2023 Philadelphia Eagles - If it makes us frown, flush it down. On to Dallas. (9 Viewers)

[Snotbubbles]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

They were so sold on Mailata and his potential in 2018 that they spent a first round pick on Andre Dillard, a player who played the same position, in 2019. It was a classic, take-a-flyer on a player with good measurables.

the "word" was actually that they had their eyes on Mailata the whole time, so i wouldn't put it in a luck category. if i remember correctly they had actually traded up in the 7th round to grab Mailatta because they knew some other teams were ready to pounce on him too

This information is not even remotely relevant to the fact that they got "lucky" Mailata turned into a starter. I'm sure they probably wanted to take a flyer on Mailata based on his physical characteristics. But he was a major project when drafted and at the time they took him they probably would have been happy if he turned into a serviceable back-up. If they truly believed Mailata would eventually develop into an NFL starting-caliber LT they wouldn't have traded up for Dillard the very next season.

 

[JAA]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

We need a rotational OL while Kelce and Lane are still around. I like the versatility of Paris at #10 if he is there.

 

[JAA]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

They were so sold on Mailata and his potential in 2018 that they spent a first round pick on Andre Dillard, a player who played the same position, in 2019. It was a classic, take-a-flyer on a player with good measurables.

OL is becoming rotational like DL. With the increased number of games, bodies wear down faster. I believe OL depth will become more and more important to NFL teams just like fresh DL bodies are.

 

[jasvic]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

 

[Snotbubbles]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

We need a rotational OL while Kelce and Lane are still around. I like the versatility of Paris at #10 if he is there.

I would draft defense with my two firsts. Apart from Kelce (whom Jurgens is the heir apparent) and a RG, the rest of the offense is set for the next 2-3 seasons. On defense they need more talent and depth.

 

[Terpman22]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

I don't factor luck into drafting a guy with a calculated risk. Not everyone can turn a 7th round pick at any position maybe outside K/P into a high level player. Not a lot of teams can take a guy like Mailata who never played NFL football before into a high end player where you pay him $14M a year eventually and that looks like a bargain. I would say its akin to Not every team could draft Mr. Irrelevant and develop him enough in his first year to get your team to the NFC title game. Its all scouting and coaching IMO.

 

[Snotbubbles]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

They were so sold on Mailata and his potential in 2018 that they spent a first round pick on Andre Dillard, a player who played the same position, in 2019. It was a classic, take-a-flyer on a player with good measurables.

OL is becoming rotational like DL. With the increased number of games, bodies wear down faster. I believe OL depth will become more and more important to NFL teams just like fresh DL bodies are.

OL only come out for injury. DL come out to stay fresh.

 

[The Noid]

Malaita was a targeted project/flyer that panned out, for sure, and Kelce was the C equivalent of a once-in-a-blue moon Tom Brady-type pick. But the hit rate on those, for the Eagles and any team, is extremely skewed to the "misses" so it's not accurate to say "just take someone with promising measurables late and turn them into a 10-year foundational building block." Some recent ones, without even digging into the UDFAs that never turned into gold:

2020 - Prince Tega Wanogho: 6th round, 300 lb. 6'5" T, miss
2016 - Alex McCalister: 7th round 6'6" DE project, miss
2015 - Brian Mihalik: 7th round, 315 lb. 6'7" DE project, converted to T, miss

Stoutland is the best, but even he doesn't give you enough of an edge to move away from the strategy of using early picks on players that can pay off like Lane, Dickerson, Jurgens, etc., which also come with their own misses.

If there's someone at #10 they think has the potential to anchor the RT spot like Lane, or be a stud at G like Brandon Brooks when combining the player's abilities and the coaching maximalization they will get here, you don't pass on that and take your chances with some scratch-off lottery tickets that might reveal another Malaita.

 

[The Noid]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

 

[Amused to Death]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

 

[JAA]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

No Chance Howie drafts RB in top 3/4's of first round.

 

[JAA]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

 

[The Noid]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

There's definitely an interesting hypothetical question to be debated about "when" he becomes a potential pick for them and their drafting philosophy. #10, not a chance. #30, I would say very good chance. All the picks in between? Who knows?

Probably more of a mitigating factors type deal, than a specific "pick number in the sand." Something like #23 or later could be it, but maybe that's only if they've already used their #10 and are trading up from #30. Or, he would have to be the last 1st round graded player on their board (teams usually don't have 30+ players rated as 1st rounders.)

