2023 Carolina Panthers: Ok, so... Rome wasn't built in a day (1 Viewer)

[Desert_Power]

Van Jefferson and Hopkins are two links to new WR coach Shawn Jefferson and both likely available.

That's Van's Dad yeah? I could see him getting traded for a late pick. DHop I guess but doesn't seem they are ready to make a move like that. There's a few WR they could sign reasonably in FA. DJ Chark or Thielen could start for this team. Jakobi Meyers obviously would be a 1 here.

Yes Van's dead and he's not much but then they don't have much, they just passed the Giants as worst WR group in the league.

As for Hop I have no idea, just spitballing and maybe they'd prefer to go in a different direction but a lot reasons for it to make sense, at least to me.

I think he's a WR1, I don't view Meyers or those others in that regard. Would be a big assist to whoever they draft. They don't have a #1 or #2 pick next year so no reason to try and delay the process of trying to compete. Their defense is strong, the division is weak, and if the rookie can provide them competent play they might think they can win the division.

As for Hopkins he is from South Carolina, not quite returning home but in the close vicinity, and Shawn was his WR coach last year.

Probably never happen, lol.

It's an interesting thought for sure. I sense Hopkins is more of a trade than a cut though.

 

[menobrown]

Van Jefferson and Hopkins are two links to new WR coach Shawn Jefferson and both likely available.

That's Van's Dad yeah? I could see him getting traded for a late pick. DHop I guess but doesn't seem they are ready to make a move like that. There's a few WR they could sign reasonably in FA. DJ Chark or Thielen could start for this team. Jakobi Meyers obviously would be a 1 here.

Yes Van's dead and he's not much but then they don't have much, they just passed the Giants as worst WR group in the league.

As for Hop I have no idea, just spitballing and maybe they'd prefer to go in a different direction but a lot reasons for it to make sense, at least to me.

I think he's a WR1, I don't view Meyers or those others in that regard. Would be a big assist to whoever they draft. They don't have a #1 or #2 pick next year so no reason to try and delay the process of trying to compete. Their defense is strong, the division is weak, and if the rookie can provide them competent play they might think they can win the division.

As for Hopkins he is from South Carolina, not quite returning home but in the close vicinity, and Shawn was his WR coach last year.

Probably never happen, lol.

It's an interesting thought for sure. I sense Hopkins is more of a trade than a cut though.

I think he's a trade for sure, probably did not think it through enough that Carolina is a little trade asset depleted.

 

[ffmail4me]

Frank better get the right QB...if not, his track record for giving up valuable assets for Wentz and the wrong QB this year is gonna be brutal

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The Carolina Panthers QB coach broke down CJ Stroud along with Bryce Young in January.
Panther and other NFL fans may be interested.
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Josh Norris
@JoshNorris

has some of the rarest nuggets in NFL Draft history as he broke down Bryce Young and CJ Stroud along side Panthers QB Coach Josh McCown —>
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Panthers QB Coach Josh McCown Scouts CJ STROUD
Jan 13, 2023
CJ Stroud vs Georgia - CJ Stroud has a chance to go early in the NFL draft. On the latest episode of SCHEME presented by UNDERDOG FANTASY, Josh McCown and Josh Norris breakdown CJ Stroud's performance against the national championship winning Georgia Bulldogs.

 

[FairWarning]

Van Jefferson and Hopkins are two links to new WR coach Shawn Jefferson and both likely available.

That's Van's Dad yeah? I could see him getting traded for a late pick. DHop I guess but doesn't seem they are ready to make a move like that. There's a few WR they could sign reasonably in FA. DJ Chark or Thielen could start for this team. Jakobi Meyers obviously would be a 1 here.

Yes Van's dead and he's not much but then they don't have much, they just passed the Giants as worst WR group in the league.

As for Hop I have no idea, just spitballing and maybe they'd prefer to go in a different direction but a lot reasons for it to make sense, at least to me.

I think he's a WR1, I don't view Meyers or those others in that regard. Would be a big assist to whoever they draft. They don't have a #1 or #2 pick next year so no reason to try and delay the process of trying to compete. Their defense is strong, the division is weak, and if the rookie can provide them competent play they might think they can win the division.

As for Hopkins he is from South Carolina, not quite returning home but in the close vicinity, and Shawn was his WR coach last year.

Probably never happen, lol.

It's an interesting thought for sure. I sense Hopkins is more of a trade than a cut though.

I wouldn’t give up too much for him though.

