to keep that receiving nucleus intact , its the strongest area of the entire team,something they can build off of
And there was a lot of success in NE with good TE's
i would have this stance regardless of who the coach is/was. until i see him back on the field and have more than 10 tds, he can wait on "resetting the TE market" to use your NE reference, gronk had at least 8 td's in every year in NE except the last year and injury years. he had double digit tds 5 times! add in the murderer was on the team as well. waller had 3, 9, 2 (injury year). IMHO he is over hyped. he's very good, but not deserving of the highest TE salary in the league. plus renfrow and adams are going to get their fair share of targets. gruden ain't running the show anymore. we won't see any more 19 target games for waller.
 
Raiders already have 18 RBs on the active roster.
I didn't say I thought they would ;) He looked better to me than Brown did or that Bolden will contribute but God forbid we cut a Ziegler guy.
here we go!!! they haven't even played a game and Z sucks already. :lmao: love ya hank! i thought the ALW pick was stupid from the get go. i hated nearly everything gruden did. i'm gonna give these dudes a game or 2 before i start calling them out. :coffee:
 
Who is Marcus mosher? The raiders don’t need a wr. At all. i‘ve never heard of the other guys. I’m really hoping they can duplicate last years perryman and big E pick ups.
He didn't say they needed one, he said if they want to add one. Tyler Johnson has some talent but I knew the writing was on the wall when he dropped that pass in the 1st Q in the PS3 game. He's had a couple drops like that where Brady gets that look that you just know means "you're dead to me" ala Ronald Jones. 7 DT and 5 DE are too many DL to carry (and I don't like 4 TE either, especially those donkeys). We only have 5 WR and those are very suspect after the two starters. Johnson would be a great get IMO.

Should also take OJ Howard for a spin.
Heard Howard is an inch away from signing with Cincy.
I agree with your take on Tyler Johnson as well as too many TE's and heavy on DL. Though my thinking is that Graham wants the heavy DL to be able to have the flexibility in game planning much like how McDaniels goes heavy on the RB's. I think the extra TE's is really for the ST group. But I am still concerned that our weakest part of our team is also light on bodies. Tyler is a nice to have but if we are going to eject someone from the 53 it needs to be to make room for a OL addition.
 
And put me in the controversial camp of let Waller play out this contract. If he stays healthy and balls out, then pay him. I think it’s a mistake to pay the guy now.
100% agree. You wanna draw a line in the sand? Don't pay guys just because they puff up their chest. Waller's almost 30 and has two year on his contract. Davante Adams is a bulletproof investment. Hunter Renfro looks like an Apple Store clerk but went out and earned $30M. Carr was going into the final year of a contract that he outperformed. That's who we pay.
I don't have a problem paying Waller. He has been underpaid for quite some time and has never complained and always showed up and been a good teammate. I think paying a guy like this sends a good message.
he's older than you want. he's had 2 great seasons. he's hurt. again. prove it this year at least.
With not nearly the same amount of mileage as someone his age would normally have thanks to his early substance issues that saw him nearly gone from the NFL for ever.
 
And put me in the controversial camp of let Waller play out this contract. If he stays healthy and balls out, then pay him. I think it’s a mistake to pay the guy now.
Im assuming they want to keep that receiving nucleus intact , its the strongest area of the entire team,something they can build off of
And there was a lot of success in NE with good TE's
i would have this stance regardless of who the coach is/was. until i see him back on the field and have more than 10 tds, he can wait on "resetting the TE market" to use your NE reference, gronk had at least 8 td's in every year in NE except the last year and injury years. he had double digit tds 5 times! add in the murderer was on the team as well. waller had 3, 9, 2 (injury year). IMHO he is over hyped. he's very good, but not deserving of the highest TE salary in the league. plus renfrow and adams are going to get their fair share of targets. gruden ain't running the show anymore. we won't see any more 19 target games for waller.
Meh... he was out best target on offense for most of his career and got the defensive attention. Now with Adams on and Renfrow growing into his position at his level, Waller is that piece that creates mismatches all over the place. Are you going to double Adams... ok.... double Waller... ok.... both can defeat doubles and you just let Renfrow with one on one... or Hollins etc. You are going to have someone match up Waller one on one? HA HA HA HA HA HA TD.... you are going to have someone match up man to man on Adams? HA HA HA HA HA HA TD.
 

