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2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (2 Viewers)

Was just reading about Harbaugh. I’d be plenty excited if I was you guys about that. Look at the turnaround he had in SF when he took over. Team went from irrelevant for a decade to instant contenders. If it wasn’t for an egomaniac Jed York, he prob would’ve gotten SF a ring. He would be a great hire, imo.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
joey said:
i hate that we keep changing GM and coaching staffs every couple of years. No consistency at all.

that said, I’m very happy with this move. Bring back Bassacia! :)
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It started when he ran Alex Leatherwood out as the #17 pick overall the season prior to his arrvial. Now i'm not saying Leatherwood was a good Tackle but it was a direct slap in the face to the owners and FO, the Raiders should not have allowed him to do it with such gusto

-McDaniels wanted to run a dictatorship, he does not have good relationships with his players and it shows.
-He ran Carr out, i don't think Carr is an outstanding QB but he was better than Jimmy G in a Raiders uniform.

-Calling Davis as Mork is an insult to Robin Williams
-Davis looks more like an extra from the movie set Mississippi Burning and I'll leave it at that
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LW was awful. And has nothing to do with mcD’s departure. He does suck in the locker room. I don’t think he he ran carr out. But even he did, it was overdue. Carr is a mediocre qb.

denigrating the way the owner looks is tired, old schtick. You’re better than that.
 
i just keep telling myself

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''
 
ZADO said:
i just keep telling myself

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''
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Yeah, the reason is: this franchise is a steaming pile and is run like an amateur organization. Embarrassing.
 
Bruno2 said:
ZADO said:
Who`s the next man up?
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No more retreads! Who’s Mike McDaniel’s OC? Someone from the Shanahan tree? No more big names and talking heads from TV. Get us an up and comer with innovative coaching philosophies and some energy. Oh yeah, make sure Grop never starts for the Raiders again, what a disaster.
Unfortunately, this will be another full rebuild as the Raiders house is riddled with McD’s people right now.
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Ben Johnson is Detroit's OC and my choice right now. He might be a little light on experience being in only his second season as OC but if we want young hungry dynamic offensive minds he's the top of the list.

As fun as it would be to bring back Bisaccia I think that's a non-starter. Many of the people that were swept up in that wave of emotion aren't even here, in particular Carr.
 
CGRdrJoe said:
ZADO said:
i just keep telling myself

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''

'' Everything happens for a reason ''
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for 20 years??? Babies born the day that the raiders won their last playoff game will legally be able to drink in 2 months :wall:
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My 29 year old daughter was 8 the last time they won a playoff game. Bums me out every time I think of it that way.
 
Hankmoody said:
Bruno2 said:
ZADO said:
Who`s the next man up?
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No more retreads! Who’s Mike McDaniel’s OC? Someone from the Shanahan tree? No more big names and talking heads from TV. Get us an up and comer with innovative coaching philosophies and some energy. Oh yeah, make sure Grop never starts for the Raiders again, what a disaster.
Unfortunately, this will be another full rebuild as the Raiders house is riddled with McD’s people right now.
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Ben Johnson is Detroit's OC and my choice right now. He might be a little light on experience being in only his second season as OC but if we want young hungry dynamic offensive minds he's the top of the list.

As fun as it would be to bring back Bisaccia I think that's a non-starter. Many of the people that were swept up in that wave of emotion aren't even here, in particular Carr.
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Bisaccia is a leader, and strong (player friendly) leadership is what this organization needs. If he were ever to be considered, he would need so strong coaches and Xs and Os guys working for him. Because of the reasons you previously mentioned, I don’t think he’s on the radar.
 
fantasycurse42 said:
Was just reading about Harbaugh. I’d be plenty excited if I was you guys about that. Look at the turnaround he had in SF when he took over. Team went from irrelevant for a decade to instant contenders. If it wasn’t for an egomaniac Jed York, he prob would’ve gotten SF a ring. He would be a great hire, imo.
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He is the only ex-HC for the NFL that I would want. Otherwise, I am not interested in any second or third chance OC or DC who has failed at HC. As you point out, Harbaugh didn't fail at the NFL level. He was my top choice last go around and is my top choice now. If the whole sign stealing thing becomes too much heat.... maybe he decides to leave Michigan.
 