 

[FairWarning]

I am not really sold Young or Stroud, but this seems a very reasonable price to pay to move to #1

As a Bears fan I thought they could have got more. It’s still a great haul for Chicago. If the Panthers make the right choice at 1.1, it’s most likely a win-win for both sides.

 

[zamboni]

I am not really sold Young or Stroud, but this seems a very reasonable price to pay to move to #1

As a Bears fan I thought they could have got more. It’s still a great haul for Chicago. If the Panthers make the right choice at 1.1, it’s most likely a win-win for both sides.

I thought the Bears got a haul, considering there is no clear cut #1 overall, and not like any of them, while all having considerable upside, seem to be generational talents.

 

[FairWarning]

I am not really sold Young or Stroud, but this seems a very reasonable price to pay to move to #1

As a Bears fan I thought they could have got more. It’s still a great haul for Chicago. If the Panthers make the right choice at 1.1, it’s most likely a win-win for both sides.

I thought the Bears got a haul, considering there is no clear cut #1 overall, and not like any of them, while all having considerable upside, seem to be generational talents.

I was for the constant trading down. I guess I’m still in shock that the bears actually added assets, usually they give them up. One thing the Bears need to do is build a Lovie Smith statue.

 

[zamboni]

I am not really sold Young or Stroud, but this seems a very reasonable price to pay to move to #1

As a Bears fan I thought they could have got more. It’s still a great haul for Chicago. If the Panthers make the right choice at 1.1, it’s most likely a win-win for both sides.

I thought the Bears got a haul, considering there is no clear cut #1 overall, and not like any of them, while all having considerable upside, seem to be generational talents.

I was for the constant trading down. I guess I’m still in shock that the bears actually added assets, usually they give them up. One thing the Bears need to do is build a Lovie Smith statue.

I guess this more than nets out what they paid up to get Fields two years ago.

 

[Faust]

NFL Rookie Watch @NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud is reportedly the “QB of choice” for Panthers new head coach Frank Reich.

While, Bryce Young is “favored” by Panthers owner David Tepper.

The Panthers who now own the first overall pick in the Draft have 48 days to decide which QB they will take

https://twitter.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1634380775494766594?s=21

 

[Faust]

McShay: A 'Little Buzz' Anthony Richardson Interests Panthers at No. 1 After Trade

 

[Desert_Power]

NFL Rookie Watch @NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud is reportedly the “QB of choice” for Panthers new head coach Frank Reich.

While, Bryce Young is “favored” by Panthers owner David Tepper.

The Panthers who now own the first overall pick in the Draft have 48 days to decide which QB they will take

https://twitter.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1634380775494766594?s=21

David Tepper should just shut up.

 

[The Commish]

Please tell me this Dalton rumor is just an attempt to distract from the bad trade.

 

[simey]

Please tell me this Dalton rumor is just an attempt to distract from the bad trade.

If he can mentor the rookie QB it may not be a bad signing.

The Cats signed Safety Vonn Bell and TE Hayden Hurst (both from the Bengals). They also signed DT Shy Tuttle (from the Saints).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If he can mentor the rookie QB it may not be a bad signing.

Yeah, I don't see the harm in singing a veteran, either to start the first few games or as a pure back-up. Dalton is better than he's given credit for.

 

[Desert_Power]

Please tell me this Dalton rumor is just an attempt to distract from the bad trade.

If he can mentor the rookie QB it may not be a bad signing.

The Cats signed Safety Vonn Bell and TE Hayden Hurst (both from the Bengals). They also signed DT Shy Tuttle (from the Saints).

Added Miles Sanders too. Still need to address WR, but a good start.

 

[Anarchy99]

I’ve seen a lot of Stroud - you’re selling him way short.

Yeah, Stroud is legit.

At age 20, against UM, MSU, Oregon, Utah, Penn State he averaged 73%, 437 yards, 3.6 TDs, 0.4 Ints
At age 21, against ND, Wisc, MSU, Iowa, PSU, UM, UGA he averaged 70%, 307 yards, 3.4 TDs, 0.7 Ints

Not sure what else you can expect him to do. In the biggest game of his career, against the best team in college football, he was the best player on the field.

Was Stroud much better than Fields? In 10 games against MSU x 2, Wisconsin x 2, PSU x 2, Clemson x 2, Michigan, and Alabama, Fields averaged 66%, 258 yards, 2.7 TD, and 0.4 INT. He also added 46 yards/gm rushing and 0.4 rushing TD (remember, in college, sack yardage is deducted from a QB's rushing yardage, so he likely averaged a lot more than that rushing). The Buckeyes ran more when Fields was around (and Fields himself ran more than Stroud did). In Stroud's first season as starter, OSU had 15 fewer rushing attempts than the first season with Fields as a starter.

