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2022 NBA Roster Draft - This draft goes to 12! (1 Viewer)

Jayrod said:
I have some other guys ranked over these two, but position scarcity is already bumping these guys up.  There just aren't a lot of 2-way wings available, so I'm taking the best two available and will build around them and their versitility.

1.20 - Donovan Mitchell, SG, Utah Jazz - dude can score as well as anyone and is easily the best SG available.  He is a more than willing and competent defender and put up some monster games in the playoffs.

2.01 - Paul George, SF, LA Clippers - elite defender and averaging over 24 ppg and has been slowed by injuries.  Will complement Donovan well.

Combined per game averages:  50.2 pts, 10.7 assts, 11.1 rbds, 3.6 steals
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Those were my next two targets. Mitchell is somewhere between atrocious and bad defensively though. He is the best offensive player on possibly the best offense in the NBA but he has no positive effect in their defense.

 
Jayrod said:
I have some other guys ranked over these two, but position scarcity is already bumping these guys up.  There just aren't a lot of 2-way wings available, so I'm taking the best two available and will build around them and their versitility.

1.20 - Donovan Mitchell, SG, Utah Jazz - dude can score as well as anyone and is easily the best SG available.  He is a more than willing and competent defender and put up some monster games in the playoffs.

2.01 - Paul George, SF, LA Clippers - elite defender and averaging over 24 ppg and despite being slowed by injuries.  Will complement Donovan well.

Combined per game averages:  50.2 pts, 10.7 assts, 11.1 rbds, 3.6 steals
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Mitchell was one of the guys I was considering.  Great pick, he's a gamer.

 
Jayrod said:
I have some other guys ranked over these two, but position scarcity is already bumping these guys up.  There just aren't a lot of 2-way wings available, so I'm taking the best two available and will build around them and their versitility.

1.20 - Donovan Mitchell
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:lmao:

 
wikkidpissah said:
my 1.08 - first of the 2nd tier - is still on the board. i mus be stoopit
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I suspect we may be looking at the same guy because so's my 1.09, but I left him because there are about 6 more guys not that far down the list in the same position, including my 1.13, who I think may still be available at pick 41.

There aren't a lot of SG & SF's left over the next 20 picks and none of them move the needle like Mitchell and George.

ETA:  Actually, you may be thinking of someone else, who I would probably take at #41 if he makes it, even though his pure ranking is down the list a bit....he is highly unique.

 
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PIK95 said:
I wish the Celtics would trade him so badly.  I hope he brings more to your team than he does to ours.
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instead of goin out & getting his StLoo boyee for him, time to send him to his StLoo boyee. we''ll take some of the Wiz's underutilized recent pix & some draft capital and make do

 
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Jayrod said:
I suspect we may be looking at the same guy because so's my 1.09, but I left him because there are about 6 more guys not that far down the list in the same position, including my 1.13, who I think may still be available at pick 41.

There aren't a lot of SG & SF's left over the next 20 picks and none of them move the needle like Mitchell and George.
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*obligatory small needle joke*

 
wikkidpissah said:
instead of goin out & getting his StLoo boyee for him, time to send him to his StLoo boyee. we''ll take some of the Wiz's underutilized recent pix & some draft capital and make do
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There are about fifty guys I would package him for at this point honestly.  Brad should before the rest of the league realizes.  He may yet.  

 
PIK95 said:
There are about fifty guys I would package him for at this point honestly.  Brad should before the rest of the league realizes.  He may yet.  
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Part of the problem with moving a guy like Tatum is that someone else will benefit from the wake up call and you will get his A-game (arguably a top-10 level game) when you face him.  Plus the fanbase will be livid if the replacement isn't as good...which it likely won't be.

It's a Catch-22.

Best bet is to try and coach him up or get the right guy on the team to get in his ear, because the skills are there.  Someone like a CP3 or even a couple of other not yet drafted guys could help turn him around.

