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2023 NFL MVP race (1 Viewer)

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Looks like Mahomes is now the Vegas favorite, as he should be.

The top 5 favorites right now are:

1 Mahomes (15 total touchdowns, 6 turnovers)
2 Tua (15 total touchdowns, 7 turnovers)
3 Hurts (15 total touchdowns, 10 turnovers)
4 Lamar (13 total touchdowns, 8 turnovers)
5 Josh Allen (18 total touchdowns, 9 turnovers)

Personally, swap out Tua with Tyreek in the same spot (I feel Hill is easily more valuable than Tua), and I am good with the list. I get it if someone has C-Mac in there.
 
It seems crazy to me that Tyreek is not even one of the betting favorites right now in Vegas for this, but that play near the end of the half today did not help his cause.
 
No MVP chatter, eh?

I don't think I can remember a season where we were this deep into the season and there were no clear cut favorites to win it.
 
No MVP chatter, eh?

I don't think I can remember a season where we were this deep into the season and there were no clear cut favorites to win it.
Hopefully lining up for a non QB to win it. Been a long time. Adrian Peterson might be the last that I can remember
 
Looks like Mahomes is now the Vegas favorite, as he should be.

The top 5 favorites right now are:

1 Mahomes (15 total touchdowns, 6 turnovers)
2 Tua (15 total touchdowns, 7 turnovers)
3 Hurts (15 total touchdowns, 10 turnovers)
4 Lamar (13 total touchdowns, 8 turnovers)
5 Josh Allen (18 total touchdowns, 9 turnovers)

Personally, swap out Tua with Tyreek in the same spot (I feel Hill is easily more valuable than Tua), and I am good with the list. I get it if someone has C-Mac in there.
There are two guys who have no business being on that list.
 
Looks like Mahomes is now the Vegas favorite, as he should be.

The top 5 favorites right now are:

1 Mahomes (15 total touchdowns, 6 turnovers)
2 Tua (15 total touchdowns, 7 turnovers)
3 Hurts (15 total touchdowns, 10 turnovers)
4 Lamar (13 total touchdowns, 8 turnovers)
5 Josh Allen (18 total touchdowns, 9 turnovers)

Personally, swap out Tua with Tyreek in the same spot (I feel Hill is easily more valuable than Tua), and I am good with the list. I get it if someone has C-Mac in there.
There are two guys who have no business being on that list.
You really gonna' make us guess here?
 
Looks like Mahomes is now the Vegas favorite, as he should be.

The top 5 favorites right now are:

1 Mahomes (15 total touchdowns, 6 turnovers)
2 Tua (15 total touchdowns, 7 turnovers)
3 Hurts (15 total touchdowns, 10 turnovers)
4 Lamar (13 total touchdowns, 8 turnovers)
5 Josh Allen (18 total touchdowns, 9 turnovers)

Personally, swap out Tua with Tyreek in the same spot (I feel Hill is easily more valuable than Tua), and I am good with the list. I get it if someone has C-Mac in there.
There are two guys who have no business being on that list.
You really gonna' make us guess here?
Allen is one for sure, not sure the other, Tua? No way Tua wins with Tyreek out there running all over the field doing Tyreek things.
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
 
Guys - there is only one consideration for this award and it's Aaron Rodgers.

The Jets are completely hopeless without him. If the current Jets fiasco going on right now isn't proof enough that Rodgers is the MVP, then they should just throw out the award altogether.

:whistle:
 
Looks like Mahomes is now the Vegas favorite, as he should be.

The top 5 favorites right now are:

1 Mahomes (15 total touchdowns, 6 turnovers)
2 Tua (15 total touchdowns, 7 turnovers)
3 Hurts (15 total touchdowns, 10 turnovers)
4 Lamar (13 total touchdowns, 8 turnovers)
5 Josh Allen (18 total touchdowns, 9 turnovers)

Personally, swap out Tua with Tyreek in the same spot (I feel Hill is easily more valuable than Tua), and I am good with the list. I get it if someone has C-Mac in there.
There are two guys who have no business being on that list.
I think there are approximately four billion guys who have no business being on that list, but what do I know. Oh, you mean two guys on that list who have no business being on that list? Which two?
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
Allen definitely. The Bills aren't even that good.
 