 

[Amused to Death]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

I don't know what they'd get in return, but I think trading back 5 or 6 spots would still get them one of the top CBs.

 

[The Noid]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

I don't know what they'd get in return, but I think trading back 5 or 6 spots would still get them one of the top CBs.

I think if we see a pre-draft night trade back, it means they have multiple targets and are willing to end up with one of them if it nets them a good return. If we don't, it likely means they have a few specific targets and they want to work out some possible deals and see how the draft unfolds and whether or not they can still get one of them after trading back.

 

[need2know]

I would really like CB with one of the first rounders. Ten seems too high for branch from bama I guess. It would be shocking to see them use both picks. I would think we are trading one of them

 

[Snotbubbles]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

There's definitely an interesting hypothetical question to be debated about "when" he becomes a potential pick for them and their drafting philosophy. #10, not a chance. #30, I would say very good chance. All the picks in between? Who knows?

Probably more of a mitigating factors type deal, than a specific "pick number in the sand." Something like #23 or later could be it, but maybe that's only if they've already used their #10 and are trading up from #30. Or, he would have to be the last 1st round graded player on their board (teams usually don't have 30+ players rated as 1st rounders.)

At #30 I think he'd be an option. His contract would be $2.2M, $2.8M, $3.4M & $4M so it's much more in line with what the Eagles probably have budget-wise for the position, than taking him at #10 and paying him $4M, $5M, $6M & $7M. At #30, he'd also be great value. I don't think he'll last to #30 though.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

I don't know what they'd get in return, but I think trading back 5 or 6 spots would still get them one of the top CBs.

If one of the top 4 QBs falls to 10, they should have a trade partner. If not, I don't know if anyone will want to move up.

 

[Terpman22]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

There's definitely an interesting hypothetical question to be debated about "when" he becomes a potential pick for them and their drafting philosophy. #10, not a chance. #30, I would say very good chance. All the picks in between? Who knows?

Probably more of a mitigating factors type deal, than a specific "pick number in the sand." Something like #23 or later could be it, but maybe that's only if they've already used their #10 and are trading up from #30. Or, he would have to be the last 1st round graded player on their board (teams usually don't have 30+ players rated as 1st rounders.)

At #30 I think he'd be an option. His contract would be $2.2M, $2.8M, $3.4M & $4M so it's much more in line with what the Eagles probably have budget-wise for the position, than taking him at #10 and paying him $4M, $5M, $6M & $7M. At #30, he'd also be great value. I don't think he'll last to #30 though.

Count me as one of the guys that really want Bijan on the team. Not at 10, but if it happens I won't break stuff. He won't last until 30 IMO and also IMO the Eagles and Howie will trade down from one of our 2 1st round spots so its either trade down from 10, get a value player and trade back up. Or pick at 10 and trade out of 30 to a team that wants a player with 5 years of "guaranteed" contract.

 

[DJackson10]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

The Eagles drafted him because they liked what they saw. He was a raw talent a combination of size and athleticism not seen a lot of times. They knew if they tried in UDFA they probably wouldn't get him and trusted Stout to develop him. They thought he'd be a RT possible given Lanes issues. Is there a little luck? Sure but it's not as lucky as NE drafting Brady or us lucking out on being able to draft Lane Johnson when Chip wanted Dion Jordan

lets go to another Sport like basketball. 76ers lucked out when they drafted Joel Embiid. He's the #1 pick over Andrew wiggins without the red flags. Sixers may have ended up with Jabarai Parker. Or they pass on Joel themselves and draft Gordon or Exum. I think what @Snotbubbles is a bit upset about is you called it the Eagles lucking into Maliata. Sure there was some luck but I don't think its the kind of luck you are referring to.

 

[DJackson10]

Malaita was a targeted project/flyer that panned out, for sure, and Kelce was the C equivalent of a once-in-a-blue moon Tom Brady-type pick. But the hit rate on those, for the Eagles and any team, is extremely skewed to the "misses" so it's not accurate to say "just take someone with promising measurables late and turn them into a 10-year foundational building block." Some recent ones, without even digging into the UDFAs that never turned into gold:

2020 - Prince Tega Wanogho: 6th round, 300 lb. 6'5" T, miss
2016 - Alex McCalister: 7th round 6'6" DE project, miss
2015 - Brian Mihalik: 7th round, 315 lb. 6'7" DE project, converted to T, miss

Stoutland is the best, but even he doesn't give you enough of an edge to move away from the strategy of using early picks on players that can pay off like Lane, Dickerson, Jurgens, etc., which also come with their own misses.

