2023 NFL MVP race (2 Viewers)

[jobarules]

it's actually laughable at this point for anyone to say Purdy is more important than CMC.

I don't care about "he's a QB"... Most Valuable Player.

It isn't even remotely close.

You had me here

Purdy likely takes the award,

Which is why the NFL MVP award is basically a joke. Call it the most important QB award if that's all it is.

He isn't even top 10 most important players to his team.. Or top 20 probably.

You lost me here

Jimmy 2019 - 69%comp / 3978yds / 27tds / 13int / 102 rat

Purdy 2023 - 70%comp / 3796yds / 29tds / 7int / 119rat

Now, as a gentle reminder... Jimmy had Tevin Coleman at RB... Not CMC... Tevin! Rookie Deebo. No Aiyuk.

Nah.... Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy. Just simple facts

And now you've gone off the dep end

 

[jobarules]

Anybody who actually watches the games can clearly tell Purdy is WAAYYYYYYYYY more talented than Jimmy G. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt know a thing about football or is trolling.

 

[Wingnut]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

 

[Soulfly3]

And now you've gone off the dep end

Why? Purdy has a MUCH better offensive cast... Hell. most of his TDS are dump-offs to the best receving RB we've seen in god knows how long.

What's SO different between those stats that one is an MVP and one wasnt even part of the conversation?

ps: I'm not arguing who is the better player. I'm talking about the MVP award here.

eta: I meant most of his TDs, not yards.....

 

[jobarules]

And now you've gone off the dep end

Why? Purdy has a MUCH better offensive cast... Hell. most of his yards are dump-offs to the best receving RB we've seen in god knows how long.

What's SO different between those stats that one is an MVP and one wasnt even part of the conversation?

ps: I'm not arguing who is the better player. I'm talking about the MVP award here.

On the bolded, no they are not. Wingnut has provided the stats. You clearly don't watch him play. He also leads the league in Yards Per Attempt. Hard to do that if most of his yards are on dumpoffs.

Purdy LEADS the league in TD passes and Yards per Attempt and QB Rating. You are comparing to 16 games of stats from Jimmy G. You are definitely trolling.

 

[Wingnut]

most of his yards are dump-offs to the best receving RB we've seen in god knows how long

This statement has been destroyed all season long. It couldnt be further from the truth, and it shows you have zero clue what you're talking about.

It's ok, you're allowed to hate on Purdy and/or SF, but just know when you post things like this, nobody takes you serious.

 

[Soulfly3]

most of his yards are dump-offs to the best receving RB we've seen in god knows how long

This statement has been destroyed all season long. It couldnt be further from the truth, and it shows you have zero clue what you're talking about.

It's ok, you're allowed to hate on Purdy and/or SF, but just know when you post things like this, nobody takes you serious.

I edite dmy post before you both responded.... I meant TDs... But a good portion of yards, still.

And how am I hating on SF you ham? I'm calling CMC the MVP

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

MoP enjoys the Wingnut much of the time. I admire your allegiance to SF, one of the true fans around here, most of the time my Miami Dolphins fan-friends here want me to walk the plank because I'm pretty hard on the owner and I like to throw cold water on victories sometimes.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Happy to see Purdy doing well and if we are talking FF, he's Top 5 so I might laugh a lot with you.
But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

I just think you should acknowledge that when others debate you and it's why i haven't said much. I also have been busy being a Miami fan boy this year so forgive me if i haven't spoken up.
It's fun to laugh at people that pick your team apart, Miami is top 4 right now and in a showdown of #2 seeds in the AFC/NFC but we get no respect, NONE around here.
And I don't try and argue with folks about it, I'm just happy Miami is relevant right now.

 

[jobarules]

most of his yards are dump-offs to the best receving RB we've seen in god knows how long

This statement has been destroyed all season long. It couldnt be further from the truth, and it shows you have zero clue what you're talking about.

It's ok, you're allowed to hate on Purdy and/or SF, but just know when you post things like this, nobody takes you serious.

