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2023 NFL MVP race (2 Viewers)

QB's are more underwhelming then usual, but you can make a case for any of Purdy, Prescott, Hurts, or Tua imo. Ironically Mahomes seems to be the one player who misses out regardless of criteria. McCaffery and Hill should get looks, but unless they hit 2k I doubt it.
 
I'd like Josh Dobbs to be in the discussion but usually greatness is a prerequisite.
In my opinion he held down the fort for three franchises this calendar year
A bad ref call away from the Titans being in playoffs
Arizona "had a season" when it looked grim
Somehow Vikings play well without their superstar WR or their main back for the last several years.

This guy that's probably paid relative peanuts needs to get his due and deserves to get paid and lead a team in 2024.

Whatever needed to be earned or proven he has and people are commonly still talking of him as a future backup.

I don't want or expect him to win I just figure if people would talk of his value, he'd get a team in 2024
 
I'd vote Stroud or Purdy

I can't stand how pathetic some offenses are that they stink without their main guy at QB- it defies so many common concepts in sports. Nonetheless, all this dysfunction makes these two shine brighter by contrast
 
TJ Watt won’t win it but worth a mention.

The Steelers who stink imo are 6-4. They’re probably 3-7 without him.
 
I'd like Josh Dobbs to be in the discussion but usually greatness is a prerequisite.
In my opinion he held down the fort for three franchises this calendar year
A bad ref call away from the Titans being in playoffs
Arizona "had a season" when it looked grim
Somehow Vikings play well without their superstar WR or their main back for the last several years.

This guy that's probably paid relative peanuts needs to get his due and deserves to get paid and lead a team in 2024.

Whatever needed to be earned or proven he has and people are commonly still talking of him as a future backup.

I don't want or expect him to win I just figure if people would talk of his value, he'd get a team in 2024
Yeah, that 1-7 record as a starter this year was really something else and definitely worthy of putting him in the discussion.
 
QB's are more underwhelming then usual, but you can make a case for any of Purdy, Prescott, Hurts, or Tua imo. Ironically Mahomes seems to be the one player who misses out regardless of criteria. McCaffery and Hill should get looks, but unless they hit 2k I doubt it.
Tua? **** no....
 
Another 100 yard game for Tyreek. If he becomes the first NFL wr to hit 2000 yards he at least has a chance in the court of law. He has 10 tds, I think he needs to hit 20 for the case. 10 in 6 games would be tough though.
 
Bland won't win, but he should be in the discussion.
For MVP? He isn’t even a top-10 defensive player.

Some Vegas lines have given him as high as the fourth best odds to win Defensive MVP.
Sounds like they think he might be a top 10 player.
But what do they know?

ll odds are from DraftKings Sportsbook.

  1. Myles Garrett (+110)
  2. Micah Parsons (+200)
  3. T.J. Watt (+350)
  4. DaRon Bland (+1500)
  5. Nick Bosa/Chris Jones/Maxx Crosby (+2500)
 
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Bland won't win, but he should be in the discussion.
For MVP? He isn’t even a top-10 defensive player.

Some Vegas lines have given him as high as the fourth best odds to win Defensive MVP.
Sounds like they think he might be a top 10 player.
But what do they know?

ll odds are from DraftKings Sportsbook.

  1. Myles Garrett (+110)
  2. Micah Parsons (+200)
  3. T.J. Watt (+350)
  4. DaRon Bland (+1500)
  5. Nick Bosa/Chris Jones/Maxx Crosby (+2500)
They think he has top-5 odds to win is NOT the same thing as declaring him a top-5 defensive player. But you already know that.
 
Unless and until the voters move off of "MVP = the QB from one of the Top 2-3 teams based on the team's record," that usually eliminates most of the people getting consideration. There doesn't appear to be another QB lapping the field by putting up record-breaking numbers, and there isn't a RB in that category either. Tyreek could set a receiving yardage record, but Kupp barely got any voting consideration a couple of years ago and put up insane receiving totals. If PHI / KC / DET have very few losses, then the MVP stands to be one of Hurts / Mahomes / Goff (even if it doesn't really seem like that QB deserves it). If those teams fall back to the back some, that opens things up for QBs from that next tier of winning teams (for example, Tua or Lamar). IMO, the only non-QB that is even worth mentioning is Hill, but he seems more like an Offensive Player of the Year guy than MVP.
The better debate may be Hill vs McCaffery for OPOY.
 
Myles
Hill
McCaffrey

That SHOULD be the top 3, if the NFL didn't have a fetish for glugging off their QBs. Not a single QB deserves MVP this season. Not one of them is carrying their team anywhere. Simple as that.
If any were, it’s Hurts. As a whole this season, you’re correct.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
 
Bland won't win, but he should be in the discussion.
For MVP? He isn’t even a top-10 defensive player.

