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[FreshiZ]

Agree 1000%

My particular take is that so many NFL HC's fail because they are hired from the OC and DC ranks. The thinking goes, that they are a great OC or DC so they must be the next great HC. The problem is that the skillset to be a great OC or DC is not the same as that to be a great HC. Not many have both skillsets. It is similar to being an a sales organization. You have a great salesperson and when the manager position comes available, the most likely person to get that position is that great salesperson but they may not have the skillset to be a great manager. I have seen that over and over when I was working for banks and I suffered through it myself at times.

Bisaccia is a leader. There is no doubt about that. He took over after the most ridiculous year any NFL team ever saw and got them to the playoffs. There was no doubt that the entire team was bought in and playing hard.

You get him a good OC and DC- he will get the team wins. It would be shocking to see him brought back.... that type of thing just doesn't happen but I would be all for it.

Not so much about Bisaccia but I agree with this sentiment. There are only so many Mike McDaniel in the world and difficult when to judge a wonderboy is ready to make the jump and lead a team. Have a better chance of finding a strong leader and then get them surrounded with the X O guys. Like Dan Campbell. Went from a TE coach and jumped to HC because it was most likely obvious he had the motivation and leadership skills to change a culture and lead men. If we can't find an up and coming braniac lets look for an ex player that can steer the ship and get guys to play for him and let the X O's fall into place.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership

I’m ready go run through a wall after watching that.

McDoomed just had me running for more alcohol

 

[Chadstroma]

I feel like a weight has been lifted that has been there since we announced McD as the HC. No idea if AP is going to be the answer to all our prayers but I know for a fact that McD was the answer to all our nightmares. Happy to move on.

 

[joey]

I feel like a weight has been lifted that has been there since we announced McD as the HC. No idea if AP is going to be the answer to all our prayers but I know for a fact that McD was the answer to all our nightmares. Happy to move on.

This. x10000

 

[joey]

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after watching the presser. I like these guys. so much so I hope they do enough to keep their jobs after this season.

I can see why MD promoted both. I think having some type of continuity goes a long way instead of bringing in new guys/outsiders who will want to tear down what's already there. AP said immediately that o'connell is starting, no BS about it. said aidan gives the team the best chance to win.

if this team was playing hard to the end for mcD after his nonsense, they gotta be ready to punch through a brick wall for coach AP. man exudes dominance and leadership

I like these guys and enjoyed the presser as well. Seem like real, passionate guys. I’m hopeful and optimistic.

my only criticism (and this goes for every coach or GM we’ve hired in the past 2 decades, as well as anyone we hire in the future):
can everyone please stop saying “commitment to excellence”? This team has been “excellent” in 20 freakin years. let’s first commit to above-average-ness and stay consistent at that before we talk about excellence. Every new hire says that phrase and it rings hollow when the team and organization continue to suck. Just lose that phrase until the raiders EARN it again.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Anyone making offers for Jacobs or Adams, they did well last time AOC was in, and what are you offering

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I hope I’m wrong, but I still think renfrow is cooked. McD may not have liked him, but it’s been 5? Different qbs that have ignored him.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

renfrow is good depth to have at WR. if davante doesn't miss the block in monday's game, renfrow would have had a nice gain and first down on the stat sheet. I remember seeing another target that was a bad pass by jimmy. I think hunter can still play if allowed to do his thing where he finds a way to get open in a one on one.

 

[Fezza]

Anyone making offers for Jacobs or Adams, they did well last time AOC was in, and what are you offering

I'm 7-1 in my league and I just traded for him.. I think I've overpaid tbh but I was kinda running away with the league. There's no big money involved so at least it makes it a bit more interesting.

I gave up Moore, DK and KW3 for Adams, Saquon and JSN.

My WR room now is CeeDee, Adams, Waddle, Devonta, Diontae, JSN and my RB's are Breece, JT, James Cook and Saquon.

I'm taking a chance on Adams and if my experiment fails, I feel like I still have enough at WR to do well. Saquon and KW3 is probably a toss up as KW3 has a much harder SOS.