If there's someone at #10 they think has the potential to anchor the RT spot like Lane, or be a stud at G like Brandon Brooks when combining the player's abilities and the coaching maximalization they will get here, you don't pass on that and take your chances with some scratch-off lottery tickets that might reveal another Malaita.

McCalister had bad knees coming in. He then tore his ACL again and never the same at his size hard to come back from.

Prince is on KC as one of those swing PS/Reserve guys right now which is still pretty good

Brian Mihalik after being released switched to OT hasn't played since '19 season.

but yeah at 6 and 7 rds you just hope the guy can become at best a role player who contributes well. Anything more is icing on the cake.

 

[DJackson10]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

Here's the thing it's just banter to draw in some ratings. It sells talking points. Most people in the NFL today think it's dumb wasting a 1st on an RB especially when their shelf life is less then others. I'm also cautious of guys who play in pre dominate Offensive conference with little defense. Not saying he can't be good but I think Robinson might be the most overrated prospect in this draft that won't be going in the top half of the draft honestly. It's a talking point, people think it's an Eagles need etc.

I my mock draft depending what I've traded so far and who've I've gotten and what's on the board I've gone anywhere from drafting an RB like Gibbs in the 2nd, 3rd Charbounette/Evans, or waiting till later for Luepeke/Christian Rodriquez or the guy from UTAH. This team doesn't need an pro bowl back. Anyone can run behind this line. If they can't thats more so on that guy.

 

[DJackson10]

I would really like CB with one of the first rounders. Ten seems too high for branch from bama I guess. It would be shocking to see them use both picks. I would think we are trading one of them

I want Nolan Smith or Brian Branch, or Ringo.

 

[DJackson10]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

I don't know what they'd get in return, but I think trading back 5 or 6 spots would still get them one of the top CBs.

If one of the top 4 QBs falls to 10, they should have a trade partner. If not, I don't know if anyone will want to move up.

I think you are underestimating a team wanting to trade up and jump a team to get a player they think someone will target. My mock sims I'm getting a lot of offers at Ten. Either taking Carter there if still there, the WR from OSU, Skorinski etc. I'm not saying it'll happen but there's always teams trying to jump ahead of someone

Tenn, Cle, NYJ, NE, GB, WAS, PIT, Det, TB and SEA after us. GB could jump in front of teams for a QB, TB and SEA shouldn't be ruled out with TENN above them depending who's there. A few of these teams need other things too. They should have trading partners. it's just a matter if anyone Is willing to trade what the Eagles think is a fair offer. If they can get 2 extra picks this year and move back a few spots and acquire a first next year I'd be ecstatic. Also I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 2nd 1st and move back 5-6 picks if it nets us a few more picks.

 

[ChicoCat]

I see this as a simple question. Which course of action in the draft gets them in the best position to win the Super Bowl next year? If it's Bijan...then make the move. This is the year to get unconventional in drafting.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I see this as a simple question. Which course of action in the draft gets them in the best position to win the Super Bowl next year? If it's Bijan...then make the move. This is the year to get unconventional in drafting.

Disagree on that line of thinking. This is the year to draft a guy who could replace a higher paid guy. So draft a CB to replace Slay or draft a DT to replace Cox or draft a DE to replace Graham. Turn $30M in caps hit in 2023 from those guys into $10M in cap hits in 2024 for younger guys with hopefully little to no drop-off. You have a positional budgets for a reason, stick to it.

 

[Terpman22]

I see this as a simple question. Which course of action in the draft gets them in the best position to win the Super Bowl next year? If it's Bijan...then make the move. This is the year to get unconventional in drafting.

Disagree on that line of thinking. This is the year to draft a guy who could replace a higher paid guy. So draft a CB to replace Slay or draft a DT to replace Cox or draft a DE to replace Graham. Turn $30M in caps hit in 2023 from those guys into $10M in cap hits in 2024 for younger guys with hopefully little to no drop-off. You have a positional budgets for a reason, stick to it.

This right here is where I'm at. And Jalen Carter is the guy, but really really starting to come around on Kancey too. Eagles really don't draft for need of the year but holes to fill for the future.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

I don't know what they'd get in return, but I think trading back 5 or 6 spots would still get them one of the top CBs.

