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2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (4 Viewers)
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Just now?
Biggest window, the front window. And guess what, every ****ing door we go into, we kicking that **** in from now on.
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Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
The Gmen racked up quite a few the weeks previously, even more impressive!
massraider
Footballguy
It's crazy.
ZADO
Footballguy
I was just going to say that, the D looked pretty good as of late , but the Raiders O made them look like they did week 1
I’m sorry fellas I was celebrating a little too much last night. I did go overboard on the tanking thing. I didn’t mean to troll anyone, that’s not what I was trying to do. I will say, that regime was so bad from coaching to free agent signings that at one point someone has to ask (like Davante did) what the heck is going on here? In my opinion, there was way too much long view thinking with this regime and did not focus on winning now nearly enough. That’s not tanking, but it is running a horrible football operation that was leading to involuntary tanking and I’ll just leave it at that. And I’m glad it’s over.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Sure it could. But I think it’s way more likely that they just sucked. one could say that any team that is in the midst of a rebuild with a regime change is tanking. Outwardly it might appear that way, but it’s not what they’re doing. They’re just rebuilding the team the way they want it to look. mcZ was terrible. Jimmy, while a total dreamboat, seems to have lost some of the moxie that made him a winner. And I think the game plan was seriously limiting whoever was playing qb. I have more respect for Carr now, if the stories of him changing mcDs play calls are true. @Chadstroma
is Washington tanking? Because they got rid of two really good DL starters? I took the patriots yestreday because I thought the washington locker room might be down and not care anymore. But they’re all professionals and they came out fighting
Hankmoody
Footballguy
So glad they didn't flex us out next week, I get so few chances to watch full games. Might have to renew NFLPass now. I think NYJ will be a good barometer for us. Great D and an O we should be able to chose the life out of like we did here. NYJ QB is no better than that donkey the Giants just put out so we'll see how their OL holds up.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
One of the posters explained tanking and rebuilding. You don’t tank by telling the players to drop passes, miss tackles, run slower or generally don’t play hard. Most pro athletes are way too competitive to give anything less than 100% the entire game. You tank by trading away good players for future draft picks so you can build a young team that comes together in A few years. The Raiders were trying to rebuild the team while still competing now and missed greatly on the free agents like Jones and Jimmy G, and wasted early draft picks on Adams. You must have a plan and stay the course. McD and Ziegler had a failed plan at best.Sure it could. But I think it’s way more likely that they just sucked. one could say that any team that is in the midst of a rebuild with a regime change is tanking. Outwardly it might appear that way, but it’s not what they’re doing. They’re just rebuilding the team the way they want it to look. mcZ was terrible. Jimmy, while a total dreamboat, seems to have lost some of the moxie that made him a winner. And I think the game plan was seriously limiting whoever was playing qb. I have more respect for Carr now, if the stories of him changing mcDs play calls are true. @Chadstroma
is Washington tanking? Because they got rid of two really good DL starters? I took the patriots yestreday because I thought the washington locker room might be down and not care anymore. But they’re all professionals and they came out fighting
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Wow... it takes a verifiable epically bad HC for @DA RAIDERS to say something nice about Carr.Sure it could. But I think it’s way more likely that they just sucked. one could say that any team that is in the midst of a rebuild with a regime change is tanking. Outwardly it might appear that way, but it’s not what they’re doing. They’re just rebuilding the team the way they want it to look. mcZ was terrible. Jimmy, while a total dreamboat, seems to have lost some of the moxie that made him a winner. And I think the game plan was seriously limiting whoever was playing qb. I have more respect for Carr now, if the stories of him changing mcDs play calls are true. @Chadstroma
is Washington tanking? Because they got rid of two really good DL starters? I took the patriots yestreday because I thought the washington locker room might be down and not care anymore. But they’re all professionals and they came out fighting
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Exactly. There is not one single players that says to themselves.... "Self, I am not going to play well so the team gets a high draft pick."
Their own jobs are on the line. They either prove they should be in the NFL or they end up not being in the NFL.
Now, maybe McD was stupid enough to think "If I suck soooooo bad, we will have a good draft pick and then I can build our team" znd went along with this great scheme of his wiithout communicating it and having Davis on board. But the more simple, more plausible and frankly right answer is that McD was just that bad.
For any of you that were advocating to hire McD, you need to go stand in the corner and think about what you did. Oh and you lost your privileges of giving input on who we should hire next.
massraider
Footballguy
If Pierce shows out, give him the job. Find with me.
I was against firing anyone in year two, but it's pretty clear that he lost the team, and the front office didn't earn any trust.
