They have the #1 pick in back to back drafts, so in a word, they suck and are trying to not suck (as much). Khan is a billionaire owner. Some of these deals will be busts, some will be good. But, its like what, 3 wins in 2 seasons? Gotta do something.What in the actual F are the Jaguars doing?
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Pretty sure the way to improve from league doormat isn’t to dump boatloads on retread wide receivers. But I suppose we’ll see if spending = wins.They have the #1 pick in back to back drafts, so in a word, they suck and are trying to not suck (as much). Khan is a billionaire owner. Some of these deals will be busts, some will be good. But, its like what, 3 wins in 2 seasons? Gotta do something.
Yeah, releasing the agent's press release of the deal means nothing these days. The questions to really ask are, "What are the guarantees?" and "Where's the out?".Ok, ok, some more details coming in on Kirk's deal and we've been duped like they are feeding us fake 40 times.
Jags can be out for 2 years/$27 is all guarantees and can be cut after with out owing him more money. This per Dan Grazziano.
Yes, I had a typo on my post and it was $37m not $27M but the out is the key. I thought I was reading it earlier he had more guarantees. 2 years for $18.5 a year with team option to continue is way stiff and still an overpay, but not nearly as bad as what I thought they committed.Yeah, releasing the agent's press release of the deal means nothing these days. The questions to really ask are, "What are the guarantees?" and "Where's the out?".
Every NFL tweet for the next hour starts with:Yeah, releasing the agent's press release of the deal means nothing these days. The questions to really ask are, "What are the guarantees?" and "Where's the out?".
I agree. That's why I posted Adam Hartstad's tweet in here about the cap-adjusted price of the deal. It's not as terrible a deal at first blush than we'd otherwise think. But it's still very stiff and very much an overpay, IMO.2 years for $18.5 a year with team option to continue is way stiff and still an overpay, but not nearly as bad as what I thought they committed.
And then there's that sentiment, which is so very true. Yeah, but still going to pay a guy 4/82 per contract? That's a nutty deal. But then again, I'd just respond with "He'll never see that in his dreams, and if he works out that well to where we want to re-sign him, that's what the market will be then for that type of guy anyway, so..."Every NFL tweet for the next hour starts with:
"Yeah, but STILL..."
That changes things dramatically…right now the #1 priority for the Jags is developing Lawrence…everything else is secondary because if he doesn’t develop to what we think he can be the franchise will go into an even blacker hole than they are currently in…so while they overpaid for Kirk he was about as good as they were gonna get iin free agency and no one is gonna go to Jax right now unless they get paid well…so roll the dice on Kirk, hope he takes things to the next level and if he doesn’t he is at least a solid WR for Lawrence to play with and you can cut him in two years…for Kirk, he picked a fantastic time to be a free agent…he could not have been luckier.Ok, ok, some more details coming in on Kirk's deal and we've been duped like they are feeding us fake 40 times.
Jags can be out for 2 years/$37 is all guarantees and can be cut after with out owing him more money. This per Dan Grazziano.
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Evan Engram's departure makes it 11 straight Giants first-round picks who didn't get or play a long-term second contract with the team. ELEVEN! Last one to do so was Kiwanuka (JPP pieced together a few short term deals and Odell was signed then traded). That's a loooong stretch.
He’s fast and athletic. He could be a surprise if used in the slot and not as a blocker.I think free agency can be great, but a team like the Jags could be signing that 2nd tier of players, that get a few mill guaranteed, and are still hungry. Jags could sign a bunch of those players. Engram for 9 mill for 1 year? Just seems like throwing money away.
How anyone could think Cooper is trash is mind boggling. He's a top-20 NFL WR. I do agree that 20 mil doesn't look so bad right now.Yes, I had a typo on my post and it was $37m not $27M but the out is the key. I thought I was reading it earlier he had more guarantees. 2 years for $18.5 a year with team option to continue is way stiff and still an overpay, but not nearly as bad as what I thought they committed.