If one of the top 4 QBs falls to 10, they should have a trade partner. If not, I don't know if anyone will want to move up.

I think you are underestimating a team wanting to trade up and jump a team to get a player they think someone will target. My mock sims I'm getting a lot of offers at Ten. Either taking Carter there if still there, the WR from OSU, Skorinski etc. I'm not saying it'll happen but there's always teams trying to jump ahead of someone

Tenn, Cle, NYJ, NE, GB, WAS, PIT, Det, TB and SEA after us. GB could jump in front of teams for a QB, TB and SEA shouldn't be ruled out with TENN above them depending who's there. A few of these teams need other things too. They should have trading partners. it's just a matter if anyone Is willing to trade what the Eagles think is a fair offer. If they can get 2 extra picks this year and move back a few spots and acquire a first next year I'd be ecstatic. Also I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 2nd 1st and move back 5-6 picks if it nets us a few more picks.

Jalen Carter or a QB and they'll have a trade partner. I don't see teams having much interest trading up for OL, WR or CB.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I see this as a simple question. Which course of action in the draft gets them in the best position to win the Super Bowl next year? If it's Bijan...then make the move. This is the year to get unconventional in drafting.

Disagree on that line of thinking. This is the year to draft a guy who could replace a higher paid guy. So draft a CB to replace Slay or draft a DT to replace Cox or draft a DE to replace Graham. Turn $30M in caps hit in 2023 from those guys into $10M in cap hits in 2024 for younger guys with hopefully little to no drop-off. You have a positional budgets for a reason, stick to it.

This right here is where I'm at. And Jalen Carter is the guy, but really really starting to come around on Kancey too. Eagles really don't draft for need of the year but holes to fill for the future.

Don't sleep on Nolan Smith, he's the same size as Haason Reddick but with better speed.

 

[DJackson10]

I see this as a simple question. Which course of action in the draft gets them in the best position to win the Super Bowl next year? If it's Bijan...then make the move. This is the year to get unconventional in drafting.

This is the year you add depth that will replace older guys on higher salaries like Slay and Cox or guys eventually retiring like Brandon Graham. You also need to add depth and a quality #3 WR, another Safety as well. I don't think Bijan is that impactful he makes a huge difference enough. We aren't talking Generational player here. Last RB the Eagles thought of taking early was Dalvin Cook and quite frankly if both Robinson and Cook were in this draft I'd take Cook every time. And this is coming from a guy who likes Florida. Not saying Robinson isn't good. I know most teams don't value the RB position the way the media still does or even fans. You aren't getting many Bell Cow backs and the RB market was pretty tame this year.

 

[DJackson10]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

I would love to see a trade down 6-10 spots for 1st next year. Im not a huge fan of this draft from an all-star standpoint

I don't know what they'd get in return, but I think trading back 5 or 6 spots would still get them one of the top CBs.

If one of the top 4 QBs falls to 10, they should have a trade partner. If not, I don't know if anyone will want to move up.

I think you are underestimating a team wanting to trade up and jump a team to get a player they think someone will target. My mock sims I'm getting a lot of offers at Ten. Either taking Carter there if still there, the WR from OSU, Skorinski etc. I'm not saying it'll happen but there's always teams trying to jump ahead of someone

Tenn, Cle, NYJ, NE, GB, WAS, PIT, Det, TB and SEA after us. GB could jump in front of teams for a QB, TB and SEA shouldn't be ruled out with TENN above them depending who's there. A few of these teams need other things too. They should have trading partners. it's just a matter if anyone Is willing to trade what the Eagles think is a fair offer. If they can get 2 extra picks this year and move back a few spots and acquire a first next year I'd be ecstatic. Also I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 2nd 1st and move back 5-6 picks if it nets us a few more picks.

Jalen Carter or a QB and they'll have a trade partner. I don't see teams having much interest trading up for OL, WR or CB.

There's talk of the OSU guy as well as Flowers now going top 15 in this draft WR wise. It isn't a very deep deep WR draft.

 

[DJackson10]

I see this as a simple question. Which course of action in the draft gets them in the best position to win the Super Bowl next year? If it's Bijan...then make the move. This is the year to get unconventional in drafting.

Disagree on that line of thinking. This is the year to draft a guy who could replace a higher paid guy. So draft a CB to replace Slay or draft a DT to replace Cox or draft a DE to replace Graham. Turn $30M in caps hit in 2023 from those guys into $10M in cap hits in 2024 for younger guys with hopefully little to no drop-off. You have a positional budgets for a reason, stick to it.

