2022 vs 2023 Class. Is this year all that it was cracked up to be? (1 Viewer)

[Ridgeback]

Outside of Bijan and the Qb's, what else is standing out? Was this year a smokescreen? A year ago people were lamenting that class compared to this year. But has that been realized yet?

I stocked up on picks this year at the expense of last year, but now I'm like...hmm.

 

[Blick]

Outside of Bijan and the Qb's, what else is standing out? Was this year a smokescreen? A year ago people were lamenting that class compared to this year. But has that been realized yet?

I stocked up on picks this year at the expense of last year, but now I'm like...hmm.

I think it’s as advertised especially in SF. Four QBs will likely go in the top 5.

In 1 QB, there’s a ton of RB depth. Maybe 5-6 projected starters or strong contributors.

TE depth is also really good.

I think it’s a big reason why the FA market for RB and TE is so soft.

I’m still trying to acquire all the picks I can get.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I sold all of my 2023 picks as I am not enamored by this class of prospects. Bijan is the prize and I can see some excitement if you play SF (although I am not as high on any of the arms this year). There will be some surprise gems but the top of the class is below average in talent IMO. Now that I said that it will turn out to be the best class we have seen in years.

 

[foxco]

Not all it was supposed to be, though I do think the RB class is deep as well as QBs and TEs, so depth there without that consensus generational stud aside from Bijan. WRs are small and no sure thing as a prototypical alpha, though there's a few guys I like. Solid overall class but WRs drag it down a bit.

Draft seems farther away than ever right now, what the heck.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Not all it was cracked up to be.

QBs have warts but that's to be expected. It's a huge rebound compared to last year obviously. I don't think I'll be very high on Levis but I'm pretty bullish on the other three.

RBs. At this time last year there was a lot of conversation about Gibbs and Tucker, maybe Bigsby as being at Hall and Walker's level. Bijan has seemingly panned out but the next few guys all seem to have less raw talent than Hall and Walker from what I have assessed. There's definitely a huge bunch of guys that will have sizeable roles but no currently assessed "elite" talent beyond Bijan. Everyone's got their "guy" between Gibbs, Spears, Evans, Charbonnet, Miller, Tucker etc that they think will be really productive but everyone seemingly has a different guy.

WR is where this class is definitely thin compared to what now in retrospect was a pretty stout 22 class. Boutte and JSN both were touted as being at least at and maybe above where London/Wilson tier and definitely above Olave. And maybe Burks/ Jamo depending on how you viewed them. I will say that I'm starting to get my bearings that there's no such thing as a sure thing and that there will always be miss-assessments. So it's too soon to know but the current warts are the focal point of the now.

The TE class is viewed as special. But TE rookie drafting is (from what I'm told) an exercise in patience. So at this time next year we may be feeling underwhelmed but in 2 years maybe not. It's wild to me to see what rookie scouting yields in this department. Feels like it's even more of a crapshoot than WR, definitely moreso than RBs.

With @foxco can't believe we still have to wait a month for the draft.

 

[JohnnyU]

QB, RB and TE are good. WR outside the top 3 are lackluster and I have my doubts about Johnston and Addison. I also have my doubts about the QBs outside of Stroud and to some extent, Young.

 

[BobbyLayne]

QB - not so great really. Each of the Big 4 has different questions, and it's a cliff after that.

HB - Boy, after the top 3 it's a lot of small fast guys or one-dimensional backs, kind of weak.

WR - the big guys all play small or have will they get Sunday separation issues, the best route runners are on the smaller side; some decent slot WRs and a few round 3 or later guys 6'3" who might develop.

TE - pretty good class although I tend to look mostly at inline guys since that's the only kind of TE Detroit will ever roster. Washington is a devastating blocker, Mayer and Kraft is a good all arounder, Schooner and Whyle are a couple guys who could develop. Handful of really good move TEs if that term is still in vogue.

IOL - more good C than G, outside of O'Torrence, Avila and (maybe) Patterson it's kind of thin. But you also have Ts who are probably going inside (Skoronski, Mauch.) There's def solid guys but no one who blows you away.

