BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Welp, likely no Decker this week. Amazing this offensive line has had the same starters for the entire Holmes/Campbell era and they have played exactly one game together.
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2023 Detroit Lions 9-3: "Lions Go Marching Out of New Orleans with Win over Saints" (14 Viewers)
- Thread starter Da Guru
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Line dropped to -5 after the Decker news. Still far from the -2 to -2.5 it was during the off-season and before week one. And of both Seattle tackles also being out.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Of course it’s just a bit of fun … but as a life time “metro” Detroiter - I can def see the riff-raff taking this too far, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear a bunch of reports of blue ski-masked jerks, doing jerky things after the game.
I don’t want that on my city, yo.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Some random Lions PFF stats:
- Mahomes was the least blitzed QB in the NFL in week 1
- Goff had 2nd highest passer rating when not blitzed (119.2)
- PFF credited Goff with 2 dropped passes by receivers, Mahomes w/ 3
- Goff had most batted passes at the line (3)
- Mahomes pressured 20x (6th most) vs Goff 10x (23rd)
- Mahomes had highest "time to throw" in NFL at 3.39 sec (likely due to extending the play. Goff 3rd lowest at 2.34 sec
- Sam LaPorta caught all 5 of his targets
- LaPorta tied for third most rec (5)by a TE -- most rec by any of the rookie TEs
- LaPorta lined up wide 13 times, 2nd most in NFL for TE behind only Chiefs TE Noah Gray
- LaPorta 2nd highest pass block grade for TEs in NFL (80.4 on 5 snaps)
- Gibbs 5th best RB rush per carry average at 6.0 (min 20% of rush att)
- Gibbs 3rd highest graded RB
- Marvin Jones was second lowest graded WR, only Toney graded worse in NFL
- Halapoulivaati Vaitai was the 2nd highest O-linemen overall graded (88.4)
- Barnes was the 4th highest graded (90.6) LB for run defense
- Onwuzurike had 2 total pressures on 14 pass rush snaps
- Hutch had 7 total pressures, the 3 ahead of him had 8 (one of those 3 was DT Jalen Carter)
- Jerry Jacobs had 3 missed tackles -- tied for 3rd most (leaders had 4)
- Sutton allowed 2 catches for 39 yards on 5 targets
- Brian Branch lined up in the slot 37 times, 6 in the box, 1 out wide, 0 deep
- Branch had the 3rd highest zone coverage grade (85.0) of all CBs
- Kerby Joseph lined up in the slot 21 times, 22 in the box, 1 out wide, 19 deep
- Gardner-Johnson lined up in the slot 11 times, 12 in the box, 4 out wide, 38 deep
- Gardner-Johnson had 2 PBUs. Tied for most by a safety.
- Gardner-Johnson 6th highest run defense grade for all safeties. Run-stop % was 3rd highest
- Mahomes was the least blitzed QB in the NFL in week 1
- Goff had 2nd highest passer rating when not blitzed (119.2)
- PFF credited Goff with 2 dropped passes by receivers, Mahomes w/ 3
- Goff had most batted passes at the line (3)
- Mahomes pressured 20x (6th most) vs Goff 10x (23rd)
- Mahomes had highest "time to throw" in NFL at 3.39 sec (likely due to extending the play. Goff 3rd lowest at 2.34 sec
- Sam LaPorta caught all 5 of his targets
- LaPorta tied for third most rec (5)by a TE -- most rec by any of the rookie TEs
- LaPorta lined up wide 13 times, 2nd most in NFL for TE behind only Chiefs TE Noah Gray
- LaPorta 2nd highest pass block grade for TEs in NFL (80.4 on 5 snaps)
- Gibbs 5th best RB rush per carry average at 6.0 (min 20% of rush att)
- Gibbs 3rd highest graded RB
- Marvin Jones was second lowest graded WR, only Toney graded worse in NFL
- Halapoulivaati Vaitai was the 2nd highest O-linemen overall graded (88.4)
- Barnes was the 4th highest graded (90.6) LB for run defense
- Onwuzurike had 2 total pressures on 14 pass rush snaps
- Hutch had 7 total pressures, the 3 ahead of him had 8 (one of those 3 was DT Jalen Carter)
- Jerry Jacobs had 3 missed tackles -- tied for 3rd most (leaders had 4)
- Sutton allowed 2 catches for 39 yards on 5 targets
- Brian Branch lined up in the slot 37 times, 6 in the box, 1 out wide, 0 deep
- Branch had the 3rd highest zone coverage grade (85.0) of all CBs
- Kerby Joseph lined up in the slot 21 times, 22 in the box, 1 out wide, 19 deep
- Gardner-Johnson lined up in the slot 11 times, 12 in the box, 4 out wide, 38 deep
- Gardner-Johnson had 2 PBUs. Tied for most by a safety.