In their final seasons, their passing totals were very similar:
Fields 70.2%, 9.3 YPA, 175.6 rating
Stroud 66.3%, 9.5 YPA, 177.7 rating

Stroud probably was a slightly better passer and FIelds a mobile passer and runner. But IMO, neither one outclasses the other. Stroud averaged 7 more attempts per game . . . and based on his 9.8 YPA, that netted him an extra 69 passing yards per game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ve seen a lot of Stroud - you’re selling him way short.

Yeah, Stroud is legit.

At age 20, against UM, MSU, Oregon, Utah, Penn State he averaged 73%, 437 yards, 3.6 TDs, 0.4 Ints
At age 21, against ND, Wisc, MSU, Iowa, PSU, UM, UGA he averaged 70%, 307 yards, 3.4 TDs, 0.7 Ints

Not sure what else you can expect him to do. In the biggest game of his career, against the best team in college football, he was the best player on the field.

Was Stroud much better than Fields? In 10 games against MSU x 2, Wisconsin x 2, PSU x 2, Clemson x 2, Michigan, and Alabama, Fields averaged 66%, 258 yards, 2.7 TD, and 0.4 INT. He also added 46 yards/gm rushing and 0.4 rushing TD (remember, in college, sack yardage is deducted from a QB's rushing yardage, so he likely averaged a lot more than that rushing). The Buckeyes ran more when Fields was around (and Fields himself ran more than Stroud did). In Stroud's first season as starter, OSU had 15 fewer rushing attempts than the first season with Fields as a starter.

In their final seasons, their passing totals were very similar:
Fields 70.2%, 9.3 YPA, 175.6 rating
Stroud 66.3%, 9.5 YPA, 177.7 rating

Stroud probably was a slightly better passer and FIelds a mobile passer and runner. But IMO, neither one outclasses the other. Stroud averaged 7 more attempts per game . . . and based on his 9.8 YPA, that netted him an extra 69 passing yards per game.

If I get anything close to Fields out of Stroud I’ll be thrilled. Even if it’s more with his arm than his legs, points are points.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ve seen a lot of Stroud - you’re selling him way short.

Yeah, Stroud is legit.

At age 20, against UM, MSU, Oregon, Utah, Penn State he averaged 73%, 437 yards, 3.6 TDs, 0.4 Ints
At age 21, against ND, Wisc, MSU, Iowa, PSU, UM, UGA he averaged 70%, 307 yards, 3.4 TDs, 0.7 Ints

Not sure what else you can expect him to do. In the biggest game of his career, against the best team in college football, he was the best player on the field.

Was Stroud much better than Fields? In 10 games against MSU x 2, Wisconsin x 2, PSU x 2, Clemson x 2, Michigan, and Alabama, Fields averaged 66%, 258 yards, 2.7 TD, and 0.4 INT. He also added 46 yards/gm rushing and 0.4 rushing TD (remember, in college, sack yardage is deducted from a QB's rushing yardage, so he likely averaged a lot more than that rushing). The Buckeyes ran more when Fields was around (and Fields himself ran more than Stroud did). In Stroud's first season as starter, OSU had 15 fewer rushing attempts than the first season with Fields as a starter.

In their final seasons, their passing totals were very similar:
Fields 70.2%, 9.3 YPA, 175.6 rating
Stroud 66.3%, 9.5 YPA, 177.7 rating

Stroud probably was a slightly better passer and FIelds a mobile passer and runner. But IMO, neither one outclasses the other. Stroud averaged 7 more attempts per game . . . and based on his 9.8 YPA, that netted him an extra 69 passing yards per game.

They are very comparable. Fields was also an awesome college QB and great NFL prospect that fell way too far in the draft.

 

[The Commish]

I’ve seen a lot of Stroud - you’re selling him way short.

Yeah, Stroud is legit.

At age 20, against UM, MSU, Oregon, Utah, Penn State he averaged 73%, 437 yards, 3.6 TDs, 0.4 Ints
At age 21, against ND, Wisc, MSU, Iowa, PSU, UM, UGA he averaged 70%, 307 yards, 3.4 TDs, 0.7 Ints

Not sure what else you can expect him to do. In the biggest game of his career, against the best team in college football, he was the best player on the field.

