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2023 NFL MVP race (2 Viewers)
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Shanahanigans
Footballguy
Seems like Tyreek should be the obvious pick with no QBs having a spectacular year.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Brock Purdy just became the fourth quarterback in NFL history with a completion percentage of 70 or higher in seven consecutive games…
The others to do it:
Drew Brees (7) 2016
Sam Bradford (7) 2016
Joe Montana (8) 1989
The others to do it:
Drew Brees (7) 2016
Sam Bradford (7) 2016
Joe Montana (8) 1989
Todem
Footballguy
MVP
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup I think barring a miracle, the race has ended.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I have a hard time thinking the MVP race has ended after seeing Dak and the Dallas offense basically run over the Eagles, after seeing what Lamar is doing with what he has around him, and Tyreek is still in the hunt. Purdy played well today—but he led a stacked team against a “meh” Seahawks team that was missing its starting quarterback. Don’t get me wrong—I don’t think he did anything to lose his MVP contention today—but I also don’t think he solidified himself as a clear favorite. I’d argue that he’s the only MVP candidate this season where he’s arguably not even the most valuable player on his own team.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Looks like Dak to me if it’s a QB. Usually is
For who? Dak now leads the odds.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup. I still think Purdy ends up winning but it will be close.
ETA - I say that because of their respective schedules. But yeah it wouldn’t be a miracle for Dak (or even Jalen) to win it.
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FarFromHome
Footballguy
Dak. Purdy.
Tyreek
Tyreek
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Not taking a thing away from Purdy, been a cheerleader for him in his thread going back a couple months now. But regarding MVP, it is hard to overlook the games without Trent Williams and Deebo Samuel. I guess you could argue the defense is what lost them those games, especially against the Bengals, but their offense also just didn't look the same. I'd agree with a few others who said it now, despite the amazing season Purdy is having, I'd question if he's truly the MVP on his own team (guess it depends on how you define MVP). I look at MVP like who is the one guy that this team wouldn't survive without.
I think they have a greater likelihood of scraping by a similar amount of wins with a worse QB at the helm than they would without CMC or Deebo (or Williams for that matter, but obv. an offensive lineman wouldn't be in contention for MVP). The takeaway for SF in general I believe is that they are far and away the best all around team, on both sides of the ball. They have contributors everywhere, and it feels like each one of them is an integral piece of their success. As opposed to teams like the Chiefs, Bills, Dolphins, etc. who all really just lean on one guy to carry the entire load. Easier to pick that MVP when it's glaring, whereas on SF there are so many player performing at a very high level. I honestly think Fred Warner doesn't always get the props he deserves for being QB of that defense. He doesn't always get the tackle numbers as some other MLBs, but I'd have him as a top 3 guy at his position easily.
TLDR: please let Tyreek put up 160yrds tonight, fly past 2k yards, get 7 more TDs (landing him 3rd most all time in a season), bring the Dolphins to the SB, and win me $6k by winning MVP lol
I think they have a greater likelihood of scraping by a similar amount of wins with a worse QB at the helm than they would without CMC or Deebo (or Williams for that matter, but obv. an offensive lineman wouldn't be in contention for MVP). The takeaway for SF in general I believe is that they are far and away the best all around team, on both sides of the ball. They have contributors everywhere, and it feels like each one of them is an integral piece of their success. As opposed to teams like the Chiefs, Bills, Dolphins, etc. who all really just lean on one guy to carry the entire load. Easier to pick that MVP when it's glaring, whereas on SF there are so many player performing at a very high level. I honestly think Fred Warner doesn't always get the props he deserves for being QB of that defense. He doesn't always get the tackle numbers as some other MLBs, but I'd have him as a top 3 guy at his position easily.
TLDR: please let Tyreek put up 160yrds tonight, fly past 2k yards, get 7 more TDs (landing him 3rd most all time in a season), bring the Dolphins to the SB, and win me $6k by winning MVP lol
Todem
Footballguy
Hill has been extraordinary and I would love to see it....to me Purdy and Hill are my front runners.
A huge case can be made for Tyreek.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
A WR has never won it but this could be the year the stars align. I also wouldn’t mind Hill winning it but I’m rooting for Purdy (because I think he’s the best damn story in all of football).
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’d prefer he didn’t just completely embarrass the titans but after watching their DBs all season, Tyreek could double that tonight.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Maybe, but if Dak can keep rolling against 4 pretty good teams, that makes his case stronger imo.
Buffalo, Miami, Detroit and Washington are all very winnable games in which he’ll probably have to play well.
