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2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (3 Viewers)

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Main reason Nakobe Dean dropped is due to concerns he's undersized, but sources told me he's also had some medical issues come up in draft process, including a pec injury. Teams aren't concerned about long-term health, but that plus concerns about his size helped cause his slide.

 
DJackson10 said:
@DanGrazianoESPN

Main reason Nakobe Dean dropped is due to concerns he's undersized, but sources told me he's also had some medical issues come up in draft process, including a pec injury. Teams aren't concerned about long-term health, but that plus concerns about his size helped cause his slide.
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I’m not worried about him being an inch or two shorter than other LBers. He’s a baller and  a perfect fit for this scheme. 

 
Wooderson said:
Feels good to be an Eagles fan the last couple days.  👍
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Always does on draf dayt.  Takes some time to realize what Wentz and Ragnor are.  

Bigboy10182000 said:
Think Zamir White makes it to 154? 
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Yes.  Personally I think he could be the best RB in the draft.  Hard to tell in situation's like GA, but I think White is a good roll of the dice.  Now as far as the Eagles are concerned, I thin  it might be a luxary as I like their backs.

 
BassNBrew said:
Yes.  Personally I think he could be the best RB in the draft.  Hard to tell in situation's like GA, but I think White is a good roll of the dice.  Now as far as the Eagles are concerned, I thin  it might be a luxary as I like their backs.
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Sanders is in the final year of his deal and the 3rd option is Boston Scott. I think he could make a nice combo with Gainwell if/when the other two leave. 

 
Some tweets I’ve seen about Jurgens: 
 

Cam Jurgens -- college career

1,016 pass blocking snaps, 1 sack allowed. 

Eagles second-round pick Cam Jurgens ran a 4.92 in the 40-yard dash at the combine. That’s the fastest time for a center at the combine since … Jason Kelce (4.89) in 2011, per @Stathead

Jurgens weighed 23 pounds more than Kelce when he ran it.

Cam Jurgens (6-foot-3, 303 pounds) is an athletic center in the mold of Jason Kelce, and could be his heir apparent. Played running back/tight end/linebacker in high school.

“Just because you’re an O-lineman doesn’t mean you can’t run downfield and knock a safety out. I want to do stuff like [Kelce] does." -- Cam Jurgens

 
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I can’t shake my “If it seems too good to be true…” gut on Dean. Very skeptical that the Eagles would know more than all 31 other teams/doctors and also find it weird Howie is so confident about Dean being healthy. No one would blink if he hedged expectations and wanted to be cautious with a potential blue chipper they used a 3rd rounder to take a chance on. They did it with Jones and Dickerson before. But he’s going out of his way to make clear there are no medical concerns or restrictions.

If this winds up being a case of hubris and/or blindly trusting a medical staff that finally had one decent year after years of missteps and negative player feedback, and Dean misses the season, it can still be a win if he comes back completely healthy next year and plays to expectations. But if there are related red flags they’re ignoring or dismissing (e.g. Dean doesn’t trust Western medicine and that’s why he didn’t have surgery, this injury potentially means chronic issues, etc.), then they’ll have egg on their face. 

 
The Noid said:
I can’t shake my “If it seems too good to be true…” gut on Dean. Very skeptical that the Eagles would know more than all 31 other teams/doctors and also find it weird Howie is so confident about Dean being healthy. No one would blink if he hedged expectations and wanted to be cautious with a potential blue chipper they used a 3rd rounder to take a chance on. They did it with Jones and Dickerson before. But he’s going out of his way to make clear there are no medical concerns or restrictions.

If this winds up being a case of hubris and/or blindly trusting a medical staff that finally had one decent year after years of missteps and negative player feedback, and Dean misses the season, it can still be a win if he comes back completely healthy next year and plays to expectations. But if there are related red flags they’re ignoring or dismissing (e.g. Dean doesn’t trust Western medicine and that’s why he didn’t have surgery, this injury potentially means chronic issues, etc.), then they’ll have egg on their face. 
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All true. But they would have egg on their face with a missed 3rd round pick, which I think is worth the risk.

 
dhockster said:
All true. But they would have egg on their face with a missed 3rd round pick, which I think is worth the risk.
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For sure, but it’s just odd to not even seeing it messaged that way. After that press conference last night, you would have thought we were able to steal no-risk guys like Devin Lloyd or Quay Walker in the 3rd. 