Need to keep a group in place. Every time you start over, you lose good players. Ravens ran all over the place all season long. Their starting LG? John Simpson. There's a bunch of former Raiders playing well, starting in the league, but they got cut by the new coach. Going back before Gruden
I was against firing anyone in year two, but it's pretty clear that he lost the team, and the front office didn't earn any trust.
Need to keep a group in place. Every time you start over, you lose good players. Ravens ran all over the place all season long. Their starting LG? John Simpson. There's a bunch of former Raiders playing well, starting in the league, but they got cut by the new coach. Going back before Gruden
massraider
Footballguy
I want a video supercut of all the sacks that I can just watch on a loop
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am also not a fan of churning coaches... you need a foundation of building a program and you really can't do that in one year. I also don't generally call for someone to get fired. It takes A LOT for me to do that as I just don't like how it feels to advocate for that. I did not advocate for McD to get fired. That being said, after this game there is no question that it was the 100% right call to make.
Football more than any other sport I can think of, relies on players fitting the system or the system fitting the players. Stability is important to build a consistently winning team. We need some stability. We need to build a program. I am hopeful Pierce continues to do a great job and that Davis learns his lesson from moving on from someone who showed you for someone you are hopeful for.
One thing that I think should be pointed out that I don't think anyone has yet is that Davis should get credit. It cost him $85 million to make these moves. Schefter reported "Davis will not let money how he operates the franchise."
Chadstroma
Footballguy
What would you guys give up for Josh Jacobs in a 14 team dynasty PPR IDP league? I was sent an offer for my 1st and 2nd draft picks next year which I declined. I am currently in first place with the second best record but the team isn't dominant but at this point it is a good bet it will be a lower pick in the order.
My current RB's are Mostert, Stevenson, Ford, Latavius Murray and Jaylen Warren with Chubb and Dobbins in IR and Israel Abanikanda and Tank Bigsby on my taxi squad.
I was thinking my 1st and 3rd as a counter as I am sure he will accept. I doubt he will accept a 1 and a 4.
My current RB's are Mostert, Stevenson, Ford, Latavius Murray and Jaylen Warren with Chubb and Dobbins in IR and Israel Abanikanda and Tank Bigsby on my taxi squad.
I was thinking my 1st and 3rd as a counter as I am sure he will accept. I doubt he will accept a 1 and a 4.
The bold part of your statement is all I was trying to get at. He was obviously holding the offense back for some reason. If Hardagree and AOC can run McDoofus’ offense better he he could, something was up. I would never say the players want to lose or “tank” but it sure seemed like towards the end there, McD went off the rails.
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
after the chargers game and o'connell's first start. I got the feeling mcdonkey was pressured to start the rookie and I remember some beat writers backing that up.
it almost seemed like mcD set the rookie up for failure purposely. no help on mack and at the after game presser he lied about it.
after I thought mcD either sabotaged his own rookie qb and team for that game, or he was so bad it was the same as if he did. I don't know which is preferable over the other, both are unforgivable.
maybe there was some plan to tank by the the mcZ regime and OC lombardi was in on it. could be why he was fired along with them. the coaching was so bad we have to question whether it was being done purposely or not.
I could see the players were still playing hard, but I think now that it was due to the great veteran leadership holding things together despite the bad coaching.
it almost seemed like mcD set the rookie up for failure purposely. no help on mack and at the after game presser he lied about it.
after I thought mcD either sabotaged his own rookie qb and team for that game, or he was so bad it was the same as if he did. I don't know which is preferable over the other, both are unforgivable.
maybe there was some plan to tank by the the mcZ regime and OC lombardi was in on it. could be why he was fired along with them. the coaching was so bad we have to question whether it was being done purposely or not.
I could see the players were still playing hard, but I think now that it was due to the great veteran leadership holding things together despite the bad coaching.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
The fact that it's even debatable as to whether it was sabotage or just incompetence speaks volumes.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
Eric Studesville (1-3-0)
14 Sun December 12 4:15PM ET boxscore L 3-10 @ Arizona Cardinals 13 43
15 Sun December 19 4:15PM ET boxscore L 3-11 @ Oakland Raiders 23 39
16 Sun December 26 4:06PM ET boxscore W 4-11 Houston Texans 24 23
17 Sun January 2 4:15PM ET boxscore L 4-12 San Diego Chargers 28 33
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Not exactly.
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
vic tafur saying coach AP allowed practice squad players to watch and cheer from the sideline.
every player who comes to the team will love their coach
every player who comes to the team will love their coach
ZADO
Footballguy
Found this , its not about how the team did after , but the parallels are amazing -Eric Studesville (1-3-0)
14 Sun December 12 4:15PM ET boxscore L 3-10 @ Arizona Cardinals 13 43
15 Sun December 19 4:15PM ET boxscore L 3-11 @ Oakland Raiders 23 39
16 Sun December 26 4:06PM ET boxscore W 4-11 Houston Texans 24 23
17 Sun January 2 4:15PM ET boxscore L 4-12 San Diego Chargers 28 33
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Check out the 2010 Denver Broncos Roster, Stats, Schedule, Team Draftees, Injury Reports and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com.
