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2023 Detroit Lions 9-3: "Lions take on Da Bears in Da Cold Sunday" (4 Viewers)

Branch was pissed at himself in the locker room

missed a tackle

that's 5 missed tackles in 4 years, his first as a pro
What position did Branch play today? Wondering if he played slot corner or strong safety? Thanks

Slot Corner although they switched up his role (haven't seen the All 22 or an explain as to what that means)

Tracy Walker and Ifeatu Melifonwu played S

former tore his achilles 364 days ago, this was his first start, had an excellent (2 dropped INT but his ball skillz suck lol)

the latter is an underwhelming CB/NCB who had never played Safety until today and held up pretty well
 
rookie contributions Week 3
  • Brian Branch: 11 solo tackles, 3 TFLs, 2 PDs
  • Sam LaPorta: 8 catches, 84 yards, TD
  • Jahmyr Gibbs: 80 yards rushing (4.7 avg)
  • Jack Campbell: 6 tackles, sack
  • Colby Sorsdal: 5th Round pick has been repping at G, got thrown in the fire when the 2nd and 3rd string RTs went down. Gave up a pressure early but held his own in the 2nd half.
 
Lions PR

Since at least 1994, Lions DB Brian Branch is the NFL's only DB to produce a game with:
  • 10+ tackles
  • 3 TFLs
  • 2 PDs

Forget Defensive Rookie of the Week, should get consideration for NFL Defensive Player of the Week.
 
The Lions have now scored at least 20 points for the 12th straight game, the longest active streak in the NFL and the second-longest streak in franchise history.

They also went 12 straight games with at least 20 points from 1989-90.

The franchise record is 13 games.
 
Per The Athletic Week 3 Recap show:

Falcons success rate on run plays: 3 out of 19

averaged (-0.75) yards before contact

3rd worst of the Arthur Smith era (the other two were when Matt Ryan was still around)

this was the second best defensive run defense game for the Lions (best was Vikings last year)
 
Many of these are from the 16 game era, but right around 99% of 0-3 teams don't make the playoffs. Vikings and Bears are both in deep 🙂, although I do expect Minnesota to come back from that at least somewhat.
 
Many of these are from the 16 game era, but right around 99% of 0-3 teams don't make the playoffs. Vikings and Bears are both in deep 🙂, although I do expect Minnesota to come back from that at least somewhat.

Since 2020, 20 of the 33 teams that were 2-1 made the playoffs - 60.6%.
Since 2020, 10 of the 40 teams that were 1-2 made the playoffs - 25%.
Big dub.
 
The rookie class coming through big this week. Branch looks like a DROTY candidate and pushing Hutch for defensive mvp of the team. He sure looked like the best player on the field today.

Branch was the best player on the D yesterday. Not used to see a Detroit secondary player coming up and making plays like Branch can

I loved that postgame he was mad himself for a missed tackle (first of his career.) He had some big hits on Bijan, Pitts & Allgeier. He ain’t that big but he’s a jarring tackler.

Team seemed pretty even after the game. Cool, cool, but tough one coming up so that’s the mindset.

Gotta stay humble bc this league will humble you quick. Few teams thought they had an easy one going into yesterday & they’re having a miserable Monday.
 
Dan Campbell has passed Matt Patricia in wins.

Dan Campbell now has 14 wins in 37 games to Voldemort’s 13 in 43.

He is tied for the 14th most wins in Lions history with Dutch Clark.
 
Week 3 snap counts

(ignore position designations - Sorsdal played RT not G, Melifonwu played S not CB, Cominsky was playing 4I, Branch rotated between Slot CB and SS)

O 70 snaps
RB Gibbs 42, Reynolds 20, Cabinda 10, Knight 7
WR ARSB 66, Reynolds 54, MJJ 29, Raymond 25, Green 14
TE LaPorta 52, Wright 29, Mitchell 2
RT Nelson 18, Skipper 16, Sorsdal 36

D 67 snaps
IDL Cominsky 44, McNeil 40, Buggs 18, Jones 17
ED Hutch 56, Harris 41, Okwara 20, Onwuzurike 9
LB Anzalone 67, Barnes 48, Campbell 38, Rodriguez 20, JRM 3
CB Sutton 67, Jacobs 66, Harris 1
NB/S Branch 67, Waker 67, Melifonwu 48
 