T - plenty of good LT candidates but not really sure they're at the level we're accustomed to, premium position that has a lot of "he's OK" guys.

DI - one blue chip, maybe 3 plus starters, the rest are average 1-techs or rotational 3-techs.

ED - pretty deep class at both 5-tech and 9-tech. Anderson is in a class by himself but plenty of guys who are going to be impact players IMO.

LB - handful of day 1 starters but not a great class IMO, but ILB is kind of being devalued in a lot of schemes. Couple of good cover guys who will go round 3 or 4 but no one who looks like the next Greenlaw or Warner.

CB - super deep class. IDK about calling any of them lockdowns but you have all around guys like Gonzalez, several good press corners (Witherspoon, Brents, Ricks), a lot of great off man or zone corners - and it's such a deep class you're going to see Day 3 guys develop into starters IMO.

S - as weak and thin as the CBs are strong and deep. Branch is really a Slot Corner, an increasingly important position. Johnson is falling, Sydney Brown looks enticing but man he's a terrible tackler, Robinson and Battle look OK. Nobody who is going to blow you away. JL Skinner might develop but who knows.

Overall I think from a fantasy perspective it's kind of a meh class. From an NFL perspective, there are strengths, weaknesses, and value plays. But the draft is always a crap shoot - 50% of the first round picks won't amount to much. Go back to any class and the Top 32 is a mix of 1st round, Day 2, Day 3, and even UDFA. Guys who are handsomely compensated and have tons more information than we do get it wrong all the time.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

HSG will be here any minute to sing 2023's praises I'm sure.
As he's leveraged his teams entire future on this draft his praise feels as much hopeful as it is genuine.

 

[Ilov80s]

For fantasy, it's looking pretty weak. It really needs a bunch of these bigger backs to find good landing spots and solid draft capital.

 

[JohnnyU]

For fantasy, it's looking pretty weak. It really needs a bunch of these bigger backs to find good landing spots and solid draft capital.

I think everyone thought Tucker would get good draft capital and it doesn’t appear that he will. At one time Boutte was considered top 2. Not anymore. There are some pleasant surprises at TE with Kincaid and Washington. Also, throw in the out of control hype for Richardson and the overrated Levis.

 

[Ridgeback]

Yeah, I agree with what most have written. I was down on last year's class and traded out of it for the most part. I traded a '22 1.9 and 2.3 for what ended up being this year's 1.6. At the time, I was happy to get out from the 'meh' draft. Now? I think I traded into the 'meh' draft.

For SF leagues it's a thing of beauty, otherwise, not so much.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Outside of Bijan and the Qb's, what else is standing out? Was this year a smokescreen? A year ago people were lamenting that class compared to this year. But has that been realized yet?

I stocked up on picks this year at the expense of last year, but now I'm like...hmm.

Every year we experience this.

This draft is deeper at QB (last year should have had 0 in the 1st - Steelers reached for Pickett), RB, and TE. And the WR crop looks potentially excellent, though a bit top-heavy.

That said, like in years past, there will be 2nd round WRs who tested poorly at the combine who excel at the real game of football just like they did in college.

Last year’s WR class looks much better in hindsight than it did on draft day.

Next year at this time we’ll probably look back at this year’s draft the same way, and question whether the 2024 draft is all it’s cut out to be.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I see the 2023 draft going 16-18 FF relevant picks deep for SF leagues, and likely more than that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For fantasy, it's looking pretty weak. It really needs a bunch of these bigger backs to find good landing spots and solid draft capital.

I think everyone thought Tucker would get good draft capital and it doesn’t appear that he will. At one time Boutte was considered top 2. Not anymore. There are some pleasant surprises at TE with Kincaid and Washington. Also, throw in the out of control hype for Richardson and the overrated Levis.

There are also guys like Hyatt, Mims, Tillman, Rice, & Flowers who have risen substantially. So Boutte dropping doesn’t necessarily shrink the player pool.

