2023 Las Vegas Raiders - RIP Jack - one of the greatest Super Bowl moments ever (2 Viewers)

[ZADO]

Here's an article that condemns Pierce for the cases mentioned above. Reading the facts of both cases, rather than the author's assertions, and putting them into the context I laid out above, makes me feel a lot less concerned about these incidents.

Antonio Pierce’s promotion to Raiders head coach an embarrassment for NFL

A more discriminate, cautious chief executive would not have allowed this, and the Raiders, knowing that Goodell would never indulge such, wouldn’t have even tried it.

nypost.com

Seems the author writes some wild stuff

Phil Mushnick wrote the most offensive sports column in the history of Earth

Sometimes, I wonder how certain columns get published. Sometimes, they are just so offensive or off topic or misinformed that we have to wonder who allows these affronts to humanity to be available to the general public. The NY Post's Phil Mushnick has written something that trancends all...

awfulannouncing.com

 

[Chadstroma]

LV has come off playing the Jets and Giants in back to back weeks. Arguably, neither team is playing a QB that should be employed by the NFL, let alone actually playing. Next 5 are against KC 2x, LAC, Mia and Minn. Give them 1-4 here? I want to see Pierce function against teams with legit NFL QBs. I am not a Pierce fan. He was a joke when he passed thru the NYG, involved in the whole Burress thing and abandoning his dogs during the Super Bowl. In today’s NFL and society, we like to overlook bad deeds, but let’s hope karma catches up here and knocks Pierce down a few pegs.

This seems personal.

Admittedly, yesterday annoyed me, as a Jet fan and a football fan. Lots of praise being heaped on Pierce by the announcers and, par for the course, his past is kind of white washed. I know NFL partners don’t talk about bad deeds, heck, you wouldn’t be able to root for many of these guys if so, but i am not a fan of an animal abuser. Yeah, LV is 2-0 under Pierce and you don’t pick your opponents, but jeez, the NYJ and NYG aren’t exactly NFL teams right now. I can’t stand watching the NYJ be embarrassed on national TV, it is compounded by the Pierce-Lombardi love shown by Tirico/Collinsworth. It’s just hard to watch the NYJ.

Nothing personal, i don’t know him, i am not a Pierce fan and want to see him tackle Mia and KC 2x.

Pierce-Lombardi?

 

[Chadstroma]

Miami’s d is decent. And historically, the raiders play TERRIBLY in Miami. Maybe that will change. I’m not holding out much hope.

I'm also hoping super trooper shows some improvement. Dude just seems slow. slow moving, processing etc. i HVent been overly impressed.

You realize he is a rookie on his.... what.... 3rd start?

Sure do. I’d like to see some improvement in the plodding way he goes about everything I’m hoping he starts looking more like a day 1-2 guy, instead of what he is, a 4th rounder. The team needs so many hole/depth spots to be filled, it would be nice to not need a qb. But at this rate, they will definitely be taking one with one of next years first 3 picks.

He certainly hasn't been perfect, but he's shown flashes, which is what I want to see from rookies. Next we need to see growth rest of this year. You see a plodder, whereas I am seeing a guy that's calm under some crazy pressure. That's not enough to succeed, but it is a common trait among successful NFL QBs.

I think he is just mad that his dreamboat got benched.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Miami’s d is decent. And historically, the raiders play TERRIBLY in Miami. Maybe that will change. I’m not holding out much hope.

I'm also hoping super trooper shows some improvement. Dude just seems slow. slow moving, processing etc. i HVent been overly impressed.

You realize he is a rookie on his.... what.... 3rd start?

w also had mcdonkey coaching him until the last 2 games. there is much room for growth and improvement with a new head coach and offensive coordinator. both for o'connell and the rest of the offense

Fair enough. Maybe Bo is the next mcvay. They’ve got hoyer and Jimmy meatball coaching him up too.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Miami’s d is decent. And historically, the raiders play TERRIBLY in Miami. Maybe that will change. I’m not holding out much hope.

I'm also hoping super trooper shows some improvement. Dude just seems slow. slow moving, processing etc. i HVent been overly impressed.

You realize he is a rookie on his.... what.... 3rd start?

Sure do. I’d like to see some improvement in the plodding way he goes about everything I’m hoping he starts looking more like a day 1-2 guy, instead of what he is, a 4th rounder. The team needs so many hole/depth spots to be filled, it would be nice to not need a qb. But at this rate, they will definitely be taking one with one of next years first 3 picks.

