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2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (3 Viewers)

Cole, Dorsett, D. Williams cut.

Bummer re: Williams. I think he's much better than Zeus, but he has had durability issues for years now, so maybe it was a preference for younger legs.
Williams looked good but I am not going to cry about it. Cole and Dorsett gone... Wilkerson or Sims for that 6th spot? I think Wilkerson had a great camp but that 6'5'' size from Sims might get him the job considering most of our other WR's are NFL midgets.
 
Cole, Dorsett, D. Williams cut.

Bummer re: Williams. I think he's much better than Zeus, but he has had durability issues for years now, so maybe it was a preference for younger legs.
Wow! So Wilkerson made the cut?
Maybe... or Sims.... Zuber was on IR.
Adams, Meyer, Renfrow and Tucker were locks. Carter was a semi-lock. I thought Dorsett would have an edge being an ex-NE guy.

One thought that might be happening is they want Sims but maybe are shopping Wilkerson for a 7th to teams because of what he showed on pre-season.
 
Is stub hub the day before/day of still the way to go for the best prices? It's the Sunday night game against the Steelers so I'm guessing it will be a popular ticket.
I’m a gambler when it comes to getting tickets. Day off would be my move. The closer to game time the better
 
Is stub hub the day before/day of still the way to go for the best prices? It's the Sunday night game against the Steelers so I'm guessing it will be a popular ticket.
I’m a gambler when it comes to getting tickets. Day off would be my move. The closer to game time the better
thanks, I'll let them know we are going the shark route with day of.
 
The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
Is he decent? Terrible? Just a guy?
We didn't see enough. He's good enough to make the team, Raiders had five guys they like
Interesting trade for the Chiefs. Veach is usually pretty good at these types of deals. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
KC digging in the Raiders dumpster for talent ...thats funny
 
The #Chiefs have been monitoring the DT position across the league and now make a move for one. Per source, they’ve traded a 6th rounder round to the #Raiders for DT Neil Farrell.


Nice. He was outplayed by the Butlers, this is a good move.
Is he decent? Terrible? Just a guy?
We didn't see enough. He's good enough to make the team, Raiders had five guys they like
Interesting trade for the Chiefs. Veach is usually pretty good at these types of deals. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
KC digging in the Raiders dumpster for talent ...thats funny the Universe finally correcting itself.
FYP
 
Raiders stashed Wagner on IR for the year.

Duke Shelley is waived. David Long made the team. This was an excellent use of free agency, IMO. Two interesting guys from other teams, but we didn't simply trust that the first guy we signed would work out. I love the policy of multiple bargain FA at a spot. You aren't going to hit all your FA, why not create some competition?
 

Movement on the offensive line


The Raiders waived guard Alex Bars, who started 14 games at guard for the team last season. With this decision, we're likely to see a new starting right guard going into Week 1.

Of the available options, Greg Van Roten looks to be the frontrunner. Going into his ninth NFL season, he has 54 career starts and received an 89.4 offensive grade from Pro Football Focus this preseason. Other options include Meredith or Jermaine Eluemunor potentially swinging inside. Eluemunor, who started 17 games at right tackle last season, saw three starts at right guard for the Raiders in 2021.
 
Peters seems like a good signing, Bennett has been good since day 1, and Amari Burney looks interesting at LB. Burney was actually a fun guy to watch. Noticeable speed at LB. Didn't look fast, looked really fast
 
At 16:50 or so into this press conference, it sounds like McD is saying that Hoyer is the 2nd QB as long as JimmyG is healthy, but if JimmyG goes down for more than a game, they’d turn to AO’C (do to preparedness with no practice reps, etc)

 

Josh Jacobs comments.

Big sigh of relief, looks like he's in a good spot mentally. Pretty happy with the way it was handled on both sides.

Compared to the **** show in Indy, we are extremely lucky to be where we are. I wish they'd been able to come to a reasonable (for both sides) two-year guaranteed commitment, but this is the second best scenario. Most important is having Josh buy in.
 
Get ready for it to happen all over again next year if Jacob’s balls out again.