Week 3 snap counts

(ignore position designations - Sorsdal played RT not G, Melifonwu played S not CB, Cominsky was playing 4I, Branch rotated between Slot CB and SS)

O 70 snaps
RB Gibbs 42, Reynolds 20, Cabinda 10, Knight 7
WR ARSB 66, Reynolds 54, MJJ 29, Raymond 25, Green 14
TE LaPorta 52, Wright 29, Mitchell 2
RT Nelson 18, Skipper 16, Sorsdal 36

D 67 snaps
IDL Cominsky 44, McNeil 40, Buggs 18, Jones 17
ED Hutch 56, Harris 41, Okwara 20, Onwuzurike 9
LB Anzalone 67, Barnes 48, Campbell 38, Rodriguez 20, JRM 3
CB Sutton 67, Jacobs 66, Harris 1
NB/S Branch 67, Waker 67, Melifonwu 48


The rookie class coming through big this week. Branch looks like a DROTY candidate and pushing Hutch for defensive mvp of the team. He sure looked like the best player on the field today.

Branch was the best player on the D yesterday. Not used to see a Detroit secondary player c

Week 3 snap counts

(ignore position designations - Sorsdal played RT not G, Melifonwu played S not CB, Cominsky was playing 4I, Branch rotated between Slot CB and SS)

O 70 snaps
RB Gibbs 42, Reynolds 20, Cabinda 10, Knight 7
WR ARSB 66, Reynolds 54, MJJ 29, Raymond 25, Green 14
TE LaPorta 52, Wright 29, Mitchell 2
RT Nelson 18, Skipper 16, Sorsdal 36

D 67 snaps
IDL Cominsky 44, McNeil 40, Buggs 18, Jones 17
ED Hutch 56, Harris 41, Okwara 20, Onwuzurike 9
LB Anzalone 67, Barnes 48, Campbell 38, Rodriguez 20, JRM 3
CB Sutton 67, Jacobs 66, Harris 1
NB/S Branch 67, Waker 67, Melifonwu 48

No snaps at all for Martin. Must be coming along slower. Thought they would work him in for a few snaps late in the game.
 
Week 3 snap counts

(ignore position designations - Sorsdal played RT not G, Melifonwu played S not CB, Cominsky was playing 4I, Branch rotated between Slot CB and SS)

O 70 snaps
RB Gibbs 42, Reynolds 20, Cabinda 10, Knight 7
WR ARSB 66, Reynolds 54, MJJ 29, Raymond 25, Green 14
TE LaPorta 52, Wright 29, Mitchell 2
RT Nelson 18, Skipper 16, Sorsdal 36

D 67 snaps
IDL Cominsky 44, McNeil 40, Buggs 18, Jones 17
ED Hutch 56, Harris 41, Okwara 20, Onwuzurike 9
LB Anzalone 67, Barnes 48, Campbell 38, Rodriguez 20, JRM 3
CB Sutton 67, Jacobs 66, Harris 1
NB/S Branch 67, Waker 67, Melifonwu 48


The rookie class coming through big this week. Branch looks like a DROTY candidate and pushing Hutch for defensive mvp of the team. He sure looked like the best player on the field today.

Branch was the best player on the D yesterday. Not used to see a Detroit secondary player c

Week 3 snap counts

(ignore position designations - Sorsdal played RT not G, Melifonwu played S not CB, Cominsky was playing 4I, Branch rotated between Slot CB and SS)

O 70 snaps
RB Gibbs 42, Reynolds 20, Cabinda 10, Knight 7
WR ARSB 66, Reynolds 54, MJJ 29, Raymond 25, Green 14
TE LaPorta 52, Wright 29, Mitchell 2
RT Nelson 18, Skipper 16, Sorsdal 36

D 67 snaps
IDL Cominsky 44, McNeil 40, Buggs 18, Jones 17
ED Hutch 56, Harris 41, Okwara 20, Onwuzurike 9
LB Anzalone 67, Barnes 48, Campbell 38, Rodriguez 20, JRM 3
CB Sutton 67, Jacobs 66, Harris 1
NB/S Branch 67, Waker 67, Melifonwu 48

No snaps at all for Martin. Must be coming along slower. Thought they would work him in for a few snaps late in the game.
Martin was inactive.
 