Bruno2 said:
Hankmoody said:
Bruno2 said:
ZADO said:
Who`s the next man up?
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No more retreads! Who’s Mike McDaniel’s OC? Someone from the Shanahan tree? No more big names and talking heads from TV. Get us an up and comer with innovative coaching philosophies and some energy. Oh yeah, make sure Grop never starts for the Raiders again, what a disaster.
Unfortunately, this will be another full rebuild as the Raiders house is riddled with McD’s people right now.
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Ben Johnson is Detroit's OC and my choice right now. He might be a little light on experience being in only his second season as OC but if we want young hungry dynamic offensive minds he's the top of the list.

As fun as it would be to bring back Bisaccia I think that's a non-starter. Many of the people that were swept up in that wave of emotion aren't even here, in particular Carr.
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Bisaccia is a leader, and strong (player friendly) leadership is what this organization needs. If he were ever to be considered, he would need so strong coaches and Xs and Os guys working for him. Because of the reasons you previously mentioned, I don’t think he’s on the radar.
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Agree 1000%

My particular take is that so many NFL HC's fail because they are hired from the OC and DC ranks. The thinking goes, that they are a great OC or DC so they must be the next great HC. The problem is that the skillset to be a great OC or DC is not the same as that to be a great HC. Not many have both skillsets. It is similar to being an a sales organization. You have a great salesperson and when the manager position comes available, the most likely person to get that position is that great salesperson but they may not have the skillset to be a great manager. I have seen that over and over when I was working for banks and I suffered through it myself at times.

Bisaccia is a leader. There is no doubt about that. He took over after the most ridiculous year any NFL team ever saw and got them to the playoffs. There was no doubt that the entire team was bought in and playing hard.

You get him a good OC and DC- he will get the team wins. It would be shocking to see him brought back.... that type of thing just doesn't happen but I would be all for it.
 
Chadstroma said:
Bruno2 said:
Hankmoody said:
Bruno2 said:
ZADO said:
Who`s the next man up?
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No more retreads! Who’s Mike McDaniel’s OC? Someone from the Shanahan tree? No more big names and talking heads from TV. Get us an up and comer with innovative coaching philosophies and some energy. Oh yeah, make sure Grop never starts for the Raiders again, what a disaster.
Unfortunately, this will be another full rebuild as the Raiders house is riddled with McD’s people right now.
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Ben Johnson is Detroit's OC and my choice right now. He might be a little light on experience being in only his second season as OC but if we want young hungry dynamic offensive minds he's the top of the list.

As fun as it would be to bring back Bisaccia I think that's a non-starter. Many of the people that were swept up in that wave of emotion aren't even here, in particular Carr.
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Bisaccia is a leader, and strong (player friendly) leadership is what this organization needs. If he were ever to be considered, he would need so strong coaches and Xs and Os guys working for him. Because of the reasons you previously mentioned, I don’t think he’s on the radar.
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Agree 1000%

My particular take is that so many NFL HC's fail because they are hired from the OC and DC ranks. The thinking goes, that they are a great OC or DC so they must be the next great HC. The problem is that the skillset to be a great OC or DC is not the same as that to be a great HC. Not many have both skillsets. It is similar to being an a sales organization. You have a great salesperson and when the manager position comes available, the most likely person to get that position is that great salesperson but they may not have the skillset to be a great manager. I have seen that over and over when I was working for banks and I suffered through it myself at times.

Bisaccia is a leader. There is no doubt about that. He took over after the most ridiculous year any NFL team ever saw and got them to the playoffs. There was no doubt that the entire team was bought in and playing hard.

You get him a good OC and DC- he will get the team wins. It would be shocking to see him brought back.... that type of thing just doesn't happen but I would be all for it.
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The fact that he didn’t even get a HC interview after he was let go says a lot. He’s obviously great with the players but apparently the consensus around the NFL was that he’s not HC material. And that’s ok, being Special Teams Coordinator for life isn’t a bad gig at all.
 
Bruno2 said:
The fact that he didn’t even get a HC interview after he was let go says a lot. He’s obviously great with the players but apparently the consensus around the NFL was that he’s not HC material. And that’s ok, being Special Teams Coordinator for life isn’t a bad gig at all.
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I think that is more about prejudice against STC's (you likely could count on one hand the amount of HC's that were STC over the entire life of the NFL) and a fundamental misunderstanding of what skillset is important in a HC versus a OC/DC or for that matter a STC.
 