 

[JohnnyU]

For fantasy, it's looking pretty weak. It really needs a bunch of these bigger backs to find good landing spots and solid draft capital.

I think everyone thought Tucker would get good draft capital and it doesn’t appear that he will. At one time Boutte was considered top 2. Not anymore. There are some pleasant surprises at TE with Kincaid and Washington. Also, throw in the out of control hype for Richardson and the overrated Levis.

There are also guys like Hyatt, Mims, Tillman, Rice, & Flowers who have risen substantially. So Boutte dropping doesn’t necessarily shrink the player pool.

Hyatt is a one trick pony, Tillman played 4 years of college, something I’m not a fan of, Rice’s stock hasn’t risen,. Mims and Flowers has risen, but how much really? Boutte was projected as a stud. None of those players are.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Boutte was projected as a stud. None of those players are.

2 years ago. No one expected much after 2022 season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Boutte was projected as a stud. None of those players are.

2 years ago. No one expected much after 2022 season.

That doesn’t change a thing with what I said.

 

[JohnnyU]

The hype this class was getting, it had nowhere to go but down.

 

[Ridgeback]

The hype this class was getting, it had nowhere to go but down.

Agreed. Maybe 'Meh' is too strong of a put down. Let's just say I'm skeptical of it living up to the hype it had.

 

[massraider]

I could see it being a class where the rookie 1st round winds up looking not great, but there's value/depth.

 

[ghostguy123]

The hype this class was getting, it had nowhere to go but down.

Absolutely.
Same with even Bijan. He's being valued as a top 2-3 overall dynasty asset without ever stepping on the field. He wouldn't be the first talented guy to not live up to expectations, and his particular expectations are already as that top 3 guy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Boutte was projected as a stud. None of those players are.

2 years ago. No one expected much after 2022 season.

That doesn’t change a thing with what I said.

Of course it does. You’re alleging he was one of the hyped players that built expectations for this draft class, and that his absence is somehow relevant in people’s disappointment.

That hasn’t been true for a year+.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The hype this class was getting, it had nowhere to go but down.

Absolutely.
Same with even Bijan. He's being valued as a top 2-3 overall dynasty asset without ever stepping on the field. He wouldn't be the first talented guy to not live up to expectations, and his particular expectations are already as that top 3 guy.

And at this point, other than being contrarian, there’s no basis for downgrading him.

He’s the most revered RB prospect since Saquan, and Zeke before him. And that caliber of RB has historically had an extremely high hit rate - it’s one of the easiest positions to transition from college to the NFL.

Top 3 dynasty sounds about right to me.

 

[JohnnyU]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

 

[Blick]

Outside of Bijan and the Qb's, what else is standing out? Was this year a smokescreen? A year ago people were lamenting that class compared to this year. But has that been realized yet?

I stocked up on picks this year at the expense of last year, but now I'm like...hmm.

Every year we experience this.

This draft is deeper at QB (last year should have had 0 in the 1st - Steelers reached for Pickett), RB, and TE. And the WR crop looks potentially excellent, though a bit top-heavy.

That said, like in years past, there will be 2nd round WRs who tested poorly at the combine who excel at the real game of football just like they did in college.

Last year’s WR class looks much better in hindsight than it did on draft day.

Next year at this time we’ll probably look back at this year’s draft the same way, and question whether the 2024 draft is all it’s cut out to be.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I see the 2023 draft going 16-18 FF relevant picks deep for SF leagues, and likely more than that.

This. 100%

 

[JohnnyU]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

 

[eighsse2]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

 

[JohnnyU]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

You will have your answer after you see their draft capital, which I don’t think will be very good on the whole. You should probably sell some of those 1st round picks.

edit- oops, I thought I was replying to HSG with the sell comment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

Also noted. I disagree, and by a lot, but time will tell.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

You will have your answer after you see their draft capital, which I don’t think will be very good on the whole. You should probably sell some of those 1st round picks.

edit- oops, I thought I was replying to HSG with the sell comment.