Vikings now O - 3

their Iowa TE dropped the ball in the end zone that became a double deflection interception

hit him in the hands

That was a very tough throw and catch. Cousins threw a fastball away from Hockenson. The Vikings end of the game clock management was so awful.

Herbert threw two fastballs to his less heralded TE

#1 from 3 yards
#2 from 1 yard

Neither was an easy grab

Not even remotely the same and who cares what former Lion players do? What is this fascination with former Lions doing poorly? Who cares? The team is good without them.

I am sure we could find throws that were easier to catch they were missed. Hockenson's catch wasn't easy it was thrown behind him and he was covered. I am not going to look, but I would be surprised if it was even classified as a drop.
 
who cares what former Lion players do? What is this fascination with former Lions
I agree with this but it goes both ways and includes possible draft picks . All the Bijan fans were probably just waiting for him to do well against the Lions, since they coulda woulda drafted him at 6 instead of trading back for the combo of Gibbs and LaPorta. let's just go with the guys we have, they definitely seem to be on the right track with the current team they have assembled.
 
IDC one way or another about Hock, was watching the end game & posted what had just happened. I hope Swift balls out, I remain a big fan of Slay’s game, Stafford is a good dude who deserves what he’s achieved out west.
 
Aidan Hutchinson (91.8) and Brian Branch (84.9) lead the way for Lions on defense in PFF grades. Hutchinson with another six pressures, his first two sacks of the year, & a fumble recovery.
 
Vikings now O - 3

their Iowa TE dropped the ball in the end zone that became a double deflection interception

hit him in the hands

That was a very tough throw and catch. Cousins threw a fastball away from Hockenson. The Vikings end of the game clock management was so awful.

Herbert threw two fastballs to his less heralded TE

#1 from 3 yards
#2 from 1 yard

Neither was an easy grab

Never been a second where I questioned the Hockinson trade. Now with LaPorta, even less so if that is possible. Would not take Hock back even if they swapped contracts.
 
Aidan Hutchinson (91.8) and Brian Branch (84.9) lead the way for Lions on defense in PFF grades. Hutchinson with another six pressures, his first two sacks of the year, & a fumble recovery.
Not always agree with PFF, but those are good rankings. As well as Branch played, Hutch had a hell of a game. Branch and LaPorta are playing like top 10 picks. Pro-Bowlers this year.
 
IDC one way or another about Hock, was watching the end game & posted what had just happened. I hope Swift balls out, I remain a big fan of Slay’s game, Stafford is a good dude who deserves what he’s achieved out west.

Will always be a fan of Slay and Stafford. I disowned the Lions with how they treated Slay. Was the Lions stupidest move in history. Sheila was my hero for getting rid of Patrica as fast as she did. Stafford trade was just a great move for all parties.
 
Monday Injury Report (estimated)
  • RT DAN Skipper (hamstring) No Report bc he's on the Practice Squad
  • RT Matt Nelson (ankle) OUT - MCDC said he'll require surgery, headed to IR
  • RG Hal Vaitai (knee) DNP
  • C Frank Ragnow (toe/rest) DNP - regular vet maintenance
  • LG Jonah Jackson (thigh) LP
  • LT Taylor Decker (ankle) LP
  • FB Jason Cabinda (knee) LP
    tl;dr - everybody who blocks is hurting
  • RB David Montgomery (thigh) LP
  • CB Emmanuel Moseley (hamstring/knee) LP
  • S Kerby Joseph (hiip) LP
Hindsight is 20/20 but they lost CB Starling Thomas V bc they didn't want to put Moseley on IR for 4 games.
 