Doing what he is doing with basically Kelce and bunch of us posters is impressive

It seems crazy to me that Tyreek is not even one of the betting favorites right now in Vegas for this

Hopefully lining up for a non QB to win it.
We do this every year. People argue for non QB's to win it (and i'm not saying they SHOULDN'T, but they won't). People argue for guys like Rodgers or Luck to win it because their teams are sucking without them. We go in circles determining what most "valuable" means.

All that matters is what matters to the voters. Good stats, one of the top team records in the league, and 95% chance it's going to be a QB.
 
Doing what he is doing with basically Kelce and bunch of us posters is impressive

It seems crazy to me that Tyreek is not even one of the betting favorites right now in Vegas for this

Hopefully lining up for a non QB to win it.
We do this every year. People argue for non QB's to win it (and i'm not saying they SHOULDN'T, but they won't). People argue for guys like Rodgers or Luck to win it because their teams are sucking without them. We go in circles determining what most "valuable" means.

All that matters is what matters to the voters. Good stats, one of the top team records in the league, and 95% chance it's going to be a QB.
Yep. I think offensively the only player with any chance would be Hill. He would have to hit 2000 yards and 20 TDs. Let's roll. Ha ha
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
1-2 will play themselves out of it, probably Allen.
 
Doing what he is doing with basically Kelce and bunch of us posters is impressive

It seems crazy to me that Tyreek is not even one of the betting favorites right now in Vegas for this

Hopefully lining up for a non QB to win it.
We do this every year. People argue for non QB's to win it (and i'm not saying they SHOULDN'T, but they won't). People argue for guys like Rodgers or Luck to win it because their teams are sucking without them. We go in circles determining what most "valuable" means.

All that matters is what matters to the voters. Good stats, one of the top team records in the league, and 95% chance it's going to be a QB.
Yep. I think offensively the only player with any chance would be Hill. He would have to hit 2000 yards and 20 TDs. Let's roll. Ha ha
if Kupp couldn’t win it, I have no hope for the award.
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
1-2 will play themselves out of it, probably Allen.

I don't think Goff will play himself into it. Dak has better numbers than Goff and Dak is staring at the Giants, Carolina, Washington and Seattle the rest of the month of November. He's going to go on a tear and really put up some numbers going into December.
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
1-2 will play themselves out of it, probably Allen.
I'd argue Allen is probably the one most important to his team of that group.

Replace Allen with an average starting QB (let's say Derek Carr) and I think Buffalo is the worst team in the AFC.
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
1-2 will play themselves out of it, probably Allen.
I'd argue Allen is probably the one most important to his team of that group.

Replace Allen with an average starting QB (let's say Derek Carr) and I think Buffalo is the worst team in the AFC.
That is probably true, but with the Bills at 5-4 and a very difficult schedule down the stretch, they will be lucky to make the playoffs, and it is hard to see them giving it to a QB on a non-playoff team.
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
1-2 will play themselves out of it, probably Allen.
I'd argue Allen is probably the one most important to his team of that group.

Replace Allen with an average starting QB (let's say Derek Carr) and I think Buffalo is the worst team in the AFC.
The Lions have had 70 years of Derek Carr types.
 
How isn’t Goff in the top five? Good chance the Lions finish with 12-13 wins.

Goff: 2174 yds, 68.3% completion, 12 TDs, 5 INT; rushing: 18-13-2

Hurts: 2347 yds, 68.9%, 15 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 88-316-7
Mahomes: 2442 yds, 68.6%, 17 TDs, 8 INT; rushing: 42-258-0
Tua: 2609 yds, 69.5%, 19 TDs, 7 INT; rushing: 23-33-0
Lamar: 1915 yds, 71.5%, 9 TDs, 3 INT; rushing: 84-440-5
Allen: 2423 yds, 71.3%, 18 TDs, 9 INT; rushing: 44-233-6

Who you taking off?
1-2 will play themselves out of it, probably Allen.
I'd argue Allen is probably the one most important to his team of that group.