He certainly hasn't been perfect, but he's shown flashes, which is what I want to see from rookies. Next we need to see growth rest of this year. You see a plodder, whereas I am seeing a guy that's calm under some crazy pressure. That's not enough to succeed, but it is a common trait among successful NFL QBs.

I think he is just mad that his dreamboat got benched.

No. That needed to happen.

 

[Chadstroma]

I think he is just mad that his dreamboat got benched.

No. That needed to happen.

Been a rough break up?

 

[ZADO]

LV has come off playing the Jets and Giants in back to back weeks. Arguably, neither team is playing a QB that should be employed by the NFL, let alone actually playing. Next 5 are against KC 2x, LAC, Mia and Minn. Give them 1-4 here? I want to see Pierce function against teams with legit NFL QBs. I am not a Pierce fan. He was a joke when he passed thru the NYG, involved in the whole Burress thing and abandoning his dogs during the Super Bowl. In today’s NFL and society, we like to overlook bad deeds, but let’s hope karma catches up here and knocks Pierce down a few pegs.

This seems personal.

Admittedly, yesterday annoyed me, as a Jet fan and a football fan. Lots of praise being heaped on Pierce by the announcers and, par for the course, his past is kind of white washed. I know NFL partners don’t talk about bad deeds, heck, you wouldn’t be able to root for many of these guys if so, but i am not a fan of an animal abuser. Yeah, LV is 2-0 under Pierce and you don’t pick your opponents, but jeez, the NYJ and NYG aren’t exactly NFL teams right now. I can’t stand watching the NYJ be embarrassed on national TV, it is compounded by the Pierce-Lombardi love shown by Tirico/Collinsworth. It’s just hard to watch the NYJ.

Nothing personal, i don’t know him, i am not a Pierce fan and want to see him tackle Mia and KC 2x.

Not defending his actions but....

"This summons is for neglect. There is no pitbull fighting or any of that nonsense here," said My chalchyk. "After the dogs got loose, we found that one was underweight and had a respiratory illness. The other one was fine."
Faraone took one dog to a local shelter, but notified the SPCA that the second dog appeared underweight. That dog was taken to a veterinarian, who determined that it suffered from a respiratory illness, said Mychalchyk.
"Both dogs are now in a kennel. They are back in his (Pierce's) cus tody, but he has them in a kennel," said Mychalchyk. "I checked on them the other day, and both dogs are doing well.

It was unclear who was charged with watching the dogs while Pierce was in Arizona prepar ing for his team's Super Bowl vic tory.

 

[ZADO]

Too bad Chemical x only sees what he wants to see and there is no room for whys or what people learned from their mistakes .

Speaking a day after a Manhattan grand jury decided not to indict him on charges of carrying Burress' unlicensed firearm in the aftermath of the nightclub shooting, Pierce said Tuesday he acted reasonably, responsibly and instinctively in coming to the aid of a wounded teammate.

"I am not sorry for how I acted that night. I am not sorry for how I responded," Pierce said of the Nov. 29 shooting at the Latin Quarter nightclub, about 36 hours before the Giants had a game against the Washington Redskins. "I am sorry for putting myself in position that I had to respond the way I had to respond. There [are] a lot of lessons I learned from this. I take them to heart and I take them seriously, obviously. It has been a lot of ups and downs."

"I thought I acted very reasonably and responsibly and instinctively to a teammate that was in need, and that was my concern that night, to get him help," Pierce said.

Defensive end Osi Umenyiora said that none of the players felt Pierce would go to jail. However, the decision removed a major distraction and insured that the Giants would have their starting middle linebacker available.

"I think he did what any one of us would have done," Umenyiora said. "I don't think he did anything wrong in any sense of the word."

I think understanding where someone comes from is always important. Pierce grew up in Compton, California – home to one of the highest crime rates in America.
To go from an upbringing in that culture, and overcome those adversities in his teens, to then getting $26 million thrown at him in his 20s – that is a massive life change, which helps better understand why the two events might’ve occurred for someone in his shoes.

Regardless, what happened 15 years ago as a player is completely unrelated to the coaching career that has blossomed since then.

Lets not forget
Antonio Pierce was one of the best players in the entire league at giving back to the community.