PFF Grades - Defense
  1. DLE Aidan Hutchinson 91.8
  2. SCB Brian Branch 84.9
  3. Alim McNeil 80.8
  4. FS Ifeatu Melifonwu 76.0
  5. RDE Romeo Okwara 74.2
  6. SS Tracy Walker III 73.1
  7. LCB Cam Sutton 68.5
  8. DRE Charles Harris 65.4
  9. WLB Alex Anzalone 63.9
  10. WLB Jaylen Reeves-Maybin 62.0
  11. SCB Will Harris 61.0
  12. MLB Jack Campbell 60.6
  13. NT Isaiah Buggs 59.0
  14. RE John Cominsky 57.5
  15. DLT Levi Onwuzurike 56.5
  16. MLB Derrick Barnes 49.1
  17. DRT Bentio Jones 48.1
  18. RCB Jerry Jacobs 43.2
  19. LB Malcolm Rodriguez 38.4
PFF Grades - Offense
  1. TE Sam LaPorta 80.1
  2. RT Dan Skipper 77.8
  3. WR Kalif Raymon 77.4
  4. QB Jared Goff 76.0
  5. WR ARSB 74.8
  6. LG Jonah Jackson 74.7
  7. RG Graham Glasgow 70.4
  8. HB Craig Reynolds 67.4
  9. C Frank Ragnow 66.2
  10. LT Penei Sewell 62.7
  11. HB Bam Knight 61.3
  12. TE James Mitchell 60.0
  13. HB Jahmyr Gibbs 56.8
  14. WR Antoine Green 56.1
  15. RT Colby Sorsdal 51.9
  16. WR Marvin Jones JR 50.6
  17. WR Josh Reynolds 48.8
  18. RT Matt Nelson 43.5
  19. TE Brock Wright 40.5
  20. FB Jason Cabinda 38.7
PFF Grades - Special Teams (selected top graded players)
  1. P Jack Fox 78.4
  2. Jack Campbell 73.6
  3. Jason Cabinda 73.2
  4. Malcolm Rodriguez 72.2
  5. Craig Reynolds 70.8
  6. Steven Gilmore 66.3
  7. K Riley Paterson 64.2
  8. LS Scott Daly 63.7
  9. PR Kalif Raymond 63.5
  10. Jalen Reeves-Maybin 63.5
  11. Anthony Pittman 62.3
 
PFF Grades - Defense
  1. DLE Aidan Hutchinson 91.8
  2. SCB Brian Branch 84.9
  3. Alim McNeil 80.8
  4. FS Ifeatu Melifonwu 76.0
  5. RDE Romeo Okwara 74.2
  6. SS Tracy Walker III 73.1
  7. LCB Cam Sutton 68.5
  8. DRE Charles Harris 65.4
  9. WLB Alex Anzalone 63.9
  10. WLB Jaylen Reeves-Maybin 62.0
  11. SCB Will Harris 61.0
  12. MLB Jack Campbell 60.6
  13. NT Isaiah Buggs 59.0
  14. RE John Cominsky 57.5
  15. DLT Levi Onwuzurike 56.5
  16. MLB Derrick Barnes 49.1
  17. DRT Bentio Jones 48.1
  18. RCB Jerry Jacobs 43.2
  19. LB Malcolm Rodriguez 38.4
PFF Grades - Offense
  1. TE Sam LaPorta 80.1
  2. RT Dan Skipper 77.8
  3. WR Kalif Raymon 77.4
  4. QB Jared Goff 76.0
  5. WR ARSB 74.8
  6. LG Jonah Jackson 74.7
  7. RG Graham Glasgow 70.4
  8. HB Craig Reynolds 67.4
  9. C Frank Ragnow 66.2
  10. LT Penei Sewell 62.7
  11. HB Bam Knight 61.3
  12. TE James Mitchell 60.0
  13. HB Jahmyr Gibbs 56.8
  14. WR Antoine Green 56.1
  15. RT Colby Sorsdal 51.9
  16. WR Marvin Jones JR 50.6
  17. WR Josh Reynolds 48.8
  18. RT Matt Nelson 43.5
  19. TE Brock Wright 40.5
  20. FB Jason Cabinda 38.7
PFF Grades - Special Teams (selected top graded players)
  1. P Jack Fox 78.4
  2. Jack Campbell 73.6
  3. Jason Cabinda 73.2
  4. Malcolm Rodriguez 72.2
  5. Craig Reynolds 70.8
  6. Steven Gilmore 66.3
  7. K Riley Paterson 64.2
  8. LS Scott Daly 63.7
  9. PR Kalif Raymond 63.5
  10. Jalen Reeves-Maybin 63.5
  11. Anthony Pittman 62.3
Pleased with Iffy M and Alim scores as well. Campbell ahead of Barnes shows the competition going on for the spot.
 