Replace Allen with an average starting QB (let's say Derek Carr) and I think Buffalo is the worst team in the AFC.
The Lions have had 70 years of Derek Carr types.
I'd argue that's being pretty mean to Derek Carr.
 
If we gave it out now, it's Lamar. Hurts and Mahomes are in striking distance. A darkhorse would be Tyreek but a non-QB seems unlikely. Tyreek is likely just competing for OPOTY.
 
If we gave it out now, it's Lamar. Hurts and Mahomes are in striking distance. A darkhorse would be Tyreek but a non-QB seems unlikely. Tyreek is likely just competing for OPOTY.
My vote right now would be CMac. Consistency is another level of amazing.
If Lamar were truly an MVP, he would have won the game against a Browns team that has nowhere near the talent of the Ravens. Until he comes up big in big games, he's not an MVP.
 
Hurts and Mahomes are a deadlock in terms of Vegas odds right now. Winner Monday night probably will get a boost to take the top betting spot.
 
Mahomes doesn't deserve it. He's having just enough of a sub-par (for him) year that it opens the door for probably Hurts if the Eagles keep winning.

I see Stroud winning rookie of the year for sure. But if I was ranking them right now, I go:

1. Hurts
2. Stroud
3. Lamar
4. Mahomes

Tyreek could very well get it also.
 
I don't think it should matter that Mahomes is having a subpar year by his standards, but voters can be really dumb, so it could matter. I do think if the Monday night game is a shootout and both QBs play well, the winning QB goes to the front of the line.

Stroud has been great, but remember that the Texans still only 5-4, and to be the MVP as a rookie, you probably have the run laps around the field AND see your team finish at the top of the conference.
 
I don't think it should matter that Mahomes is having a subpar year by his standards, but voters can be really dumb, so it could matter. I do think if the Monday night game is a shootout and both QBs play well, the winning QB goes to the front of the line.

Stroud has been great, but remember that the Texans still only 5-4, and to be the MVP as a rookie, you probably have the run laps around the field AND see your team finish at the top of the conference.
And not lose to Bryce Young.
 
I'm still sticking with Goff personally.

I'd love to make an argument for Tyreek, but that ain't happening. If Rice couldn't win in 1987, no WR is gonna.
 
across the board qb numbers are subpar comparatively to recent qb mvp numbers.

If there’s ever a year a non qb should win it it is this year.

Jalen hurts as the mvp favorite?? 15/8 not top 5 in qbr 6 tush push 1 yard td plunges just isn’t doing it.
 
I am not saying he has a chance, but Stroud has been carrying his team. No running game till last week, this is NOT the Jets D. It's been him. And maybe Tank Dell and Nico Collins just happen to be true Pro Bowl caliber players. Or maybe they are lucky enough to play with him.

And beating CIN on the road when everyone was talking the Bengals up without Nico Collins was a statement win. That game should mean he's in the mix.
 
1. Stroud
2. Tyreek
3. Maxx Crosby

If this is award is who is carrying their team the most. If it's who is the best player in the NFL this season, then it's a coin flip between The Freak and Maxx.
 
Assume nothing drastic changes it's Stroud's to lose.
Huh? He's like 6th in odds... if you think he wins the award if he keeps up this play, You'd win a boatload of money.

I am not debating what he's done, but I would be SHOCKED if he won the award, and you seem to think it's his to lose?
 
I am not saying he has a chance, but Stroud has been carrying his team. No running game till last week, this is NOT the Jets D. It's been him. And maybe Tank Dell and Nico Collins just happen to be true Pro Bowl caliber players. Or maybe they are lucky enough to play with him.

And beating CIN on the road when everyone was talking the Bengals up without Nico Collins was a statement win. That game should mean he's in the mix.
Stroud has been great, but his team is only 5-4 and they did lose to the terrible Panthers a few weeks ago. Just offering a counterpoint. I have no issues with him being in the convo, but I don't see him as a frontrunner at this time.
 
