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2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (2 Viewers)

LawFitz said:
Damien Williams is a better RB than every Raider not named Josh Jacobs. It's sad he will be looking for a new team in four days.
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I’m not so sure. White hasn’t done anything special. I thought McCormick had a pretty good preseason too, enough to make the roster? Doubtful, but I can see him landing on the practice squad.
Back to Williams, if they keep 5 RBs I’d be Ok with JJ, Jakob, Abdullah, Williams and Bolden.
 
Bruno2 said:
LawFitz said:
Damien Williams is a better RB than every Raider not named Josh Jacobs. It's sad he will be looking for a new team in four days.
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I’m not so sure. White hasn’t done anything special. I thought McCormick had a pretty good preseason too, enough to make the roster? Doubtful, but I can see him landing on the practice squad.
Back to Williams, if they keep 5 RBs I’d be Ok with JJ, Jakob, Abdullah, Williams and Bolden.
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Maaaan they better not keep four RB!
 
Tyree Wilson has no idea how to play defensive end. He just ran straight into the blocker on every play and never got free, they constantly stonewalled him or washed him out. He looks like a guy that has never had to learn technique and got by on physically dominating lesser dudes. He's not going to see that much in the NFL, and most of the few he can dominate are going to have plenty of tricks up their sleeves to counter. Hopefully this can be chalked up to lack of experience and this gets coached up, but man this did not look like a player I'd be excited about drafting.
 
LawFitz said:
It's $1 MM in cap savings for 2023, since it is after June 1. If they cut him today, they eliminate his $14 MM cap hit for this year, but take on $13 MM 2023 dead money, for a net cap savings of $1 MM this year.
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Yeah I glossed over the post-June 1 thing, sorry I'm getting rusty. I think that given that there's nothing to save I'd rather keep him to see if he can be a positive influence somewhere. Preferably on the field but maybe he can show Tyree Wilson some actual technique. Jones seems like a good guy and that he would be a good veteran presence/influence and get a good example of the hard work the young guys need to put it so there can be value in that as well. The money's spent, it's a sunk cost, so unless there's a compelling guy to keep over him I'm fine with him being around.

Willis looked average/slow and Butler/Rochelle have been bright spots against backups but I don't think either gets snatched up instantly if we cut them on Tuesday.
 
Hankmoody said:
Tyree Wilson has no idea how to play defensive end. He just ran straight into the blocker on every play and never got free, they constantly stonewalled him or washed him out. He looks like a guy that has never had to learn technique and got by on physically dominating lesser dudes. He's not going to see that much in the NFL, and most of the few he can dominate are going to have plenty of tricks up their sleeves to counter. Hopefully this can be chalked up to lack of experience and this gets coached up, but man this did not look like a player I'd be excited about drafting.
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Yeah, I’m not thrilled they spent the #7 overall pick on an injured developmental project. Let’s hope Wilson grows into something special as he gets more experience. Gotta trust Champ and Ziegler on this one.
 
Bruno2 said:
Hankmoody said:
Tyree Wilson has no idea how to play defensive end. He just ran straight into the blocker on every play and never got free, they constantly stonewalled him or washed him out. He looks like a guy that has never had to learn technique and got by on physically dominating lesser dudes. He's not going to see that much in the NFL, and most of the few he can dominate are going to have plenty of tricks up their sleeves to counter. Hopefully this can be chalked up to lack of experience and this gets coached up, but man this did not look like a player I'd be excited about drafting.
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Yeah, I’m not thrilled they spent the #7 overall pick on an injured developmental project. Let’s hope Wilson grows into something special as he gets more experience. Gotta trust Champ and Ziegler on this one.
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Feels like a snap judgment.

It was his first game action since Dec, 2022. I think it's fair to suggest the game plan for him was very basic while he regains trust in his foot.
 
Hankmoody said:
massraider said:
Maaaan they better not keep four RB!
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I'm good with four, I just wish we'd join the 2010's and stop with the fullback foolishness.
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I am not complaining about a FB if we have the top rusher in the league
Chaka said:
Bruno2 said:
Hankmoody said:
Tyree Wilson has no idea how to play defensive end. He just ran straight into the blocker on every play and never got free, they constantly stonewalled him or washed him out. He looks like a guy that has never had to learn technique and got by on physically dominating lesser dudes. He's not going to see that much in the NFL, and most of the few he can dominate are going to have plenty of tricks up their sleeves to counter. Hopefully this can be chalked up to lack of experience and this gets coached up, but man this did not look like a player I'd be excited about drafting.
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Yeah, I’m not thrilled they spent the #7 overall pick on an injured developmental project. Let’s hope Wilson grows into something special as he gets more experience. Gotta trust Champ and Ziegler on this one.
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Feels like a snap judgment.

It was his first game action since Dec, 2022. I think it's fair to suggest the game plan for him was very basic while he regains trust in his foot.
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Yea... one pre-season game after being limited in practice for wla week after being injured for a year is not a performance I am making any big judgments about the kids future career on.
 
11 players waived. Roster down to 80

The Raiders waived linebacker Isaac Darkangelo, cornerback Isiah Brown, defensive tackle Doug Costin, cornerback Bryce Cosby, quarterback Chase Garbers, guard Vitaliy Gurman, and running back Darwin Thompson.