I edite dmy post before you both responded.... I meant TDs... But a good portion of yards, still.

And how am I hating on SF you ham? I'm calling CMC the MVP

Well most of his TDs arent dumpoffs to CMC

CMC has 7 receiving TDs and Purdy has 29 TD passes. So maybe you should edit it again.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Oh and Tyreek Hill is obviously the MVP, Miami doesn't look the same at all on Offense and if he cannot go vs Dallas, Miami will likely lose.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'll drop this and walk...

In terms of JUST qbs.... I'd rank them as (in order of most valuable to their team this season): Goff / Stroud / Purdy

Now, In terms of MVP.... Maybe 1 of those 3 are in my actual Top 10 MVP discussion. But yes, we know.... Voters slobber on QBs. Not my point.

 

[Spin]

Jimmy 2019 - 69%comp / 3978yds / 27tds / 13int / 102 rat

Purdy 2023 - 70%comp / 3796yds / 29tds / 7int / 119rat

Now, as a gentle reminder... Jimmy had Tevin Coleman at RB... Not CMC... Tevin! Rookie Deebo. No Aiyuk.

Nah.... Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy. Just simple facts

Tell me you don't watch any 49ers games without telling me you don't watch 49ers games. And also you're comparing Jimmy's entire 2019 season to 14 games of Purdy, let's see where he finishes.

 

[jobarules]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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Freaking clueless

 

[Soulfly3]

CMC has 7 receiving TDs and Purdy has 29 TD passes. So maybe you should edit it again.

c'mon man.. it's a FF forum, you know full well I'm not being literal. 25% of his passing TDs are to his RB.... twenty-five.

They still count. 100% absolutely. But you realize that's borderline insane, ya? CMC is not of this earth.

 

[jobarules]

CMC has 7 receiving TDs and Purdy has 29 TD passes. So maybe you should edit it again.

c'mon man.. it's a FF forum, you know full well I'm not being literal. 25% of his passing TDs are to his RB.... twenty-five.

They still count. 100% absolutely. But you realize that's borderline insane, ya? CMC is not of this earth.

I have no problem saying CMC is MVP.

 

[Soulfly3]

CMC has 7 receiving TDs and Purdy has 29 TD passes. So maybe you should edit it again.

c'mon man.. it's a FF forum, you know full well I'm not being literal. 25% of his passing TDs are to his RB.... twenty-five.

They still count. 100% absolutely. But you realize that's borderline insane, ya? CMC is not of this earth.

I have no problem saying CMC is MVP.

By a longshot. And there are others too... I'm not knocking Purdy (I own him). But cmon... MVP means something special. Purdy's numbers are not special. With the offense and defense and coaching of that team, I don't see special. I see very good.

 

[jobarules]

CMC has 7 receiving TDs and Purdy has 29 TD passes. So maybe you should edit it again.

c'mon man.. it's a FF forum, you know full well I'm not being literal. 25% of his passing TDs are to his RB.... twenty-five.

They still count. 100% absolutely. But you realize that's borderline insane, ya? CMC is not of this earth.

I have no problem saying CMC is MVP.

By a longshot. And there are others too... I'm not knocking Purdy (I own him). But cmon... MVP means something special. Purdy's numbers are not special. With the offense and defense and coaching of that team, I don't see special. I see very good.

His #s are special. He has the 4th highest QB Rating of all time. He leads the league in Y/A AND is 2nd in Completion %. That is SPECIAL. Now if you want to argue it is due to his surrounding cast. That's fine. I get it. His surrounding cast OBVIOUSLY helps. But to say his NUMBERS arent special is clearly a lie.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

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Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

 

[jobarules]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats | NFL Metrics | FantasyPros

View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

www.fantasypros.com

Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

 

[Wingnut]

i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Happy to see Purdy doing well and if we are talking FF, he's Top 5 so I might laugh a lot with you. But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

I just think you should acknowledge that when others debate you and it's why i haven't said much

I agree with most of this. I've never said Purdy is a top ___ QB, and I dont think he will get MVP. I don't even think he SHOULD be MVP, but he's in the conversation, so I put numbers out there because its fun and he IS having a historical statistical season. It's even MORE fun to see people blow gaskets because they cant accept that he's even good, let alone in the MVP convo.