It’s a ridiculous comment regardless of who it’s for, but you’re on a roll, so by all means continue.

 

[eighsse2]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

You will have your answer after you see their draft capital, which I don’t think will be very good on the whole. You should probably sell some of those 1st round picks.

edit- oops, I thought I was rep to HSG with the sell comment.

True, draft spots will matter a lot, but I'm kind of assuming a generalized:

Tier 1
Robinson

Tier 2
Gibbs

Tier 3
Charbonnet
Whichever 6 of the other ~12 toss-up guys get drafted on day 2

Tier 4
The rest of the toss-up guys

But yeah. It will be a lot easier to talk about after the draft.

To your edit: I know HSG has 57 varieties of first round picks, but I also have 3 firsts and the 2.01 so I guess it applies to me too. Especially since there is 0% chance I'm drafting a TE, and doubtful I'll draft a QB or more than 1 WR with those forst 4 picks. Definitely counting on RB's.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

Agreed. The RB class is incredibly deep.

Theory: that there’s an extreme alpha at the top of the class makes the rest look lesser, but if Bijan wasn’t a generational talent, we’d have no issue considering the next several tiers with more respect than they seem to be getting

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

To your edit: I know HSG has 57 varieties if first round picks, but I also have 3 firsts and the 2.01 so I guess it applies to me too. Especially since there is 0% chance I'm drafting a TE, and doubtful I'll draft a QB or more than 1 WR with those forst 4 picks. Definitely counting on RB's.

Haters gonna hate. Keep your picks.

I’m taking one WR for sure. If QJ or Addison fall to 8 imma take another. And hope Charbonet falls to 10.

 

[eighsse2]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

Agreed. The RB class is incredibly deep.

Theory: that there’s an extreme alpha at the top of the class makes the rest look lesser, but if Bijan wasn’t a generational talent, we’d have no issue considering the next several tiers with more respect than they seem to be getting

I like that theory.

The sun: Bijan
The planets: The next 9 RB's (or 8?)

They may be dwarfed but they're still big.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The sun: Bijan
The planets: The next 9 RB's (or 8?)

They may be dwarfed but they're still big.

In before anyone calls Achane "Pluto".

 

[JohnnyU]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

Agreed. The RB class is incredibly deep.

Theory: that there’s an extreme alpha at the top of the class makes the rest look lesser, but if Bijan wasn’t a generational talent, we’d have no issue considering the next several tiers with more respect than they seem to be getting

Not sure how you can call this class deep at RB. I see no proof of that……..yet. It may prove to be a good class, but I don’t see most of these guys getting 1st or 2nd day draft capital. History shows that nearly all the 4th round or later RBs aren’t fantasy relevant. Not all, but most.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

Agreed. The RB class is incredibly deep.

Theory: that there’s an extreme alpha at the top of the class makes the rest look lesser, but if Bijan wasn’t a generational talent, we’d have no issue considering the next several tiers with more respect than they seem to be getting

Not sure how you can call this class deep at RB. I see no proof of that……..yet

There’s a list right there in the post you quoted. lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The sun: Bijan
The planets: The next 9 RB's (or 8?)

They may be dwarfed but they're still big.

In before anyone calls Achane "Pluto".

Damn that’s funny.

 

[massraider]

I’m taking one WR for sure. If JSN or Addison fall to 8 imma take another. And hope Charbonet falls to 10.

I have 6 and 7, and if I get QJ, I’ll be happy. Getting the best specimen at that spot seems like a fine mid 1st rounder.

 

[IHEARTFF]

23 RBs seem better/deeper
23 WRs are much thinner
23 QBs are much better
23 TEs are much better

 

[Blick]

Besides Robinson the RB class is very sketchy. Even Gibbs has his doubters. After those two it doesn’t look great. Charbonnet could be a plodder, Evans certainly has his skeptics. He’s my #3. Tucker seems to have fallen off a cliff for some odd reason. What about Kendre Miller? My #4. You don’t hear any hype surrounding him.