Pierce was named spokesperson for the Giants Academy inner city youth program in 2006. In 2007, he was named the United Way’s “Man of the Year”. In 2008, he was awarded by Minority Athletes Networking Inc as its ‘MAN of the Year,’ for his excellence in the community.

From 2005 to 2012, Pierce hosted an annual free football camp for youth in Compton.

He also spent these years helping not-for-profit organizations like the YMCA, DARE, Cystic Fibrosis, My Sisters Place, ASC Football Camp, City Meals on Wheels and Make a Wish Foundation.

In 2006, he started ‘Antonio’s A-List’ as a motivational incentive program that rewarded students in the Giants Academy. He visited the students at school and accompanied them on service trips and preparing meals for the community.

In 2011, Pierce was named “Distinguished Alumnus of the Year” by Mount San Antonio College in Walnut, California.

Lets move on Chemical x , thank you

 

[Chadstroma]

After breaking his hand during the Lion's game two weeks ago, Raider's linebacker, Robert Spillane, had to undergo hand surgery. When asked if he could play after the surgery, Spillane responded by stating, "Your hand is far away from your heart," and proceeded to quarterback the Raider's defense against the Giants.

Dude.

 

[Hankmoody]

It was unclear who was charged with watching the dogs while Pierce was in Arizona prepar ing for his team's Super Bowl vic tory.

This is the key to me. I'm a huge dog lover. I'm sitting here looking at my own pupper's ACL that I just paid $2500 to surgically repair. I'm a massive advocate for taking care of your pets if you choose to have them. But was it even something he was involved in? I understand by the letter of the law they are his responsibility, but were they eve his? Where they his girl's dogs? Was she in charge while he was gone? Did he just need her to handle all things domestic while he was out making the millions? We aren't privy to the details of their personal relationship. And again ignorance isn't really an excuse, but there's a huge difference between being guilty of ignorance and being guilty of actual criminal behavior.

 

[ZADO]

After breaking his hand during the Lion's game two weeks ago, Raider's linebacker, Robert Spillane, had to undergo hand surgery. When asked if he could play after the surgery, Spillane responded by stating, "Your hand is far away from your heart," and proceeded to quarterback the Raider's defense against the Giants.

Dude.

Beast with heart

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I think he is just mad that his dreamboat got benched.

No. That needed to happen.

Been a rough break up?

Nah..he’s still dreamy

 

[massraider]

#Raiders pass rush vs NYJ:

Jerry Tillery: 5 pressures, hit, 25% win rate
Maxx Crosby: 5 pressures, 2 hits, 19.6% win rate
Malcolm Koonce: 4 pressures, sack, FF, 2 hits, 29.3% win rate
Robert Spillane: 2 pressures, sack,
66.7% win rate
Bilal Nichols: 2 pressures, 6.1% win rate
Adam Butler: 2 pressures, 24% win rate
Tyree Wilson: 2 pressures, 11.5% win rate
Nate Hobbs: pressure
Divine Deablo: pressure
John Jenkins: 18.5% win rate

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Looks like we just got Jack Jones from the Pats.

 

[Hankmoody]

Looks like we just got Jack Jones from the Pats.

When I saw that report on him I thought "wow, would be nice if we rolled the dice on a young talented guy someone else is kicking to the curb". Nice get.

 

[ZADO]

Looks like we just got Jack Jones from the Pats.

The Patriots didn’t want him. The Raiders do.
Cornerback Jack Jones, a 2022 fourth-round pick in New England, has been claimed on waivers by the Raiders, via Mike Garafolo of NFL Media.
Jones, as Garafolo notes, played at Arizona State when Pierce was a member of the coaching staff. Jones also played high school football for Pierce, who was the coach at Long Beach Poly through 2017.
The familiarity might be exactly what Jones needs. Something kept him from working out with the Patriots, and we’ve heard that other members of the Sun Devils coaching staff believed Jones would never make it in the NFL.
Maybe Jones’s only chance of making it comes from playing for Pierce, who might have the kind of relationship with Jones that gets him to focus and perform and otherwise comply with all expectations.
And, if not, the Raiders can waive him, the same as the Patriots did.

 

[kaso]

I know very little of Jones. But I liken the Raiders taking a swing on a player at a position of need. That's never a bad thing.

I'd also be willing to bet, Jones is more willing to make a tackle than Marcus Peters.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

 

[massraider]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Dude is a serious head case. Maybe AP can keep him in line, but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Maybe he can show Peters what tackling looks like.