Was Stroud much better than Fields? In 10 games against MSU x 2, Wisconsin x 2, PSU x 2, Clemson x 2, Michigan, and Alabama, Fields averaged 66%, 258 yards, 2.7 TD, and 0.4 INT. He also added 46 yards/gm rushing and 0.4 rushing TD (remember, in college, sack yardage is deducted from a QB's rushing yardage, so he likely averaged a lot more than that rushing). The Buckeyes ran more when Fields was around (and Fields himself ran more than Stroud did). In Stroud's first season as starter, OSU had 15 fewer rushing attempts than the first season with Fields as a starter.

In their final seasons, their passing totals were very similar:
Fields 70.2%, 9.3 YPA, 175.6 rating
Stroud 66.3%, 9.5 YPA, 177.7 rating

Stroud probably was a slightly better passer and FIelds a mobile passer and runner. But IMO, neither one outclasses the other. Stroud averaged 7 more attempts per game . . . and based on his 9.8 YPA, that netted him an extra 69 passing yards per game.

If I get anything close to Fields out of Stroud I’ll be thrilled. Even if it’s more with his arm than his legs, points are points.

Are you guys talking from a fantasy perspective or NFL winning games perspective?

 

[simey]

I feel for any remaining Panther fans. Horrific trade

There are still a lot of Panthers fans remaining. Not everyone is a fair weather fan, and the Panthers have always been an up and down team. I don't like Tepper, but I do think there is a lot to like about the staff that was assembled this year, and I do like what they are doing in free agency so far. Only time will tell if the trade is good or not, but taking chances can pay off. I'll let my glass be half full. I do hope fans are patient, though, with the QB that is chosen. Growing pains are expected. If it ends up not working out, they will try again until they get it right. I look forward to the upcoming season.

 

[Ilov80s]

Are you guys talking from a fantasy perspective or NFL winning games perspective?

I was talking real football. Fields was a much better fantasy prospect due to the rushing.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Only time will tell if the trade is good or not, but taking chances can pay off.

If the QB they draft is a franchise guy, the cost will seem like peanuts. It wasn't some tremendous over-pay based on the market.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ve seen a lot of Stroud - you’re selling him way short.

Yeah, Stroud is legit.

At age 20, against UM, MSU, Oregon, Utah, Penn State he averaged 73%, 437 yards, 3.6 TDs, 0.4 Ints
At age 21, against ND, Wisc, MSU, Iowa, PSU, UM, UGA he averaged 70%, 307 yards, 3.4 TDs, 0.7 Ints

Not sure what else you can expect him to do. In the biggest game of his career, against the best team in college football, he was the best player on the field.

Was Stroud much better than Fields? In 10 games against MSU x 2, Wisconsin x 2, PSU x 2, Clemson x 2, Michigan, and Alabama, Fields averaged 66%, 258 yards, 2.7 TD, and 0.4 INT. He also added 46 yards/gm rushing and 0.4 rushing TD (remember, in college, sack yardage is deducted from a QB's rushing yardage, so he likely averaged a lot more than that rushing). The Buckeyes ran more when Fields was around (and Fields himself ran more than Stroud did). In Stroud's first season as starter, OSU had 15 fewer rushing attempts than the first season with Fields as a starter.

In their final seasons, their passing totals were very similar:
Fields 70.2%, 9.3 YPA, 175.6 rating
Stroud 66.3%, 9.5 YPA, 177.7 rating

Stroud probably was a slightly better passer and FIelds a mobile passer and runner. But IMO, neither one outclasses the other. Stroud averaged 7 more attempts per game . . . and based on his 9.8 YPA, that netted him an extra 69 passing yards per game.

If I get anything close to Fields out of Stroud I’ll be thrilled. Even if it’s more with his arm than his legs, points are points.

Are you guys talking from a fantasy perspective or NFL winning games perspective?

Yes

But mostly FF points. And I have fields so I’m well aware that his legs are a FF cheat code & Stroud won’t give us anything like that.

Peyton Manning didn’t run much & he was pretty good for FF points. Not saying Stroud’s the next P.Manning, but we tend to get a little obsessed with rushing QBs.

 

[The Commish]

I’ve seen a lot of Stroud - you’re selling him way short.

Yeah, Stroud is legit.

At age 20, against UM, MSU, Oregon, Utah, Penn State he averaged 73%, 437 yards, 3.6 TDs, 0.4 Ints
At age 21, against ND, Wisc, MSU, Iowa, PSU, UM, UGA he averaged 70%, 307 yards, 3.4 TDs, 0.7 Ints

Not sure what else you can expect him to do. In the biggest game of his career, against the best team in college football, he was the best player on the field.