I'd love to see him win it for 3 reasons.

1: It would break the internet

2: It would be one of the greatest underdog stories of all time if Mr Irrelevant won MVP (only Kurt Warner did it from farther out, but he also had an all star cast around him)

3: I'd cash out $500 on a $10 bet I made back in early May.

All that said, I think CMC will get OPOY and MVP will go to someone other than Purdy. But some of the weak straw grasping that gives Purdy no credit for being as good as he's been is just comical to me.

All I want is a SB. Individual awards are cool but they don't do much for me.

 

[jobarules]

CMC has 7 receiving TDs and Purdy has 29 TD passes. So maybe you should edit it again.

c'mon man.. it's a FF forum, you know full well I'm not being literal. 25% of his passing TDs are to his RB.... twenty-five.

They still count. 100% absolutely. But you realize that's borderline insane, ya? CMC is not of this earth.

I have no problem saying CMC is MVP.

By a longshot. And there are others too... I'm not knocking Purdy (I own him). But cmon... MVP means something special. Purdy's numbers are not special. With the offense and defense and coaching of that team, I don't see special. I see very good.

I personally think Josh Allen (despite the turnovers) is more valuable to the Bills than any other player in football.

 

[Spin]

But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

Based on what? Generally curious why you don't think he's an NFL-Top 5 QB? Not sure what you mean by, he has lots of time, 49ers oline are ranked 20th by PFF.

Brock Purdy's been under pressure on 39% of his dropbacks. that's 3% more than the next mvp candidate. he doesn't get anywhere near the credit he should for 1) avoiding sacks 2) extending/creating out of structure. he saves 2-4 possessions a game that either result in a 1st or TD

Purdy consistently makes plays while under pressure, with free runners, putting the ball right on the money.

 

[jobarules]

But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

Based on what? Generally curious why you don't think he's an NFL-Top 5 QB? Not sure what you mean by, he has lots of time, 49ers oline are ranked 20th by PFF.

Id be hard pressed to call him top 5 when Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert are probably the unquestioned top 4 QBs in the NFL. Is he 5th? Maybe but I think its debatable among LJax, Stroud, Dak, Cousins, Stafford, Tua.

Id probably rank him behind LJax, Stroud, and Cousins and ahead of Dak, Stafford, and Tua. So thats 8th best QB

 

[Ministry of Pain]

i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Happy to see Purdy doing well and if we are talking FF, he's Top 5 so I might laugh a lot with you. But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

I just think you should acknowledge that when others debate you and it's why i haven't said much

I agree with most of this. I've never said Purdy is a top ___ QB, and I dont think he will get MVP. I don't even think he SHOULD be MVP, but he's in the conversation, so I put numbers out there because its fun and he IS having a historical statistical season. It's even MORE fun to see people blow gaskets because they cant accept that he's even good, let alone in the MVP convo.

I'd love to see him win it for 3 reasons.

1: It would break the internet

2: It would be one of the greatest underdog stories of all time if Mr Irrelevant won MVP (only Kurt Warner did it from farther out, and he also had an all star cast around him)

3: I'd cash out $500 on a $10 bet I made back in early May.

All that said, I think CMC will get OPOY and MVP will go to someone other than Purdy. But some of the weak straw grasping that gives Purdy no credit for being as good as he's been is just comical to me.

All I want is a SB. Individual awards are cool but they don't do much for me.

