Chandle Jones for Nick Bosa!!!! we could only dream....
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raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
chandler was smoking the synthetic reefer 
Chaka
Footballguy
Apparently they were 7 million over the cap before this restructure.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
They are now sitting at around $10.9 million now according to over the cap.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I detailed this better upthread a few pages ago now. If they deal Jones the receiving team would only be on the hook for ~$2MM this year, and then could cut him next year without any dead cap. Raiders would save ~$2MM in cap this year (net of dead cap) and take a $12MM dead cap charge next year, which is almost certain either way, because they will surely cut him next year given the dramatic salary jump in 2024. Spotrac outlines all of this well.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Which neither had anything to do with any of the current coaches and GM
LawFitz
Footballguy
Jones drama starting to become clearer for me all of a sudden. Just remembered that they have an extra week or so roster exemption since Jacobs signed late, allowing them 54. Someone needs to go, and my posts a few pages back explain how/why that someone is Jones and that explains why they aren't allowing him in the building, while awaiting trade options.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think you are joking but that actually makes sense of all of it....he forgot it was labor day
everyone was at home having barbecues with their families and jones went nuts
The facility being closed.
No one answering their phone.
Him deleting everything once he figures it out.
massraider
Footballguy
I think it could go either way. Kind of seems like the Raiders aren't 100% sure what this is about, at least no one has leaked it.
And if he wanted out, why delete everything?
I am fine with moving on if he's a problem, but we better make SURE. He better be completely useless as a player, because the cap savings is minimal. So the best outcome would be for him to produce here.
And if he wanted out, why delete everything?
I am fine with moving on if he's a problem, but we better make SURE. He better be completely useless as a player, because the cap savings is minimal. So the best outcome would be for him to produce here.
massraider
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Brian Burns please. That's been bugging the heck out of me ever since they took Ferrell ahead of him.
Make it right Mark!!!
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
I think you are joking but that actually makes sense of all of it....he forgot it was labor day
everyone was at home having barbecues with their families and jones went nuts
The facility being closed.
No one answering their phone.
Him deleting everything once he figures it out.
Chandler Jones apologizes after turning up naked, drugged at hospital
The 25-year-old defensive end was taken to the emergency room on Sunday after visiting Foxborough police station in Massachusetts who reported a 'medical emergency'.
pre-workout + synthetic reefer and being locked out of the facility = lol
guy went nuts and didn't realize it was 3 am when he's trying to contact his boss
too bad they can't use this to get out of the bad contract, but hopefully jones can play better with reduced snap counts going to the rookie
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am confused.... this is from 2016I think you are joking but that actually makes sense of all of it....he forgot it was labor day
everyone was at home having barbecues with their families and jones went nuts
The facility being closed.
No one answering their phone.
Him deleting everything once he figures it out.Chandler Jones apologizes after turning up naked, drugged at hospital
The 25-year-old defensive end was taken to the emergency room on Sunday after visiting Foxborough police station in Massachusetts who reported a 'medical emergency'.www.dailymail.co.uk
pre-workout + synthetic reefer and being locked out of the facility = lol
guy went nuts and didn't realize it was 3 am when he's trying to contact his boss
too bad they can't use this to get out of the bad contract, but hopefully jones can play better with reduced snap counts going to the rookie
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
you think he stopped smoking after that?
most people never completely quit whatever substance they enjoy.
most people never completely quit whatever substance they enjoy.
ZADO
Footballguy
#Rickyiloveweedwilliams
ZADO
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
not "god is good"? he portrays himself as a religious fella
LawFitz
Footballguy
Raiders were looking to trade Chan and locked him out until they figured **** out - or at least that's how this appears. He was understandably pissed, but the meltdown was a bit much. Ah well, this is how it goes when you fall out of favor with McZiegler. Definitely don't agree with letting these situations unravel like this when they look to move on from players. Sets a bad tone with those who remain, IMO. Or maybe Chan (and Carr before him) are just diva idiots. That could be true too.
raidersraidersraiders
Footballguy
raiders may be able to break the contract with chandler. he's going AB mode
massraider
Footballguy
This is Instagram posts, right? I didn't miss him choking out someone after practice or anything?