 

[massraider]

I am on team consistency, I just wanted stability, but after reading Vic's piece on McDaniels and Ziegler, I get it.

i know most don't have a sub to the Athletic, so here it is. Worth a read.

There are a lot of reasons Las Vegas Raiders owner Mark Davis fired head coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Dave Ziegler on Tuesday night. The embarrassing loss to the Chicago Bears followed by an ugly showing against the Detroit Lions on national television Monday, the complete mishandling of every single quarterback move the last two years, bad free-agent signings, growing player unrest …
But the rope that brought the curtain down on McDaniels and Ziegler sooner than either ever imagined was their misplaced and empty confidence. While each surely played some kind of role in the New England Patriots’ six Super Bowl wins over the years, how much became more and more of a question to Davis with every misstep they made the last two years.

All the while, they assured everyone they knew what they were doing and their timeline shouldn’t be rushed. McDaniels and Ziegler had six-year contracts and the national media on their side, and what did Davis know about winning anyway?
Well … he knows he wants to win, and after 12 years of mostly losing, he was desperate to try a new approach — “The Patriot Way” — after the Jack Del Rio and Jon Gruden eras. Davis gritted his teeth through last year’s 6-11 inaugural season and even backed Ziegler this offseason when the GM said this season would be judged on player development and not wins.

(That he would say this and then pose in front of a picture of Al Davis on draft night definitely hit funny. Mark Davis’ dad only cared about winning.)

Davis and the team flew back from Detroit late Monday night and arrived in Las Vegas at 2 a.m. PT. Most people figured he would give the new regime two more games at least — winnable home games against the New York Giants and New York Jets — before blowing everything up. But Davis faced the facts during that flight and on Tuesday:

The 3-5 Raiders are not winning. And he had no real reason to believe they could beat the Giants or Jets.
And they’re not developing young players. The rookie draft class — with five draft picks in the top 104 — has 11 catches, a sack and 30 tackles through eight games.

An offense with Davante Adams, the best receiver in football, and Josh Jacobs, last year’s NFL rushing leader, is putting up 16 points a game.

When McDaniels talked to reporters Tuesday afternoon at his weekly news conference, it once again became clear that he had no idea why his offense couldn’t score points or how to fix the problem. An offense that was hard for his players to pick up was easy for defenses to stop.

Davis had called McDaniels “a chess player” when he hired him 21 months ago because he was always a step ahead of other teams when he was winning Super Bowls as an offensive coordinator with the Patriots.

 

[massraider]

But McDaniels was not a step ahead, and neither was Ziegler.

Ziegler gave contract extensions to Derek Carr, Darren Waller and Hunter Renfrow last year, and then the Raiders cut Carr, traded Waller and stopped playing Renfrow. On Tuesday, the Raiders were unable to move Renfrow at the trade deadline because, league sources say, teams were unwilling to pay all the guaranteed money in Renfrow’s extension.

Davis had no comment on the firings Tuesday night other than his official statement to part ways with McDaniels and Ziegler “after much thought about what the Raiders need to move forward.”

But Davis will tell you he had no problem moving on from Carr after his nine seasons as the face of the franchise. Davis was all for it. Davis’ problem was the contract extension Ziegler gave Carr that not only led to an awkward two-week benching of Carr at the end of last season, but worse, had a no-trade clause that wound up letting the quarterback walk with no compensation to the Raiders.
Worse than losing a top-15 quarterback for nothing is signing a quarterback for more than $33 million guaranteed who throws nine interceptions in six games. Tom Brady was Plan A, but he retired and Jimmy Garoppolo was McDaniels’ and Ziegler’s guy from New England. He wouldn’t have the same problems getting comfortable with the offensive scheme that Carr did, Davis was told.

How much did Davis want to believe in McDaniels and Ziegler? Just look at the Garoppolo mess. The quarterback failed a physical when he came in to sign his contract and would need foot surgery.

Quick history lesson: Nine years ago, the Raiders were set to sign free agent guard Rodger Saffold to a huge deal, but he failed a physical even though he insisted his shoulder was fine (and would play that season). Davis sent Saffold’s family and everyone else home from the news conference and called the whole thing off.