The club waived receiver Chris Lacy with an injury designation.

And the Raiders placed running back Brittain Brown, tight end Jacob Hollister, and receiver Isaiah Zuber on injured reserve.
 
massraider said:
Leatherwood released by Bears.

Gruden is a consultant in New Orleans
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The Gruden/Carr relationship is the main reason why I take everything I hear in the media with a grain of salt. For a time, the narrative was Gruden wanted to move on from Carr when in reality it was the farthest thing from the truth. Ultimately it was McDaniels that wanted Carr out. Just keep Gruden away from the draft war room and the Saints will do well to make the playoffs.
 
Chaka said:
Feels like a snap judgment.
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Not a judgement, just what I saw. I'm not calling bust or anything and I'll root like hell for him to be great. But man, he looked like a high-schooler out there against guys that aren't going to be employed in 3 days. Plenty of time for him to show more, and perhaps he was just getting out there to knock off the rust and test the foot. It's a long season so plenty of time to get coached up, improve, and grow.
 
Hankmoody said:
Chaka said:
Feels like a snap judgment.
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Not a judgement, just what I saw. I'm not calling bust or anything and I'll root like hell for him to be great. But man, he looked like a high-schooler out there against guys that aren't going to be employed in 3 days. Plenty of time for him to show more, and perhaps he was just getting out there to knock off the rust and test the foot. It's a long season so plenty of time to get coached up, improve, and grow.
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Right. Only one game, but there's no plan. He's charges into the OT, which knocked over the RT one time, and he literally pushed the RT past the QB--in front of the QB. That's not easy. If he had any idea where he was, he could have stuck out his left arm and sacked the QB. But he had no idea where the QB was. Tyree might have had his eyes closed, for reals
 
May still be feeling the foot and/or out of shape, but I thought he'd look more agile compared to Grier when he allowed the latter to get around the edge and into the EZ. Hoping to see more than a bull rush come regular season.
 
Hondo C. saying some not so great stuff about Zeus White this morning. He also regularly states that he shares insight and opinion from team insiders, rather than his own take.

I think Bolden and Abdullah are safe. Not so sure about Zeus now. Won't be surprised if they try to sign both him and Demien Williams to the PS and save the 53 spot for one of the developmental DL/OL.
 
Only mentioning this in here because I was talking about something like this up thread.

Looks like the Cardinals stole in my plan and are going all in on tanking for Caleb. No question about it.

The amazing thing is I don't hear a lot of talk about it in the NFL media. It's like everyone recognizes what they are doing and giving it a big, fat meh.

Also wild is they will have their pick, the Texans pick AND the ability to move Murray for additional draft capital AND they took all of Hopkins $20+ mil cap hit this year so, more money to spend.

They are on pace to turn that ship around in a hurry.
 
Chaka said:
Only mentioning this in here because I was talking about something like this up thread.

Looks like the Cardinals stole in my plan and are going all in on tanking for Caleb. No question about it.

The amazing thing is I don't hear a lot of talk about it in the NFL media. It's like everyone recognizes what they are doing and giving it a big, fat meh.

Also wild is they will have their pick, the Texans pick AND the ability to move Murray for additional draft capital AND they took all of Hopkins $20+ mil cap hit this year so, more money to spend.

They are on pace to turn that ship around in a hurry.
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im inspired

not
 
Is stub hub the day before/day of still the way to go for the best prices? It's the Sunday night game against the Steelers so I'm guessing it will be a popular ticket.
 
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The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
 
massraider said:
ChiefD said:
massraider said:
The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
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Is he decent? Terrible? Just a guy?
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We didn't see enough. He's good enough to make the team, Raiders had five guys they like
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Interesting trade for the Chiefs. Veach is usually pretty good at these types of deals. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
Chaka said:
massraider said:
The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
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Hope this means Nesta makes the 53
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Did you see the play where he was basically double teamed and while engaged with the tackle on his right side basically just using his left arm shuked the guard backwards on his back?

I REALLY hope this move keeps him on.
 
Chadstroma said:
Chaka said:
massraider said:
The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
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Hope this means Nesta makes the 53
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Did you see the play where he was basically double teamed and while engaged with the tackle on his right side basically just using his left arm shuked the guard backwards on his back?

I REALLY hope this move keeps him on.
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Just seems like a hungry young buck. If Maxx's motor rubs off on the d-line this group could be a real surprise.

Desperately need to put bodies in Mahomes' face on the reg.

Man, I hate optimism in August.
 
massraider said:
ChiefD said:
massraider said:
The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
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Is he decent? Terrible? Just a guy?
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We didn't see enough. He's good enough to make the team, Raiders had five guys they like
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Was MIA last season. Never saw anything in either pre-season for me to get excited. Developmental project IMO.

We have has several young talents that have shown a lot more than him so he was expendable. I was actually worried we would cut one of them because they still were holding on to the draft capital invested in him (4th round). We make room on the roster for more promising players and get some value back on the investment we put in him.

I am happy with it.
 
Cole, Dorsett, D. Williams cut.

Bummer re: Williams. I think he's much better than Zeus, but he has had durability issues for years now, so maybe it was a preference for younger legs.
 
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