- Gardner-Johnson 6th highest run defense grade for all safeties. Run-stop % was 3rd highest
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'm pretty happy with what we have moved on to at HB & TE
no ill will toward former Lions but tbh don't care one way or another, just someone on another team
got value back, move forward
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looking forward to hearing the crowd on the radio broadcast this weekend through the NFL app
should be a fun time
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always good when the division champ starts 0-2
GB is pretty banged up going into Atlanta sans Jones & Watson
Bears are a magical disaster
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Bottom line is always the scoreboard, as in the standings. Lions now a game and a half ahead of the reigning division champs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Really unfortunate Emmanuel Moseley is dealing with a hamstring now. We knew he wouldn’t be ready Week 1; he had a second cleanup procedure in early July which is why didn’t require him to report to the start of TC. First practice was after the 3rd X game, but they didn’t want to put him on the PUP bc his timeline was within the first 4 games.
Hindsight is 20-20, but that development cost Starling Thomas V the last CB roster spot. Cards claimed him, but of course he was a healthy scratch Wk 1. We could use his speed especially with Khalil Dorsey now being out. Water under the bridge.
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Expectations.
Boy, it’s different this year, eh? All of a sudden we have entirely new dynamics. Stay humble, keep ‘em on an even keel. Just won the most significant victory for the franchise in 30+ years? Cool, back to work bc the next team we play has beaten us two straight years and hung 48 on us in Ford Field.
Not being able to get off the field even once [in last year’s Seahawks game] was why we didn’t go to the playoffs. Let the revenge tour begin.
Hindsight is 20-20, but that development cost Starling Thomas V the last CB roster spot. Cards claimed him, but of course he was a healthy scratch Wk 1. We could use his speed especially with Khalil Dorsey now being out. Water under the bridge.
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Expectations.
Boy, it’s different this year, eh? All of a sudden we have entirely new dynamics. Stay humble, keep ‘em on an even keel. Just won the most significant victory for the franchise in 30+ years? Cool, back to work bc the next team we play has beaten us two straight years and hung 48 on us in Ford Field.
Not being able to get off the field even once [in last year’s Seahawks game] was why we didn’t go to the playoffs. Let the revenge tour begin.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Lions were never going to pay Hock. LaPorta will be as good for pennies on the dollar for a few years. That is what this game is about.
Swift is a talented RB so no surprise at having a career day with a good team. I still wish they would have traded Swift to an AFC team and not the defending NFC champs.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Not getting off the field was the theme for the Philly, Seattle, Miami and last quarter of the Minnesota losses and throw In Carolina.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
MCDC Friday Presser
Taylor Decker is "less than questionable" and only has "an outside shot" for the game on Sunday. Wouldn't say what the lineup will be, they're looking a different combinations depending if they put Glasgow at RG with Vitai at RT or Nelson at RT. Sounds like Penei will be the LT if 68 is out.
Josh Paschal also had an "episode" at practice yesterday and won't go today. He said it's not serious, but he could be out for a bit.
On Ben Johnson: "He’s such a chess player...he's got answer for all of it in real time.... Ben’s outstanding. He’s doing a hell of a job. And his own worst critic, too."
Joked with C.J. Gardner-Johnson on asking fans to wear blue ski masks saying, "just remember we've got kids coming to this game" and "let's keep it somewhat friendly here" for the home-opener Sunday.
Said he expects Ford Field to be louder on Sunday than it was at Arrowhead on Thursday.
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Here's the quote:
“We’ve worked a couple of different combinations,” Campbell detailed. “We’ve really done three different things. We’ve kept Sewell over there (at RT). We’ve had (Halapoulivaati) Vaitai move (to LT). We’ve moved Sewell (to LT). We’ve had Vaitai out (at RT), (Graham) Glasgow in (at RG). So we’re going to continue messing with that today, and then we’ll see. The beauty is we’ve got options we feel pretty good about. Certainly, Nelson’s involved in all that as well.”
Based on that:
Based off TC and joint practices, I think they view Glasgow as their 6th starter and Nelson was pretty underwhelming this summer. I think Scenario 1 or 2 is most likely.
Taylor Decker is "less than questionable" and only has "an outside shot" for the game on Sunday. Wouldn't say what the lineup will be, they're looking a different combinations depending if they put Glasgow at RG with Vitai at RT or Nelson at RT. Sounds like Penei will be the LT if 68 is out.