At WR, other than JSN, it doesn’t look very good to me.

At QB, other than Stroud and to some extent Young, it doesn’t look very good to me.

TE is the strongest position in this draft and I never get excited about drafting TEs not named Pitts.

Noted.

I’m waiting to see landing spots on QJ, Addison, Gibbs, Charbonet (who looks nothing like a plodder on film), etc before I decide whether I’m excited about them or not. Seems premature to come to any sort of concrete judgement before knowing landing spot or draft capital.

But each to their own.

I think folks are going to be disappointed with the RB draft capital after Robinson and Gibbs are off the board.

So, I've been kind of thinking of this RB class similar to the 2017 class. Which, going into their first NFL season, their dynasty outlooks were like this if I remember correctly:

Tier 1
Fournette

Tier 2
Hunt
McCaffrey
Mixon
Cook

Tier 3
Perine
Foreman
Jamaal Williams
Kamara

Tier 4
Other guys, like Marlon Mack, Joe Williams, etc., and Aaron Jones even further down.

Anyway, how would you guys compare expectations of this class, to your expectations of that class? To be clear, I'm not asking to compare this class to McCaffrey, Kamara, Cook, and Aaron Jones, as they turned out. But to compare this class to who we expected all those guys to be.

My feeling is, 2023 not quite as good, but not too far off.

Agreed. The RB class is incredibly deep.

Theory: that there’s an extreme alpha at the top of the class makes the rest look lesser, but if Bijan wasn’t a generational talent, we’d have no issue considering the next several tiers with more respect than they seem to be getting

Not sure how you can call this class deep at RB. I see no proof of that……..yet. It may prove to be a good class, but I don’t see most of these guys getting 1st or 2nd day draft capital. History shows that nearly all the 4th round or later RBs aren’t fantasy relevant. Not all, but most.

I’m not even sure draft capital matters much anymore with the current devaluation of the position. I think landing spot and opportunity are going to become much bigger indicators of success moving forward.

 

[Catbird]

Any time we think we are straight up smarter than the average NFL scouting and player evaluation crews, I think we are asking for trouble. If I can avoid a couple of guys that were picked too high by a less accurate teams, I feel I;ve done well. Ignoring draft capital across the board seems cocky and then some.

 

[Ilov80s]

I could see it being a class where the rookie 1st round winds up looking not great, but there's value/depth.

There is probably a RB or 2 who go late in the NFL draft and thus fall in dynasty drafts that end up as valuable RB2s for fantasy.

 

[menobrown]

I thought last years class was really deep and I had more first round rookie graded players as any draft since 2014 and the second round offered more RB options then I could recall in large part because the WR's pushed them back. TE and QB looked sorry but the meat of most non-SF drafts is RB/WR. Last year was just a bad year if you were in SF looking for a QB, had a first round pick outside the top 2 and needed a RB, and conversely not so great if you needed a WR and did not have high second round pick.

For this year's class vs last years an in general:

QB: much better then last year, ok on the whole.

RB: much better then last year. Maybe not all time like 2017 or 2008 in terms of a bunch of studs but IMO the most depth and potential real life starters of any dynasty draft in since 2011(when I had my first draft). How many become studs we'll see.

WR: not great looking and basically the reason people who are down on the draft are down on the draft. I want to say you got to go back to 2017 to find a weaker looking WR draft, that was the Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross year with the first two almost always going top 6 of my drafts. BUT this is where this talk can get a little confusing because that 2017 class brought us Juju in round two of most of my drafts and Godwin/Kupp in usually late 2/early 3. So it turns out that class was really kind of excellent but dynasty owners and to a degree NFL teams did a poor job evaluating them that year. My guess is this year will go down as an all time sorry WR year unless some studs we are missing on like 2017 come out of the woodwork.