This right here is where I'm at. And Jalen Carter is the guy, but really really starting to come around on Kancey too. Eagles really don't draft for need of the year but holes to fill for the future.

Don't sleep on Nolan Smith, he's the same size as Haason Reddick but with better speed.

Nolan Smith is the guy I want not Carter. If I can't get Smith get me Brian Branch.

 

[jasvic]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

The Eagles drafted him because they liked what they saw. He was a raw talent a combination of size and athleticism not seen a lot of times. They knew if they tried in UDFA they probably wouldn't get him and trusted Stout to develop him. They thought he'd be a RT possible given Lanes issues. Is there a little luck? Sure but it's not as lucky as NE drafting Brady or us lucking out on being able to draft Lane Johnson when Chip wanted Dion Jordan

lets go to another Sport like basketball. 76ers lucked out when they drafted Joel Embiid. He's the #1 pick over Andrew wiggins without the red flags. Sixers may have ended up with Jabarai Parker. Or they pass on Joel themselves and draft Gordon or Exum. I think what @Snotbubbles is a bit upset about is you called it the Eagles lucking into Maliata. Sure there was some luck but I don't think its the kind of luck you are referring to.

Really surprised the luck thing blew up like it did. Am I saying the Eagles closed their eyes and picked a name out of a hat? Of course not. Is there some luck involved when any low drafted player turns pro bowl or even highly drafted players bust? Yes. Is it 100% luck? No.

Imagine how things would look if Dilliard was a bust and Mailata's ceiling was a mediocre starter or just a solid backup, which one might expect from a 7th round project. Eagles sure are lucky Mailata turned out to be a helluva lot better than anyone imagined.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

 

[Terpman22]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

The Eagles drafted him because they liked what they saw. He was a raw talent a combination of size and athleticism not seen a lot of times. They knew if they tried in UDFA they probably wouldn't get him and trusted Stout to develop him. They thought he'd be a RT possible given Lanes issues. Is there a little luck? Sure but it's not as lucky as NE drafting Brady or us lucking out on being able to draft Lane Johnson when Chip wanted Dion Jordan

lets go to another Sport like basketball. 76ers lucked out when they drafted Joel Embiid. He's the #1 pick over Andrew wiggins without the red flags. Sixers may have ended up with Jabarai Parker. Or they pass on Joel themselves and draft Gordon or Exum. I think what @Snotbubbles is a bit upset about is you called it the Eagles lucking into Maliata. Sure there was some luck but I don't think its the kind of luck you are referring to.

Really surprised the luck thing blew up like it did. Am I saying the Eagles closed their eyes and picked a name out of a hat? Of course not. Is there some luck involved when any low drafted player turns pro bowl or even highly drafted players bust? Yes. Is it 100% luck? No.

Imagine how things would look if Dilliard was a bust and Mailata's ceiling was a mediocre starter or just a solid backup, which one might expect from a 7th round project. Eagles sure are lucky Mailata turned out to be a helluva lot better than anyone imagined.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Maybe I'm a tad sensitive considering all the crap I have heard excuses the Eagles success of the past season. Not verbatim but a lot of themes revolving around luck:

"Jalen Hurts actually isn't good, he just got lucky he had a complete/loaded roster built around him to basically hide him as a running back playing QB"

"The Eagles aren't good, they just got lucky to play the easiest schedule in the league (often said about the Eagles, but somehow didn't hear this about SF and their Mr. Irrelevant guy taking them to the title game, despite the fact they played a very easy schedule too, in a weaker division)

"The Only reason the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl b/c they got lucky in who the played in the playoffs (ignoring the fact that the 1 seed BY DESIGN is set up for the team to actually play, seeding-wise, the weaker team in each round of the playoffs"

So adding fuel to the fire that "The Eagles don't actually draft well they get lucky when they get a good player" (again not verbatim, just more the theme I hear in my head)I kind of took it and ran with it. Some teams are good at drafting certain positions (Pittsburgh and WR) and some teams are good at drafting offensive lineman (While Lane Johnson WAS a high draft pick, there were still 2 Offensive tackles drafted the year he came out IN FRONT OF HIM, including a guy that went 1 overall). No team is 100% as mentioned (Limas Sweed anyone?) and while we might have "missed" on Andre Dillard, it seems he still holds some value in the league considering he signed a multi year deal at about $9m per. Its not a crazy statement to say "guys drafted higher tend to work out better" bc duh.