Was Stroud much better than Fields? In 10 games against MSU x 2, Wisconsin x 2, PSU x 2, Clemson x 2, Michigan, and Alabama, Fields averaged 66%, 258 yards, 2.7 TD, and 0.4 INT. He also added 46 yards/gm rushing and 0.4 rushing TD (remember, in college, sack yardage is deducted from a QB's rushing yardage, so he likely averaged a lot more than that rushing). The Buckeyes ran more when Fields was around (and Fields himself ran more than Stroud did). In Stroud's first season as starter, OSU had 15 fewer rushing attempts than the first season with Fields as a starter.

In their final seasons, their passing totals were very similar:
Fields 70.2%, 9.3 YPA, 175.6 rating
Stroud 66.3%, 9.5 YPA, 177.7 rating

Stroud probably was a slightly better passer and FIelds a mobile passer and runner. But IMO, neither one outclasses the other. Stroud averaged 7 more attempts per game . . . and based on his 9.8 YPA, that netted him an extra 69 passing yards per game.

If I get anything close to Fields out of Stroud I’ll be thrilled. Even if it’s more with his arm than his legs, points are points.

Are you guys talking from a fantasy perspective or NFL winning games perspective?

Yes

But mostly FF points. And I have fields so I’m well aware that his legs are a FF cheat code & Stroud won’t give us anything like that.

Peyton Manning didn’t run much & he was pretty good for FF points. Not saying Stroud’s the next P.Manning, but we tend to get a little obsessed with rushing QBs.

Thanks....as a fan, I'm not all that concerned about FF as I am winning games. In my view Stoud is pretty much Fields minus the ability/willingness to use his legs to bail him out when his read is wrong. For him to be successful early they are going to need a sound running game and sound offensive line to protect him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Stoud is pretty much Fields minus the ability/willingness to use his legs to bail him out when his read is wrong.

I feel like he changed that perception in the Peach Bowl, where he regularly used his legs to extend plays, and even had a nice rushing line.

Everyone was like “oh snap, he can do that?!” - really opened up some eyes.

But now that we know he has the ability, I believe he’s vaulted himself into the 1.01 - without that performance I’m not sure the Panthers go all in like they’ve done (assuming that’s who they take, of course).

 

[The Commish]

Stoud is pretty much Fields minus the ability/willingness to use his legs to bail him out when his read is wrong.

I feel like he changed that perception in the Peach Bowl, where he regularly used his legs to extend plays, and even had a nice rushing line.

Everyone was like “oh snap, he can do that?!” - really opened up some eyes.

But now that we know he has the ability, I believe he’s vaulted himself into the 1.01 - without that performance I’m not sure the Panthers go all in like they’ve done (assuming that’s who they take, of course).

The ability has always been there. It was always a mystery as to why he didn't do it. He's done it in one game. In my view, it's a fool's errand to ignore the obvious tendency for the exception when they are evaluating. Habits are what they are and we tend to default to them when under pressure.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The ability has always been there. It was always a mystery as to why he didn't do it. He's done it in one game. In my view, it's a fool's errand to ignore the obvious tendency for the exception when they are evaluating. Habits are what they are and we tend to default to them when under pressure.

True, but he also had excellent weapons and a solid OL. He used his mobility to shift around in the pocket & extend plays. He just didn’t scramble much - this could have easily been about style of play/coaching, because clearly he has the ability.’

Personally I’d rather have a pocket passer who can run than a running QB. Less chance for injury. Which is another means of comparing Stroud to Fields.

I’m hoping with improved OL play and improved weapons that we’ll see a little less heroics for Fields. I didn’t like seeing him get beat up every week.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It feels like there is more fantasy angle vs true NFL optics so let me share what I see when folks are getting excited about anything Carolina does under the guidance of Tepper

Some folks applaud because they opened up their game box, pulled out the chess board and are now positioning their chess/game pieces.
What else would they be doing?
I actually don't think they should be spending a lot of money on RB and back up QBs, they're drafting a Rookie QB at No 1, we all know it.

-Build the OL
-Build the DL
-Build the OL up some more
-Build the DL up some more

If they want to get better, they're going to need a lot more than Miles Sanders. He was underperforming much of his time in Philly for different reasons.
He did well this year and they went to the Super Bowl but I don't feel like Miles Sanders carried them into the Playoffs.
He did what he was asked to do and I don't think he was overly special, that's my opinion.