I'll worry about it next offseason. And if he balls out again, maybe they should consider guaranteeing him 2 years of elite RB pay from that point. He'd still only be 26 year old! Maybe then this man would get the respect he deserves from this league and its fans. He certainly still isn't getting it now.
 
Get ready for it to happen all over again next year if Jacob’s balls out again.

I'll worry about it next offseason. And if he balls out again, maybe they should consider guaranteeing him 2 years of elite RB pay from that point. He'd still only be 26 year old! Maybe then this man would get the respect he deserves from this league and its fans. He certainly still isn't getting it now.
Agreed. But the rb market is what it is.
 
Get ready for it to happen all over again next year if Jacob’s balls out again.

I'll worry about it next offseason. And if he balls out again, maybe they should consider guaranteeing him 2 years of elite RB pay from that point. He'd still only be 26 year old! Maybe then this man would get the respect he deserves from this league and its fans. He certainly still isn't getting it now.
Agreed. But the rb market is what it is.

Nope. It is what the outliers deem. Like all markets. Always. And outliers are usually crazy or geniuses or simply front-runners or some/all of the above.
 
Get ready for it to happen all over again next year if Jacob’s balls out again.

I'll worry about it next offseason. And if he balls out again, maybe they should consider guaranteeing him 2 years of elite RB pay from that point. He'd still only be 26 year old! Maybe then this man would get the respect he deserves from this league and its fans. He certainly still isn't getting it now.
Agreed. But the rb market is what it is.

Nope. It is what the outliers deem. Like all markets. Always. And outliers are usually crazy or geniuses or simply front-runners or some/all of the above.
maybe. If jj goes off again, they will franchise tag him. It’s the smart thing to do. Then jj either pulls the same thing again, or he plays at a slight discount. :shrug: it’s just business.
 
Get ready for it to happen all over again next year if Jacob’s balls out again.

I'll worry about it next offseason. And if he balls out again, maybe they should consider guaranteeing him 2 years of elite RB pay from that point. He'd still only be 26 year old! Maybe then this man would get the respect he deserves from this league and its fans. He certainly still isn't getting it now.
Agreed. But the rb market is what it is.

Nope. It is what the outliers deem. Like all markets. Always. And outliers are usually crazy or geniuses or simply front-runners or some/all of the above.
maybe. If jj goes off again, they will franchise tag him. It’s the smart thing to do. Then jj either pulls the same thing again, or he plays at a slight discount. :shrug: it’s just business.

Or he gets really annoyed and pulls and Jonathan Taylor. It's just business.
 
Snark aside. I despise the 'it's just business' trope in all aspects of life, and especially when you are talking a heart-and-soul member of a sports team. For all the times I've referred to Al's legacy as Mork, he seems to get this concept way better than most, and for that I am thankful.
 
I don’t like it either. But logic usually wins out. For every ridiculous Kobe contract there are 100s of guys let go for financial reasons. Should they have exercised his 5th year option? Definitely. They gambled and lost. Should they have given him a two year deal on the 12 per range? Probably. But they can and probably will just franchise him again next year, rather than give him a two year deal in the 14/15m range.
 
But they can and probably will just franchise him again next year

This option doesn't have the same effect as actually keeping the man happy and feeling appreciated. This isn't a video game. Look no further than Indy to see how playing crazy hard ball with one of your best players can go seriously sideways. I am talking soldier and you are talking hostage, as if they are the same.
 
And FTR, I am not talking 3-4 years guaranteed. But 2 (or even 3) this offseason would've been well worthy of the risk, at least in terms of age. Jacobs is 25, not 30. The anti-RB pendulum has swung way too far.
 
I think Jacobs wouldn't mind a two year payout at over $13 mil/year, which is where he would land if they franchise him again. That's above market ATM.
 

Josh Jacobs comments.

Big sigh of relief, looks like he's in a good spot mentally. Pretty happy with the way it was handled on both sides.
Jacobs said he continued to follow the same stringent workout plan that he found to be successful ahead of his 2022 campaign. He also keeps a personal chef to help with his nutrition. While Wednesday was his first practice with the team this season, he feels that with his prep, there's no rust and he's ready to go.