 

[massraider]

Maybe he can show Peters what tackling looks like.

Hey Marcus, if you don't start tackling, Jones over here will break into your house and shoot you

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Maybe he can show Peters what tackling looks like.

Hey Marcus, if you don't start tackling, Jones over here will break into your house and shoot you

And steal some **** for good measure

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

hopefully he can steal some passes away from wide receivers

 

[ZADO]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

Well this pretty much says that Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge at the time

 

[LawFitz]

Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge

x10

 

[Hankmoody]

Jets cut RB Michael Carter let's go get him next.

 

[DocHolliday]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

Well this pretty much says that Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge at the time

Can you imagine the talent that would be on this team if the Raiders simply drafted the better players rather than the never-ending reaches? Contrary to one of our posters, choosing lesser talent now so we can draft better players in the future is a stupid plan and isn’t working. Carter over Wilson, and Lamb over Ruggs set the team back. Lamb has blossomed into one of best WRs in the league as many of us predicted. Tyreek is the only WR I can think of that’s playing better than Lamb.

AP could be a great coach but it’s going to take a couple of years to get the talent on the field to compete with the big boys like KC and Philly. It is possible to turn the ship around quickly with the right leadership and personnel moves as shown by Houston and Detroit. We just need logical personnel moves for a change.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Jets cut RB Michael Carter let's go get him next.

Not that zamir has shown anything, but won’t Carter cost more? Akiem hicks is still out there. Bring gabe Jackson back?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

Well this pretty much says that Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge at the time

Can you imagine the talent that would be on this team if the Raiders simply drafted the better players rather than the never-ending reaches? Contrary to one of our posters, choosing lesser talent now so we can draft better players in the future is a stupid plan and isn’t working. Carter over Wilson, and Lamb over Ruggs set the team back. Lamb has blossomed into one of best WRs in the league as many of us predicted. Tyreek is the only WR I can think of that’s playing better than Lamb.

AP could be a great coach but it’s going to take a couple of years to get the talent on the field to compete with the big boys like KC and Philly. It is possible to turn the ship around quickly with the right leadership and personnel moves as shown by Houston and Detroit. We just need logical personnel moves for a change.

I might jump ship if we do the logical look back. It’s maddening. There are people, some in this thread, that still defend the ruggs pick. It’s dumbfounding.

 

[-OZ-]

Crazy idea - lets watch the raiders go on a roll, make the Playoffs with a temporary head coach the players love, then go sign someone else for big money who is totally inept.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Crazy idea - lets watch the raiders go on a roll, make the Playoffs with a temporary head coach the players love, then go sign someone else for big money who is totally inept.

at this point, I liked coach b more than AP from a coaching stand point. Maybe that will change. and I’m as rah rah, old school, NWA as they come. While it wasn't Compton, I was a kid in downtown LA when I became a fan.

 

[kaso]

I watched some of the reply of last weeks game. There were some great throws/plays by AOC that I didn't pick up on during the game. The TD throw to Meyers was great during the game, but re-watching that reply it was pretty amazing; on the run, under pressure, and throws a ball only his guy can catch. There was another dime to Adams while basically under triple coverage. Another he delivered to Adams after AOC's foot is stepped on by a lineman, AOC makes a quick recovery after tripping turns and locates his guy.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I watched some of the reply of last weeks game. There were some great throws/plays by AOC that I didn't pick up on during the game. The TD throw to Meyers was great during the game, but re-watching that reply it was pretty amazing; on the run, under pressure, and throws a ball only his guy can catch. There was another dime to Adams while basically under triple coverage. Another he delivered to Adams after AOC's foot is stepped on by a lineman, AOC makes a quick recovery after tripping turns and locates his guy.

On the play where he got stepped on, I liked it that he still tried the ball fake the the rb

 

[DocHolliday]

Crazy idea - lets watch the raiders go on a roll, make the Playoffs with a temporary head coach the players love, then go sign someone else for big money who is totally inept.

No team is dumb enough to do that.

 

[DocHolliday]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

Well this pretty much says that Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge at the time

Can you imagine the talent that would be on this team if the Raiders simply drafted the better players rather than the never-ending reaches? Contrary to one of our posters, choosing lesser talent now so we can draft better players in the future is a stupid plan and isn’t working. Carter over Wilson, and Lamb over Ruggs set the team back. Lamb has blossomed into one of best WRs in the league as many of us predicted. Tyreek is the only WR I can think of that’s playing better than Lamb.

