2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (1 Viewer)

[ZADO]

Maybe there will be good pass rushing DT in the next draft. We haven't seen a good one in college in like...a few months

I loved that Stallone movie ''Get Carter'', i wish McDaniel liked it as much

 

[Bruno2]

Maybe there will be good pass rushing DT in the next draft. We haven't seen a good one in college in like...a few months

I loved that Stallone movie ''Get Carter'', i wish McDaniel liked it as much

His name is “Bear” Alexander and he’s a Georgia transfer playing for USC.

 

[Bossman]

Mark Davis loses it after Raiders settle for field goal: ‘What an a–hole’ By Joseph Staszewski


Did anyone see this ? Kinda wild , and perhaps telling

"The 26-year-old Hopkins, who has said her relationship with the 68-year-old Davis was nothing more than platonic, seemed mostly unfazed by his outburst — lightly shaking her head afterward."

Eh, not too wild. The future owner of the Raiders was clearly unfazed.

effin media. she's a musician named Orianthi and she's 38

... and it's NOT strictly platonic

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I do not like how the team is using Tyree. They often have him in a 2-point stance

I can't recall where I heard it but one of the beat writers recently claimed this was by design to help him with his unbelievably slow get off at the snap. Untruckingbelievable, really. Either this guy's foot is still no where near right and he should be rehabbing rather than playing, or he's just plain slow. Either way, I am ready to call the pick a gigantic mistake. Why draft a hurt player there when so many studs were on the board, even beyond the obvious Carter pick?

Speaking of the latter, basically, it turns out that when Ruggs took the drunken wheel he not only cost the Raiders Henry Ruggs, but also Jalen Carter. This team is cursed. There is no other explanation.

The other more realistic explanation is the Raiders are simply a horribly run organization. The amount of terrible decisions every year in FA and the draft are inexcusable. The poor decisions are obvious to everyone outside of the organization too. It’s not like most of the personnel decisions are logical choices that miss.

The beat writer is absurdly incorrect. Standing flat-footed in a two-point stance reading and reacting slows every player down. Getting him in a 3-point stance and crashing down when the ball is snapped will speed a player up. In his brief appearances in preseason Tyree displayed the ability to push the pocket.

I do not believe in curses, rather it indicates incompetence starting with junior. That said, this is a coaching philosophy issue. Graham is stubbornly clinging to an approach that is reducing Tyree's impact, and that is poor coaching. Tyree was born to rush the passer / push the pocket. Let him loose.

 

[Chadstroma]

Just as much as the NFL hating the Raiders is obvious it has now become the NFL's mission to protect the Chefs from losing.

Y'know one way Garoppolo could help the club is to steal Taylor Swift from Kelce.

Jimmy is dreamy like that.

Then it is possible for him to actually be of value to the Raiders. Awesome!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I do not like how the team is using Tyree. They often have him in a 2-point stance

I can't recall where I heard it but one of the beat writers recently claimed this was by design to help him with his unbelievably slow get off at the snap. Untruckingbelievable, really. Either this guy's foot is still no where near right and he should be rehabbing rather than playing, or he's just plain slow. Either way, I am ready to call the pick a gigantic mistake. Why draft a hurt player there when so many studs were on the board, even beyond the obvious Carter pick?

Speaking of the latter, basically, it turns out that when Ruggs took the drunken wheel he not only cost the Raiders Henry Ruggs, but also Jalen Carter. This team is cursed. There is no other explanation.

The other more realistic explanation is the Raiders are simply a horribly run organization. The amount of terrible decisions every year in FA and the draft are inexcusable. The poor decisions are obvious to everyone outside of the organization too. It’s not like most of the personnel decisions are logical choices that miss.

The beat writer is absurdly incorrect. Standing flat-footed in a two-point stance reading and reacting slows every player down. Getting him in a 3-point stance and crashing down when the ball is snapped will speed a player up. In his brief appearances in preseason Tyree displayed the ability to push the pocket.

I do not believe in curses, rather it indicates incompetence starting with junior. That said, this is a coaching philosophy issue. Graham is stubbornly clinging to an approach that is reducing Tyree's impact, and that is poor coaching. Tyree was born to rush the passer / push the pocket. Let him loose.

he looks slow as hell. But he’s also thinking way too much. I can see him thinking out there. It’s painful. Put a lb on his side to help with contain and Let him just destroy the pocket and see what happens

 

[Chaka]

I do not like how the team is using Tyree. They often have him in a 2-point stance

I can't recall where I heard it but one of the beat writers recently claimed this was by design to help him with his unbelievably slow get off at the snap. Untruckingbelievable, really. Either this guy's foot is still no where near right and he should be rehabbing rather than playing, or he's just plain slow. Either way, I am ready to call the pick a gigantic mistake. Why draft a hurt player there when so many studs were on the board, even beyond the obvious Carter pick?