 
The Noid said:
For sure, but it’s just odd to not even seeing it messaged that way. After that press conference last night, you would have thought we were able to steal no-risk guys like Devin Lloyd or Quay Walker in the 3rd. 
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Theres definitely something there that doesn’t add up. Reports all suggested he needed pec surgery and after watching his presser you’d think he was completely fine.

Now even with that said, I’m ecstatic we got the player. The injury stuff will work itself out one way or the other

 
The Noid said:
But if there are related red flags they’re ignoring or dismissing (e.g. Dean doesn’t trust Western medicine and that’s why he didn’t have surgery, this injury potentially means chronic issues, etc.), then they’ll have egg on their face. 
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Im not sure how much egg on their face there will be given where he was picked and the caliber of player many think we got. Now if we pick him in round 2 I’d agree more. Dean almost feels like a free pick in the 3rd to me. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Im not sure how much egg on their face there will be given where he was picked and the caliber of player many think we got. Now if we pick him in round 2 I’d agree more. Dean almost feels like a free pick in the 3rd to me. 
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Yeah, can't see them getting egg on their face if the guy gets injured.  In recent history, their 3rd rounders have been decent NFL contributors: Milton Williams, Davion Taylor, Rasul Douglas, Isaac Seumalo, Jordan Hicks

I'd be surprised if Dean isn't at least a decent starter for a couple seasons.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Theres definitely something there that doesn’t add up. Reports all suggested he needed pec surgery and after watching his presser you’d think he was completely fine.

Now even with that said, I’m ecstatic we got the player. The injury stuff will work itself out one way or the other
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He's doing PRP therapy instead of getting the surgery.  

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Nakobe Dean presser.
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The biggest thing I got out of his presser is that he has a lot of poise. That had to have been the most gut-wrenching thing that ever occurred in his life: being invited to the Draft as a lock to be a first round draft pick, sitting in the green room and watching all the way until pick 83. The embarassment, the disappointment, the potential $Millions. All that had to be weighing on him, and he managed to smile and say all the right things about being excited to be an Eagle. That's the kind of kid that knows how to take personal hurt and disappointment and turn into fuel to be a great player.

Something is really weird with his medicals. I heard some NFL Network pundit talking about him having a grade 3 pec strain, which would definitely warrant surgery. And, I've never heard of PRP being used for pectoral strains, either. Granted, I never worked in any kind of sports medicine clinic with high-end athletes, but even with knees and achilles, PRP has mixed results. I'm kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop. Would be weird if all 32 teams got bogus information.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
The biggest thing I got out of his presser is that he has a lot of poise. That had to have been the most gut-wrenching thing that ever occurred in his life: being invited to the Draft as a lock to be a first round draft pick, sitting in the green room and watching all the way until pick 83. The embarassment, the disappointment, the potential $Millions. All that had to be weighing on him, and he managed to smile and say all the right things about being excited to be an Eagle. That's the kind of kid that knows how to take personal hurt and disappointment and turn into fuel to be a great player.

Something is really weird with his medicals. I heard some NFL Network pundit talking about him having a grade 3 pec strain, which would definitely warrant surgery. And, I've never heard of PRP being used for pectoral strains, either. Granted, I never worked in any kind of sports medicine clinic with high-end athletes, but even with knees and achilles, PRP has mixed results. I'm kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop. Would be weird if all 32 teams got bogus information.
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Medical plus small size.  Probably red flagged by teams.

 
From Dr. Chao (ProFootballDoc):

PRP injections have their place but are not a good subsitute for surgery when tendon is torn away off bone. Curious that @Eagles believe he will not need surgery. I do expect he will look good running around in rookie mini-camp.

🤔 Running around mini camp ain’t exactly the same as a regular season game. 