And who says he has to come back to the Raiders as a HC. I think it would be great that whoever Davis hires brings him back as a ST coordinator again. The players left over from 2021 would love it, I know Maxx would.
 
I think you guys are focused on the wrong problem. When the Raiders were dominant Al was in his prime as a talent evaluator. In fact, it could be argued that he was a genius at talent evaluation. As Al facilities slipped, so too did the team's performance on the field.

My issue with Harbaugh is that he would want control over the draft and talent acquisition. I do not believe that paradigm works. Gruden and Belichik are exhibits A and B.

Hire a strong GM that has a track record. The results will follow.
 
Chadstroma said:
Bruno2 said:
Hankmoody said:
Bruno2 said:
ZADO said:
Who`s the next man up?
Click to expand...
No more retreads! Who’s Mike McDaniel’s OC? Someone from the Shanahan tree? No more big names and talking heads from TV. Get us an up and comer with innovative coaching philosophies and some energy. Oh yeah, make sure Grop never starts for the Raiders again, what a disaster.
Unfortunately, this will be another full rebuild as the Raiders house is riddled with McD’s people right now.
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Ben Johnson is Detroit's OC and my choice right now. He might be a little light on experience being in only his second season as OC but if we want young hungry dynamic offensive minds he's the top of the list.

As fun as it would be to bring back Bisaccia I think that's a non-starter. Many of the people that were swept up in that wave of emotion aren't even here, in particular Carr.
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Bisaccia is a leader, and strong (player friendly) leadership is what this organization needs. If he were ever to be considered, he would need so strong coaches and Xs and Os guys working for him. Because of the reasons you previously mentioned, I don’t think he’s on the radar.
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Agree 1000%

My particular take is that so many NFL HC's fail because they are hired from the OC and DC ranks. The thinking goes, that they are a great OC or DC so they must be the next great HC. The problem is that the skillset to be a great OC or DC is not the same as that to be a great HC. Not many have both skillsets. It is similar to being an a sales organization. You have a great salesperson and when the manager position comes available, the most likely person to get that position is that great salesperson but they may not have the skillset to be a great manager. I have seen that over and over when I was working for banks and I suffered through it myself at times.

Bisaccia is a leader. There is no doubt about that. He took over after the most ridiculous year any NFL team ever saw and got them to the playoffs. There was no doubt that the entire team was bought in and playing hard.

You get him a good OC and DC- he will get the team wins. It would be shocking to see him brought back.... that type of thing just doesn't happen but I would be all for it.
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As an interesting data point, Andy Reid, whom Joe and others think is the best HC in the NFL, was never an NFL coordinator. He went from Packers QB coach to Eagles HC. Because he wowed Jeff Lurie and Joe Banner with his interviews, which included detailed plans for how he was going to turn the franchise around.
 
fatness said:
Satirical story about how Davis fired McDaniels.

"According to multiple sources who viewed the dessert" got a good laugh out of me.
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I like to think it happened something along the lines of the following....

Mark: Hi, Josh, take a seat. I would like to get a sense of what your plans are moving ahead.

Josh: Yes, we are going to make some changes to the gameplan and install some new plays on off....

Mark cuts him off: That's great.... are you planning on starting Jimmy G?

Josh: Yes.

Mark: You are fired. Take your boy Dave with you.
 
32 Counter Pass said:
I think you guys are focused on the wrong problem. When the Raiders were dominant Al was in his prime as a talent evaluator. In fact, it could be argued that he was a genius at talent evaluation. As Al facilities slipped, so too did the team's performance on the field.

My issue with Harbaugh is that he would want control over the draft and talent acquisition. I do not believe that paradigm works. Gruden and Belichik are exhibits A and B.

Hire a strong GM that has a track record. The results will follow.
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Agreed. I don't want any HC coming in thinking they are the answer to all the questions ever asked about football.

Champ Kelly was seen as a big get when we took him from the Bears as he was started to get buzz about being a GM candidate for another team. I think he was hired to be the man in waiting and part of what helped us get him over.

Now, is he the answer? I dont know but if he gets the perm nod, which I expect will happen, I hope he gets the power and not have some coach come in rolling over him.
 