Speaking of the latter, basically, it turns out that when Ruggs took the drunken wheel he not only cost the Raiders Henry Ruggs, but also Jalen Carter. This team is cursed. There is no other explanation.

The other more realistic explanation is the Raiders are simply a horribly run organization. The amount of terrible decisions every year in FA and the draft are inexcusable. The poor decisions are obvious to everyone outside of the organization too. It’s not like most of the personnel decisions are logical choices that miss.

The beat writer is absurdly incorrect. Standing flat-footed in a two-point stance reading and reacting slows every player down. Getting him in a 3-point stance and crashing down when the ball is snapped will speed a player up. In his brief appearances in preseason Tyree displayed the ability to push the pocket.

I do not believe in curses, rather it indicates incompetence starting with junior. That said, this is a coaching philosophy issue. Graham is stubbornly clinging to an approach that is reducing Tyree's impact, and that is poor coaching. Tyree was born to rush the passer / push the pocket. Let him loose.

he looks slow as hell. But he’s also thinking way too much. I can see him thinking out there. It’s painful. Put a lb on his side to help with contain and Let him just destroy the pocket and see what happens

I do believe that his lack of off season prep and Graham's rigid scheme, which requires a lot of reading before reacting, is hindering him.

But...man he looks sloooooooooooooooooooooooowww.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

so this is a game that we are favored in and should be comfortably in the lead with 2 minutes left so I predict Pats 21-Raidahs 17 with McDoofus kicking a fg on 4th and 3 from the 25 to cut it to 1 and set up an onside kick.

These are always the games that we always struggle with and instead of being 3-3 end up finding ourselves 2-4.

 

[Chadstroma]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

 

[Bruno2]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

Maxx and that scrappy defense has saved the Raiders from an 0-5 start and probably McDaniels’ job.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

Maxx and that scrappy defense has saved the Raiders from an 0-5 start and probably McDaniels’ job.

they're the only team in history to score less than 20 points in their first five games and NOT be 0-5. let alone win 2 games. the D is doing fairly well at this point. which is a welcome surprise!

 

[Chaka]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

Maxx and that scrappy defense has saved the Raiders from an 0-5 start and probably McDaniels’ job.

they're the only team in history to score less than 20 points in their first five games and NOT be 0-5. let alone win 2 games. the D is doing fairly well at this point. which is a welcome surprise!

Be careful, man. You almost sound optimistic and that mess don't fly around here!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

Maxx and that scrappy defense has saved the Raiders from an 0-5 start and probably McDaniels’ job.

they're the only team in history to score less than 20 points in their first five games and NOT be 0-5. let alone win 2 games. the D is doing fairly well at this point. which is a welcome surprise!

Be careful, man. You almost sound optimistic and that mess don't fly around here!

Just facts. Nothing else

 

[DocHolliday]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

 

[Bruno2]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

 

[Chaka]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

 

[LawFitz]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

I just want aoc to be the backup and active on gameday for the eventual jimmy G injury.

seeing hall of fame hoyer with the starters is gonna make my eyes irritated

 

[Chaka]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

A lot of Raider fans around here seemingly. LFG!

 

[LawFitz]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

 

[Chaka]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

If you want to take a serious angle; what I see throughout this message board is the compulsive need to declare things with absolute certitude and uncompromising immediacy. It bugs the #### out of me.

If you suggest that a person, who literally has been unable to do anything other than film study before receiving limited reps after TC has concluded, may need time to develop. The response is "He has had five week! Why isn't he good?" and it drives me up the ####### wall.

I find it limited, narrow, reductive and lacking any semblance, or allowance of nuance and makes me shake with anger and frustration for the future of our society.

My response is generally optimism and humor. After all, it's just ####### football.

May I please go back to being cheeky and adorable now?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

If you want to take a serious angle; what I see throughout this message board is the compulsive need to declare things with absolute certitude and uncompromising immediacy. It bugs the #### out of me.

If you suggest that a person, who literally has been unable to do anything other than film study before receiving limited reps after TC has concluded, may need time to develop. The response is "He has had five week! Why isn't he good?" and it drives me up the ####### wall.

I find it limited, narrow, reductive and lacking any semblance, or allowance of nuance and makes me shake with anger and frustration for the future of our society.

My response is generally optimism and humor. After all, it's just ####### football.