So someone said no twice?

I still call BS.
I don't care about the conditional 7th they missed out on, do you?

Normally I wouldn't but after seeing what McZ collected this year in the 7th round and UDFA, I'm counting every draft pick with more value than ever before. Someone in this front office is either extremely lucky or has an eye for draft sleepers.
 
And put me in the controversial camp of let Waller play out this contract. If he stays healthy and balls out, then pay him. I think it’s a mistake to pay the guy now.
Im assuming they want to keep that receiving nucleus intact , its the strongest area of the entire team,something they can build off of
And there was a lot of success in NE with good TE's
i would have this stance regardless of who the coach is/was. until i see him back on the field and have more than 10 tds, he can wait on "resetting the TE market" to use your NE reference, gronk had at least 8 td's in every year in NE except the last year and injury years. he had double digit tds 5 times! add in the murderer was on the team as well. waller had 3, 9, 2 (injury year). IMHO he is over hyped. he's very good, but not deserving of the highest TE salary in the league. plus renfrow and adams are going to get their fair share of targets. gruden ain't running the show anymore. we won't see any more 19 target games for waller.
Meh... he was out best target on offense for most of his career and got the defensive attention. Now with Adams on and Renfrow growing into his position at his level, Waller is that piece that creates mismatches all over the place. Are you going to double Adams... ok.... double Waller... ok.... both can defeat doubles and you just let Renfrow with one on one... or Hollins etc. You are going to have someone match up Waller one on one? HA HA HA HA HA HA TD.... you are going to have someone match up man to man on Adams? HA HA HA HA HA HA TD.
most of his career? all 2+ years? you want to max out this guy based on what? a year that he got 145 targets? i'm not saying that he's not good. i'm saying they don't need to "reset" the TE market. he's under contract for 2 more years. let him prove that he's not breaking down and is the stud you think he is. THEN pay him.

CHAD, I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT PAYING HIM MAX MONEY. I THINK HE'S A GOOD PLAYER :lmao: this is a joke. not meant as anything else.
 
Raiders already have 18 RBs on the active roster.
I didn't say I thought they would ;) He looked better to me than Brown did or that Bolden will contribute but God forbid we cut a Ziegler guy.
here we go!!! they haven't even played a game and Z sucks already. :lmao: :coffee:
Not at all what I said.
i was messing with you. i'll try to make it more obvious next time. and you eliminated all of the tongue and cheek bits of my statement in my quote.
 
Whenever somebody says, "this GM sucks, I could do better" I feel like its usually hyperbole, but boy looking back at this Mayock/Gruden era, I 100% think I, and probably almost anyone could have done better, especially in round 1. 6 1st round picks, and they ended up with:

2019: Clelin Ferrell (bust) Josh Jacobs (good but not great RB) Jonathan Abram (below average Safety) all had 5th year option declined
2020: Henry Ruggs (looked ok, at times) Damon Arnette (was awful) both cut due to off field issues
2021: Alex Leatherwood (awful) cut after 1 year

I'm not sure a team has ever gotten less out of 6 consecutive 1st round picks. Every single one was reach at the time other than maybe Ruggs.
Gruden was a disaster. He bragged about only sleeping 4 hours a night and working endless hours. I think he was in the office playing games on his computer because he was certainly not researching for the draft. He couldn’t have missed on more early draft picks if he tried. Be thankful he is gone and enjoy positive tinpmes ahead!
He might have have been writing emails to Bruce Allen....too soon?
 