PFF Grades - Defense
  1. DLE Aidan Hutchinson 91.8
  2. SCB Brian Branch 84.9
  3. Alim McNeil 80.8
  4. FS Ifeatu Melifonwu 76.0
  5. RDE Romeo Okwara 74.2
  6. SS Tracy Walker III 73.1
  7. LCB Cam Sutton 68.5
  8. DRE Charles Harris 65.4
  9. WLB Alex Anzalone 63.9
  10. WLB Jaylen Reeves-Maybin 62.0
  11. SCB Will Harris 61.0
  12. MLB Jack Campbell 60.6
  13. NT Isaiah Buggs 59.0
  14. RE John Cominsky 57.5
  15. DLT Levi Onwuzurike 56.5
  16. MLB Derrick Barnes 49.1
  17. DRT Bentio Jones 48.1
  18. RCB Jerry Jacobs 43.2
  19. LB Malcolm Rodriguez 38.4
PFF Grades - Offense
  1. TE Sam LaPorta 80.1
  2. RT Dan Skipper 77.8
  3. WR Kalif Raymon 77.4
  4. QB Jared Goff 76.0
  5. WR ARSB 74.8
  6. LG Jonah Jackson 74.7
  7. RG Graham Glasgow 70.4
  8. HB Craig Reynolds 67.4
  9. C Frank Ragnow 66.2
  10. LT Penei Sewell 62.7
  11. HB Bam Knight 61.3
  12. TE James Mitchell 60.0
  13. HB Jahmyr Gibbs 56.8
  14. WR Antoine Green 56.1
  15. RT Colby Sorsdal 51.9
  16. WR Marvin Jones JR 50.6
  17. WR Josh Reynolds 48.8
  18. RT Matt Nelson 43.5
  19. TE Brock Wright 40.5
  20. FB Jason Cabinda 38.7
PFF Grades - Special Teams (selected top graded players)
  1. P Jack Fox 78.4
  2. Jack Campbell 73.6
  3. Jason Cabinda 73.2
  4. Malcolm Rodriguez 72.2
  5. Craig Reynolds 70.8
  6. Steven Gilmore 66.3
  7. K Riley Paterson 64.2
  8. LS Scott Daly 63.7
  9. PR Kalif Raymond 63.5
  10. Jalen Reeves-Maybin 63.5
  11. Anthony Pittman 62.3
Pleased with Iffy M and Alim scores as well. Campbell ahead of Barnes shows the competition going on for the spot.

Yeah he's earning more snaps.

Alex Anzalone 58-60-65
Derrick Barnes 27-36-46
Jack Campbell 23-22-37
Malcolm Rodriguez 13-16-19
James Houston 19-10-X
Jalen Reeves-Maybin X-X-3

Loved how they had him playing Elephant this week. Lining up at Edge, rushed the passer 9 times (v 0 & 1 the first two games) on 11 true pass rush sets.
 
who cares what former Lion players do? What is this fascination with former Lions
I agree with this but it goes both ways and includes possible draft picks . All the Bijan fans were probably just waiting for him to do well against the Lions, since they coulda woulda drafted him at 6 instead of trading back for the combo of Gibbs and LaPorta. let's just go with the guys we have, they definitely seem to be on the right track with the current team they have assembled.

IDC one way or another about Hock, was watching the end game & posted what had just happened. I hope Swift balls out, I remain a big fan of Slay’s game, Stafford is a good dude who deserves what he’s achieved out west.

Feel same about Hock. Lions will get same production out of LaPorta for pennies on the cap dollar. Stafford had to mutually go. Slay should have been a Lion.

Was hoping Lions kept Swift for a couple of reasons. If we drafted Carter truly believe it would have helped free up Hutch even more as he is a force in the middle.

But even if they did not take Carter the added RB depth never hurts, for 1.7 would have been worth it.

But they will be fine without him.
 