Assume nothing drastic changes it's Stroud's to lose.
Huh? He's like 6th in odds... if you think he wins the award if he keeps up this play, You'd win a boatload of money.

I am not debating what he's done, but I would be SHOCKED if he won the award, and you seem to think it's his to lose?
Yes it's his to lose right this moment. Same people who are shocked when I said they could win the division.
Odds doesn't equate who will win it's based on getting people to put down $. If he was 1st in odds nobody would be putting money down. Go look at his odds a month ago and see the dramatic change is more telling. If you are SHOCKED then tell me your lock for MVP right now. There isn't one or the odds of one player would reflect that.
 
Burrow is done so Stroud has to move to #5. A month or so ago believe he was +20,000 now +2000.
If the Ravens continue to allow Lamar to run I don't see him lasting entire season.
Miami can't beat winning teams, that will have to change for Tua to have a shot. I don't see that happening.
Mahomes needs to get much better plus he's won it before so higher expectations are put on him.
Already have some $ on Stroud but I'd throw some money on Hurts given his prior year and could have won it as a hedge.


 
I am not saying he has a chance, but Stroud has been carrying his team. No running game till last week, this is NOT the Jets D. It's been him. And maybe Tank Dell and Nico Collins just happen to be true Pro Bowl caliber players. Or maybe they are lucky enough to play with him.

And beating CIN on the road when everyone was talking the Bengals up without Nico Collins was a statement win. That game should mean he's in the mix.
Stroud has been great, but his team is only 5-4 and they did lose to the terrible Panthers a few weeks ago. Just offering a counterpoint. I have no issues with him being in the convo, but I don't see him as a frontrunner at this time.
5-4 is better than Bengals team week ago when Burrow was getting the MVP hype. I'm not saying bet your entire savings FYI. He could get hurt, they could falter but I don't see it. He's one of the few QB right now who doesn't make the same mistake twice and expect them to win the division. They've already beat the Jags once. Tua is tied for 3rd MVP and Dolphins haven't beaten anyone and blown out vs good teams. I don't expect Stroud to have a bad game against a bad team like Panthers going forward but I could be wrong.
 
I am not saying he has a chance, but Stroud has been carrying his team. No running game till last week, this is NOT the Jets D. It's been him. And maybe Tank Dell and Nico Collins just happen to be true Pro Bowl caliber players. Or maybe they are lucky enough to play with him.

And beating CIN on the road when everyone was talking the Bengals up without Nico Collins was a statement win. That game should mean he's in the mix.
Stroud has been great, but his team is only 5-4 and they did lose to the terrible Panthers a few weeks ago. Just offering a counterpoint. I have no issues with him being in the convo, but I don't see him as a frontrunner at this time.
5-4 is better than Bengals team week ago when Burrow was getting the MVP hype. I'm not saying bet your entire savings FYI. He could get hurt, they could falter but I don't see it. He's one of the few QB right now who doesn't make the same mistake twice and expect them to win the division. They've already beat the Jags once. Tua is tied for 3rd MVP and Dolphins haven't beaten anyone and blown out vs good teams. I don't expect Stroud to have a bad game against a bad team like Panthers going forward but I could be wrong.
Fair points, but Burrow was an MVP contender at 5-4 a week ago because he is a proven NFL commodity at QB (despite never being an MVP before); Stroud is not as of yet. I think to have a realistic shot, the Texans will have to win their division and Stroud will have to keep balling out. And they have a shot at that division since they are only a game back of the Jags and already won their first game with them at Jacksonville.
 
I am not saying he has a chance, but Stroud has been carrying his team. No running game till last week, this is NOT the Jets D. It's been him. And maybe Tank Dell and Nico Collins just happen to be true Pro Bowl caliber players. Or maybe they are lucky enough to play with him.