Not exactly.
When the news came in about McDaniels being fired, I couldn't help but have a little bit of deja vu. It wasn't exactly 13 years to the date, but it was close. McDaniels was fired by the Denver Broncos on December 6, 2010 and he was disgraced in the process. Among a great number of reasons, the Broncos primarily fired McDaniels for the fact that he was caught cheating when the Broncos played a game in London against the San Francisco 49ers on October 30, 2010 (and still lost).
Once the news came out about the Broncos filming the 49ers' pre-game run-through, McDaniels was given the axe and Broncos Country has never forgiven him for the damage he did to the team. Not only did McDaniels get caught cheating, but he took the Broncos from being on the cusp of playoff contention to being arguably the worst team in the entire NFL. He gutted the roster, bringing in as many of his former Patriots pals as possible. There were rumors that McDaniels desperately wanted Matt Cassel to be his QB in Denver, but that never materialized, so he settled for trading away Jay Cutler and bringing in Kyle Orton.
McDaniels made a habit of alienating players, running his program in Denver like a high school team, and showing absolutely no leadership skills whatsoever. There was a big to-do made about McDaniels changing his ways when he was hired by the Raiders, and how he had learned so much from his time (failures) in Denver.
History repeats itself as disgraced former Broncos HC is fired again
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ok this is the type of stuff my dad says (70) but do you really think this? We lost by a touchdown on the road to them, it wasn't some blow out loss where the team was laughed out of the stadium.
efactor
Footballguy
Which made Davis hiring him in the first place all the more perplexing. Not like he didn't have this information available to him. Some guys are good coordinators but not head coach material.Found this , its not about how the team did after , but the parallels are amazing -Eric Studesville (1-3-0)
14 Sun December 12 4:15PM ET boxscore L 3-10 @ Arizona Cardinals 13 43
15 Sun December 19 4:15PM ET boxscore L 3-11 @ Oakland Raiders 23 39
16 Sun December 26 4:06PM ET boxscore W 4-11 Houston Texans 24 23
17 Sun January 2 4:15PM ET boxscore L 4-12 San Diego Chargers 28 33
2010 Denver Broncos Rosters, Stats, Schedule, Team Draftees, Injury Reports | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Check out the 2010 Denver Broncos Roster, Stats, Schedule, Team Draftees, Injury Reports and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com.
Not exactly.
When the news came in about McDaniels being fired, I couldn't help but have a little bit of deja vu. It wasn't exactly 13 years to the date, but it was close. McDaniels was fired by the Denver Broncos on December 6, 2010 and he was disgraced in the process. Among a great number of reasons, the Broncos primarily fired McDaniels for the fact that he was caught cheating when the Broncos played a game in London against the San Francisco 49ers on October 30, 2010 (and still lost).
Once the news came out about the Broncos filming the 49ers' pre-game run-through, McDaniels was given the axe and Broncos Country has never forgiven him for the damage he did to the team. Not only did McDaniels get caught cheating, but he took the Broncos from being on the cusp of playoff contention to being arguably the worst team in the entire NFL. He gutted the roster, bringing in as many of his former Patriots pals as possible. There were rumors that McDaniels desperately wanted Matt Cassel to be his QB in Denver, but that never materialized, so he settled for trading away Jay Cutler and bringing in Kyle Orton.
McDaniels made a habit of alienating players, running his program in Denver like a high school team, and showing absolutely no leadership skills whatsoever. There was a big to-do made about McDaniels changing his ways when he was hired by the Raiders, and how he had learned so much from his time (failures) in Denver.
History repeats itself as disgraced former Broncos HC is fired again
Josh McDaniels has been fired by the Las Vegas Raiders, and history has officially repeated itself. A look at what went wrong this time around for McDaniels.predominantlyorange.com
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think you missed this part "But the more simple, more plausible and frankly right answer is that McD was just that bad."
Chadstroma
Footballguy
His snap count was still relatively low. I looked it up and it was 21% I think.
Tucker was his second highest, in the mid 40's.