Carolina is going to lose a lot of football games over the next couple seasons.
I anticipate seeing them right back in the Top10 next year

 

[The Commish]

The ability has always been there. It was always a mystery as to why he didn't do it. He's done it in one game. In my view, it's a fool's errand to ignore the obvious tendency for the exception when they are evaluating. Habits are what they are and we tend to default to them when under pressure.

True, but he also had excellent weapons and a solid OL. He used his mobility to shift around in the pocket & extend plays. He just didn’t scramble much - this could have easily been about style of play/coaching, because clearly he has the ability.’

Personally I’d rather have a pocket passer who can run than a running QB. Less chance for injury. Which is another means of comparing Stroud to Fields.

I’m hoping with improved OL play and improved weapons that we’ll see a little less heroics for Fields. I didn’t like seeing him get beat up every week.

I am firmly in the camp that would place the bet that the weapons made him better and not the other way around, so you'll get no argument out of me. Throw in the system they use at OSU against DBs who are usually way less skilled than the WRs and you begin to see a pattern and a base for my concern. Panthers gave up a ton and will still likely be losing a lot the next few years (hopefully not longer).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am firmly in the camp that would place the bet that the weapons made him better and not the other way around, so you'll get no argument out of me.

I firmly disagree. Based on his combine accuracy drills alone it’s obvious that it was a two- street. Stroud absolutely made his WRs better - without his pinpoint accuracy, reads, timing, and extending of plays, there is no winning football.

You can’t possible claim that his WRs made him better yet deny the converse. Cmon.

I guess we’ll find out for certain if the post DJM receiving corps of CAR performs well this year. It’ll be harder to make that claim if Stroud gets productive seasons out of that motley crew.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There's rumors that Tepper is in love with Richardson from Univ of Florida
Some think he's the 4th best in the NFL Draft, maybe 5th
You don't trade all that capital to go from 9th to 1st just to play it safe and take Stroud
I'll let you all ruminate over the idea of Richardson being the No 1 overall

Report: Panthers choosing between CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson

According to PFN's Tony Pauline, the Panthers are targeting CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson in the 2023 draft.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[The Commish]

I am firmly in the camp that would place the bet that the weapons made him better and not the other way around, so you'll get no argument out of me.

I firmly disagree. Based on his combine accuracy drills alone it’s obvious that it was a two- street. Stroud absolutely made his WRs better - without his pinpoint accuracy, reads, timing, and extending of plays, there is no winning football.

You can’t possible claim that his WRs made him better yet deny the converse. Cmon.

I guess we’ll find out for certain if the post DJM receiving corps of CAR performs well this year. It’ll be harder to make that claim if Stroud gets productive seasons out of that motley crew.

That's fine. Time will tell for sure. And as I stated, if I had to place the bet, that's how I'd vote. They likely had impact on each other. I just think he was more influenced by them...that's all. I just know that his windows in the NFL are going to be a fraction of the size they were in college so his accuracy will definitely be tested. But I also don't care all that much about combine drills either. I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game where the conditions were remotely close to those drills....maybe the pregame warm up time?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But I also don't care all that much about combine drills either. I don't think I've ever seen an NFL game where the conditions were remotely close to those drills....maybe the pregame warm up time?

While that’s true to an extent, there are some that directly translate.

Accuracy drills for QBs, shuttle drills for RB, etc.

Stroud put on a clinic. Like, historic accuracy. And that directly translates to the NFL. Velocity on deep balls is far less relevant than “can he put it in a tight window to all levels of the field”.

So if we’re talking about Levis or ARich heaving it downfield at x MPH, sure, I roll my eyes a bit. But Stroud’s accuracy is highly relevant and likely why he’s going to go 1.01

And it absolutely helped his WR in college.

 

[Terpman22]

There's rumors that Tepper is in love with Richardson from Univ of Florida
Some think he's the 4th best in the NFL Draft, maybe 5th
You don't trade all that capital to go from 9th to 1st just to play it safe and take Stroud
I'll let you all ruminate over the idea of Richardson being the No 1 overall

Report: Panthers choosing between CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson

According to PFN's Tony Pauline, the Panthers are targeting CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson in the 2023 draft.

sports.yahoo.com

I have been thinking Richardson had been the play since they moved up. Signing Dalton, to me, only strengthens that stance IMO. I don't think Bryce or CJ need as much a mentor type like Richardson was. Now you add in Miles Sanders who is coming off his best season in an RPO scheme. Connecting dots....