"Physically, I haven't missed a step. I definitely can say that" said Jacobs. "The biggest thing for me, really, was coming back mentally. With the playbook and the new plays, I didn't want to be behind. But when I came in today, I didn't have no [sic] errors. I came in today and was like, 'Oh yeah, I remember this. I remember this.' So now it's about stacking days."

With his life long # 8 he wanted as well , i see good things this season, even tho history says otherwise (saying guys who have career years dont ball out the following year)
 
i see good things this season, even tho history says otherwise (saying guys who have career years dont ball out the following year)
Actually lots of guys have followed up 390 touch seasons with more big seasons. I posted a list somewhere, maybe the Jacobs thread.

He may not have a "career" year but he could easily still have a big year.
 
Snark aside. I despise the 'it's just business' trope in all aspects of life, and especially when you are talking a heart-and-soul member of a sports team. For all the times I've referred to Al's legacy as Mork, he seems to get this concept way better than most, and for that I am thankful.
Can’t recall who brought it up but their was a recent interview with with Davis which sounded like he pushed to get JJ signed
 
But they can and probably will just franchise him again next year

This option doesn't have the same effect as actually keeping the man happy and feeling appreciated. This isn't a video game. Look no further than Indy to see how playing crazy hard ball with one of your best players can go seriously sideways. I am talking soldier and you are talking hostage, as if they are the same.
You’re fired up about this. I agree with you. I just think the team will franchise him again. They have the option to do so. And if he goes for 1000/8, 40/300. (averages outside the monster year)They will have discussions if it’s worth it to keep him at all.
AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU.
 
You’re fired up about this.

I am. RBs in general are getting shafted, but especially elite ones like Jacobs and Saquan. Next CBA should outlaw the 5th yr option and franchise tag for RBs. Those mechanisms have been weaponized against them in particular. It's not good for the game in the long run if elite youth players stop playing RB, and they will if things don't change.
 
I think the "it's just business" is not really about business... for a football team it is about value. The value is based on the importance to winning and the scarcity of finding good players at that position. QB is the most important position and the hardest to find- thus the highest paid. Your edge players (Left Tackle and edge rushers) . RB's are deemed the most easily replaceable, shortest shelf life and not as important as the other positions- they are going to be shorted. You can't pay everyone top dollar... so if you pay a QB, a LT, a DE and a WR..... there is not a lot of money left to fill out the roster and pay a RB.

NE went through a whole dynasty with basically hobbling together 4 or 5 (or more) JAGs that could do one thing really well and then just plugged them in as the gameplan dictated.
 
One of the things Jacobs has going in his favor is his limited number of carries in college. NFL execs are taking that into account not. Johnathan Taylor for example had like 900 carries in college and his hype was his durability and how he was never injured. Well, look at him now, the injuries finally caught up to him. Jacobs gets nicked up every now and then, but his low miles has to be a huge positive for him going forward as he tries to get his next deal.
 
You’re fired up about this.

I am. RBs in general are getting shafted, but especially elite ones like Jacobs and Saquan. Next CBA should outlaw the 5th yr option and franchise tag for RBs. Those mechanisms have been weaponized against them in particular. It's not good for the game in the long run if elite youth players stop playing RB, and they will if things don't change.
Or make the tag a set number, something like $15M+ or so for RBs. Not sure what the numbers should be, maybe higher since the next CBA does not come up for a while. They would be more likely to get a long term deal and be happier to play on the tag if they don't reach a long term deal. Also have the RBs get paid more than their draft slot calls for.
 
I think the "it's just business" is not really about business... for a football team it is about value. The value is based on the importance to winning and the scarcity of finding good players at that position. QB is the most important position and the hardest to find- thus the highest paid. Your edge players (Left Tackle and edge rushers) . RB's are deemed the most easily replaceable, shortest shelf life and not as important as the other positions- they are going to be shorted. You can't pay everyone top dollar... so if you pay a QB, a LT, a DE and a WR..... there is not a lot of money left to fill out the roster and pay a RB.