Week 16 at home against the ravens is Purdy’s best chance to shine.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Generally agree- but I’d have to slide Lamar in the mix as well. If they win out or lose maybe just 1 more game- he deserves to be in the convo imo
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Amazing that Dak is now the odd on favorite for MVP in Vegas. Before last night’s game he was around +300 on most sites, he is now around +150.
Todem
Footballguy
Agree the story of Purdy is amazing.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Did we not witness his value to the team in last year’s NFC Championship game? The rest of the team played in that game.
Agreed. Lamar deserves consideration.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
I’m a Cowboys fan and I’m pulling for Hill. Dude is just different than everyone else.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'd give Purdy the nod over Dak at this point (he has played far better against winning teams; Purdy was lights out against Dallas, Philly, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville), but I think the media will give it to Dak.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
If he's +150, then he's not the "odds on" favorite. He's just the favorite.
/pedantry
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Isn't it relative? He"s currently the favorite (with the best odds) based on everyone currently in contention.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
He's the favorite - that's what having the best odds means. He's not the odds on favorite, which would imply he's more likely than not to win (i.e. has American odds with a negative sign).
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Holy crap, didn’t think my post could ever be controversial.
Tua looks like Pooah without Hill. Totally exposed tonite.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. Even though his chances were small we can go ahead and eliminate Tyreek having a chance. Purdy has 3 should win games and Baltimore. Niners win out and Purdy plays well against Ravens he seems like the guy. Dak does have three tough games. He wins those and this is gonna be super close.
This elevates Hill IMO if he only misses tonite. Every Tua vote now going to Hill.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I could be wrong, but I just don't think the voting works like that for non QB choices. Just seems like for a RB or wr to win they need monster numbers. This missed game stats hurt. Imo
irish eyes
Footballguy
It was a joke even before Hill got hurt. Not sure how people don't see that. He may lose to the power house Titans. He's done NOTHING against teams with winning records.
Update? Because that was another Dak beatdown on a very good team. 8 INTs all year, leading in TD’s. No questions he’s leading the polls now.
Agreed. That's all I wanted to see and I'm a 49ers fan.
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
If the 9ers are the 1seed, and the Cowboys are the 3, it goes to Purdy if both QBs continue doing what they are doing. IMO
Hill out, Miami does nothing.
Hill in, Miami scores at will.
Clearly the MVP. I mean if you guys want to turn it into the QB on the team with the best record then have at it. Kupp proved you wrong two years ago and Hill will do the same this year.
Hill in, Miami scores at will.
Clearly the MVP. I mean if you guys want to turn it into the QB on the team with the best record then have at it. Kupp proved you wrong two years ago and Hill will do the same this year.
Wingnut
Footballguy
A little hostility there. Kupp didn't prove me wrong, I didn't have a dog in the fight.
Hill could absolutely win it. gotta see how it plays out.
So much for that.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
So you think that the Ravens would still be a decent offensive team with Lamar out? I would bet that Miami would be a more formidable team with Hill out than Baltimore would be with Lamar out over a course of 10+ games. Not saying that Hill shouldn’t be in the MVP discussion—I’m just saying that I think that your rationale in regards to HIll is very debatable with other players in the league. The Dolphins are one game better than the Chiefs right now. If you take Hill off of the Dolphins or Mahomes off of the Chiefs—I would bet that the Chiefs drop off far more and the offense sputters. I don’t think that Mahomes is in the top tier of MVP candidates right now—but with your rationale—I think you would have to consider him.
We didn't turn it into that, that's just often what it is.
Wait... How did Kupp prove us wrong? He got 1 vote out of 50 lol
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
There's a big difference between who I think is the most valuable player, and who I think will win the Most Valuable Player award. You bring up a great example, Kupp may very well have been the most valuable player in the NFL two years ago, but they gave the award to a QB anyway.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I agree that last night showed that Hill is 100 times more valuable than Tua (who is nothing more than average QB surrounded by elite talent/crazy speed), but since I don't see voters giving it to a WR, I just don't consider him a viable option at this point, unfair as that is.
It feels like a 2-horse race now between Dak and Purdy. Hurts has too many turnovers now, and neither Jackson nor Mahomes have the stats to really made a good case, even though their teams will likely end up near the top of the AFC seedings.
Realistically, if the Bills make the playoffs, Josh Allen is probably the best candidate, but he will have too many turnovers as well.
It feels like a 2-horse race now between Dak and Purdy. Hurts has too many turnovers now, and neither Jackson nor Mahomes have the stats to really made a good case, even though their teams will likely end up near the top of the AFC seedings.
Realistically, if the Bills make the playoffs, Josh Allen is probably the best candidate, but he will have too many turnovers as well.
He should have won. Dude gave the middle finger to voters and went apeshit in the playoffs, especially the Super Bowl.