DET Run Defense PFF Grades

PLAYER POSRUN DEF GRADERUN DEF SNAPSTACKLES/ASSISTMISSED TACKLESMISS %RUN STOPSSTOP %AVDTPENALTIES
Brian Branch SCB87.2357/000.0%617.1%1.72
Derrick Barnes LB77.3397/400.0%615.4%1.40
Kerby Joseph S77.1343/000.0%25.9%5.71
CJ Gardner-Johnson S76.0376/01
14.3%
513.5%2.21
Jack Campbell LB75.7234/200.0%00.0%4.80
Josh Paschal DI71.833/000.0%133.3%2.30
Tracy Walker III S69.6232/100.0%00.0%10.00
Charles Harris ED69.1322/100.0%26.3%-0.50
Cam Sutton LCB67.0571/1133.3%11.8%1.01
Jerry Jacobs RCB65.9573/0240.0%35.3%1.73
Alim McNeil DI65.4462/3444.4%12.2%3.00
Alex Anzalone LB60.3535/10
0.0%
59.4%2.20
Will Harris CB 60.010/00---00.0---0
John Cominsky DI59.6361/2125.0%10.02.00
Romeo Okwara ED59.0133/000.0%323.1%2.70
Isaiah Buggs DI56.890/100.0%00.0%---0
Ifeatu Melifonwu S54.7110/00---00.0%---0
Levi Onwuzurike DI54.7150/00---00.0%---0
Aidan Hutchinson ED53.1506/1112.5%36.0%3.30
Malcolm Rodriguez LB48.660/1150.0%00.0%---0
James Houston LB45.680/00---00.0%---1
Benito Jones DI31.4390/2133.3%00.0%---0
 
Detroit's overall Run Grade as a team is 67.1, which ranks 13th. Their Team Tackling Grade is 44.6, which ranks 26th.

In terms of raw Team Defense counting stats:

In 2022, the Lions were 29th in rushing yards allowed (146.5 /g), 30th in YPC (5.2), and 30th in Rushing TDs allowed (22.)

Through 3 games this year, they are 5th in yards (72.0), 5th in YPC (3.2) , and 10th in TDs allowed (2.)
 
Thinking about GB I’m speculating that the Packers come out the more emotional team. Playing at home in a big revenge game against a divisional opponent in a Thursday night contest would be reasons that this may happen.

In last year’s game at GB the Lions came out coolly confident and determined and are going to need the same thing in this game.

I’m not good at predictions but good chance Lions will need to weather an early storm from the GB defense which is a good one.

Lions defense hopefully can respond and can get Love to turn it over early and take away their momentum.
 
Thinking about GB I’m speculating that the Packers come out the more emotional team. Playing at home in a big revenge game against a divisional opponent in a Thursday night contest would be reasons that this may happen.

In last year’s game at GB the Lions came out coolly confident and determined and are going to need the same thing in this game.

I’m not good at predictions but good chance Lions will need to weather an early storm from the GB defense which is a good one.

Lions defense hopefully can respond and can get Love to turn it over early and take away their momentum.

Both teams banged up. Sounds like Aaron Jones will be back & Christian Watson will make his season debut, but CB Jaire Alexander might be out.

Rashan Gary, coming off a 3 sack game, missed Week 18 last year.

Monty should be back. Decker wants to play but they might not clear him. Doesn’t sound like Emmanuel Moseley is going to be ready so that mini blunder is complete (should have out him on IR, cost a promising rookie his spot.)

Packers have a good squad, how we have a good game.
 
The Packers offense has already gained 154 yards on pass interference penalties.

The next closest team is Dallas... with 73.

Next closest is the Jaguars with 46.

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Looking over Jerry Jacobs grades, I can see why they're thinking about throwing Emmanuel out there on one leg. Given up 15 receptions and opposing QBs have a 120.1 passer rating against him 21 attempts. Leads the Lions in penalties (3) and missed tackles (6.)

He has played 100% of the defensive snaps at RCB. His coverage grade of 44.4 is ranked 141st out of 154 qualifying Cornerbacks.
 
Aidan Hutchinson named NFC Defensive Player of the Week

:oldunsure:

Was he even the Lions DPotW? To my eyes Brian Branch was more impactful. Anyway good for him.

Both Branch and Sam LaPorta were nominated for Rookie of the Week but obviously that's going to Achane
 
I haven't listened yet but a buddy was telling me a Lions pod was talking about how the Lions used Campbell at edge a bit this week...which I seem to remember someone saying when we drafted him ;)
 
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