Pip's Invitation said:
Chadstroma said:
Agree 1000%

My particular take is that so many NFL HC's fail because they are hired from the OC and DC ranks. The thinking goes, that they are a great OC or DC so they must be the next great HC. The problem is that the skillset to be a great OC or DC is not the same as that to be a great HC. Not many have both skillsets. It is similar to being an a sales organization. You have a great salesperson and when the manager position comes available, the most likely person to get that position is that great salesperson but they may not have the skillset to be a great manager. I have seen that over and over when I was working for banks and I suffered through it myself at times.

Bisaccia is a leader. There is no doubt about that. He took over after the most ridiculous year any NFL team ever saw and got them to the playoffs. There was no doubt that the entire team was bought in and playing hard.

You get him a good OC and DC- he will get the team wins. It would be shocking to see him brought back.... that type of thing just doesn't happen but I would be all for it.
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As an interesting data point, Andy Reid, whom Joe and others think is the best HC in the NFL, was never an NFL coordinator. He went from Packers QB coach to Eagles HC. Because he wowed Jeff Lurie and Joe Banner with his interviews, which included detailed plans for how he was going to turn the franchise around.
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He might not be a good example as he has had so much power over the teams offenses.... I suspect he is one of those rare people that have skillsets that would allow them to flourish in both roles.
 

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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership
 
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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership
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This is why im so dumbfounded by McGoofy , everyone else on the team knows AOC gives them the best chance to win , but not him. The fact they so emphatically support the rookie is awesome , its going to give him a huge boost of confidence and the players will all respond positively.
We may see a surge of inspiring wins like we did with Bisaccia.
 
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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership
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This is why im so dumbfounded by McGoofy , everyone else on the team knows AOC gives them the best chance to win , but not him. The fact they so emphatically support the rookie is awesome , its going to give him a huge boost of confidence and the players will all respond positively.
We may see a surge of inspiring wins like we did with Bisaccia.
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If he does, he should get the job like Bisaccia should have.
 
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ZADO said:
raidersraidersraiders said:

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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership
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This is why im so dumbfounded by McGoofy , everyone else on the team knows AOC gives them the best chance to win , but not him. The fact they so emphatically support the rookie is awesome , its going to give him a huge boost of confidence and the players will all respond positively.
We may see a surge of inspiring wins like we did with Bisaccia.
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If he does, he should get the job like Bisaccia should have.
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agreed 100 %
 
Can we please get someone who can work on maximizing the talent the players have rather than someone who has their own system and needs players to fit their system
 
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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership
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Antonio: "I was born a Raider."

The things I kept hearing were themes of believing, confidence and fun.

Both really come off as guys you like and you want to succeed. AP seems like a leader. He certainly has fire.

Champ reminded me of an interview back around the combine when he talked a lot about family. In that interview, he talked about how he watched how Josh and Dave interacted with their family to learn about them. Most of his comments were all centered around his family.

Beyond being a suffering fan... I want these guys to succeed. I would love to see them as our GM and HC for years to come. I am pretty confident Champ has the job and for AP, it is all about what happens with the team. I think there is a good chance that they play better under his leadership. If we start winning then you have to make him the preferred option.
 
What I want to see...

Renfrow used.
Tre used.
Remember we have the best WR in the league and use him.
Push the ball downfield further than 10 yards... once the defenses loosen, run Jacobs and run him more.
If we get anywhere near what the offense should be producing, with the defense playing much better ball.... we will win games.
 
Chadstroma said:
What I want to see...

Renfrow used.
Tre used.
Remember we have the best WR in the league and use him.
Push the ball downfield further than 10 yards... once the defenses loosen, run Jacobs and run him more.
If we get anywhere near what the offense should be producing, with the defense playing much better ball.... we will win games.
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All of the above has been painfully obvious since week 2. Offensive genius man couldn't see it though.
 
There’s a lot of posts in here that I’ve read in the last 5 minutes that I want to respond to but a little drunk so I’ll just go off memory ( from a Lions point of view )

Ben Johnson might be a great choice BUT

I do agree that a HC being good is probably independent from being a good coordinator. Infact as already mentioned being a special teams coordinator might be the best route. It’s more about motivation, leading men and making the best of what you’ve got. HCs don’t need to be super geeky X and O guys, they need to be inspiring leaders of men, set an overall culture, hire the correct men for the intricacies and set the tone/philosophy.