May I please go back to being cheeky and adorable now?

no, we want angry raider fan

 

[Chadstroma]

Though there hasn't been reason not to write him off, I think there are plenty of reasons not to write Wilson off just yet.

It is also important to note that they made the selection woth absolutely no reason not to expect Jones to be playing this season.

Carter was my top guy for us in the draft. I also knew there was a slim chance of picking him because of the echo of the reason he fell on boards to begin with and the unfortunate and fresh tragedy of Ruggs.

It would have been real nice to see this defense with a guy who can consistently demand attention inside with Crosby on the line as well.

 

[Chaka]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

If you want to take a serious angle; what I see throughout this message board is the compulsive need to declare things with absolute certitude and uncompromising immediacy. It bugs the #### out of me.

If you suggest that a person, who literally has been unable to do anything other than film study before receiving limited reps after TC has concluded, may need time to develop. The response is "He has had five week! Why isn't he good?" and it drives me up the ####### wall.

I find it limited, narrow, reductive and lacking any semblance, or allowance of nuance and makes me shake with anger and frustration for the future of our society.

My response is generally optimism and humor. After all, it's just ####### football.

May I please go back to being cheeky and adorable now?

no, we want angry raider fan

####### ####!

 

[LawFitz]

"He has had five weeks! Why isn't he good showing any flashes of being even decent?"

If you are going to get riled up, let's be fair about what is riling you. No one is expecting him to be good right away, that I infer. But let's drop it if you are going to get bent out of shape over this. Like you suggest, it's not worth that.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I just want aoc to be the backup and active on gameday for the eventual jimmy G injury.

seeing hall of fame hoyer with the starters is gonna make my eyes irritated

He was in uniform last week

 

[DA RAIDERS]

A lot of Raider fans around here seemingly. LFG!

Welcome. Pretty good group in here. Well mixed doom and gloom and optimistic

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

If you want to take a serious angle; what I see throughout this message board is the compulsive need to declare things with absolute certitude and uncompromising immediacy. It bugs the #### out of me.

If you suggest that a person, who literally has been unable to do anything other than film study before receiving limited reps after TC has concluded, may need time to develop. The response is "He has had five week! Why isn't he good?" and it drives me up the ####### wall.

I find it limited, narrow, reductive and lacking any semblance, or allowance of nuance and makes me shake with anger and frustration for the future of our society.

My response is generally optimism and humor. After all, it's just ####### football.

May I please go back to being cheeky and adorable now?

You’re completely wrong

 

[Chaka]

"He has had five weeks! Why isn't he good showing any flashes of being even decent?"

If you are going to get riled up, let's be fair about what is riling you. No one is expecting him to be good right away, that I infer. But let's drop it if you are going to get bent out of shape over this. Like you suggest, it's not worth that.

There it is again. Good, great, mediocre, bad whatever word you want to use it's a snap judgment.

To my eye he has looked mostly slow off the ball but has gotten good push when he simply goes up field.

The reality is none of us have any real clue if he is progressing the way Graham wants him to. Maybe his mandate is to read and react most of the time, maybe his foot isn't 100% and his legs aren't as fast twitch as they were after an off-season in a boot, maybe he hates your fantasy team, maybe he's just terrible.

I don't pretend to know.

 

[Chaka]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

If you want to take a serious angle; what I see throughout this message board is the compulsive need to declare things with absolute certitude and uncompromising immediacy. It bugs the #### out of me.

If you suggest that a person, who literally has been unable to do anything other than film study before receiving limited reps after TC has concluded, may need time to develop. The response is "He has had five week! Why isn't he good?" and it drives me up the ####### wall.

I find it limited, narrow, reductive and lacking any semblance, or allowance of nuance and makes me shake with anger and frustration for the future of our society.

My response is generally optimism and humor. After all, it's just ####### football.

May I please go back to being cheeky and adorable now?

You’re completely wrong

I'm not cheeky and adorable?

 

[Chaka]

A lot of Raider fans around here seemingly. LFG!

'sup, yo? Welcome aboard.

Question: Jimmy Garoppolo, best looking QB ever? "Yes" or "Hell Yes!"?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

LOL, what have you seen from Wilson to make this statement? Greg Townsend is highly offended.

I see the future. I made that clear.

Although I knew you would take issue with that.

I was hoping you saw something, anything in the actual player you were calling our future Greg Townsend to lend credence. All good.

If you want to take a serious angle; what I see throughout this message board is the compulsive need to declare things with absolute certitude and uncompromising immediacy. It bugs the #### out of me.

If you suggest that a person, who literally has been unable to do anything other than film study before receiving limited reps after TC has concluded, may need time to develop. The response is "He has had five week! Why isn't he good?" and it drives me up the ####### wall.