AP could be a great coach but it’s going to take a couple of years to get the talent on the field to compete with the big boys like KC and Philly. It is possible to turn the ship around quickly with the right leadership and personnel moves as shown by Houston and Detroit. We just need logical personnel moves for a change.

I might jump ship if we do the logical look back. It’s maddening. There are people, some in this thread, that still defend the ruggs pick. It’s dumbfounding.

If you noticed, I didn’t bring back a few of the other horrible early round picks because it is maddening and severely depressing. My point is only that the Raiders aren’t any good because of horrible decisions that made no sense at the time and the team can improve tremendously in short order by being smart. It’s not rocket science.

 

[Bruno2]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

Well this pretty much says that Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge at the time

Can you imagine the talent that would be on this team if the Raiders simply drafted the better players rather than the never-ending reaches? Contrary to one of our posters, choosing lesser talent now so we can draft better players in the future is a stupid plan and isn’t working. Carter over Wilson, and Lamb over Ruggs set the team back. Lamb has blossomed into one of best WRs in the league as many of us predicted. Tyreek is the only WR I can think of that’s playing better than Lamb.

AP could be a great coach but it’s going to take a couple of years to get the talent on the field to compete with the big boys like KC and Philly. It is possible to turn the ship around quickly with the right leadership and personnel moves as shown by Houston and Detroit. We just need logical personnel moves for a change.

Davis needs to stop hiring HCs that have final say over personnel decisions. What’s the point of having a GM if the HC like Gruden and McDummy make the final call? I say take the interim tag off Champ and just hire him right now and put him in charge. Have him evaluate everything football from AOC to APs performance. If he likes the triple threat of Graham, AP and Hardagree, he will have the resources to make that decision at the end of the season. I’m sure the offense will need to be overhauled next year, let Hardagree become the full time OC and put his stamp on it. And put Champ in charge and have the final say in all scouting and personnel decisions.

 

[LawFitz]

No need to commit to any of them yet. It's been two games against two schwaggy NY teams. Mork should wait until the season plays out to do anything more.

Raiders early picks have been almost universally awful for two decades, but the Ruggs pick was way more stupid decision making on his part then theirs. Lamb was the better player and pick, but Ruggs was clearly a 1st round talent. I bet some of you whining about that right now would've preferred Jerry Judy as well.

 

[Bruno2]

No need to commit to any of them yet. It's been two games against two schwaggy NY teams. Mork should wait until the season plays out to do anything more.

Raiders early picks have been almost universally awful for two decades, but the Ruggs pick was way more stupid decision making on his part then theirs. Lamb was the better player and pick, but Ruggs was clearly a 1st round talent. I bet some of you whining about that right now would've preferred Jerry Judy as well.

I’m only advocating hiring Champ right now. As we know it’s a 365 day season for a GM.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

champ picked AP and AP picked hardegree. so the power structure is as it should be.

I'm strongly in favor of giving champ and AP the same amount of time as any new GM/head coach hire. if guys like gruden and mcdaniels can be given time to build the team to their liking. why not AP? any new coach is given time to undo what they feel the previous coach messed up and build up the team their way. why should it be different for AP? unless something goes incredibly wrong between now and the end of the season of course.

mcdaniels was 9-16 before being fired and it wasn't his record that got him canned, it was the loss of faith in his ability to lead the team
gruden was 11-21 before the team he built went on to make the playoffs
kyle shanahan was 10-22 in his first two seasons with the niners
dan campbell started 4-19-1 before turning things around for the lions


I don't like the idea that AP has to do something more than any other new head coaching hire would have to. it doesn't really make sense. would any other coach being doing better in the same situation right now?

 

[ICON211]

champ picked AP and AP picked hardegree. so the power structure is as it should be.

I'm strongly in favor of giving champ and AP the same amount of time as any new GM/head coach hire. if guys like gruden and mcdaniels can be given time to build the team to their liking. why not AP? any new coach is given time to undo what they feel the previous coach messed up and build up the team their way. why should it be different for AP? unless something goes incredibly wrong between now and the end of the season of course.

mcdaniels was 9-16 before being fired and it wasn't his record that got him canned, it was the loss of faith in his ability to lead the team
gruden was 11-21 before the team he built went on to make the playoffs
kyle shanahan was 10-22 in his first two seasons with the niners
dan campbell started 4-19-1 before turning things around for the lions


I don't like the idea that AP has to do something more than any other new head coaching hire would have to. it doesn't really make sense. would any other coach being doing better in the same situation right now?