I appreciate you posting back
I am not going to argue against Purdy, i just don't view him as an elite QB yet, but acknowledge that he is getting better and better
I was not and still not a big Russ Wilson supporter but I see their career paths being somewhat similar at the moment.
2 Super bowl trips and a Lombardi Trophy, again i'm sure you all won't mind what anyone wants to say as long as you hoist the trophy in a few weeks
I don't care what folks think of Tua and believe me i pull my hair out at times but much like Purdy, when things go well around him he usually doesn't derail the team.
Tua hits the guys that are open but when plays break down, he cannot make plays on his own, it's obvious when you watch him
But I don't argue with Phins fans much about him because he is pretty revered here and I did have a Tua throwback on at Hard Rock my son provided so i would fit in with the natives

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

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Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

 

[Wingnut]

The case for and against 49ers QB Brock Purdy being MVP:

Brock Purdy's case for -- and against -- an unprecedented MVP award: Why he's now the favorite

Purdy has emerged as the betting favorite to get the award, but is he even the most valuable player on his team? We dive in to see.

www.espn.com

 

[Ministry of Pain]

But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

Based on what? Generally curious why you don't think he's an NFL-Top 5 QB? Not sure what you mean by, he has lots of time, 49ers oline are ranked 20th by PFF.

Brock Purdy's been under pressure on 39% of his dropbacks. that's 3% more than the next mvp candidate. he doesn't get anywhere near the credit he should for 1) avoiding sacks 2) extending/creating out of structure. he saves 2-4 possessions a game that either result in a 1st or TD

Purdy consistently makes plays while under pressure, with free runners, putting the ball right on the money.

Free runners, how does he get so many free runners to hit?
I bet a lot of QBs could hit a free running WR down the field, Tua cashes in all the time when a guy is wide open
Is Tua a Top 5 NFL QB in your opinion?

 

[jobarules]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

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Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

 

[NinerGang]

To have a realistic shot at winning, Lamar probably needs to ball out like mad Monday night against SF and the Ravens have to win the game. Doing that in a game on Christmas many will see could go a long way to giving him a solid shot.

The issue for Purdy and McCaffrey could be many voters going for one and not the other to where neither gets enough votes to win

The introduction of ranked choice voting last year may eliminate this issue.

 

[jumper]

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

While I understand the MVP is almost exclusively given to Quarterbacks nowadays, it's a bit ridiculous that folks can say Purdy should be MVP when there's a reasonable argument to be had whether he's in the Top 5 NFL Quarterbacks right now.

It would be laughable if you tried to argue that CMC wasn't one of the Top 3-5 running backs in the NFL right now. And probably laughable to suggest he's not one of the Top 3-5 players OVERALL in the NFL right now, regardless of position.

That's why the entire premise of who wins the MVP award nowadays is stupid. It's not actually who is the most valuable player, it's "Consider QBs whose team is in the playoffs (preferably with at least 12 wins) and from the QBs who qualify, choose which has posted the best stats over the last 5 games or so of the regular season." I don't even think someone like Terrell Davis could win the MVP award nowadays.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

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Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

While I understand the MVP is almost exclusively given to Quarterbacks nowadays, it's a bit ridiculous that folks can say Purdy should be MVP when there's a reasonable argument to be had whether he's in the Top 5 NFL Quarterbacks right now.

It would be laughable if you tried to argue that CMC wasn't one of the Top 3-5 running backs in the NFL right now. And probably laughable to suggest he's not one of the Top 3-5 players OVERALL in the NFL right now, regardless of position.

That's why the entire premise of who wins the MVP award nowadays is stupid. It's not actually who is the most valuable player, it's "Consider QBs whose team is in the playoffs (preferably with at least 12 wins) and from the QBs who qualify, choose which has posted the best stats over the last 5 games or so of the regular season." I don't even think someone like Terrell Davis could win the MVP award nowadays.

We here in Miami rarely if ever have an MVP candidate
-I couldn't name the MVP most years and like you said, they hand it out many times to QBs who lead teams to 12+ wins and a Playoff run.
That never happens down here...

That's why it seems like Tyreek Hill should at least be in the top 3 or 4 names for the MVP
-I don't think Miami would have 10 wins without his 1,500+ yds and on his way to 2,000 before he was injured

 

[jobarules]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats | NFL Metrics | FantasyPros

View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

www.fantasypros.com

Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

I argued when someone said Jimmy G put up just as good #s as him or when you said all he does is pass short when both of those are objectively false and have been proved so numerous times with #s.