On a somewhat related note if people think Amari Cooper is trash so be it, but I think the Browns getting Amari for $20 per year with no guarantees for a 5th looks like really good business right now.
And like Willie Mays Hayes, he's probably the most talented guy. Some team is gonna throw a day 3 pick at them, and get a useful player.
How much money would you have had to pay Jackson to go play on a horrid team in Jacksonville instead of a potential great team in Los Angeles?Should've went all in on JC Jackson instead of throwing dead money at Zay Jones. Or did he not want to go there no matter what?
Reminds me of when Matt Millen, Super Genius, made a big splash of signing Az Hakim and Bill Schroeder. Engram, Jones, and Kirk? Poor Jags fans.Pretty sure the way to improve from league doormat isn’t to dump boatloads on retread wide receivers. But I suppose we’ll see if spending = wins.
So I’m counting for roughly $126 million the Jags bought 4 years of Kirk, 3 years of Zay Jones and a year out of Evan Engram.
You can only buy what's for saleSo I’m counting for roughly $126 million the Jags bought 4 years of Kirk, 3 years of Zay Jones and a year out of Evan Engram.
Or not buy what’s for sale.You can only buy what's for sale
Bridgewater signed with Miami so you are safe there.The Colts need a mobile QB and for me that is Mariota and he is affordable. Also, they can't afford giving up additional draft capital like they did for Wentz last year, so even though he has his own warts, I don't see JimmyG as their QB. If they somehow trade for Garropolo I hope they don't give up too much. I don't see either Howell or Ridder being a day 1 starter, as both need time to develop, but that doesn't mean they won't draft one of them with the #42 pick. Another possibility is Matt Ryan. I'm not sure what he would cost. One thing I do know is that being on the tail end of the free agent market has put them in a bad situation. I hope they don't sign Teddy Bridgewater. I'd rather sink with the ship and get a high pick next year.
Yes, just saw that on a podcast just 30 seconds ago, thanks.Bridgewater signed with Miami so you are safe there.
Everyone said the way the Rams were doing it wasn't the right way. Until they won it all.Pretty sure the way to improve from league doormat isn’t to dump boatloads on retread wide receivers. But I suppose we’ll see if spending = wins.
Everyone? Sure, ok.Everyone said the way the Rams were doing it wasn't the right way. Until they won it all.
Thanks for your input. Truly, its insightful. I'm sure if the Jags spent no money, "everyone" would be like "The Jags are just being frugal, not improving their roster, what a great strategy!"Everyone? Sure, ok.
Just a slight difference in trading draft picks for Pro Bowl caliber players vs dropping up to $124 million on Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, and Evan Engram (I.e. not Pro Bow caliber players).
It's still a very bad contract - but yes at least they're not locked into 4 seasons (but most contracts are like that).Yes, I had a typo on my post and it was $37m not $27M but the out is the key. I thought I was reading it earlier he had more guarantees. 2 years for $18.5 a year with team option to continue is way stiff and still an overpay, but not nearly as bad as what I thought they committed.
I believe he's also a decent special teams player but that contract is terrible as well. 5 seasons in the NFL with a career statline of 171-1,884-11. One career game over 100 yards. 11 ypc.Still don't get the Zay Jones signing, but I've been known to have to eat my words, so...
The more I see that ridiculous contract, the more I like the Lions signing DJ Chark for 1 year $10 million.I believe he's also a decent special teams player but that contract is terrible as well. 5 seasons in the NFL with a career statline of 171-1,884-11. One career game over 100 yards. 11 ypc.
Kirk is a solid WR (despite the silly contract) but trading away a former second round pick - who has shown ability to play - under a cheap contract to make room for Zay Jones and Evan Engram, being well overpaid, is mind numbing.ESPN's Michael DiRocco reports the Jaguars may be open to trading WR Laviska Shenault.