In general, whether it applies to Leatherwood or not, I think it's a crappy byproduct of regime change that young promising players get sent packing. This is every time with every new staff.

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I hate these moves. They feel like spite moves. Unless ALW and Mullen are literally flinging poo or lighting the locker room on fire you don't just piss away assets like this. We don't have enough talent to be making message moves, we need to be coaching guys up and getting the most out of them.

Hate it.
I kind of feel this way a bit, but not to this extent. Feels a lot like just getting rid of guys because they were part of the last regime. Many new regimes do this though. Leatherwood was a big reach at 17 and I hated the pick at the time, but he was an Outland trophy winner and definitely had some talent. I would have liked to have seen him given a year of coaching with this staff.
The way I see it is McDaniels and Ziegler are building off of what Gruden did right, and ripping the band aid off of where they feel Gruden screwed up.

Anyone else shocked Cle is still on the roster?
Blind homerism IMO. If Gruden had come in and cut Reggie's first rounder from the prior year the pitchforks would have been out in full force. Right or wrong in the long term is irrelevant, 1 year isn't anywhere near long term enough. I don't care how bad the guy is or how much you want to put your own stamp down this isn't how you do it. I'll stipulate that I don't know how the locker room presence was so if he was disruptive I'll be more understanding but otherwise you don't just throw talent away when you believe you're a contender but in reality you don't have the full roster talent to get it done.

Hate it.
Valid point, we don’t know what’s going on in the locker room. Other factors could have contributed to his release along with his poor play on the field. I don’t get the feeling he was a disruptive force in the locker room, too much leadership now for that to happen. But he could have been moping, complaining, maybe not all in on training and studying, who knows…

But Cle Ferrell is still on the roster and he’s basically been invisible for two years. Why is he still on the team and Leatherwood is not? There’s a reason the organization gave up on him (and Mullen) after one year and not Ferrell.
I read somewhere that after one of the preseason games, maybe game 3, that Leatherwood was avoiding the reporters in the locker room like the plague. When he saw a couple of reporters heading his way he rushed out of the locker room and forgot to grab his shoes. He had to come back for them.
 
Josh making examples out of people so everyone knows that nobody's job is safe?
I'm not much of a Josh McDaniels fan and think the way he left Denver and what he did to embarrass Indy by walking away after he accepted their offer was pretty deplorable but we're here and I have confidence in a lot of the pieces assembled and see them being a Playoff contender...despite blowing 6 1st round picks as has been pointed out, none of that a reflection of the current head coach.

When lions go thru a pride takeover, I think you know what happens to the little lion cubs, they're killed or left behind and McDaniels is the new coach and has taken over in Vegas and wants to rid it of as much leftovers from previous folks as possible. maybe he just didn't like Leatherwood and wanted him gone.
I agree with your description, McDaniels comes across a little petty so this is not an unjustified feeling about what has unfolded.
Plenty of other guys to do what with. Ferrell was a top 5 pick, but we also got 3 years of a look at him. He'd be a much better pure example. If Ferrell was putting in good work and effort then maybe that's not the message so you find someone else. The trading of Mullen did exactly this, no need to do it just to make a statement. To me it sounds exactly like what I always tell the young bucks not to do but they do it anyway - "don't make a move just to prove you're <your mentor> version 2". This looks like a guy making a Belichick move just to prove he's Belichick. But we don't want Belichick (well I mean we do but), we want a Raiders Coach and a Raiders GM.

I ran businesses for about 10 years and my main role was to go into a distressed location and turn it around. I frequently did exactly this - but I didn't do it with someone with the kind of potential that ALW had. I found the guy that put out the least effort and expected the most return and that's who I whacked. Next step was to find the people (or inventory, depending on the business unit) and see what had the most potential (for profit) and that was the reclamation focus. This is where ALW should have been categorized, he's a 2nd year player with talent. To be fair I also fired anyone that had any sense of entitlement or resistance to the new way - late, lazy, poor customer relations - and I didn't care how "good" they were. That's why I stipulated that if ALW was a cancer then good riddance. I don't know that part though and I think if it were the case we'd have heard more. If that comes out I'll back down.