 
PIK95 said:
There are about fifty guys I would package him for at this point honestly.  Brad should before the rest of the league realizes.  He may yet.  
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i'd actually prefer a coach who could reno him (or do anything, as opposed to our BrettBrown 2.0), but listening to coaches is soooo 2018

 
Jayrod said:
Part of the problem with moving a guy like Tatum is that someone else will benefit from the wake up call and you will get his A-game (arguably a top-10 level game) when you face him.  Plus the fanbase will be livid if the replacement isn't as good...which it likely won't be.

It's a Catch-22.

Best bet is to try and coach him up or get the right guy on the team to get in his ear, because the skills are there.  Someone like a CP3 or even a couple of other not yet drafted guys could help turn him around.
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The thing is, he just isn't that good.  He can shoot, but his playmaking, vision, general hoop IQ and creativity are all below average.  He's also a weak defender and doesn't always work hard.  He makes the team worse, and he's holding back his teamates.  Addition by subtraction imo.  Even if he does well elsewhere, I wouldn't care.  We will never win with him.  

 
Jayrod said:
He's just upset.  People say things they don't mean when they are upset.
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Obviously I mean fifty guys in a package.   Like a guy from Sac and their unprotected first.  I am not upset at all.  It is what it is.  I mostly love the rest of our team, so I still enjoy watching them play.   Everyone told me I was nuts early on when I didn't want that other fool...

 
2.3 Kyrie Irving

This pick may get some jeers, but with COVID not existing and the basketball court being flat, we'll go with Mr. 50/40/90, probably the most skilled finisher at the rim I've ever seen. Elite talent wins out in the NBA, and we'll rely on Jimmy Buckets to whip his ##### ### into shape on the defensive end.

 
PIK95 said:
The thing is, he just isn't that good.  He can shoot, but his playmaking, vision, general hoop IQ and creativity are all below average.  He's also a weak defender and doesn't always work hard.  He makes the team worse, and he's holding back his teamates.  Addition by subtraction imo.  Even if he does well elsewhere, I wouldn't care.  We will never win with him.  
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disagree. i went thru this w someone in the NBA thread recently. he hung w Kobe after his rookie yr and learned a lot of moves and spent his 2nd season counting off the elements of those moves and ruined his season. 3rd yr brilliant (that fallaway was all-time), but so brilliant that he started sucking all the oxygen off the court and Coach Stevens (and his post-Kyrie ruined credibility) couldnt refocus him on winshares. THEN he went and learned a regimen of moves somewhere that are so long he's been whistled for backcourt violations a coupla times cuz he starts em so high. there's no way to do em without drawing multiple contacts, which has made him turnover-prone and ref-obsessed. only one way to break that kinda vibe (as Vogel tried last nite w his prolim child) and that's to sit em when they go too far. but, as i said earlier in this thread, his brand people are so in his ear that you'll have a Simmons sitch likat if you do it. so, a LOT of figuring out to do and PopDiscipleWhoCantCoach#34 Ime Udoka aint the one to do it.

 
scoobus said:
2.3 Kyrie Irving

This pick may get some jeers, but with COVID not existing and the basketball court being flat, we'll go with Mr. 50/40/90, probably the most skilled finisher at the rim I've ever seen. Elite talent wins out in the NBA, and we'll rely on Jimmy Buckets to whip his ##### ### into shape on the defensive end.
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kyrie and jimmy would be interesting personality-wise...

 
Jayrod said:
I have some other guys ranked over these two, but position scarcity is already bumping these guys up.  There just aren't a lot of 2-way wings available, so I'm taking the best two available and will build around them and their versitility.

1.20 - Donovan Mitchell, SG, Utah Jazz - dude can score as well as anyone and is easily the best SG available.  He is a more than willing and competent defender and put up some monster games in the playoffs.