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
If/when he gets 100% healthy he is a perfect fit for the style of defense we ran last year. 
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The addition of Jordan Davis, too, gives JG a lot of flexibility to run what I think he has really wanted to run since he's been here defensively. I'm excited to see what the D looks like this year, especially if we get some players in the secondary.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
The addition of Jordan Davis, too, gives JG a lot of flexibility to run what I think he has really wanted to run since he's been here defensively. I'm excited to see what the D looks like this year, especially if we get some players in the secondary.
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Not sure when Graham is back but we also have Reddick, Sweat, Hargrove and Cox on the line. Add in depth like Barnett and even the growth of Williams and the DL should be a lot better

Taylor was looking better and better at LBer before he was hurt as was Edwards. Im not sure what White can bring to the table and then there’s Dean. Could be a solid young group  

Obviously the DB’s need improvement but that group arguably played the best of the 3 units under Gannon last season. If the front 7 makes measurable gains it can offset some of the talent back there with this scheme. Adding Honey Badger would be huge.  

 
ProstheticRGK said:
The biggest thing I got out of his presser is that he has a lot of poise. That had to have been the most gut-wrenching thing that ever occurred in his life: being invited to the Draft as a lock to be a first round draft pick, sitting in the green room and watching all the way until pick 83. The embarassment, the disappointment, the potential $Millions. All that had to be weighing on him, and he managed to smile and say all the right things about being excited to be an Eagle. That's the kind of kid that knows how to take personal hurt and disappointment and turn into fuel to be a great player.

Something is really weird with his medicals. I heard some NFL Network pundit talking about him having a grade 3 pec strain, which would definitely warrant surgery. And, I've never heard of PRP being used for pectoral strains, either. Granted, I never worked in any kind of sports medicine clinic with high-end athletes, but even with knees and achilles, PRP has mixed results. I'm kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop. Would be weird if all 32 teams got bogus information.
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yeah good posting. Definitely agree that his poise stands out, and i have to say when he mentioned that his mom was wondering why he dropped and he had to try to explain it to her. i was multi-tasking, and heard that in the background and it definitely struck a chord. 

I am happy if he has to sit for a bit or whatever, just pulling for the kid and with the Eagles in their current situation, he doesn't need to rush onto the field

 
The Noid said:
For sure, but it’s just odd to not even seeing it messaged that way. After that press conference last night, you would have thought we were able to steal no-risk guys like Devin Lloyd or Quay Walker in the 3rd. 
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Ya for sure. If Howie had zero concerns about his health, why not take him in the 2nd! 😛

 
And by all accounts it reads like Howie and Company stuck to BPA.
 

1. Taking Davis with already having Cox, Hargrave and Williams.

2. Taking Jurgens with Kelce and a couple guards who can play center

3. Grabbing Dean who had to be one of the the highest players left on a lot of boards. 

 
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jon007 said:
I liked this guys breakdown on Dean. 
https://youtu.be/cJxdUiDvYR0

This video is a breakdown of the LB class. Dean was in tier 2 along with many other LBs. 
https://youtu.be/AXUnay8Cbno

The source is not my site or friend I just really like his breakdowns.

I definitely like where we drafted him though considering his injury risk. Dean looks like an immediate plug and play style of LB with our defense.
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Thanks for posting those videos. I saw the first one but couldn’t find it to share this AM. Very balanced review of Dean’s strengths and weaknesses. 
 

Big positive to me as well is having a year of Cox and Kelce grooming Davis and Jergens. 

 
Uh oh. Danny Watkins PTSD!

He retired from football in 2019 (due to concussions) and spent 2020 preparing to become a firefighter before transferring to SMU.
Calcaterra was in training to become a firefighter in Orange County, Calif. Looking at San Diego area as well to become a first responder. He did go on some medical calls no fires.

 
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The Noid said:
Uh oh. Danny Watkins PTSD!

He retired from football in 2019 (due to concussions) and spent 2020 preparing to become a firefighter before transferring to SMU.
Calcaterra was in training to become a firefighter in Orange County, Calif. Looking at San Diego area as well to become a first responder. He did go on some medical calls no fires.
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Was just coming to post this. I think Howie is trolling us. 

 
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