ALW has a ton of physical talent. He's got some sloppy *** mechanics and those need fixed. OK great, coach him up. Give him a chance. Bench him, let him have his holy **** moment, and see how he responds. The book on him when he was drafted and the big aftermath was that this was a 5 star kid with 2 star technique that Mayock and Cable thought they could coach up and get up to speed. Not going to get into the merits of that decision but that's what you're left with so make the most of it. I remember walking into a store one day and going over their backroom inventory and complaining to my boss that all they had was a bunch of **** that I couldn't sell and needed a ton of work to fix. He just looked at me blankly for like 5 seconds then got that wry little smile and said "Then get fixing. If this location was a gem you wouldn't be here".
I think Mullen was behind Sin, Averett, and Hobbs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hobbs as one of the starting outside CB's and then move to the slot when three CB's are on the field.
 
No other Las Vegas player cut on Tuesday was claimed by another team and the Raiders did not claim any players. They can sign released players and unclaimed waived players at any time with the offensive line being a likely targeted area. The Raiders can also start adding to the practice squad now.

Nice. Seems like they cut the right guys, ALW potentially notwithstanding.

It is concerning though, that they didn't find any OL prospects to claim. But at least they can get their own guys like Meredith back on the PS to call up, if needed.
They might have put a claim on a player but a higher team in the waiver claim priority might have got him instead.
 
3. This makes it all the more telling that no one would offer even a conditional 7th rounder for ALW, b/c clearly absorbing his contract wasn't the issue. It was his tape (and/or some behind the scenes intel about his character). This makes me feel at least a bit better about the regime moving on from him so soon.
I would love to know how many teams put in a claim for him. That would be very telling to me.

Wonder what priority Chicago had, that would also tell us who didn't put in a claim.
Looks like Chicago was 7th with Jaguaers, Lions, Texans, Jets, Giants, and Panthers ahead of them.
 
I hate these moves. They feel like spite moves. Unless ALW and Mullen are literally flinging poo or lighting the locker room on fire you don't just piss away assets like this. We don't have enough talent to be making message moves, we need to be coaching guys up and getting the most out of them.

Hate it.
I kind of feel this way a bit, but not to this extent. Feels a lot like just getting rid of guys because they were part of the last regime. Many new regimes do this though. Leatherwood was a big reach at 17 and I hated the pick at the time, but he was an Outland trophy winner and definitely had some talent. I would have liked to have seen him given a year of coaching with this staff.
The way I see it is McDaniels and Ziegler are building off of what Gruden did right, and ripping the band aid off of where they feel Gruden screwed up.

Anyone else shocked Cle is still on the roster?
Blind homerism IMO. If Gruden had come in and cut Reggie's first rounder from the prior year the pitchforks would have been out in full force. Right or wrong in the long term is irrelevant, 1 year isn't anywhere near long term enough. I don't care how bad the guy is or how much you want to put your own stamp down this isn't how you do it. I'll stipulate that I don't know how the locker room presence was so if he was disruptive I'll be more understanding but otherwise you don't just throw talent away when you believe you're a contender but in reality you don't have the full roster talent to get it done.

Hate it.
Valid point, we don’t know what’s going on in the locker room. Other factors could have contributed to his release along with his poor play on the field. I don’t get the feeling he was a disruptive force in the locker room, too much leadership now for that to happen. But he could have been moping, complaining, maybe not all in on training and studying, who knows…

But Cle Ferrell is still on the roster and he’s basically been invisible for two years. Why is he still on the team and Leatherwood is not? There’s a reason the organization gave up on him (and Mullen) after one year and not Ferrell.
I read somewhere that after one of the preseason games, maybe game 3, that Leatherwood was avoiding the reporters in the locker room like the plague. When he saw a couple of reporters heading his way he rushed out of the locker room and forgot to grab his shoes. He had to come back for them.
There were rumblings of bad body language type of stuff so this falls into line. I wonder if last year got into his head... like a rookie QB who was hot shot from pee-wee up until they get into the NFL and get rocked... some never come back from it.
 