2.01 - Paul George, SF, LA Clippers - elite defender and averaging over 24 ppg and despite being slowed by injuries.  Will complement Donovan well.

Combined per game averages:  50.2 pts, 10.7 assts, 11.1 rbds, 3.6 steals
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That's a terrific start. 

 
scoobus said:
2.3 Kyrie Irving

This pick may get some jeers, but with COVID not existing and the basketball court being flat, we'll go with Mr. 50/40/90, probably the most skilled finisher at the rim I've ever seen. Elite talent wins out in the NBA, and we'll rely on Jimmy Buckets to whip his ##### ### into shape on the defensive end.
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Speaking of that other fool...

@wikkidpissahTatum was ruined by Kobe imo.  He doesn't have nearly the talent, not the athletic ability.  He now has the entitlement on the court unfortunately.  I don't think the bulk has helped him at all.  He's so hot and cold shooting since.  And that was his main weapon.  He went 0/7 outside last game.  That's alarming to me.

 
scoobus said:
2.3 Kyrie Irving

This pick may get some jeers, but with COVID not existing and the basketball court being flat, we'll go with Mr. 50/40/90, probably the most skilled finisher at the rim I've ever seen. Elite talent wins out in the NBA, and we'll rely on Jimmy Buckets to whip his ##### ### into shape on the defensive end.
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So where is the tournament being played?

 
scoobus said:
2.3 Kyrie Irving

This pick may get some jeers, but with COVID not existing and the basketball court being flat, we'll go with Mr. 50/40/90, probably the most skilled finisher at the rim I've ever seen. Elite talent wins out in the NBA, and we'll rely on Jimmy Buckets to whip his ##### ### into shape on the defensive end.
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This pick was for Kev4029, right? Otherwise, the Googlesheet is jacked.

 
PIK95 said:
Speaking of that other fool...

@wikkidpissahTatum was ruined by Kobe imo.  He doesn't have nearly the talent, not the athletic ability.  He now has the entitlement on the court unfortunately.  I don't think the bulk has helped him at all.  He's so hot and cold shooting since.  And that was his main weapon.  He went 0/7 outside last game.  That's alarming to me.
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but, as was the case for the first 90yrs of basketball, the answer is easy - sit the #####. every athlete has to know why theyre doing what theyre doing to do it best. pulling em out the game and giving em splinters is how that's been done. coach wikkid tells Jay "even look at a ref funny, you sit. forget you got teammates, you sit. open your mouth about being sit, sit some more. you get $30mil because youre special but you get that 30mil to advance the cause of the Celtics organization." but i'd have agents, publicists and maybe some animal-cruelty folks on me for doing that today. which is why benchmeat and the basketball-homeless the protocols brought in can score 30 when they get the chance.

 
wikkidpissah said:
but, as was the case for the first 90yrs of basketball, the answer is easy - sit the #####. every athlete has to know why theyre doing what theyre doing to do it best. pulling em out the game and giving em splinters is how that's been done. coach wikkid tells Jay "even look at a ref funny, you sit. forget you got teammates, you sit. open your mouth about being sit, sit some more. you get $30mil because youre special but you get that 30mil to advance the cause of the Celtics organization." but i'd have agents, publicists and maybe some animal-cruelty folks on me for doing that today. which is why benchmeat and the basketball-homeless the protocols brought in can score 30 when they get the chance.
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:lmao:

 
Frostillicus said:
Liar.
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There's been a very heated internal debate.  One guy keeps touting the importance of defense in the postseason while another is preaching about the value of 3-pt shooting in today's game and some guy in the corner is muttering constantly about "intangibles" and veteran leadership.  It's very overwhelming.

 
Jayrod said:
There's been a very heated internal debate.  One guy keeps touting the importance of defense in the postseason while another is preaching about the value of 3-pt shooting in today's game and some guy in the corner is muttering constantly about "intangibles" and veteran leadership.  It's very overwhelming.
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Basically sums it up.

 
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