NE went through a whole dynasty with basically hobbling together 4 or 5 (or more) JAGs that could do one thing really well and then just plugged them in as the gameplan dictated.
Call it what you want. It’s about dollars and cents. aka business. Every team is under the salary cap some as much as 38 million. The richest owner in the NFL is 19 million under the cap. It’s business. Even someone that’s allegedly crazy about winning Jerry Jones is 18 million under.
 
You’re fired up about this.

I am. RBs in general are getting shafted, but especially elite ones like Jacobs and Saquan. Next CBA should outlaw the 5th yr option and franchise tag for RBs. Those mechanisms have been weaponized against them in particular. It's not good for the game in the long run if elite youth players stop playing RB, and they will if things don't change.
Or make the tag a set number, something like $15M+ or so for RBs. Not sure what the numbers should be, maybe higher since the next CBA does not come up for a while. They would be more likely to get a long term deal and be happier to play on the tag if they don't reach a long term deal. Also have the RBs get paid more than their draft slot calls for.
I think it’s pretty fair as it is now. Average the top 5 salaries of your position.
 
You’re fired up about this.

I am. RBs in general are getting shafted, but especially elite ones like Jacobs and Saquan. Next CBA should outlaw the 5th yr option and franchise tag for RBs. Those mechanisms have been weaponized against them in particular. It's not good for the game in the long run if elite youth players stop playing RB, and they will if things don't change.
Or make the tag a set number, something like $15M+ or so for RBs. Not sure what the numbers should be, maybe higher since the next CBA does not come up for a while. They would be more likely to get a long term deal and be happier to play on the tag if they don't reach a long term deal. Also have the RBs get paid more than their draft slot calls for.
I think it’s pretty fair as it is now. Average the top 5 salaries of your position.
Maybe the answer is set aside a pool of bonus money to be paid to RBs that perform well at the end of each year by the league? I think it is unfair for a RB that plays great, but is say a 3rd-4th round pick or later. In that case they don't get paid a lot on their rookie deal and then no one wants to pay them because of the wear and tear on their body for the first four years of their career.
 
You’re fired up about this.

I am. RBs in general are getting shafted, but especially elite ones like Jacobs and Saquan. Next CBA should outlaw the 5th yr option and franchise tag for RBs. Those mechanisms have been weaponized against them in particular. It's not good for the game in the long run if elite youth players stop playing RB, and they will if things don't change.
Or make the tag a set number, something like $15M+ or so for RBs. Not sure what the numbers should be, maybe higher since the next CBA does not come up for a while. They would be more likely to get a long term deal and be happier to play on the tag if they don't reach a long term deal. Also have the RBs get paid more than their draft slot calls for.
I think it’s pretty fair as it is now. Average the top 5 salaries of your position.
Maybe the answer is set aside a pool of bonus money to be paid to RBs that perform well at the end of each year by the league? I think it is unfair for a RB that plays great, but is say a 3rd-4th round pick or later. In that case they don't get paid a lot on their rookie deal and then no one wants to pay them because of the wear and tear on their body for the first four years of their career.
I don’t think that will fly. Socialism and all that. Where does the pool of money come from? And what about the Brock Purdy’s and maxx Crosby‘s of the world? You gonna give them bonuses as well? Cause if one position has a performance based bonus, you know they’ll all want one.

hell, due to poor decisions, Marc Davis is paying carr 5.6M and leatherwood 3.9M. This year. No way are owners gonna pony up more money for dudes that out perform their draft positions.
 
Socialism and all that. Where does the pool of money come from?
The NFL is already Socialist AF. There is a thread dedicated to RB pay somewhere around here.

A pool of money already exists that is allocated to players who outperform their contracts. So there is precedent for such a thing.
 
Socialism and all that. Where does the pool of money come from?
The NFL is already Socialist AF. There is a thread dedicated to RB pay somewhere around here.

A pool of money already exists that is allocated to players who outperform their contracts. So there is precedent for such a thing.
Fascinating. I had no idea this slush fund existed. The way it’s set up now won’t give some 7th rounder 10M. But it’s already in place and seems to directed at this very issue. the next CBA Negotiation is 2030. 😂
 

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