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have been thinking Richardson had been the play since they moved up. Signing Dalton, to me, only strengthens that stance IMO. I don't think Bryce or CJ need as much a mentor type like Richardson was. Now you add in Miles Sanders who is coming off his best season in an RPO scheme. Connecting dots....

They didn’t have to move to 1.01 for ARich though.

 

[Terpman22]

I have been thinking Richardson had been the play since they moved up. Signing Dalton, to me, only strengthens that stance IMO. I don't think Bryce or CJ need as much a mentor type like Richardson was. Now you add in Miles Sanders who is coming off his best season in an RPO scheme. Connecting dots....

They didn’t have to move to 1.01 for ARich though.

Maybe maybe not, but they did have to compete with other teams to get up that high, and probably didn't have takers at 2-3-4-5 spots to move up as those teams may take QB's. New coach, yadda yadda yadda, "they went up to get their guys" vs "lets hope for the best"

Not saying its definite, but a lot of people said the Giants could have drafted Daniel Jones with their 2nd 1st round pick instead of #6 overall the year he came out.

I'm just here sharing my thoughts. I agree with the sentiment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe maybe not, but they did have to compete with other teams to get up that high, and probably didn't have takers at 2-3-4-5 spots to move up as those teams may take QB's. New coach, yadda yadda yadda, "they went up to get their guys" vs "lets hope for the best"

Not saying its definite, but a lot of people said the Giants could have drafted Daniel Jones with their 2nd 1st round pick instead of #6 overall the year he came out.

I'm just here sharing my thoughts. I agree with the sentiment.

IMO, AZ would have dealt the 3, and the only reason to move to 1.01 was for Stroud or Young.

ARich had an impressive combine, but based on his limited game film is still a 2-3 year project. I just can't see him going 1.01. If the Panthers do that, then I believe they'll be hiring a new GM in the next couple of years.

You could be right, I just think it would be crazy. I also think the Texans & Colts would be doing backflips of joy in their respective war rooms.

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe maybe not, but they did have to compete with other teams to get up that high, and probably didn't have takers at 2-3-4-5 spots to move up as those teams may take QB's. New coach, yadda yadda yadda, "they went up to get their guys" vs "lets hope for the best"

Not saying its definite, but a lot of people said the Giants could have drafted Daniel Jones with their 2nd 1st round pick instead of #6 overall the year he came out.

I'm just here sharing my thoughts. I agree with the sentiment.

IMO, AZ would have dealt the 3, and the only reason to move to 1.01 was for Stroud or Young.

ARich had an impressive combine, but based on his limited game film is still a 2-3 year project. I just can't see him going 1.01. If the Panthers do that, then I believe they'll be hiring a new GM in the next couple of years.

You could be right, I just think it would be crazy. I also think the Texans & Colts would be doing backflips of joy in their respective war rooms.

I'm with ya. I think the top 2 guys are way better than the rest. AZ is a weird run franchise IMO and they got a new Defensive minded HC who I think is salivating at the chance to take Will Anderson. Personal opinion on what AZ may do and why they might not trade back.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe maybe not, but they did have to compete with other teams to get up that high, and probably didn't have takers at 2-3-4-5 spots to move up as those teams may take QB's. New coach, yadda yadda yadda, "they went up to get their guys" vs "lets hope for the best"

Not saying its definite, but a lot of people said the Giants could have drafted Daniel Jones with their 2nd 1st round pick instead of #6 overall the year he came out.

I'm just here sharing my thoughts. I agree with the sentiment.

IMO, AZ would have dealt the 3, and the only reason to move to 1.01 was for Stroud or Young.

ARich had an impressive combine, but based on his limited game film is still a 2-3 year project. I just can't see him going 1.01. If the Panthers do that, then I believe they'll be hiring a new GM in the next couple of years.

You could be right, I just think it would be crazy. I also think the Texans & Colts would be doing backflips of joy in their respective war rooms.

I'm with ya. I think the top 2 guys are way better than the rest. AZ is a weird run franchise IMO and they got a new Defensive minded HC who I think is salivating at the chance to take Will Anderson. Personal opinion on what AZ may do and why they might not trade back.