Josh Paschal also had an "episode" at practice yesterday and won't go today. He said it's not serious, but he could be out for a bit.
On Ben Johnson: "He’s such a chess player...he's got answer for all of it in real time.... Ben’s outstanding. He’s doing a hell of a job. And his own worst critic, too."
Joked with C.J. Gardner-Johnson on asking fans to wear blue ski masks saying, "just remember we've got kids coming to this game" and "let's keep it somewhat friendly here" for the home-opener Sunday.
Said he expects Ford Field to be louder on Sunday than it was at Arrowhead on Thursday.
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Here's the quote:
“We’ve worked a couple of different combinations,” Campbell detailed. “We’ve really done three different things. We’ve kept Sewell over there (at RT). We’ve had (Halapoulivaati) Vaitai move (to LT). We’ve moved Sewell (to LT). We’ve had Vaitai out (at RT), (Graham) Glasgow in (at RG). So we’re going to continue messing with that today, and then we’ll see. The beauty is we’ve got options we feel pretty good about. Certainly, Nelson’s involved in all that as well.”
Based on that:
| Scenario 1 | 72 Vaitai | 73 Jackson | 77 Ragnow | 60 Glasgow | 58 Sewell |
| Scenario 2 | 58 Sewell | 73 Jackson | 77 Ragnow | 60 Glasgow | 72 Vaitai |
| Scenario 3 | 58 Sewell | 73 Jackson | 77 Ragnow | 72 Vaitai | 67 Nelson |
Based off TC and joint practices, I think they view Glasgow as their 6th starter and Nelson was pretty underwhelming this summer. I think Scenario 1 or 2 is most likely.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Two things in play here.
1. Johnson does believe in this team and will do everything in his power to help the Lions.
2. On a 1 year "prove it" deal might be looking for a few years tacked to his deal"
I wish he had signed a 3 year deal from the get go like Sutton did and be done with it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Injury report: Decker doubtful, Paschal out
Projecting the active 48:
Presuming Connor Galvin roster elevation from the PS tomorrow, we’ll have a 54 man roster.
Inactives: Taylor Decker, Emmanuel Mosley, Josh Paschal, Khalil Dorsey gets us down to 50.
I'm assuming another one is Brodric Martin, 49.
I could also see us elevating an Alexander (instead of Galvin) this week to return kicks and making Antoine Green or Ifeatu Melifonwu inactive.
Expecting Isaiah Buggs & Steven Gilmore to both be active this week.
ETA: Paschal hurt his knee; MCDC said he didn’t think it was serious but no details
Projecting the active 48:
Presuming Connor Galvin roster elevation from the PS tomorrow, we’ll have a 54 man roster.
Inactives: Taylor Decker, Emmanuel Mosley, Josh Paschal, Khalil Dorsey gets us down to 50.
I'm assuming another one is Brodric Martin, 49.
I could also see us elevating an Alexander (instead of Galvin) this week to return kicks and making Antoine Green or Ifeatu Melifonwu inactive.
Expecting Isaiah Buggs & Steven Gilmore to both be active this week.
ETA: Paschal hurt his knee; MCDC said he didn’t think it was serious but no details
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The Lions beat the Chiefs in KC and have won like 10 of 12 or something, They aren't going to be the laughing stock of the league if they lose to the Seahawks because CJGJ wore a ski mask.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am sure this was posted but god it's nice to have a 22 year old captain with this kind of size, athleticism and mentality. '
"We Locking the Gates Today"
"We Locking the Gates Today"
Moonlight
Footballguy
It’s a step back. I could be wrong but I think there’s going to be a lot of laughter about it come rain or come shine. It’s not a good look and it’s not something comfortable in warm weather as it will be in a crowded sold out indoor stadium.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Nah the ski mask thing is just in right now among a certain hip hop culture segment. It's really not that big of a thing. I fully want to see us embrace the villain role and let go of this awful lovable lion BS. Lions are not supposed to be the good guys. They are killers.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Don’t follow hip hop so I’m out of it. Not crazy about it being necessary to be seen as a villain franchise to be successful.
We are definitely in a new time for Lion football assuming we continue in the direction that fans, players and mgt believe we are going.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It would probably help to have a logo lion that isn't named "Bubbles".
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I would love to relive something similar to the “Bad Boys” Pistons. Tough, blue collar team that would out physical anyone who takes the field with them. Other teams hated them but respected them. Lose the ski mask idea however imo.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Been to many games there. The indoor Ford Field with a sold out crowd is quite warm inside.
No way in hell would I wear a wool ski mask covering my face and head. The full masks are uncomfortable in 20 degree weather outside scratching and itching.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
3rd down, mask down gramps
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ceedy is a villain, for sure. Kerby is a wannabe. ARSB is ruthless, but...villain? He's too nice.