Caldwell was actually a good HC for the Lions. Would never have him as a coordinator. If Dan Campbell got fired tomorrow what would he be the coordinator of ? Nothing, but I LOVE the guy as a HC because he does all the things mentioned above and he does them well.

1. Get a GM that can draft well
2. Get an HC that is either an offensive savant like MDaniels ( unlikely ) or an HC that is what is listed above and that inspires the whole culture around the club ( maybe this return guy you talk or )

3. Must get all these hires correct though of course
 
massraider said:
Ziegler gave contract extensions to Derek Carr, Darren Waller and Hunter Renfrow last year, and then the Raiders cut Carr, traded Waller and stopped playing Renfrow. On Tuesday, the Raiders were unable to move Renfrow at the trade deadline because, league sources say, teams were unwilling to pay all the guaranteed money in Renfrow’s extension

Ouch
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Good grief. The McD era is even worse than I remember iwhen you lack back on it. So many bad things were happening that you didn’t always have time to fully absorb how terrible the decisions were.

On the bright side, we made it through the Gruden era and McD. It has to be better this time. Right!?
 
Chadstroma said:
What I want to see...

Renfrow used.
Tre used.
Remember we have the best WR in the league and use him.
Push the ball downfield further than 10 yards... once the defenses loosen, run Jacobs and run him more.
If we get anywhere near what the offense should be producing, with the defense playing much better ball.... we will win games.
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Wonder if we will find out why Renfrow was blackballed. McD was not going to let Renfrow have any success this season even if it cost the team.
 
DocHolliday said:
Chadstroma said:
What I want to see...

Renfrow used.
Tre used.
Remember we have the best WR in the league and use him.
Push the ball downfield further than 10 yards... once the defenses loosen, run Jacobs and run him more.
If we get anywhere near what the offense should be producing, with the defense playing much better ball.... we will win games.
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Wonder if we will find out why Renfrow was blackballed. McD was not going to let Renfrow have any success this season even if it cost the team.
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I am wondering if it is a combo of things.

I think one thing is style... Renfrow is very much a make the route up as you go on the feel from the basic concept type of guy. That is what he does well. That is what we saw when he was absolutely breaking the ankles of the best corners in the game with of nastiest (in a good way) route running I have ever seen. Like not double moves but triple moves that would seem to make the corners just give up their souls in a loss of faith. McD seems to want his WR's to run the exact route as the play with no ad libs. The thing that confuses me about that is then why did you give him a big contract? It isn't like that isn't painfully obvious in his tape.

Then there is plenty of smoke about there being an interpersonal issue. There seems to have been something that happened after the 4th game. The first game, he has a low side 22% offensive snap count. Ok... you can maybe chalk that up to not being a good fit for the gameplan. NE was notorious for RB's getting 35 carries with 150 yards and a couple of TD's one game and then being a healthy scratch the very next game based on gameplan. BUT the next few games he was at 65, 51 and 45. Underused still but more in line with what you would expect. Then 29, 10 and 36 before the last game at 60. You just don't not use a talented WR like him that you are paying like a top WR in the league consistently like that.

I have to figure Bo is going to do an overhaul on the offense. Tough ask because you can't just throw the entire offense out the window but you sure as heck have to change things and put your own stamp on this new offense.

If I was him... I am going to use Tre's speed. Take some shots down field. Even if we don't connect on them, it will loosen the D's. Unleash Renfrow in the short passing game and let Adams do this thing with all the space inbetween.

Throw in some more two TE sets with Mayer and Hooper.

As you get the offense some room with no having the entire D sitting on the running game and short passing game... THEN you run the ball like we have.

The one thing though is that we can not let the rookie get destroyed again like what happened on his first start. You have to give him time.
 
Apparently Renfrow was very close to being sent to the Saints. This was already known but it was assumed they couldn't agree on how the contract would work. I am seeing reports the reason it didn't happen was that Mark informed them that changes would be made and no trades were to be done.
 
From The Athletic -

“This time, I don’t really have anybody in mind that would potentially prejudice my thinking, so to speak,” [Mork] Davis said. “My thought process is wide open.

***“And there’s a very good chance that the head coach and general manager that we have right now may end up getting the jobs.”***
 
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