The Jaguars loaded up on free agent pass catchers on Monday, inking Christian Kirk, Evan Engram, and Zay Jones. Doug Pederson is the second straight Jacksonville head coach who seems less-than-enamored with Shenault, a fantasy football folk hero whose best chance at success might be elsewhere. Shenault -- a dual threat wideout -- in 2021 failed to score a touchdown on 100 targets in the horrendous Jaguars offense. He could be a useful gadget player in an offense with established pass catchers.
The more I see that ridiculous contract, the more I like the Lions signing DJ Chark for 1 year $10 million.
Lions signed D.J. Chark, formerly of the Jaguars, to a one-year, $10 million contract.
The deal can be worth up to $12 million with incentives. With the Jaguars adding a cavalcade of free agent wideouts on Monday, it was clear Chark was headed elsewhere. The Lions, with one of the league's worst wide receiver groups, offered Chark, 25, a one-year prove-it deal after he missed most of the 2021 season with a broken ankle. He broke out in 2019, posting 73 catches for 1,008 yards and eight touchdowns as a highly productive boundary receiver who should pair nicely with slot receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown. It could be tough sledding for Chark in a Detroit offense headed by Jared Goff. The Lions in 2021 had the third lowest early-down pass rate and Goff threw deep on just 9.1 percent of his attempts, among the lowest in the league.
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Relax Mr. Kahn. Sheesh. I’m sorry that people are criticizing your teams signings. Now get back to work locking up Allen Robinson to that monster contract you’ve been working on.Thanks for your input. Truly, its insightful. I'm sure if the Jags spent no money, "everyone" would be like "The Jags are just being frugal, not improving their roster, what a great strategy!"
That’s a nice deal. Surprised he didn’t get more offers.The more I see that ridiculous contract, the more I like the Lions signing DJ Chark for 1 year $10 million.
Haha all good man. I just think its funny in the world of hot takes/criticizing every move etc it was odd that "everyone" was piling on the team that was easily the worst team over a full 33 games of playing the last few years was just kind of funny as if Jacksonville is some destination city (it is not) or a perennial contender (already covered), so it would logically make sense (at least to me) that a team like this would have to overspend to attract free agents.Relax Mr. Kahn. Sheesh. I’m sorry that people are criticizing your teams signings. Now get back to work locking up Allen Robinson to that monster contract you’ve been working on.
He needs to prove his ankles aren't made of Kleenex.Good on the Lions for getting Chark, who is probably a better (or at least equal to) WR than either of Kirk or Jones, at a much reduced rate.
They do have to overspend to attract free agents, no doubt. Very relevant point. No state taxes in Florida should help, but that organization has been a terrible mess.Haha all good man. I just think its funny in the world of hot takes/criticizing every move etc it was odd that "everyone" was piling on the team that was easily the worst team over a full 33 games of playing the last few years was just kind of funny as if Jacksonville is some destination city (it is not) or a perennial contender (already covered), so it would logically make sense (at least to me) that a team like this would have to overspend to attract free agents.
I think the point is that Zay Jones isn't a fa you spend money onHaha all good man. I just think its funny in the world of hot takes/criticizing every move etc it was odd that "everyone" was piling on the team that was easily the worst team over a full 33 games of playing the last few years was just kind of funny as if Jacksonville is some destination city (it is not) or a perennial contender (already covered), so it would logically make sense (at least to me) that a team like this would have to overspend to attract free agents.
Good deal for the Lions with respect to what they needed at WR with some speed and it's a reasonable one year tryout. On the other end while odds are high the Lions still draft a WR high if Chark represents the biggest WR upgrade the Lions make this off season this is outstanding news for ASB.Good on the Lions for getting Chark, who is probably a better (or at least equal to) WR than either of Kirk or Jones, at a much reduced rate.
I'd overspend to get good free agents - guys that would improve your team - but it doesn't make sense to overspend on guys that are marginally better, at best, than the guys you were previously bad with.They do have to overspend to attract free agents, no doubt. Very relevant point. No state taxes in Florida should help, but that organization has been a terrible mess.