I find it limited, narrow, reductive and lacking any semblance, or allowance of nuance and makes me shake with anger and frustration for the future of our society.

My response is generally optimism and humor. After all, it's just ####### football.

May I please go back to being cheeky and adorable now?

You’re completely wrong

I'm not cheeky and adorable?

you are that and more. i was trying to be funny

 

[DA RAIDERS]

A lot of Raider fans around here seemingly. LFG!

'sup, yo? Welcome aboard.

Question: Jimmy Garoppolo, best looking QB ever? "Yes" or "Hell Yes!"?

dreamboat is also acceptable

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

I just want aoc to be the backup and active on gameday for the eventual jimmy G injury.

seeing hall of fame hoyer with the starters is gonna make my eyes irritated

He was in uniform last week

they had him as inactive

is there emergency qb rules in play? either way hoyer should be the one inactive on gameday

 

[Sarlakticacid]

I just want aoc to be the backup and active on gameday for the eventual jimmy G injury.

seeing hall of fame hoyer with the starters is gonna make my eyes irritated

Hopefully the plan is that it changes after the bye

 

[DocHolliday]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

Choosing to draft an inferior player is never the correct decision. Why must it happen year after year?

 

[ICON211]

I just want aoc to be the backup and active on gameday for the eventual jimmy G injury.

seeing hall of fame hoyer with the starters is gonna make my eyes irritated

He was in uniform last week

they had him as inactive

is there emergency qb rules in play? either way hoyer should be the one inactive on gameday

This year three QBs dress and the #3 can come in the game if the first two get hurt. It was done to avoid what happened in the Niners-Eagles playoff game last year.

 

[Chaka]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

Choosing to draft an inferior player is never the correct decision. Why must it happen year after year?

Seven teams passed on Carter and none of them had nearly the reason to that the Raiders did.

We all wanted him and we all understand why the Raiders didn't draft him. Maybe it's time to get over it.

The Raiders made the decision to build on the lines which is something that we all agree with, or at least most of us do, and they took the guy that virtually everybody agreed was the best defensive end in the draft.

And, before we start drawing conclusions after five games about who's superior and who's inferior can we please remember that Jalen Carter ended up on the team that led the league in sacks last year and Wilson ended up on the team that finished 30th. So maybe Carter has a little bit more help surrounding him to start his career.

 

[ZADO]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

Choosing to draft an inferior player is never the correct decision. Why must it happen year after year?

Seven teams passed on Carter and none of them had nearly the reason to that the Raiders did.

We all wanted him and we all understand why the Raiders didn't draft him. Maybe it's time to get over it.

The Raiders made the decision to build on the lines which is something that we all agree with, or at least most of us do, and they took the guy that virtually everybody agreed was the best defensive end in the draft.

And, before we start drawing conclusions about who's superior and who's inferior can we please remember that Jalen Carter ended up on the team that led the league in sacks last year and Wilson ended up on the team that finished 30th. So maybe Carter has a little bit more help surrounding him to start his career.

Stop being logical and making sense ,sheesh

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

Choosing to draft an inferior player is never the correct decision. Why must it happen year after year?

Seven teams passed on Carter and none of them had nearly the reason to that the Raiders did.

We all wanted him and we all understand why the Raiders didn't draft him. Maybe it's time to get over it.

The Raiders made the decision to build on the lines which is something that we all agree with, or at least most of us do, and they took the guy that virtually everybody agreed was the best defensive end in the draft.

And, before we start drawing conclusions about who's superior and who's inferior can we please remember that Jalen Carter ended up on the team that led the league in sacks last year and Wilson ended up on the team that finished 30th. So maybe Carter has a little bit more help surrounding him to start his career.

gtfo with this logic stuff! This is the raiders thread!

 

[Chaka]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

Choosing to draft an inferior player is never the correct decision. Why must it happen year after year?

Seven teams passed on Carter and none of them had nearly the reason to that the Raiders did.

We all wanted him and we all understand why the Raiders didn't draft him. Maybe it's time to get over it.

The Raiders made the decision to build on the lines which is something that we all agree with, or at least most of us do, and they took the guy that virtually everybody agreed was the best defensive end in the draft.

And, before we start drawing conclusions about who's superior and who's inferior can we please remember that Jalen Carter ended up on the team that led the league in sacks last year and Wilson ended up on the team that finished 30th. So maybe Carter has a little bit more help surrounding him to start his career.

gtfo with this logic stuff! This is the raiders thread!

I really prefer being Costanza leaving the room on a high note.

Or even Costanza getting caught taking a bite out of a garbage donut.