Some Vegas lines have given him as high as the fourth best odds to win Defensive MVP.
Sounds like they think he might be a top 10 player.
But what do they know?

ll odds are from DraftKings Sportsbook.

  1. Myles Garrett (+110)
  2. Micah Parsons (+200)
  3. T.J. Watt (+350)
  4. DaRon Bland (+1500)
  5. Nick Bosa/Chris Jones/Maxx Crosby (+2500)
They think he has top-5 odds to win is NOT the same thing as declaring him a top-5 defensive player. But you already know that.

You said, "For MVP?"
That seemed to me that you were questioning that he was even in the discussion.
I was pointing out that he was very much in the discussion.
But you already know that.
 
Feels like Hurts took a decent sized lead after today. He was awful in the 1st half, but came up huge with they needed it. Take him off this team and they'd be lucky to be .500.
 
Newest Odds:

Jalen Hurts (+140)
Lamar Jackson (+350)
Patrick Mahomes (+350)
Tua Tagovailoa (+700)
Dak Prescott (+900)
Christian McCaffrey (16/1)
C.J. Stroud (17/1)
Brock Purdy (17/1)
Trevor Lawrence (28/1
)Josh Allen (30/1)
Tyreek Hill (40/1)
 
Feels like Hurts took a decent sized lead after today. He was awful in the 1st half, but came up huge with they needed it. Take him off this team and they'd be lucky to be .500.
And Mahomes? Stroud? Hill?

We can make cases for a lot of guys.
 
Feels like Hurts took a decent sized lead after today. He was awful in the 1st half, but came up huge with they needed it. Take him off this team and they'd be lucky to be .500.
And Mahomes? Stroud? Hill?

We can make cases for a lot of guys.
Hill would still be my pick, but I just don't see them giving it to him. If Kupp didn't get a real shot two years ago, Hill isn't this year.

It will go to a QB. And I don't see how any QB has a better case than Hurts. Mahomes has had too many blah games this year and there is the "impression" that he is having a down year, so he will be a victim of his own greatness in that regard. Stroud has been great, but I think the Texans needed to win today and then win the division to have a realistic chance, but they lost. He isn't even among the betting favorites right now. I don't consider Tua a serious candidate (regardless of what the odds say). Many are getting on the Dak bandwagon, but lighting up bad teams and losing to every good team does not an MVP make.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
I still wouldn't vote for Hurts. He wasn't the best QB on the field today.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
I still wouldn't vote for Hurts. He wasn't the best QB on the field today.
He was amazing in the 2nd half and his team has 1 loss (arguably because he has been the most clutch QB in the game). I don't necessarily believe that Hurts is the best QB in football but I would have zero issues with him winning the MVP this year. At this point, I think it's pretty much moot.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
I still wouldn't vote for Hurts. He wasn't the best QB on the field today.
But Josh isn't an MVP candidate as his team is 6-6.

Which QB would you give it to right now? (since you know darn well it is going to go to a QB)
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
I still wouldn't vote for Hurts. He wasn't the best QB on the field today.

I’m sure Josh will take great solace in knowing he was the better player on the losing team again. It’s just never his fault. Also saying Hurts isn’t playing as well as last year is possibly not correct but also doesn’t matter. He’s not competing against last years crop of candidates. He just needs to be better than the 2023 options. Also, his stats aren’t as efficient as last year but the defense isn’t as good either and he’s had to make way more clutch plays with the game on the line against a very tough schedule. Last year their scheduled was cake and they were able to be front runners every week.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
I still wouldn't vote for Hurts. He wasn't the best QB on the field today.

I’m sure Josh will take great solace in knowing he was the better player on the losing team again. It’s just never his fault. Also saying Hurts isn’t playing as well as last year is possibly not correct but also doesn’t matter. He’s not competing against last years crop of candidates. He just needs to be better than the 2023 options. Also, his stats aren’t as efficient as last year but the defense isn’t as good either and he’s had to make way more clutch plays with the game on the line against a very tough schedule. Last year their scheduled was cake and they were able to be front runners every week.
Yep, if it has to be a QB, I don't see how any other QB has a case over Hurts, who now has 29 total touchdowns for a 10-1 team that has four wins over teams with a winning record (vs 0 for Dak Prescott for example). Plus, the Brotherly Shove, love it or hate it, is the most unstoppable play in football right now, and who is the main reason it works? Jalen Hurts. Not saying "he does a gimmick play the best, give him the MVP," just that when you add that to everything else, it equals MVP for Hurts this year, I think.
 