Understand your point, but it is a little different when it's a guy you determined was the guy after a full blown head coaching search and you gave a multi-year contract to vs a guy that just got thrown into the job because someone else was fired. AP got the HC job because McDaniels got fired and he was on the staff already. They didn't have a search and identify him as the guy they thought had the best plan to lead the team forward long term.
The rest of the year is a great opportunity for him to show that maybe he is the guy that gives them the best chance moving forward.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

He made some plays as a rookie iirc. Although, with so many Jones’s in NE it’s hard to keep track of them

This one is a rather memorable Jones.

He was the one that broke into a Panda Express in college, was kicked off the team, stepped up his game in the pros by attempting to bring two guns on a place, missed a curfew, and was benched twice by the Pats--he responded by sitting on the bench wearing a cape.

Agree with everyone: Totally on board with signing a guy who can help.

Jack, let me be the first to welcome you to the team that didn't draft jalen Carter because it wouldn't look good. WELCOME!

Well this pretty much says that Carter would have been a Raider if AP was in charge at the time

Can you imagine the talent that would be on this team if the Raiders simply drafted the better players rather than the never-ending reaches? Contrary to one of our posters, choosing lesser talent now so we can draft better players in the future is a stupid plan and isn’t working. Carter over Wilson, and Lamb over Ruggs set the team back. Lamb has blossomed into one of best WRs in the league as many of us predicted. Tyreek is the only WR I can think of that’s playing better than Lamb.

AP could be a great coach but it’s going to take a couple of years to get the talent on the field to compete with the big boys like KC and Philly. It is possible to turn the ship around quickly with the right leadership and personnel moves as shown by Houston and Detroit. We just need logical personnel moves for a change.

I might jump ship if we do the logical look back. It’s maddening. There are people, some in this thread, that still defend the ruggs pick. It’s dumbfounding.

If you noticed, I didn’t bring back a few of the other horrible early round picks because it is maddening and severely depressing. My point is only that the Raiders aren’t any good because of horrible decisions that made no sense at the time and the team can improve tremendously in short order by being smart. It’s not rocket science.

100% agree.

 

[DocHolliday]

No need to commit to any of them yet. It's been two games against two schwaggy NY teams. Mork should wait until the season plays out to do anything more.

Raiders early picks have been almost universally awful for two decades, but the Ruggs pick was way more stupid decision making on his part then theirs. Lamb was the better player and pick, but Ruggs was clearly a 1st round talent. I bet some of you whining about that right now would've preferred Jerry Judy as well.

I can’t soeak for others but I was a Lamb guy before, during and after the draft. I’m sure I can find posts from the old Raider threads. Sadly, even Jeudy would have been a better selection. He may not be great at football but at least he didn’t kill someone. With no Ruggs, LV would have been more likely to draft Carter too. Bad decisions have a way of coming back to haunt you in many ways.

Sorry if I offend you and any other Ruggs fans but it was a horrible draft pick that many of us called out within minutes of the selection.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

No need to commit to any of them yet. It's been two games against two schwaggy NY teams. Mork should wait until the season plays out to do anything more.

Raiders early picks have been almost universally awful for two decades, but the Ruggs pick was way more stupid decision making on his part then theirs. Lamb was the better player and pick, but Ruggs was clearly a 1st round talent. I bet some of you whining about that right now would've preferred Jerry Judy as well.

Still a better pick. We’ve all been screaming for years, please just take the player that makes sense. No reaches. No injured guys. No F’ing gadget players

 

[DocHolliday]

champ picked AP and AP picked hardegree. so the power structure is as it should be.

I'm strongly in favor of giving champ and AP the same amount of time as any new GM/head coach hire. if guys like gruden and mcdaniels can be given time to build the team to their liking. why not AP? any new coach is given time to undo what they feel the previous coach messed up and build up the team their way. why should it be different for AP? unless something goes incredibly wrong between now and the end of the season of course.

mcdaniels was 9-16 before being fired and it wasn't his record that got him canned, it was the loss of faith in his ability to lead the team
gruden was 11-21 before the team he built went on to make the playoffs
kyle shanahan was 10-22 in his first two seasons with the niners
dan campbell started 4-19-1 before turning things around for the lions


I don't like the idea that AP has to do something more than any other new head coaching hire would have to. it doesn't really make sense. would any other coach being doing better in the same situation right now?