3. This makes it all the more telling that no one would offer even a conditional 7th rounder for ALW, b/c clearly absorbing his contract wasn't the issue. It was his tape (and/or some behind the scenes intel about his character). This makes me feel at least a bit better about the regime moving on from him so soon.
I would love to know how many teams put in a claim for him. That would be very telling to me.

Wonder what priority Chicago had, that would also tell us who didn't put in a claim.
Looks like Chicago was 7th with Jaguaers, Lions, Texans, Jets, Giants, and Panthers ahead of them.
Chicago claimed half of the leagues waivers.
 
BTW... my son's first game of the season (4th grade). He played most of all snaps on offense (LG) and majority of defense (was DE last year and played DE at the scrimmage last weekend but it looked like they had him at DT today). Had a tackle for a loss, forced fumble and 2 pancakes. The team won 16-0 (no FG, just conversions) and it wasn't that close. It really should have been 24-0 but they shot themselves in the foot a couple of times. He is way quick off the line, so much noticeably than anyone on either team.

It has nothing to do with the Raiders but I thought you guys would like it and would forgive me of a little fatherly boasting.
 
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BTW... my son's first game of the season (4th grade). He played most of all snaps on offense (LG) and majority of defense (was DE last year and played DE at the scrimmage last weekend but it looked like they had him at DT today). Had a loss for tackle, forced fumble and 2 pancakes. The team won 16-0 (no FG, just conversions) and it wasn't that close. It really should have been 24-0 but they shot themselves in the foot a couple of times. He is way quick off the line, so much noticeably than anyone on either team.

It has nothing to do with the Raiders but I thought you would like it and would forgive me of a little fatherly boasting.
Sign him
 

5 players the Raiders should claim on waivers on Wednesday​

Marcus Mosher

OT Chuma Edoga​

Edoga is a former third-round pick by the Jets who needed a change of scenery. He did perform well in the preseason and has experience at both left and right tackle. With Brandon Parker out for the season and Alex Leatherwood off the roster, Edoga could be their swing tackle for the 2022 season.

S/LB Tyler Coyle​

Coyle is an extremely athletic safety/linebacker hybrid who played fantastically in the preseason. He got caught in a numbers crunch in Dallas, but he should be on a 53-man roster. Coyle has special teams experience and can play several different spots on defense.

OL Joe Haeg​

Haeg is far from an exciting player, but he does have a ton of NFL experience. Since 2016, he's appeared in 79 games at both tackle and guard. He would drastically improve the depth on the offensive line for the Raiders.

S Marquise Blair​

The Raiders love to use three safety looks and Blair is a highly versatile defensive back. He was a second-round pick by the Seahawks in the 2019 NFL Draft, but has struggled with injuries. Still, he would be a worthwhile claim considering his upside.

WR Tyler Johnson​

If the Raiders wanted to add another veteran receiver, Tyler Johnson would make a lot of sense. He has experience playing both in the slot and on the outside for the Buccaneers. He's just 24 years old and has two years of solid NFL production under his belt.

I am not sure about any of these guys. I don't know enough of Edoga and Haeg's play to say that would be good additions (but we got to add someone there... no?) Not sure who we got for Coyle and Blair. I actually like Tyler Johnson a lot but I am not willing to cut T-Billy or Turner for him. So... maybe Edoga and the rest is click bait to me.

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In general, whether it applies to Leatherwood or not, I think it's a crappy byproduct of regime change that young promising players get sent packing. This is every time with every new staff.