I don't disagree - unless it's the Colts at 4, and I don't see why the Colts would make such a move for the exact same reason. They'll get their guy regardless

 

[Faust]

Schefter: Bryce Young 'Favorite' Over C.J. Stroud for Panthers' No. 1 Draft Pick

 

[Jayrok]

There's rumors that Tepper is in love with Richardson from Univ of Florida
Some think he's the 4th best in the NFL Draft, maybe 5th
You don't trade all that capital to go from 9th to 1st just to play it safe and take Stroud
I'll let you all ruminate over the idea of Richardson being the No 1 overall

Report: Panthers choosing between CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson

According to PFN's Tony Pauline, the Panthers are targeting CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson in the 2023 draft.

sports.yahoo.com

Good grief. I thought he was in love with Young. Like was mentioned earlier, the Panthers wouldn't have needed to move to #1 for Richardson, imo. I think the post-combine hype will have simmered some by April. Also after Young throws at pro day, it seems.

I'd think they could have swapped with someone in the 3-6 range to get him, and save some of that large haul that the Bears received. Course what do I know?

 

[Faust]

Panthers HC Frank Reich said whatever rookie quarterback he drafts is "going to get a lot of reps" in hopes he can start right away.​

This is good news for early drafters taking shots on the likes of Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud in early best ball drafts. After acquiring the No. 1 overall pick from the Bears earlier this month, Reich said he plans on meeting with each of the top-four quarterbacks in the 2023 class for a top-30 visit prior to the draft. Additionally, he also downplayed concerns over Young's height when asked about how that could affect his decision to draft him. The Panthers recently signed Andy Dalton to a two-year contract earlier this offseason, giving the team a capable starter should their rookie not be ready to start Week 1.
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SOURCE: David Newton on Twitter
Mar 20, 2023, 1:06 PM ET

 

[BassNBrew]

WTF...

Radio raving about free agent pickups. Personally I like Penny over Sanders straight, much less at a 50% discount. Also a 3 year contract for a 33 YO WR. Could have had JuJu for about the same price. Thelien is an insanely bad signing.

 

[BassNBrew]

How the Panthers get Chark. Any ideas on what that would cost?

 

[Max Power]

How the Panthers get Chark. Any ideas on what that would cost?

Probably 8-9 mil a year in this market.

 

[simey]

WTF...

Radio raving about free agent pickups. Personally I like Penny over Sanders straight, much less at a 50% discount. Also a 3 year contract for a 33 YO WR. Could have had JuJu for about the same price. Thelien is an insanely bad signing.

Juju may not have wanted to go to the Panthers, and he may not have been who the Panthers were looking for. They said that Thielen is what they feel their WR room needs right now, which they said is a leader and he has a lot of command and respect. They are aware of his age. He was in negotiations with Dallas and the Broncos when he chose the Panthers, so other teams were interested in him too. He felt like the Panthers were his best fit. I think I read somewhere where he said he saw himself playing for three more years, and so the Panthers made his contract for three years. It would be nice if Chark signs too, but no matter what, I think they aren't done yet where WR is concerned. The Panthers have a good OL, and I'm excited to see what Miles can do. The mystery is who will be the starting QB.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The mystery is who will be the starting QB.

If I was betting on it, Stroud.

 

[Birdie048]

WTF...

Radio raving about free agent pickups. Personally I like Penny over Sanders straight, much less at a 50% discount. Also a 3 year contract for a 33 YO WR. Could have had JuJu for about the same price. Thelien is an insanely bad signing.

Juju may not have wanted to go to the Panthers, and he may not have been who the Panthers were looking for. They said that Thielen is what they feel their WR room needs right now, which they said is a leader and he has a lot of command and respect. They are aware of his age. He was in negotiations with Dallas and the Broncos when he chose the Panthers, so other teams were interested in him too. He felt like the Panthers were his best fit. I think I read somewhere where he said he saw himself playing for three more years, and so the Panthers made his contract for three years. It would be nice if Chark signs too, but no matter what, I think they aren't done yet where WR is concerned. The Panthers have a good OL, and I'm excited to see what Miles can do. The mystery is who will be the starting QB.

I think they were looking at how he "mentored" Jefferson and they need a Veteran Presence in the WR Room to help develop the young WR. There is no real leadership there...
DJ Moore was really intended to be a leader, but just the WR1. They need "inside the WR Room Coaching" more than WR Coach Shawn Jefferson can give. Shawn Jefferson worked with Calvin Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins so I have to believe he is looking for a Role Model in Thielen and not a WR1 (IMO).

 

[Faust]

Panthers GM Scott Fitterer on trading up to No. 1: 'We wanted to be in position to get a QB'

Panthers Have No Margin for Error with No. 1 Draft Pick After 2023 Offseason Moves