But this time, Davis went along with restructuring Garoppolo’s deal pending a healthy recovery by the end of training camp. Garoppolo said after the game Monday night that he is healthy and McDaniels echoed that Tuesday, but one has to wonder what effect foot surgery and a back injury in Week 6 had on a quarterback who does not look comfortable in the pocket or throwing deep.


There was a much cheaper alternative at quarterback in what Davis could have accepted as a rebuilding year. Jarrett Stidham, another former Patriot, started two games for the Raiders when Carr was benched last season and had mixed success. Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative), but back when we did chat, re-signing Stidham and drafting a quarterback early was a more attractive option than signing Garoppolo. But the Denver Broncos outbid the Raiders for Stidham (two years for $10 million, with $5 million guaranteed) and McDaniels and Ziegler really only liked one of the top five college quarterbacks, and Bryce Young was picked first by the Carolina Panthers.

 

[massraider]

The Raiders breathed a sigh of relief when Garoppolo was cleared medically in training camp — only to have the Chandler Jones saga go viral. The defensive end was mad at McDaniels and Ziegler and started posting some outrageous and inflammatory things on social media. He was placed on leave and was later released after the first of two arrests on two counts of violating a temporary protection order for domestic violence.

While no one could have seen that coming, Jones is also a former Patriot and leader who McDaniels and Ziegler vouched for. The $32 million guaranteed for a 32-year-old pass rusher was highly questionable even before Jones struggled at the start of last season. To make things worse financially, the Raiders restructured his deal in April to clear up cap space, and now his dead salary-cap hit is $25.6 million over the next two years while the Raiders already paid him most of the $32 million in cash.
The Renfrow, Carr, Garoppolo and Jones events overshadow what happened to Waller, but it all adds up for Davis. The Raiders traded Waller to the Giants in March for a late third-round pick — eight months after they gave him a three-year, $51 million contract extension.

Waller missed seven games last season due to a hamstring injury and is dealing with another hamstring injury now. But, like Carr and Pro Bowl linebacker Denzel Perryman and many others, he never really connected with the new regime. Many players tired of the epic-length meetings and the constant criticism, as well as the new regime’s monitoring of social media accounts and daily warnings to not trust the media. (Ironically, the two biggest leaks in the building were McDaniels and Ziegler.)

An NFL Players Association survey released in March — where 1,300 out of the NFL’s 2,200 players filled out a confidential report card — had McDaniels and his staff as the lowest-graded in the league.
“Player respondents felt that head coach Josh McDaniels is less likely to listen to his players and keeps them for longer hours than other head coaches around the league,” the report said.
Waller’s trade came 10 days after his wedding to Las Vegas Aces guard Kelsey Plum. The timing was more than interesting because McDaniels accidentally leaked the news of the wedding to reporters at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Waller was really upset with McDaniels when the Las Vegas Review-Journal posted a story announcing that the wedding was scheduled later in the week.

Plum tweeted that McDaniels was mad he wasn’t invited to the wedding, but she followed up later saying that she was joking. But he hadn’t been invited and it was a weird deal in the locker room and in the building — not to mention with teammate Maxx Crosby getting married the same weekend — and many players are convinced that Waller’s anger and the fallout were why he was traded.

(Davis owns the WNBA-champion Aces, and he was celebrating their second straight title with Plum and Waller 10 days ago.)

Davis was envisioning a Super Bowl parade when he hired McDaniels and Ziegler 21 months ago. The Raiders were coming off their second playoff appearance in 20 years, but Davis didn’t like the play calling in the playoff loss to the Cincinnati Bengals and replaced interim coach Rich Bisaccia and general manager Mike Mayock after a 10-7 season.


McDaniels and Ziegler would take the Raiders “the next step,” Davis said. But the Raiders went 9-16 with the new regime — after making a seemingly all-in move by trading a first- and second-round pick to the Green Bay Packers for Adams.

There were several embarrassing losses, from losing to off-the-street Indianapolis Colts coach Jeff Saturday to being shut out by the New Orleans Saints and blowing big leads to the Arizona Cardinals and Los Angeles Rams last season to Adams slamming his helmet on the turf in the closing minutes on Monday night.