Follow the conversation

 

[jumper]

The best solution for this year is to name both Purdy and CMC as co-MVPs. Of course that would never happen.

 

[Spin]

But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

Based on what? Generally curious why you don't think he's an NFL-Top 5 QB? Not sure what you mean by, he has lots of time, 49ers oline are ranked 20th by PFF.

Brock Purdy's been under pressure on 39% of his dropbacks. that's 3% more than the next mvp candidate. he doesn't get anywhere near the credit he should for 1) avoiding sacks 2) extending/creating out of structure. he saves 2-4 possessions a game that either result in a 1st or TD

Purdy consistently makes plays while under pressure, with free runners, putting the ball right on the money.

Free runners, how does he get so many free runners to hit?
I bet a lot of QBs could hit a free running WR down the field, Tua cashes in all the time when a guy is wide open
Is Tua a Top 5 NFL QB in your opinion?

Sorry, by free runners, I meant defensive players running at him unblocked.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

But he's not an NFL-Top 5 QB, you do understand that, right? At least not yet. He has lots of time with all that talent and great coaching to be that guy but right now I view him more in the Russ Wilson area and that's not a bad thing, he went to 2 SB and won a Lombardi trophy which is all you really care about so be happy.

Based on what? Generally curious why you don't think he's an NFL-Top 5 QB? Not sure what you mean by, he has lots of time, 49ers oline are ranked 20th by PFF.

Brock Purdy's been under pressure on 39% of his dropbacks. that's 3% more than the next mvp candidate. he doesn't get anywhere near the credit he should for 1) avoiding sacks 2) extending/creating out of structure. he saves 2-4 possessions a game that either result in a 1st or TD

Purdy consistently makes plays while under pressure, with free runners, putting the ball right on the money.

Free runners, how does he get so many free runners to hit?
I bet a lot of QBs could hit a free running WR down the field, Tua cashes in all the time when a guy is wide open
Is Tua a Top 5 NFL QB in your opinion?

Sorry, by free runners, I meant defensive players running at him unblocked.

That makes a lot more sense, thank you

-I never said Purdy was not a good QB, i just am not sure he's really a true Top-5 guy, not sure how he would do on other teams, especially the bottom 5-10 in the league although I'm sure he would offer some hope to those teams.

 

[Wingnut]

I never said Purdy was not a good QB, i just am not sure he's really a true Top-5 guy, not sure how he would do on other teams, especially the bottom 5-10 in the league

Hopefully we never get to find out how he would do on another team.

 

[Soulfly3]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

I argued when someone said Jimmy G put up just as good #s as him

Serious question - with 2 games remaining, do you think Purdy's #s are going to be so vastly better than Jimmy's were that he's a top 2 MVP candidate?

We're looking at an additional 4-6Tds and 5-600extra yards, most likely.

Again, he's a top 3/4 qb for me this season... But he's not more valuable than Goff or even Stroud was for their teams, imo.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

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Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

I argued when someone said Jimmy G put up just as good #s as him or when you said all he does is pass short when both of those are objectively false and have been proved so numerous times with #s.

Follow the conversation

"he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest"

Is a LOT DIFFERENT than what you keep posting or trying to put words into my mouth

Hitting guys in space 20 yards down the field is NOT the same as saying he just passes short
That's an incredible misinterpretation of what I wrote to @Wingnut btw and it had nothing to do with you
I'm sure if I had posted something he disagreed with, I'd have heard about it on the reply...did you even bother to read the exchange we were having before you decided to jump in with your classless and baseless accusations?

Try and keep up by following the conversation
Furthermore you are going on MoP's Naughty List or the Island of Misfit Toys, good luck finding your X-Mas spirit this week

Cheers!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I would like to See Dak get hot again and win it just so people can shut up about him but other than that IDGAF.

If I were to argue against Purdy or CMC, my argument would be, two MVP candidates on the same team kinda hurt their chances.