Hurts is on pace for 4800 combined passing and rushing yards with 45 combined TD. If the Eagles end up with 15 or 16 wins (admittedly that’s no sure thing), I don’t think the balloting would be all that close. Cam Newton received 48 of 50 MVP votes posting 4473/45 combined on a 15-win Panthers team. But there’s plenty of football still to play. PHI plays SF and DAL the next two weeks, and losses in those games would change the landscape.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
I still wouldn't vote for Hurts. He wasn't the best QB on the field today.
But Josh isn't an MVP candidate as his team is 6-6.

Which QB would you give it to right now? (since you know darn well it is going to go to a QB)
Right now I'd say Dak. He had the meltdown against SF but has been elite otherwise.
Hurts is on pace for 4800 combined passing and rushing yards with 45 combined TD. If the Eagles end up with 15 or 16 wins (admittedly that’s no sure thing), I don’t think the balloting would be all that close. Cam Newton received 48 of 50 MVP votes posting 4473/45 combined on a 15-win Panthers team. But there’s plenty of football still to play. PHI plays SF and DAL the next two weeks, and losses in those games would change the landscape.
I hated Newton winning it that year. I thought Brady should have gotten it, but there was a lot of anti-Brady sentiment due to the deflated football propaganda, and I think wanting to give it to someone new.
 
Hurts is on pace for 4800 combined passing and rushing yards with 45 combined TD. If the Eagles end up with 15 or 16 wins (admittedly that’s no sure thing), I don’t think the balloting would be all that close. Cam Newton received 48 of 50 MVP votes posting 4473/45 combined on a 15-win Panthers team. But there’s plenty of football still to play. PHI plays SF and DAL the next two weeks, and losses in those games would change the landscape.
This
 
If Tyreek breaks 2,000 yards they have to give it to him
Prior to last year, here were all the WR that earned at least 10 MVP votes in a season in the SB era.

1995 - Rice (10 votes, finished 2nd)
1993 - Rice (15 votes, finished 3rd)
1987 - Rice (30 votes, finished 2nd) (22 TD in 12 games)
1971 - Otis Taylor (10 votes, finished 3rd)

They changed the voting process last year so people could vote for more than one player. Jefferson netted 55 points and finished 5th but had no first place votes.

Hill is having a great season, but historically voters are not swayed to vote for WR. Hill will likely earn the OPOY award, but other teams and QBs would really have to falter the rest of the way and MIA would need to start hanging 50 points on the board again and win out for Hill to get much consideration for MVP.
 
In the past 20 years, 3 RBs have won it. A WR has never won it. I think it’s likely going to Hurts this year barring an unlikely collapse. Dak probably has a shot if the Cowboys keep winning and he keeps playing like a stud.
 
Hurts was crazy clutch in that game yesterday, all the props in the world to him for leading that comeback. But if Elliott had missed the kick at the end of regulation, all anyone would say about Hurts was that he had a horrible first half and dug a giant hole and he turns the ball over too much. And his stats will be padded with an extra 12-15 TDs this year from the Brotherly Shove. I know, Philly fans are gonna scream that he can squat a zillion pounds so nobody can run the Tush Push but him because he's so star-spangled awesome and strong, I get it. But on any other offense in the league, Swift gets those TDs, not Jalen.
 
In the past 20 years, 3 RBs have won it. A WR has never won it. I think it’s likely going to Hurts this year barring an unlikely collapse. Dak probably has a shot if the Cowboys keep winning and he keeps playing like a stud.

In the past 20 years, 3 RBs have won it. A WR has never won it. I think it’s likely going to Hurts this year barring an unlikely collapse. Dak probably has a shot if the Cowboys keep winning and he keeps playing like a stud.
41 years ago a kicker won the MVP. Maybe it's time a kicker won it again. I nominate Dustin Hopkins who is averaging a full point more than any other kicker. He's gone 28/31 on FG attempts including 7/7 on FG's over 50 yards.
 
Hurts / Dak are likely in the discussion and if the Cowboys hang a big number on the Eagles with Dak leading the way I think the winds will shift there. Lamar, while crappy as a fantasy QB this year may get some love bc of the Ravens record.

Hill at 2K would deserve it and likely will finish second or third in the voting. I think Tua has no shot bc Hill will absorb most of his possible votes. Hill likely gets OPOY as his consolation prize for 2K receiving (assuming he gets there)

Stroud deserves some mention as well, but he has OROY locked up so it will tarnish his chances (but he will likely finish 4th or 5th in the MVP vote)

Edit to add: Hill, Like Megatron are completely different beings when it comes to the WR position. Perhaps being the fastest guy in the NFL and how bad Mahomes has looked this year without Hill may change the narrative in Hill's case for MVP
 
Hurts was crazy clutch in that game yesterday, all the props in the world to him for leading that comeback. But if Elliott had missed the kick at the end of regulation, all anyone would say about Hurts was that he had a horrible first half and dug a giant hole and he turns the ball over too much. And his stats will be padded with an extra 12-15 TDs this year from the Brotherly Shove. I know, Philly fans are gonna scream that he can squat a zillion pounds so nobody can run the Tush Push but him because he's so star-spangled awesome and strong, I get it. But on any other offense in the league, Swift gets those TDs, not Jalen.