Instagram posts?
massraider
Footballguy
Raiders head coach Josh McDaniels said on Wednesday that the team and defensive end Chandler Jones were dealing with “a personal situation and a private matter” when asked about Jones slamming the team on social media earlier this week, but Jones opted to go public again later in the day.
In posts to his Instagram account that have since been deleted, Jones showed the badge of a member of Las Vegas’ Crisis Response Team that he said the Raiders sent to his home. He said Dr. Heather Thanepohn, who is the clinical program manager of the CRT, told him he needed to come with them because he was “in danger.”
Jones also shared screenshots he said are texts from August with McDaniels that suggest the issues between Jones and the team have been going on for some time. Jones said he won’t post anything else if the Raiders let him play in Sunday’s game against the Broncos and asked why no one has asked the team why they have sent him away from the team.
The Raiders still list Jones as a starter on their depth chart, but it’s clear that there’s a lot unknown about what’s going on between Jones and the team. There may also be reason for concern about Jones’ well-being and making sure he’s healthy is the most significant issue for all involved to deal with at the moment.
In posts to his Instagram account that have since been deleted, Jones showed the badge of a member of Las Vegas’ Crisis Response Team that he said the Raiders sent to his home. He said Dr. Heather Thanepohn, who is the clinical program manager of the CRT, told him he needed to come with them because he was “in danger.”
Jones also shared screenshots he said are texts from August with McDaniels that suggest the issues between Jones and the team have been going on for some time. Jones said he won’t post anything else if the Raiders let him play in Sunday’s game against the Broncos and asked why no one has asked the team why they have sent him away from the team.
The Raiders still list Jones as a starter on their depth chart, but it’s clear that there’s a lot unknown about what’s going on between Jones and the team. There may also be reason for concern about Jones’ well-being and making sure he’s healthy is the most significant issue for all involved to deal with at the moment.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I have no clue what is going on but the idea that they were trying to trade him and locked him out doesn't seem plausible to me.
What team would want to trade for him? Or rather, what team would want to trade for that contract? Based off of last year, he is not performing anywhere near the level of the contract. Why would a team take that on and give up anything for it? I just can't see anyone giving up even a conditional 7th to get him on the roster and pay him after last year where he looked over the hill and unable to impact the game. He looked like day old toast last year. It puts the probability of it to me at less than 1%.
What team would want to trade for him? Or rather, what team would want to trade for that contract? Based off of last year, he is not performing anywhere near the level of the contract. Why would a team take that on and give up anything for it? I just can't see anyone giving up even a conditional 7th to get him on the roster and pay him after last year where he looked over the hill and unable to impact the game. He looked like day old toast last year. It puts the probability of it to me at less than 1%.
The “pow wow” with AB and Aldon Smith is confusing. Two players that have absolutely nothing to do with McDaniels and Ziegler. The only link between them and Jones is Mark Davis. Maybe that’s where this is coming from. The top, Davis is not thrilled about paying the salary of an underperforming, over the hill vet. Who knows… All I do know is as the new season starts, the Raiders are gonna Raider.
kaso
Footballguy
Yeah, that was my bad.... he wrote God.
kaso
Footballguy
Players going to social media is one thing, going to happen... hell to an extent most of the public probably exercises that type of frustration/venting exercise.... But it is the content of the messages that seem really off to me. I'm no expert in the mental health space (rather not an expert in anything at all actually), but there seems to be an undertone of a broken thought pattern that doesn't pass the (pardon the pun) sanity check for me.
This situation has flipped to being worried about a guys health, vs. drama between the team and player.
This situation has flipped to being worried about a guys health, vs. drama between the team and player.
Chaka
Footballguy
The only link between them is most likely mental health issues.
Sometimes it's not actually the Raiders causing the problem.
Chaka
Footballguy
Exactly.
True, but the media sure likes to spin it that way.