Understand your point, but it is a little different when it's a guy you determined was the guy after a full blown head coaching search and you gave a multi-year contract to vs a guy that just got thrown into the job because someone else was fired. AP got the HC job because McDaniels got fired and he was on the staff already. They didn't have a search and identify him as the guy they thought had the best plan to lead the team forward long term.
The rest of the year is a great opportunity for him to show that maybe he is the guy that gives them the best chance moving forward.

AP is only getting a chance at HC because of the mid season firing of the visor. It’s not like LV or any other team was going to choose him to be HC during the off-season. Has he ever even had interviews? It’s a great opportunity for him and he is just what the team needs right now. They need a players coach and a real leader they can rally around more than they need an Xs and Os guy.. Let’s see how AP does over the rest of the season before we worry about the HC in 2024. There will be plenty of opportunity for Him to show he deserves the job as he gets tested each week with the usual weekly challenges as a HC in the NFL.

 

[LawFitz]

Not offended at all. Ruggs committed a stupid act, but was a heckuva player. Leaps better period than Jarry Judy, and a better deep threat than Lamb. No telling how much he could've improved had he not had his incredibly idiotic 22-yr-old moment. Very very few players have Tyreek-like ability, or even remotely close. He had Tyreek-like ability.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Not offended at all. Ruggs committed a stupid act, but was a heckuva player. Leaps better period than Jarry Judy, and a better deep threat than Lamb. No telling how much he could've improved had he not had his incredibly idiotic 22-yr-old moment. Very very few players have Tyreek-like ability, or even remotely close. He had Tyreek-like ability.

No he didn’t. The only player that has come along that has tyreek flashes is zay flowers. Ruggs was a bean poll. Tyreek is a fire hydrant. The only similarity was speed. Tyreek also has the best high point and hands in recent memory

 

[LawFitz]

The only similarity was speed.

Way off. Your anti-Ruggs, anti-Gruden mind was closed. Body type wasn't similar. Game was, very much.

 

[Chadstroma]

No need to commit to any of them yet. It's been two games against two schwaggy NY teams. Mork should wait until the season plays out to do anything more.

Raiders early picks have been almost universally awful for two decades, but the Ruggs pick was way more stupid decision making on his part then theirs. Lamb was the better player and pick, but Ruggs was clearly a 1st round talent. I bet some of you whining about that right now would've preferred Jerry Judy as well.

I can’t soeak for others but I was a Lamb guy before, during and after the draft. I’m sure I can find posts from the old Raider threads. Sadly, even Jeudy would have been a better selection. He may not be great at football but at least he didn’t kill someone. With no Ruggs, LV would have been more likely to draft Carter too. Bad decisions have a way of coming back to haunt you in many ways.

Sorry if I offend you and any other Ruggs fans but it was a horrible draft pick that many of us called out within minutes of the selection.

In hindsight, Lamb is the unquestioned best selection here and Ruggs ended up being a horrible pick but I can't say that it was a bad decision. The ultimate ruling on Ruggs is his decision off the field that lead to him no longer being in football. There was nothing to suggest that he was at any higher risk of having that happen than any other player coming out in the draft.

As far as the football field goes, he was really starting to develop. He has Tyreek speed and he was clearly starting to put it together. There is no doubt in my mind that if not for the horrible events of the car accident then he would be a significant impact player at WR. Certainly better than Jeudy.

But we will never know. Horrible pick, absolutely. A bad decision? No, because the end result has nothing to do with the decision making- it was happenstance outside of the decision making that made that final verdict.

 

[Chadstroma]

Not offended at all. Ruggs committed a stupid act, but was a heckuva player. Leaps better period than Jarry Judy, and a better deep threat than Lamb. No telling how much he could've improved had he not had his incredibly idiotic 22-yr-old moment. Very very few players have Tyreek-like ability, or even remotely close. He had Tyreek-like ability.

No he didn’t. The only player that has come along that has tyreek flashes is zay flowers. Ruggs was a bean poll. Tyreek is a fire hydrant. The only similarity was speed. Tyreek also has the best high point and hands in recent memory

5'11" 188 pounds
5'10" 191 pounds

Hardly a difference in body type.