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
it was bad enough that it's difficult to say for certain either way. how would a offensively minded head coach and his OC not do the simplest thing to help their young qb by sending help to block mack? there was no attempt at all to slow mack down. then directly after the game he puts the blame on the rookie qb and lies when questioned about the protection against mack.
we know the players wanted aoc in at qb. we know mcD had aoc as the 3rd qb on the depth chart and gave hoyer a start over him. the only person in the organization that could have overruled mcD to get aoc the start against the chargers was mark davis and we know the players were talking to him about their grievances. if the players went to mark and he told mcD to start the rookie over hoyer against the chargers. mcD could very well be the type of petty person that would want to see the move be a failure since it wasn't his own decision. probably went to mark after with a "see I was right, trust the process". we know mcD is petty because the players have talked about walking on eggshells and how mcD responded to AP talking about the giants beating the patriots.
we'll never be able to know one way or the other unless mcD or zeigler admit to it, but the players seem to have won games despite the bad coaching.
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ZADO
Footballguy
im sure he`ll get more , and they were quality catches that lead to a TD
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
That’s exactly what I was sayingOne of the posters explained tanking and rebuilding. You don’t tank by telling the players to drop passes, miss tackles, run slower or generally don’t play hard. Most pro athletes are way too competitive to give anything less than 100% the entire game. You tank by trading away good players for future draft picks so you can build a young team that comes together in A few years. The Raiders were trying to rebuild the team while still competing now and missed greatly on the free agents like Jones and Jimmy G, and wasted early draft picks on Adams. You must have a plan and stay the course. McD and Ziegler had a failed plan at best.Sure it could. But I think it’s way more likely that they just sucked. one could say that any team that is in the midst of a rebuild with a regime change is tanking. Outwardly it might appear that way, but it’s not what they’re doing. They’re just rebuilding the team the way they want it to look. mcZ was terrible. Jimmy, while a total dreamboat, seems to have lost some of the moxie that made him a winner. And I think the game plan was seriously limiting whoever was playing qb. I have more respect for Carr now, if the stories of him changing mcDs play calls are true. @Chadstroma
is Washington tanking? Because they got rid of two really good DL starters? I took the patriots yestreday because I thought the washington locker room might be down and not care anymore. But they’re all professionals and they came out fighting
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
They are convinced the team is collectively tanking.I'm shocked at some of you saying we should not have signed Adams, we gave up the 22nd and 53rd spots in the 22 draft and with the past GM there is no way they improve this team with those 2 picks. Look what we did the year before with Alex Leatherwood at No. 17
belljr
Footballguy
Isn't that normal for teams to do? Do other teams not allow this?
I assumed that home games this was normal? No?
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
coach even drives a 64 impala
the most raider coach ever
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Yea, like they can't dress or anything but be on the sidelines. Why wouldn't you want them there?
ZADO
Footballguy
I see celebrities' and players families on the sidelines, i imagine anyone affiliated with the team is allowed as well , i do know that practice players do not travel with the team on road games
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
vic says the last few coaches had practice squad players watching from up in the box. so it is a change up for the better
belljr
Footballguy
Interesting. I wonder what standard. I honestly have no idea. I just assumed they were the extra people standing on the sidelines
Hankmoody
Footballguy
He's only 25 I would have no fear of giving a 1 and 2 if my team was solid. If you pick 8 and you tried trading your 2nd to move up to 5 you'd draft what - a QB? The 3rd rookie RB?
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
jets look tougher than the giants, but not good enough on offense
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
just watched a podcast video with hondo where he said it was coach AP that made the change at OC. AP didn't want lombardi and went to hardegree to see if they matched up with what he wanted on offense. not sure exactly why AP made that decision, but it is interesting he was the one that fired lombardi
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Jets D is incredible but their offense is just awful. If they had any O at all they would be a force.
ZADO
Footballguy
I see a low scoring defensive battle with the better offense winning in the end
rockaction
Footballguy
Your counter sounds almost exactly right. A late first and third for Jacobs is the going rate in a typical 12-team league. I'm not sure what the fourteen teams and the IDP bring to the mix; I only know that later picks are valuable in IDP depending on the depth of your IDP league.
You could really use an RB right now, it seems.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Tell you what, IF AOC can become the Raiders' Brock Purdy, they would be in very good shape roster/cap/draft-wise this offseason. They currently have $53 MM in cap space heading into 2024. And here are several names that could be cut to free up more:
Grop: $13 MM
Renfrow: $12 MM
Tillery: $4 MM
Facyson: $3 MM
Total freed: $32 MM
This would include keeping Devante for 2024. They would need to allocate some of the $53 + 32 = $85 MM in cap to resign or replace Jacobs and Andre James, who are both on expiring contracts, but the rest could be well spent to refortify the OL and DEF with some good drafting and FA signings.
Grop: $13 MM
Renfrow: $12 MM
Tillery: $4 MM
Facyson: $3 MM
Total freed: $32 MM
This would include keeping Devante for 2024. They would need to allocate some of the $53 + 32 = $85 MM in cap to resign or replace Jacobs and Andre James, who are both on expiring contracts, but the rest could be well spent to refortify the OL and DEF with some good drafting and FA signings.
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