Davis gave McDaniels and Ziegler a vote of confidence last season, but in March he had a cryptic quote aimed at taking Ziegler’s ego down a notch.

“Dave is young and has never been in this position before,” Davis said. “It takes time to learn all the tricks of the trade. I think the people he confides in might not be giving him the full picture because it’s so damn competitive. But he’s going to be doing great.”

Worse than the embarrassing losses by McDaniels and Davis’ money being set on fire by Ziegler was that there was no believable plan for success going forward. McDaniels looked more and more flustered by the day and said after the Bears loss that “football is a mysterious game sometimes.”

Not really. This marks the second time that McDaniels has been fired in Year 2 as a head coach — Broncos fans refer to him as “Hurricane Josh” after he went 11-17 in Denver from 2009 to ’10. And there will be a similar effect with the Raiders, as McDaniels and Ziegler overturned the front office and scouting staff and added a lot of former Patriots players to a reshaped roster.

Champ Kelly is the interim GM and Antonio Pierce becomes the eighth head coach, regular or interim, since Davis took over for his late father in 2011. He really tried to have patience this time, but with each passing day, it became more and more clear to him that McDaniels and Ziegler had no idea what they were doing.

And worse, they were in no rush to do it.

 

[massraider]

If that's too long to read, you're a crappy fan with no attention span. Read a book, mouth-breather.

But the tl;dr is 'hubris'.

It's funny because hubris is something I have bumped into a lot the last few years. People get some good results, a little success with something, anything, and they start to believe they are infallible. They know they are not, but they behave as though they are. Someone has a thought for a solution, and they decide it must be the way because they once also did this other thing that worked. No questioning of their own methods, no trying to poke holes in their own ideas, not trying to get to the best possible answer, even if it means their first thought was incorrect.

 

[ZADO]

Antonio Pierce and Champ Kelly Presser - 11.1.23 | Raiders |

Great presser , i LOVE these 2 , they come off amazing , like blue collar workers , down to earth and REAL

https://x.com/_mlfootball/status/1719825784225808516?s=46&t=SuzY0voE4GLsutGVrBmfgA

“New #Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce:

“I'm a former player. I touch former players. I can relate to them.”

“They're going to feel me. I need to feel them.””

He REALLY loves his players.

not that there`s anything wrong with that

 

[ZADO]

Here`s the new coach in action

I love the passion, and notice Maxx looking at him with admiration, like hes thinking ''That dude wants to win and will fight for us ''

 

[kaso]

At risk of opening a large can of worms under the Jeopardy title of 'Hindsight', I wonder if Bisaccia wasn't retained partially because Davis knew/wanted to get rid of Mayock. And he felt his ability to hire a GM would be limited if he was forcing a HC down the throat of a new GM?

 

[kaso]

Words directly from Maxx on the change...

 

[kaso]

Looks like AP was telling the truth about always being a Raider...

 

[kaso]

Champ and AP making movies... signed LB Jaylon Smith off of the Saints practice squad.

 

[massraider]

Champ and AP making movies... signed LB Jaylon Smith off of the Saints practice squad.

Just makes me sad. He could've been great

 

[Bruno2]

Champ and AP making movies... signed LB Jaylon Smith off of the Saints practice squad.

AP 3 months ago, “hey Josh we need some LB depth, Smith might be worth a look.” McD, “NO!”
Boss gets fired, next day AP gets his job, “Jaylen! Wanna be a Raider?” Lol

 

[Hankmoody]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

 

[ZADO]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

Who`s quote is that ?

 

[Chadstroma]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

Who`s quote is that ?

Tafur

 

[DA RAIDERS]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

Who`s quote is that ?

Tafur

 

[Hankmoody]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

Who`s quote is that ?

Tafur

Hmm, for some reason I had conflated Tafur with Hondo. I don't know much about Tafur though, has be been bad? Does it coincide with the above timeline of "months"?

 

[kaso]

I'd like to suggest we change the thread to title to: "It's a new chapter. New era. New mindset."

 

[DA RAIDERS]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

Who`s quote is that ?