Shelby Harris and Denico Autry says hi
While we dont agree politically ,i do however agree with basically everything you say about our Raiders as i find your views quite knowledgeable .
 
In general, whether it applies to Leatherwood or not, I think it's a crappy byproduct of regime change that young promising players get sent packing. This is every time with every new staff.

Shelby Harris and Denico Autry says hi
While we dont agree politically ,i do however agree with basically everything you say about our Raiders as i find your views quite knowledgeable .
There are no politics in Raider Nation. There is just Raider Nation.

Al, Madden and Flores are our founding fathers.

The shield is our flag.

Silver and Black our colors.

Autumn Wind is our anthem.

Commitment to Excellence is our Declaration of Independence.

Just Win Baby is our Constitution.

McDaniels is our current President.
 
Example of what I'm talking about, the new staff in NYG bounced Blake Martinez and Logan Ryan.
It didn't even save them money.
 
The removal of players after a new coach/gm take over makes sense on a number of fronts, players skillsets may not fit what the new regime wants to do, there could be vast differences in how they ranked a player coming out of college, or simply they may not be interested in coaching up a player when already busy installing a new system for the entire team. In some cases, it could even be player driven (unlikely with ALW) where they state they want out.

Ugly for fans to have to defend the team decision in a lot of cases. The media loves to beat up on teams and these types of situations.
 
The Raiders tried out veteran LBs Alec Ogletree and Reggie Ragland, who both played for DC Patrick Graham last season. They also tried out DBs TJ Carrie and Jarren Williams.
 
You thinking the Raiders should sign Caleb Jones off the Packers PS?

I have no idea about him other than what Rodgers said in that article. Sounds interesting.
So how does this work? If we sign a player from someone's PS, we have to put them on the active roster, right? Other than having to cut another player, what are the implications of that? Is his contract guaranteed? Does he have to be on the GameDay roster or just the 53?
 
You thinking the Raiders should sign Caleb Jones off the Packers PS?

I have no idea about him other than what Rodgers said in that article. Sounds interesting.
So how does this work? If we sign a player from someone's PS, we have to put them on the active roster, right? Other than having to cut another player, what are the implications of that? Is his contract guaranteed? Does he have to be on the GameDay roster or just the 53?

He's a UDFA, so contract would be like $600k year to year for three years. I think all that would need to happen is they'd need to place him initially on the 53.

Not pounding the table for this dude, but Rodgers was, so it caught my eye given the Raiders' need for OT competiton/depth.
 
He's a UDFA, so contract would be like $600k year to year for three years. I think all that would need to happen is they'd need to place him initially on the 53.

Not pounding the table for this dude, but Rodgers was, so it caught my eye given the Raiders' need for OT competiton/depth.
I'm completely with you, I am happy to throw anything against the wall and see if it sticks. Just curious what the ramifications might be.
 
Browns reportedly signing Haeg.

The lack of bodies, the lack of activity to add to the group and the lack of overwhelming level of play in preseason is puzzling. I can understand the comfort level of Jermaine Eluemunor being that he started for McDaniels in NE at RT and apparently has taken being in shape seriously now but let's say he is sneakedly a lock down RT. If he gets hurt.... we have....? I am not sure I am understanding the plan here.
 
Browns reportedly signing Haeg.

The lack of bodies, the lack of activity to add to the group and the lack of overwhelming level of play in preseason is puzzling. I can understand the comfort level of Jermaine Eluemunor being that he started for McDaniels in NE at RT and apparently has taken being in shape seriously now but let's say he is sneakedly a lock down RT. If he gets hurt.... we have....? I am not sure I am understanding the plan here.
I’m with you, fluctuating between “these guys MUST a know what they’re doing. They’re not blind dummies” and “um…aren’t we scarily thin here, fellas? Bring in some more help”

fingers and toes crossed we start hot, stay healthy and this OLine shows what their coaches must be seeing.
 

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