TE: All time class on paper. But this is like what I mentioned on the 2017 WR's where it some studs we were not exactly high on made it a strong TE class. Talking about the 2013 Kelce, Ertz, Eifert and Reed class. But in terms of pre-draft how I viewed them I have not viewed a class higher. How much this helps people in non TE-premium I don't know. In TE premium it's not even huge for round one, might see 2 taken is my guess, but should improve the overall quality of the draft in rounds 2+ whether you want to pick a TE or not they will push someone back.

In summary vs last year I think the RB's, QB and TE are much better this year, a lot better for each of those. But the WR gap between the two drafts is a bigger disparity then any of those positions, 2022 put a but whipping on this class.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I could see it being a class where the rookie 1st round winds up looking not great, but there's value/depth.

There is probably a RB or 2 who go late in the NFL draft and thus fall in dynasty drafts that end up as valuable RB2s for fantasy.

Some even emerge as RB1s.

I can think of several over the last decade, most recently 7th rounder Isaiah Pacheco.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought last years class was really deep and I had more first round rookie graded players as any draft since 2014 and the second round offered more RB options then I could recall in large part because the WR's pushed them back. TE and QB looked sorry but the meat of most non-SF drafts is RB/WR. Last year was just a bad year if you were in SF looking for a QB, had a first round pick outside the top 2 and needed a RB, and conversely not so great if you needed a WR and did not have high second round pick.

For this year's class vs last years an in general:

QB: much better then last year, ok on the whole.

RB: much better then last year. Maybe not all time like 2017 or 2008 in terms of a bunch of studs but IMO the most depth and potential real life starters of any dynasty draft in since 2011(when I had my first draft). How many become studs we'll see.

WR: not great looking and basically the reason people who are down on the draft are down on the draft. I want to say you got to go back to 2017 to find a weaker looking WR draft, that was the Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross year with the first two almost always going top 6 of my drafts. BUT this is where this talk can get a little confusing because that 2017 class brought us Juju in round two of most of my drafts and Godwin/Kupp in usually late 2/early 3. So it turns out that class was really kind of excellent but dynasty owners and to a degree NFL teams did a poor job evaluating them that year. My guess is this year will go down as an all time sorry WR year unless some studs we are missing on like 2017 come out of the woodwork.

TE: All time class on paper. But this is like what I mentioned on the 2017 WR's where it some studs we were not exactly high on made it a strong TE class. Talking about the 2013 Kelce, Ertz, Eifert and Reed class. But in terms of pre-draft how I viewed them I have not viewed a class higher. How much this helps people in non TE-premium I don't know. In TE premium it's not even huge for round one, might see 2 taken is my guess, but should improve the overall quality of the draft in rounds 2+ whether you want to pick a TE or not they will push someone back.

In summary vs last year I think the RB's, QB and TE are much better this year, a lot better for each of those. But the WR gap between the two drafts is a bigger disparity then any of those positions, 2022 put a but whipping on this class.

Fair assessment.

I still think at least 4 (and potentially as many as 7) WRs in this class emerge in the NFL & become viable FF assets.

 

[Ilov80s]

Some even emerge as RB1s.

I can think of several over the last decade, most recently 7th rounder Isaiah Pacheco.

I don't think IP has earned RB1 status for fantasy and he still has to fade this draft class to maintain RB2 status.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Some even emerge as RB1s.

I can think of several over the last decade, most recently 7th rounder Isaiah Pacheco.

I don't think IP has earned RB1 status for fantasy and he still has to fade this draft class to maintain RB2 status.

He’s not a FF RB1, I meant the RB1 for the Chiefs. He is at this time the primary ball carrier.

Apologies - it’s always challenging to articulate about RB1/RB2 for FF VS RL using the same acronyms

 

[massraider]

I agree this WR class isn't wonderful, but I think a lot of these guys will still have decent to good draft capital.

Feels like WR draft capital is just going to rise. They are only getting more important.

 

[menobrown]

I agree this WR class isn't wonderful, but I think a lot of these guys will still have decent to good draft capital.

Feels like WR draft capital is just going to rise. They are only getting more important.

I agree, would bet most of us would guess 4 go in round one which is not bad. Mainly if not all the second back end of round one but still round one.