Tafur

Hmm, for some reason I had conflated Tafur with Hondo. I don't know much about Tafur though, has be been bad? Does it coincide with the above timeline of "months"?

He used to be a solid raider beat guy. IMHO, over the last 6 months to a year, he became more a click bait sensationalist. Less reporting, more tmz

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am getting a sense of deja vu watching how the Raiders are wasting Adams talent. I can't help recalling how Al put Marcus Allen on ice during the prime of his career.

WTF was that all about?

 

[ZADO]

I am getting a sense of deja vu watching how the Raiders are wasting Adams talent. I can't help recalling how Al put Marcus Allen on ice during the prime of his career.

WTF was that all about?

He went into Al Davis's doghouse over a salary dispute before the 1986 season and it took free agency to lead him out of it and into Kansas City for 1993. He went from 380 carries in 1985 to 179 in 1990, from 18 touchdowns in 1984 to three in 1992, from being the most valuable player in Super Bowl XVIII to being benched in favor of somebody named Vann McElroy on critical third downs.

Adams is in a very different situation

 

[SDJohnny]

Vann McElroy was our Starting Safety in our last Superbowl victory. He wasn't a running back. Sorry to nitpick but he was a great Raider.
You're thinking of Vance Mueller.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

with all the bad contracts it's looking like there will be issues with salary cap until 2025.

why not keep champ and AP until then at the least? any other new coach would be given time until the cap situation gets back in balance.

the idea of bringing in some hot shot OC to be the head coach seems like a waste. why not just bring in a hot shot OC to be the OC? these guys often want to be the GM these days and pick their own GM to do their bidding.

AP seems fine with letting the GM do his job and the same with his coaching staff. I think it works better that way. I've had enough of the head coach wanting to be the OC and GM along with head coaching duties.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am getting a sense of deja vu watching how the Raiders are wasting Adams talent. I can't help recalling how Al put Marcus Allen on ice during the prime of his career.

WTF was that all about?

He went into Al Davis's doghouse over a salary dispute before the 1986 season and it took free agency to lead him out of it and into Kansas City for 1993. He went from 380 carries in 1985 to 179 in 1990, from 18 touchdowns in 1984 to three in 1992, from being the most valuable player in Super Bowl XVIII to being benched in favor of somebody named Vann McElroy on critical third downs.

Adams is in a very different situation

Obviously. But the results feel the same —> wasting a talented player at his peak.

 

[ZADO]

I am getting a sense of deja vu watching how the Raiders are wasting Adams talent. I can't help recalling how Al put Marcus Allen on ice during the prime of his career.

WTF was that all about?

He went into Al Davis's doghouse over a salary dispute before the 1986 season and it took free agency to lead him out of it and into Kansas City for 1993. He went from 380 carries in 1985 to 179 in 1990, from 18 touchdowns in 1984 to three in 1992, from being the most valuable player in Super Bowl XVIII to being benched in favor of somebody named Vann McElroy on critical third downs.

Adams is in a very different situation

Obviously. But the results feel the same —> wasting a talented player at his peak.

Well if his goal was to win a SB he had to have known it wasnt going to happen going to the Raiders . If his goal was to be peppered with targets by Carr than yes , im sure he feels jilted now . I think he will see an uptick in targets now that McGoofy was voted off the island.

 

[Hankmoody]

with all the bad contracts it's looking like there will be issues with salary cap until 2025.

why not keep champ and AP until then at the least? any other new coach would be given time until the cap situation gets back in balance.

the idea of bringing in some hot shot OC to be the head coach seems like a waste. why not just bring in a hot shot OC to be the OC? these guys often want to be the GM these days and pick their own GM to do their bidding.

AP seems fine with letting the GM do his job and the same with his coaching staff. I think it works better that way. I've had enough of the head coach wanting to be the OC and GM along with head coaching duties.

You can't do 18 months of interim. If they aren't the guy, then get the guy. From what I see from AP/Champ I'm excited and would probably be good with them but don't give it to them just to burn a "lost" year.