And beating CIN on the road when everyone was talking the Bengals up without Nico Collins was a statement win. That game should mean he's in the mix.
Stroud has been great, but his team is only 5-4 and they did lose to the terrible Panthers a few weeks ago. Just offering a counterpoint. I have no issues with him being in the convo, but I don't see him as a frontrunner at this time.
5-4 is better than Bengals team week ago when Burrow was getting the MVP hype. I'm not saying bet your entire savings FYI. He could get hurt, they could falter but I don't see it. He's one of the few QB right now who doesn't make the same mistake twice and expect them to win the division. They've already beat the Jags once. Tua is tied for 3rd MVP and Dolphins haven't beaten anyone and blown out vs good teams. I don't expect Stroud to have a bad game against a bad team like Panthers going forward but I could be wrong.
Fair points, but Burrow was an MVP contender at 5-4 a week ago because he is a proven NFL commodity at QB (despite never being an MVP before); Stroud is not as of yet. I think to have a realistic shot, the Texans will have to win their division and Stroud will have to keep balling out. And they have a shot at that division since they are only a game back of the Jags and already won their first game with them at Jacksonville.
That's been my beef even a few weeks ago when Stroud should at least get some MVP votes. The only reason everyone said he would not get any votes was he's a rookie. NOW after the Bengals win and outplayed Burrow it's yes he will get some votes but he has to win the division. That's a huge jump in a few weeks from no chance he's a rookie to sure but any shot has to win division. I think that will happen. If MVP is based off prior years not this year then yes Stroud has no shot. Hedge some $ on Hurts. I'm not talking about throwing down your life savings either. If you put Stroud's numbers on Hurts or Mahomes they would be the lock at this point.
 
With Houston’s remaining schedule, I think there is a decent shot they win the division. But if they don’t, there is a good chance that they miss the playoffs. Only 2 times in the history of the league has the MVP gone to a player whose team didn’t make the playoffs.
 
With Houston’s remaining schedule, I think there is a decent shot they win the division. But if they don’t, there is a good chance that they miss the playoffs. Only 2 times in the history of the league has the MVP gone to a player whose team didn’t make the playoffs.
Think winning their division is their easiest way to get in. Even when they were one of the worst teams they always beat the Jags so next week playing them second time will be huge. Worried about a sneaky Colts team.
 
Assume nothing drastic changes it's Stroud's to lose.
Huh? He's like 6th in odds... if you think he wins the award if he keeps up this play, You'd win a boatload of money.

I am not debating what he's done, but I would be SHOCKED if he won the award, and you seem to think it's his to lose?
Yes it's his to lose right this moment. Same people who are shocked when I said they could win the division.
Odds doesn't equate who will win it's based on getting people to put down $. If he was 1st in odds nobody would be putting money down. Go look at his odds a month ago and see the dramatic change is more telling. If you are SHOCKED then tell me your lock for MVP right now. There isn't one or the odds of one player would reflect that.
I never said there was a lock. And again I'm not arguing who SHOULD win.

Mahomes and Hurts have the clear lead over everyone else right now. If the vote was today, I see no chance that the current voters would choose Stroud as league MVP.

It's not remotely "Stroud's to lose".

Your odds logic is out to lunch. If Stroud was 1st in odds, EVERYONE would be throwing money on Mahomes or Hurts. And you're saying "if there was a lock for MVP the odds would reflect that"... you're saying odds are valuable but also not valuable. Can't argue both sides of the coin.

I don't think you grasp (not meaning this as an insult) how the voters vote, but there is no chance Stroud is #1 in those voters' minds right now.
 
Unless and until the voters move off of "MVP = the QB from one of the Top 2-3 teams based on the team's record," that usually eliminates most of the people getting consideration. There doesn't appear to be another QB lapping the field by putting up record-breaking numbers, and there isn't a RB in that category either. Tyreek could set a receiving yardage record, but Kupp barely got any voting consideration a couple of years ago and put up insane receiving totals. If PHI / KC / DET have very few losses, then the MVP stands to be one of Hurts / Mahomes / Goff (even if it doesn't really seem like that QB deserves it). If those teams fall back to the back some, that opens things up for QBs from that next tier of winning teams (for example, Tua or Lamar). IMO, the only non-QB that is even worth mentioning is Hill, but he seems more like an Offensive Player of the Year guy than MVP.
 

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