 

[jobarules]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats | NFL Metrics | FantasyPros

View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

www.fantasypros.com

Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

I argued when someone said Jimmy G put up just as good #s as him

Serious question - with 2 games remaining, do you think Purdy's #s are going to be so vastly better than Jimmy's were that he's a top 2 MVP candidate?

They are already better now so yes. Next question. Do any of the other QBs you listed (Goff, Stroud) have vastly better numbers than Jimmy G?

 

[Anarchy99]

The problem here is that some people will argue that Purdy on many other teams is probably not a Top 3-5 QB (which I mostly agree with) and that other QBs inserted in place of Purdy would potentially be a Top 3-5 QB (which I also mostly agree with). But the fact of the matter is neither of those are the reality of the situation. Purdy is a good fit for what the Niners are running and has done exceptionally well. He's the 2023 version of 2016 Matt Ryan.

Purdy
271 yds/gm, 119.0 rating, 10.6 AY/A, 7.6 TD%, 1.8 INT%
Ryan
306 yds/gm, 117.1 Rating, 10.1 AY/A, 7.1 TD%, 1.3 INT%

I wouldn't be outraged if Purdy wins MVP (like Ryan did). However, I think CMC is a big cog in the offense that makes everything else go. That doesn't take away from what Purdy has done, but I think CMC makes things a lot easier for the passing game to be successful. CMC on his own this year could end up close to what Freeman and Coleman produced combined for the Falcons in 2016 (2482 YFS and 24 total TD). If we say Purdy is the top QB for MVP, he's not putting up insane yardage or TD numbers compared to other years. He's been very efficient, but he's not in the 5000/40-50 range that QBs have been in the past 10 years. I must say, though, I can't remember seeing a team rank 32nd in passing attempts but 2nd in passing yards. That part is nuts. The 49ers are only 165 yards behind the Dolphins, so they stand a chance at overtaking them (especially if Hill is banged up).

 

[Soulfly3]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats | NFL Metrics | FantasyPros

View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

www.fantasypros.com

Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

I argued when someone said Jimmy G put up just as good #s as him

Serious question - with 2 games remaining, do you think Purdy's #s are going to be so vastly better than Jimmy's were that he's a top 2 MVP candidate?

They are already better now so yes. Next question. Do any of the other QBs you listed (Goff, Stroud) have vastly better numbers than Jimmy G?

No, Goff will basically be on par w Purdy w his numbers.

What Goff and Stroud can boast, is a dramatic uptick in their team's performances. DET winning their division and playoffs, and Stroud (while now hurt, so takes a dip) has just been a phenom and has Houston looking an actual force.

SF were a 13 win team last season. SF has just been good/very good for some time now.

 

[jobarules]

Miss me with this Purdy BS.... I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy.

I can't. I just can't.

That said, i've tried to shy away from challenging you on Purdy because for the team SF has assembled, he is what they needed. He doesn't try to do too much and he hits guys short and in space and allows their talents to do much of the rest, Deebo has been in beast mode since coming back from injury.

Purdy leads the league in AIR YARDS PER ATTEMPT

2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats | NFL Metrics | FantasyPros

View 2023 Advanced Quarterback Stats including Air Yards, Deep Ball Passing, Pocket Time, and more. See how QBs perform across the NFL's key metrics.

www.fantasypros.com

Freaking clueless

Let's stop with the INSULTS and acting like a 1st CLASS Bleep around here, I've had that World Title forever and I'm not giving it up

-You had a great stat so just post it and ask if someone knew that was the case? You would have gotten a great response and furthered the conversation but instead you try and dunk the ball like you won something, we're just discussing his NFL merits right now and I think I was pretty complimentary

Clueless? Classless is how I would describe your last post and I'll be happy to accept a quick apology and we can move on

Theres nothing to debate or apologize about. Your comment about him hitting guys short was completely proven wrong by the OBJECTIVE stat of AIR YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT. Calling someone clueless when they are completely wrong about something isnt an insult.