The reason to gamble on hot-shot OC is because all of the well established OC are already head coaches. And hiring a DC doubles your exposure. Not only do you have to hit at QB, you have to have them immediately gel and develop with their OC because every OC that's successful is going to get a HC job fast ala McDaniel, Stefanski, McVay, McConnell, Daboll etc. Otherwise you're left with Eberfleus and Fields situation. Ben Johnson's going to get a shot soon so DET will need to change OC and if Stroud keeps at it his guy will get a job in two years too. You'll be lucky to get 3 years from a new OC that's either really good and gets a HC shot or is bad and, well, is bad. OC don't sit around with teams for 10+ years. Head coaches do. The Rams and Chiefs have 20 year options in front of them and Mike McDaniel is well on his way too. How many times did we see Carr spin out as he was on his 5th OC in 7 years? The continuity he had with Gruden was on full display until the debacle hit.

There won't be cap issues per se in 2024, currently project to be $54M under the cap, but there will be a good chunk of dead money. Nothing prohibiting however, just a lot of dumb spend. Jimmy G will cost $28M whether he's on the roster or not, Renfro is $14M if they keep him, $5.5M to send him packing, and of course the gem of the crop Chandler Jones' $12.8M hit.

 

[RaiderBones]

Sounds like Adams is happy that the New #4 is finally getting the start again.

https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1720258241270345890

 

[drummer]

I still think this franchise will go after Jim Harbaugh. Unless Jerrah gets him first.

 

[ZADO]

Sounds like Adams is happy that the New #4 is finally getting the start again.

https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1720258241270345890

If he executes like he did in preseason he will do great , he needs to practice on a regular with the starters ,which he is now . Its going to be fun watching him grow

 

[LawFitz]

I still think this franchise will go after Jim Harbaugh. Unless Jerrah gets him first.

Count me in favor, unless coach AP pulls a Rich Bassachia on us this season.

 

[LawFitz]

Crazy how many of the Raiders biggest issues were turned upside down this week. GM, Coach, Playcaller, QB all new. May or may not be better, but all new. Feels like a shower after a long sweaty hard day pushing boulders uphill.

 

[Hankmoody]

He used to be a solid raider beat guy. IMHO, over the last 6 months to a year, he became more a click bait sensationalist. Less reporting, more tmz

So maybe fits the timeline he said Ziegler froze him out? Will be interesting to see how it pans out

 

[drummer]

I still think this franchise will go after Jim Harbaugh. Unless Jerrah gets him first.

Count me in favor, unless coach AP pulls a Rich Bassachia on us this season.

They need a "culture changing" head coach like Gruden was in his first tenure there. One that really really really hates turning the ball over, recognizes where the team's strengths are, and minimize the weaknesses. Harbaugh turns teams around, he did it everywhere he went. I mean he was there with the Raiders as QB coach under Callahan. It just makes too much sense. But see: Mark Davis.

 

[Hankmoody]

Sounds like Adams is happy that the New #4 is finally getting the start again.

https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1720258241270345890

He's happy about more than that

Adams: Raiders needed 'some sort of change'

It was a different vibe at the Las Vegas Raiders facility Thursday, when the team held its first practice under interim coach Antonio Pierce.

www.espn.com

"Don't get it confused," Adams cautioned. "It's not a celebration that we have a new coach and there's been changes made. We, obviously, think it was time, one way or the other, it was time for some sort of change. Just to bring a little juice in and revitalize the team a little bit. So, I think that's kind of the mindset we're having, just trying to have fun and enjoy our time in this building because I think as we speak to each other, it's been too much of, this has just been feeling like work too much and not having enough fun."

Adams went on to thank McDaniels and Ziegler for trading for him.

"As I've said countless times, I want to be a Raider," Adams added. "So I want to try to make this work and do everything I can to keep it going now."

 

[Chadstroma]

Tafur tweeted "happiest locker room ever"
Reed echoed with a reply of "a lot of smiles today"

 

[Chadstroma]

"Ziegler and I haven’t talked for months (I was deemed too negative),"

That right there is super telling. It's likely embellished, but any hint of this being true just speaks volumes. When a tyrant silences his critics, tyranny ensues. This just screams insecurity and entitlement. There are a few media personnel I think deserve to be cut off because they are overly sensational/click-baity in their criticisms, but this author is not one of them.