Nah, Hurts sneaking from the 1 is still a very high % play even if nobody is doing any tushin' pushin', he'd still get many of those.
 
Hurts feels like a strange choice to me. The main (only?) case for him is that he's the QB for the team with the best record. He was better in 2022, and I would also argue AJ Brown is more deserving just on the Eagles.
You still feel this way? Wins over Bills and Chiefs, AJ has a combined 6/45/1. Meanwhile Hurts has 7 TDs.
How many TDs does Stroud have? Speaking of which another record broken first QB ever to throw for over 300 yards 4 games in a row. Never been done history of the NFL.
 
Stroud on his way to having most passing yards best TD/INT highest average per pass and yards per game. No other QB has played like Stroud so far this season. Only reason he won’t win it is because he’s a rookie even though he’s clearly MVP.
 
Stroud is out of the running due to the Texans not being a complete team yet. Individually his accomplishments should have him in the running but it's still not even a lock the Texans make the playoffs as losing against JAX probably cost them the division.

Hurts to lose now. Dak may have a shot if they beat Philly in week 14 and can finish strong against some remaining tough opponents. Mahomes has a pretty easy schedule remaining, maybe if the Chiefs can unlock some offense and their WR's catch passes again he can have a strong back half surge to at least make it interesting (my fantasy teams with him could certainly use it!)
 
Stroud is out of the running due to the Texans not being a complete team yet. Individually his accomplishments should have him in the running but it's still not even a lock the Texans make the playoffs as losing against JAX probably cost them the division.

Hurts to lose now. Dak may have a shot if they beat Philly in week 14 and can finish strong against some remaining tough opponents. Mahomes has a pretty easy schedule remaining, maybe if the Chiefs can unlock some offense and their WR's catch passes again he can have a strong back half surge to at least make it interesting (my fantasy teams with him could certainly use it!)
Nah Texans are complete enough plus MVP isn’t based off that and Jags barely beat them while Texans blew them out. Agree if they make the playoffs then agree he’s in it even more. Hurts will have double digit turnovers by end of year easily. He’s an int machine 500 less passing yards and inferior statistically. He could get it more since he should have won it last year. Unlike Stroud he’s not the main reason for their record. As a QB he’s not better than Stroud so far this year. Ditto with Dak. That said won’t be surprised if MVP goes to one of them but not because they are the actual MVP.
 
Stroud is out of the running due to the Texans not being a complete team yet. Individually his accomplishments should have him in the running but it's still not even a lock the Texans make the playoffs as losing against JAX probably cost them the division.

Hurts to lose now. Dak may have a shot if they beat Philly in week 14 and can finish strong against some remaining tough opponents. Mahomes has a pretty easy schedule remaining, maybe if the Chiefs can unlock some offense and their WR's catch passes again he can have a strong back half surge to at least make it interesting (my fantasy teams with him could certainly use it!)
Nah Texans are complete enough plus MVP isn’t based off that and Jags barely beat them while Texans blew them out. Agree if they make the playoffs then agree he’s in it even more. Hurts will have double digit turnovers by end of year easily. He’s an int machine 500 less passing yards and inferior statistically. He could get it more since he should have won it last year. Unlike Stroud he’s not the main reason for their record. As a QB he’s not better than Stroud so far this year. Ditto with Dak. That said won’t be surprised if MVP goes to one of them but not because they are the actual MVP.
He has zero chance if the Texans don't make the playoffs, the winner is the QB on a playoff team with the best record like 9 times out of 10.
 
In the past 20 years, 3 RBs have won it. A WR has never won it. I think it’s likely going to Hurts this year barring an unlikely collapse. Dak probably has a shot if the Cowboys keep winning and he keeps playing like a stud.

In the past 20 years, 3 RBs have won it. A WR has never won it. I think it’s likely going to Hurts this year barring an unlikely collapse. Dak probably has a shot if the Cowboys keep winning and he keeps playing like a stud.
41 years ago a kicker won the MVP. Maybe it's time a kicker won it again. I nominate Dustin Hopkins who is averaging a full point more than any other kicker. He's gone 28/31 on FG attempts including 7/7 on FG's over 50 yards.
Moseley winning was one of the silliest grudges ever. He basically won because the voters got mad about the strike.

Real shame as that was Dan Fouts best season, and he deserved an MVP.
 

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