Is that the Brand New Lions personna? IDK, but as I mentioned upthread, I think they're a little sick of "oh look, Detroit might be good"
Bottom line is you want media to "respect you" then win games nobody expected you to. Beating the Pack in Lambeau and Chiefs at Arrowhead is a good starting point.
Surprising how much national media picked up on blue ski mask. Everyone talking about it. Rather, everyone talking about Detroit. Hard to get used to, ain't it?
Other teams respect them. They know they're building something special in Allen Park. Casuals and flyby media, who cares honestly.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Have my blue ski mask (if that's even still a thing in 5 weeks) and ARSB jersey for M&T Bank Stadium; wifey wears 97. We're spending the weekend at Inner Harbor.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
in other news, my blue ski mask from Amazon was delivered today
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Oh, shoot....buried the lead.
This is not a practice squad promotion but a signing. That means he is on the roster for 3 games, e.g., a corresponding move will come before 4pm today. Somebody is getting cut or going on IR.
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Paschal is probably going on IR.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
King High is notable for Sauce Gardner. Other King alumni include Steeler "Frenchy" Fuqua, NBA star George the Iceman Gervin, former Tiger Ron Leflore and Hall of Fame boxing trainer Emanuel Steward.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@Justin_Rogers
Lions have placed Josh Paschal and Khalil Dorsey on IR. Chase Lucas will take one of those roster spots.
Also, Taylor Decker has been downgraded to out.
EDIT
Elevated Kayode Awosika to active roster via standard practice squad elevation
Lions have placed Josh Paschal and Khalil Dorsey on IR. Chase Lucas will take one of those roster spots.
Also, Taylor Decker has been downgraded to out.
EDIT
Elevated Kayode Awosika to active roster via standard practice squad elevation
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In 35 games under Campbell, the offensive line has had one game where all 5 were healthy and started
Probably minimal, they're used to it
Sewell probably flip to LT, Glasgow comes off the bench to play RG, Vaitai slides out to RT
Or Sewell LT and Nelson plays RT with Big V staying at RG
Or Vaitai plays LT & Graham plays RG
whatever combo, they spent a lot of time during TC and joint practices cross training the OL to be multiples and have the ability to play more than 1 position
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Seattle playing without both of their starting tackles. Could point to a lower scoring game, but who knows. No excuses, win the game.
Who will Woolen cover? PFF has him at 2 targets, 1 reception allowed last week.
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Tariq Woolen | Seattle Seahawks CB | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks CB Tariq Woolen on Pro Football Focus.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jerome "The Bus" Bettis! Saw him play in high school. Another PSL guy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Who will Woolen cover? PFF has him at 2 targets, 1 reception allowed last week.
Tariq Woolen | Seattle Seahawks CB | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks CB Tariq Woolen on Pro Football Focus.
he's the RCB and doesn't travel
Thanks. Considering picking up Reynolds for a few games.Who will Woolen cover? PFF has him at 2 targets, 1 reception allowed last week.
Tariq Woolen | Seattle Seahawks CB | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks CB Tariq Woolen on Pro Football Focus.
he's the RCB and doesn't travel
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Thanks. Considering picking up Reynolds for a few games.Who will Woolen cover? PFF has him at 2 targets, 1 reception allowed last week.
Tariq Woolen | Seattle Seahawks CB | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks CB Tariq Woolen on Pro Football Focus.
he's the RCB and doesn't travel
Detroit WR alignment
That's ARSB page but scroll to the bottom, they list the alignment for all the RB, TE and WR
St Brown split his 46 Slot snaps evenly L & R, and you can see most of the guys are just as likely to line up on either side
Except for the half season he was a Titan, Reynolds has played his entire career with Jared Goff
He's also played the Seahawks every year
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah not a surprise Detroit has lots of NFL players- just surprised it’s the most.
They really move their receivers around, L, R, Slot, outside. Reynolds is still available in my league, he'd play in place of Cooper who has a groin injury. The prediction for Reynolds is 5.7 non-ppr. Cooper has fallen due to the injury to 7, and he doesn't have the connection with his QB like Reynolds.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
he actually had more RZ targets inside the 10 than Amon-Ra, led the team
only 3 TDs so I wouldn't get too excited but he's def a guy Jared knows will be where he supposed to be
I like LaPorta tomorrow but tbh with Ben Johnson you really don't know other than St Brown will lead them in targets
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, I would have guessed some city in SEC county.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Or Dallas, Houston? Maybe even LA.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Even as a statue he has amazing balance.
