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2023 Cleveland Browns - 7-5, Jaguars Limping into Cleveland (7 Viewers)
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
Still plenty to clean up, yes. But was more than just "better" today, imo
amnesiac
beer is good
yes, that ten yard backwards pass was magical.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
There's only one undefeated AFC team
Soulfly3
Footballguy
his sole bad play of the day. next play ended up a 30-40yd penalty downfield, so it didnt cost us at all.
basically you just hate him no matter what - what MORE could you want out of yesterday? numbers were great. escaped countless insane pressures. was accurate. and we won.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Best defense in the NFL
amnesiac
beer is good
not sure where you're getting that i "hate" Watson?
he had some really nice throws, but he still doesn't seem completely in sync with his receivers.
he's not going to get bailed out by constant dpi's all the time moving forwards.
and imo, he needs to make quicker decisions, and at times, he needs to just throw the ball away.
so yeah, he was better yesterday. still lots to clean up.
beer 30
Footballguy
And it's not even close
But that's kinda his MO is it not? I think what you saw yesterday was pretty classic Watson. Don't disagree with you but I'm also thinking that's what you have to work with so make it work rather than trying to remake the player.
amnesiac
beer is good
you're probably right, it just seems like he's constantly reacting instead of seeing it before it happens if that makes sense?
maybe i just need to get used to watching him play.
i do think his timing with his receivers will improve and he can start putting the ball on them in stride.
amnesiac
beer is good
i met him a few times, seems like a good dude.
he beat it once, i hope he can beat it again.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Clowney says no bad blood
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Yeah, right.
Last year he quit on the team and said the Browns were more concerned about getting Myles Garrett into the Hall of Fame rather than winning.
Its revenge for him but it's also a game that Myles must have circled on his calendar, and I have to think the O-Line is motivated as well.
Doesn't really matter, the story of this game is that the D is finally facing a top-QB who is healthy and who can do damage with his legs and who has owned us.
Week 1, Joe Burrow was injured and played in poor weather.
Week 2, Pickett isn't a top QB and was rattled.
Week 3, Tannehill? Nah.
The big question is how the defense will perform this week going up against Lamar Jackson?
Don't expect the defense to dominate.
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Yeah, right.
Last year he quit on the team and said the Browns were more concerned about getting Myles Garrett into the Hall of Fame rather than winning.
Its revenge for him but it's also a game that Myles must have circled on his calendar, and I have to think the O-Line is motivated as well.
Doesn't really matter, the story of this game is that the D is finally facing a top-QB who is healthy and who can do damage with his legs and who has owned us.
Week 1, Joe Burrow was injured and played in poor weather.
Week 2, Pickett isn't a top QB and was rattled.
Week 3, Tannehill? Nah.
The big question is how the defense will perform this week going up against Lamar Jackson?
Don't expect the defense to dominate.
amnesiac
beer is good
i'm sure Jackson will torch the Browns for a few big plays on some runs. he's like a cheat code out there at times.
overall, i'm sure we'll see another strong defensive performance, and i'd be surprised if the Ravens can score a lot of points.
let's say... Browns 24-13.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Our defense is good but credit Lamar, he played well.
Losing Chubb was a gut punch, not having Deshaun on-top of losing Chubb killed the offense.
DTR looked good in the first two preseason games. It was fun but then...
First reg flag to me came with DTR was in the 3rd preseason game. He wasn't impressive and it should be obvious to all that he's nowhere near ready to start an NFL game.
Once our D knew the offense couldn't generate any points you could see them get fatigued and essentially give up because we had no chance with a rookie 5th round pick with zero NFL experience.
I mean, come on. Take away the top-two playmakers on any NFL offense and make them start a rookie 5th round pick with no NFL experience and what is the expectation?
beer 30
Footballguy
Pretty confident they will overcome this, we have a good defense and Lamar pretty regularly wears us out no matter what.
I'm much more concerned with O-line play and the building controversy regarding our $230m man. The HC threw him under the bus in a big way yesterday.
amnesiac
beer is good
yeah, wtf was that about? i just heard about it this morning on the radio.
why in the world would he say that?
only thing i could think of was that it was going to get out one way or the other and he wanted to get ahead of it?
Galileo
Footballguy
I don't see it that way, he basically just described what happened. If you think making public statements is "throwing under the bus" then so be it. The organization has 230 million reasons to hold him accountable.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
From a Ravens fan's perspective, this is what shocked me the most in that game. Baltimore had more free runs at the QB or RB than I can count. Were most of the Browns starting OL hurt on Sunday?
beer 30
Footballguy
Sure if you want to put the onus on your QB. He absolutely could have said something more diplomatic. My take, Stefanski thought up to Sunday morning, Watson was starting. Watson had said all week he was going to start and the gameplan was based around that and then he didn't. Coach got frustrated, got his *** kicked because he either didn't have time to change the game plan (BS IMO) or he thought DTR could handle it. Either way he was way wrong on all accounts and I think he wanted to deflect some to Watson.
Check out the second play on this short vid. Think they were having trouble with that switch most of the day. Won't pick on Jed because it's too easy but his effort doesn't help.
amnesiac
beer is good
RT Conklin out for the year, his replacement is a Rookie.
C was injured during the game
LT struggles against good teams.
beer 30
Footballguy
As a Brown's fan living close to Charlotte for the last 15 years, I'm getting Cam Newton vibes from this injury. I hope not but my Spidey Sense is tingling.
amnesiac
beer is good
now they're saying PJ Walker would start if Watson can't go?
they'll have to drop someone from the roster or put Watson on IR.
beer 30
Footballguy
I'm sure Kev will devise a great game plan to protect him like he did last week for DTR...oh, wait...
We're so ****ed
Yenrub
Footballguy
I heard that the weather is supposed to be bad this weekend, high winds.
Galileo
Footballguy
I'm local and I have not seen anything in the weather reports about high wind. There may be a little rain, but nothing out of the ordinary.
amnesiac
beer is good
i haven’t heard anything either, but if there is bad weather they’ll throw it every play trying to trick the other team.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Wait, what happened to DTR?
Galileo
Footballguy
Nothing, other than he was flat out bad in his debut
amnesiac
beer is good
correct, they have realized he's just not ready to start, and have decided that they don't want to ruin him by running him out there again.
also, people have to remember, they signed PJ Walker AFTER final cutdowns, so this gave him 2 additional weeks to learn the playbook.
DTR was the more logical choice in week 4 because he had been on the team all summer.
eagles 123
Footballguy
Trap game for the niners
Galileo
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
seeing 9.5 most places now.
i don't gamble, but it is amazing how often the spread is close to the result.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It is, but only against a healthy team coming out of the bye. Somehow the Browns emerged from the week off even more battered and bruised. 9ers only need ~17 points to win this one.
Dez
Footballguy
Should have not lost that Pittsburgh game. Season trending toward another wasted year if Watson can't come back soon. I would put chances of beating SF at less than 5% you just got crushed at home to Baltimore 28-3 and SF is a lot better team. Going to be a blood bath tomorrow. Should have kept Dobbs.
Mr.Blonde
Footballguy
86% of games come within 1.5 points of the spread. Moose and Rocco know what they are doing.
amnesiac
beer is good
wow i didn’t know that! thanks.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
So what do we know about PJ Walker? Does he like throwing to his RBs? (Jerome Ford manager here)
amnesiac
beer is good
no offense, but i suspect you’re up a certain creek and you are without a paddle.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ummmm, I don't think so.
Just last week alone only like 3-4 games were within 1.5 points of the spread.
eagles 123
Footballguy
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