But not The Moops Costanza and that's who I feel like now.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

I prefer being larry david with the curb your enthusiasm theme playing at the end of every raider game

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

The worst would be the "You want to be my latex salesman Costanza" lying on the floor with your pants around your ankles yelling "Vandalay Industries, Vandalay Industries!"

 

[joey]

A lot of Raider fans around here seemingly. LFG!

I was hoping that Raider fandom was limited to just this small group of idiots on this message board who are dumb enough to be stuck rooting for this team. It saddens me to know that there are people outside of this insane asylum that also suffer from this illness.

but, then again, misery loves company. Welcome to the funny farm.

 

[Chaka]

The worst would be the "You want to be my latex salesman Costanza" lying on the floor with your pants around your ankles yelling "Vandalay Industries, Vandalay Industries!"

I did want to be an architect when I was a young. True story .

I'm good with pretending to be one now.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

A lot of Raider fans around here seemingly. LFG!

I was hoping that Raider fandom was limited to just this small group of idiots on this message board who are dumb enough to be stuck rooting for this team. It saddens me to know that there are people outside of this insane asylum that also suffer from this illness.

but, then again, misery loves company. Welcome to the funny farm.

“What!? There are others??”

 

[ZADO]

The worst would be the "You want to be my latex salesman Costanza" lying on the floor with your pants around your ankles yelling "Vandalay Industries, Vandalay Industries!"

I did want to be an architect when I was a young. True story .

I'm good with pretending to be one now.

I`m in importer /exporter

I import potato chips and export diapers

 

[DocHolliday]

Guess who is the AFC Defensive Player of the Week?

Imagine if we had someone that brought half of what he does on the defense with him.

We had a chance earlier this year and wouldn’t need to be imagining right now. Great players fall into the lap of LV during the draft year after year but they pass on them for inferior players. It’s not a great model for any sports team.

The more I think about it, the Tyree Wilson pick was a long view, big picture move. We may not like the pick (for the record, I don’t) but they aren’t dumb. They knew he was injured, to an extent, he was going to be a project. I don’t think they expected him to play much at all for at least the first half of the season. The Chan Jones fiasco has thrust Wilson into playing a lot sooner than McD, Graham and Ziegler all expected. Wilson is also a red flashing sign to me that this regime made that pick knowing they weren’t going anywhere for at least a couple years unless things went horribly wrong. Just my opinion and thoughts on Wilson, I hope he gets it together soon because it would be nice for Maxx to get some help.

which is why our team sucks year in and year out, you don't waste a top 10 pick on a project player that needs years to develop (injury recovery included).

I wanted Carter as much as anyone, if not more, but why not take a project if you're not going to contend this season? If he's the next Greg Townsend we'll all be thrilled with that.

I would have been thrilled if they landed Anthony Richardson and he's as big a project as they come.

If he bombs he's no worse than any other highly drafted bomb.

The bar is low in Las Vegas, I think it was a huge win just to draft a guy that everyone outside the organization didn't immediately recognize as a huge reach.

I, for one, welcome our new future Greg Townsend.

Choosing to draft an inferior player is never the correct decision. Why must it happen year after year?

Seven teams passed on Carter and none of them had nearly the reason to that the Raiders did.

We all wanted him and we all understand why the Raiders didn't draft him. Maybe it's time to get over it.

The Raiders made the decision to build on the lines which is something that we all agree with, or at least most of us do, and they took the guy that virtually everybody agreed was the best defensive end in the draft.

And, before we start drawing conclusions after five games about who's superior and who's inferior can we please remember that Jalen Carter ended up on the team that led the league in sacks last year and Wilson ended up on the team that finished 30th. So maybe Carter has a little bit more help surrounding him to start his career.

Most of the other teams that passed on Carter had good reason. Carolina, Houston, and Indy drafted highly rated QBs, the most important position in the NFL. Houston chose Will Anderson over Carter which wasn’t a bad choice at the time. Anderson is doing ok and was highly rated and healthy at draft day. Cards took the best OT in the draft which is another very important position. Seattle landed a great CB and Witherspoon is already having a great season. Even though he is a CB, he has more sacks, tackles, and QB pressures in 4 games than our rookie DE will likely have all season.

Essentially, two teams passed on Carter and there is no excuse for either. We know the Raiders mistake and Atlanta made almost as big of a mistake in drafting Robinson. The well-run teams in the NFL don’t draft a RB in round one, no matter how highly rated. Period.

LV and Atlanta passed on Carter and should not be forgiven for their poor decisions. Maybe Atlanta is following the LV playbook and knowingly choosing inferior players because they are saving their good picks for later. I think that was the story being fed here which is quite comical.