-So all these Deebo highlights that ESPN pumps all week and other plays SF makes with their skill guys, none of those long TDs happened that we see on TV?
You don't acknowledge that Purdy gets a big lift from Deebo, CMC and Kittle?

You believe Purdy is a Top 3-5 NFL Quarterback RIGHT NOW?

Ive actually said the opposite numerous times in this thread. Not sure what else I need to say

So why are you arguing with people and slinging insults around when you feel the same way that he isn't an elite NFL Top 5 QB?

-I agree, nothing else you really need to say
But I would like a PM if there is more to say

I argued when someone said Jimmy G put up just as good #s as him

Serious question - with 2 games remaining, do you think Purdy's #s are going to be so vastly better than Jimmy's were that he's a top 2 MVP candidate?

They are already better now so yes. Next question. Do any of the other QBs you listed (Goff, Stroud) have vastly better numbers than Jimmy G?

No, Goff will basically be on par w Purdy w his numbers.

What Goff and Stroud can boast, is a dramatic uptick in their team's performances. DET winning their division and playoffs, and Stroud (while now hurt, so takes a dip) has just been a phenom and has Houston looking an actual force.

SF were a 13 win team last season. SF has just been good/very good for some time now.

It seems like you are changing you're arguments here. All I took issue with was this bizarre comparison to Jimmy G from 2019. Its been said numerous times in this thread and in fantasy football circles in general that its a down year for offenses AND QBs. Purdy happens to have the best #s THIS year. Not sure what comparing him with 2019 #s makes any sense especially when the other guys you listed also have worse #s than Purdy. It makes no sense.

 

[Anarchy99]

No, Goff will basically be on par w Purdy w his numbers.

Goff's totals may be similar, but not his efficiency . . .

Purdy (3795 - 29 - 7)
271 yds/gm, 119.0 rating, 10.6 AY/A, 7.6 TD%, 1.8 INT%
Goff (3727 - 26 - 10)
266 yds/gm, 98.2 rating, 7/6 AY/A, 5.2 TD%, 2.0 INT%

While their totals may be similar, it's taken Goff 499 attempts to still be behind Purdy's numbers . . . which he posted in only 384 attempts.

 

[Soulfly3]

Would you say Stroud is more important to Houston, or Purdy to SF?

Again, neither is worthy of MVP for me. No QB is close to being one either (for me). But I just think there are a few who have been more important to their team.

SF is good w anyone under centre. They're just stacked top to bottom. Purdy just so happens to be a good - very good QB, so they're even more dangerous now.

 

[jobarules]

Would you say Stroud is more important to Houston, or Purdy to SF?

Stroud for sure

Again, I have never argued otherwise

 

[Soulfly3]

Would you say Stroud is more important to Houston, or Purdy to SF?

Stroud for sure

Again, I have never argued otherwise

Ya, I don't even remember what you and I are arguing about, since neither of us thinks Purdy is MVP.

I just think he's even further away than you do, is all.

Purdy is good. But I truly believe that almost any QB placed in Purdy's spot does a similar job in terms of results... Because SF has basically shown it can and has. Numbers would likely vary here and there, but that system is just set up for QBs to succeed without having too much to do/worry about

 

[Dickies]

I was twice as impressed with Jimmy as I am Purdy. Just simple facts

You must not have watched many games.

 

[jobarules]

Would you say Stroud is more important to Houston, or Purdy to SF?

Stroud for sure

Again, I have never argued otherwise

Ya, I don't even remember what you and I are arguing about, since neither of us thinks Purdy is MVP.

I just think he's even further away than you do, is all.

Purdy is good. But I truly believe that almost any QB placed in Purdy's spot does a similar job in terms of results... Because SF has basically shown it can and has. Numbers would likely vary here and there, but that system is just set up for QBs to succeed without having too much to do/worry about

Scroll up to the first post in this page...

A) saying he's not even a top 20 player in terms of importance in his team

B) saying you were twice as impressed by Jimmy G.

Both laughable statements.