Chaka
Footballguy
Don't need to go to the media for that, just scroll up a bit.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
freaking raiders..... sigh
LawFitz
Footballguy
I've explained it upthread a couple times. Any team trading for him would be on the hook for only ~$2 MM this year and could cut him w/o dead cap next year.
Raiders would receive ~$2 MM in cap savings this year and would take an already baked-in (and thus irrelevant to this decision) dead cap hit of $12 MM next year.
His contract is not a hinderence whatsoever to trading him.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
And kudos to you for seeing that something wasn’t right in chandler jones land.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I saw something that said he stopped following Maxx Crosby.... I wonder if there was some sort of issues in the locker room
Chadstroma
Footballguy
There is something going on that isn't a 'locked out to trade' thing.
Way too much smoke for other fires.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I don't disagree that this could be the case. It could also be that they put him on ice in order to work on a trade and he starting melting down publicly. Who knows, but I do like that Hondo vouched for McDaniels. Made me feel better about the situation for now, until we get more info. Weird situation all around - just hoping it's not another case of the Raiders not knowing how to file for divorce without major drama.
kaso
Footballguy
yes, he stopped following the Raiders and Maxx
Maxx had stated the following regarding Jones, "Everything's in house. We're good" (Good this time, not god!)
I think this is a scenario where a.) we will never be able to decipher what's going on. Applying logic to emotionally driving decisions never works, and b.) we will never find out.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Onto more upbeat news... Raiders are beyond lucky to have Maxx Crosby signed and sealed...
Maxx's contract last year: 5 yrs, $98 MM, $26 MM guaranteed at signing, $53 MM total guarantees ($19.6 MM per year average)
Bosa's contract just signed: 6 yrs, $189 MM, $50 MM signing bonus, $122.5 MM total guarantees ($31.5 MM per year average)
Maxx's contract last year: 5 yrs, $98 MM, $26 MM guaranteed at signing, $53 MM total guarantees ($19.6 MM per year average)
Bosa's contract just signed: 6 yrs, $189 MM, $50 MM signing bonus, $122.5 MM total guarantees ($31.5 MM per year average)
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Sounds like Hondo knows exactly what is happening and is honoring the desire to keep it in house.... I mean, he can't burn his sources but still that is stand up thing for a journalist.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I might be willing to assign a small g god to Maxx
LawFitz
Footballguy
Oof, some not so good new details on the Chan Jones situation...
heavy.com
Click the link to read his posts and watch his creepy *** vid. Chan made a cryptic apologetic text to McD on Aug 18 for something he said previously, which I can only guess may have started all of this weeks ago when he mysteriously disappeared from practices. McD responded fairly coldly, which seems to have only set off Jones even more; and now he's threatening to release more vids and texts.
Can't fathom how he's not done as a Raider after this latest outburst. Expect a trade or release tomorrow. And my original cap math is confirmed by beat writers... Acquiring team would be on the hook for only $1.65 MM this year and nothing more. Maybe a team would be willing to float them a 7th to secure him that cheaply. Otherwise, he hits the open market and could dictate a higher dollar figure, depending on how many teams would overlook this very bizarre breakup.
Chandler Jones Sends First Message Since Controversy, Threatens Josh McDaniels
The Las Vegas Raiders defensive end isn't making the situation any better.
heavy.com
Click the link to read his posts and watch his creepy *** vid. Chan made a cryptic apologetic text to McD on Aug 18 for something he said previously, which I can only guess may have started all of this weeks ago when he mysteriously disappeared from practices. McD responded fairly coldly, which seems to have only set off Jones even more; and now he's threatening to release more vids and texts.
Can't fathom how he's not done as a Raider after this latest outburst. Expect a trade or release tomorrow. And my original cap math is confirmed by beat writers... Acquiring team would be on the hook for only $1.65 MM this year and nothing more. Maybe a team would be willing to float them a 7th to secure him that cheaply. Otherwise, he hits the open market and could dictate a higher dollar figure, depending on how many teams would overlook this very bizarre breakup.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Why can't we have a year where nothing fraking crazy happens?
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