He was a coward and a clown, and I'm thrilled he's gone.

Who`s quote is that ?

Tafur

Hmm, for some reason I had conflated Tafur with Hondo. I don't know much about Tafur though, has be been bad? Does it coincide with the above timeline of "months"?

He used to be a solid raider beat guy. IMHO, over the last 6 months to a year, he became more a click bait sensationalist. Less reporting, more tmz

I wonder if that is because he got freezed out

 

[ZADO]

Sounds like Adams is happy that the New #4 is finally getting the start again.

https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1720258241270345890

He's happy about more than that

Adams: Raiders needed 'some sort of change'

It was a different vibe at the Las Vegas Raiders facility Thursday, when the team held its first practice under interim coach Antonio Pierce.

www.espn.com

"Don't get it confused," Adams cautioned. "It's not a celebration that we have a new coach and there's been changes made. We, obviously, think it was time, one way or the other, it was time for some sort of change. Just to bring a little juice in and revitalize the team a little bit. So, I think that's kind of the mindset we're having, just trying to have fun and enjoy our time in this building because I think as we speak to each other, it's been too much of, this has just been feeling like work too much and not having enough fun."

Adams went on to thank McDaniels and Ziegler for trading for him.

"As I've said countless times, I want to be a Raider," Adams added. "So I want to try to make this work and do everything I can to keep it going now."

I think the players are being politically correct in how they talk about McGoofy , not saying anything controversial or dramatic , but Hunter sums it up best i believe .

Former Pro Bowl receiver Hunter Renfrow also alluded to a "different energy" under Pierce.

"We're not walking on eggshells everywhere," said Renfrow, a forgotten man in the previous offense.

 

[LawFitz]

We're not walking on eggshells everywhere

Tells me everything my instinct already knew, but my mind needed validated.

I coach my kids' youth soccer teams. Obviously light years different than the NFL, but one common denominator exists. Have fun. Joshua Ronald McDonald II was and always will be the king clown of no fun zones.

 

[Chadstroma]

The Gruden vs NFL lawsuit should be fun

https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/the-black-hole-plus/sam-mirejovsky-roger-goodell-jon-gruden-mark-davis-nfl?fbclid=IwAR3r19J5jCDvJxSAHNi13SQJMmk5W7RCObljUBzECqMVCO4ANlSL-nnEp-A

 

[drummer]

Sounds like Adams is happy that the New #4 is finally getting the start again.

https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1720258241270345890

He's happy about more than that

Adams: Raiders needed 'some sort of change'

It was a different vibe at the Las Vegas Raiders facility Thursday, when the team held its first practice under interim coach Antonio Pierce.

www.espn.com

"Don't get it confused," Adams cautioned. "It's not a celebration that we have a new coach and there's been changes made. We, obviously, think it was time, one way or the other, it was time for some sort of change. Just to bring a little juice in and revitalize the team a little bit. So, I think that's kind of the mindset we're having, just trying to have fun and enjoy our time in this building because I think as we speak to each other, it's been too much of, this has just been feeling like work too much and not having enough fun."

Adams went on to thank McDaniels and Ziegler for trading for him.

"As I've said countless times, I want to be a Raider," Adams added. "So I want to try to make this work and do everything I can to keep it going now."

I think the players are being politically correct in how they talk about McGoofy , not saying anything controversial or dramatic , but Hunter sums it up best i believe .

Former Pro Bowl receiver Hunter Renfrow also alluded to a "different energy" under Pierce.

"We're not walking on eggshells everywhere," said Renfrow, a forgotten man in the previous offense.

https://media.giphy.com/media/mrRuxm8aJ4tyjEDweH/giphy.gif

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I am getting a sense of deja vu watching how the Raiders are wasting Adams talent. I can't help recalling how Al put Marcus Allen on ice during the prime of his career.

WTF was that all about?

This is totally different. The Marcus stuff was vindictive and on purpose. adams not getting his is a direct reflex ion of how bad a couch mcD is/was