 

[DJackson10]

"Jalen Hurts actually isn't good, he just got lucky he had a complete/loaded roster built around him to basically hide him as a running back playing QB"

"The Eagles aren't good, they just got lucky to play the easiest schedule in the league (often said about the Eagles, but somehow didn't hear this about SF and their Mr. Irrelevant guy taking them to the title game, despite the fact they played a very easy schedule too, in a weaker division)

"The Only reason the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl b/c they got lucky in who the played in the playoffs (ignoring the fact that the 1 seed BY DESIGN is set up for the team to actually play, seeding-wise, the weaker team in each round of the playoffs"

I think some of these can be part true. For example I've always been saying I don't think Hurts can be a successful QB in the NFL unless the team around him is built better. Was he a good passer this year? Sure but can he do that consistently. Also ask yourself truthfully but how many other teams could Hurts honestly have been as successful on? Theres a lot of teams I'd say he wouldn't be and those teams would be looking at a QB this year IMHO. I think he's a good system Qb and honestly there's nothing wrong with that being the case.

The Schedule the Eagles did have one of the easier schedules based on opponent records the year before. Also outside of Mahomes how many legit QBs and offenses did our defense really face? One of my biggest issues this past season was 2nd half struggles which bit us in the *** come SB. I'm more shocked no-one wants to talk about the Eagles 2nd half struggles compared to the 1st half of games. They laid a goose egg in the 3rd and 4th QTR in almost 3 straight games. Those games were fortunately against weaker opponents. One was the first WAS Game and the JAX game can't remember the other top hand. Those need to be fixed. I'm not saying score every drive but I'd like some scoring consistency in all 4 QTRS next year and the team to play better defensively in the 2nd half of games.

The Giants were more of a cake walk than anything. I think the game could've been closer with the 49ers if Purdy didn't get hurt. I think SF the way we played we still win but it's not an embarrassing game and much closer in the end.

Yes there was some luck in our season this year. We were lucky Tenn had idiots running their FO and gave up on AJ Brown. We made some lucky signings. We got CJGJ for a 5th and he led the league in INTS and big factor on Defense. Giants were idiots for cutting Bradberry. Miles Sanders healthy almost the entire season? Yes there was some luck. Doesn't mean we weren't good but we were also a bit lucky. Same with 17 when we won the SB. There was some luck in there especially a back up QB playing out of his mind in the playoffs

 

[jasvic]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

The Eagles drafted him because they liked what they saw. He was a raw talent a combination of size and athleticism not seen a lot of times. They knew if they tried in UDFA they probably wouldn't get him and trusted Stout to develop him. They thought he'd be a RT possible given Lanes issues. Is there a little luck? Sure but it's not as lucky as NE drafting Brady or us lucking out on being able to draft Lane Johnson when Chip wanted Dion Jordan

lets go to another Sport like basketball. 76ers lucked out when they drafted Joel Embiid. He's the #1 pick over Andrew wiggins without the red flags. Sixers may have ended up with Jabarai Parker. Or they pass on Joel themselves and draft Gordon or Exum. I think what @Snotbubbles is a bit upset about is you called it the Eagles lucking into Maliata. Sure there was some luck but I don't think its the kind of luck you are referring to.

Really surprised the luck thing blew up like it did. Am I saying the Eagles closed their eyes and picked a name out of a hat? Of course not. Is there some luck involved when any low drafted player turns pro bowl or even highly drafted players bust? Yes. Is it 100% luck? No.

Imagine how things would look if Dilliard was a bust and Mailata's ceiling was a mediocre starter or just a solid backup, which one might expect from a 7th round project. Eagles sure are lucky Mailata turned out to be a helluva lot better than anyone imagined.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Maybe I'm a tad sensitive considering all the crap I have heard excuses the Eagles success of the past season. Not verbatim but a lot of themes revolving around luck:

"Jalen Hurts actually isn't good, he just got lucky he had a complete/loaded roster built around him to basically hide him as a running back playing QB"

"The Eagles aren't good, they just got lucky to play the easiest schedule in the league (often said about the Eagles, but somehow didn't hear this about SF and their Mr. Irrelevant guy taking them to the title game, despite the fact they played a very easy schedule too, in a weaker division)

"The Only reason the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl b/c they got lucky in who the played in the playoffs (ignoring the fact that the 1 seed BY DESIGN is set up for the team to actually play, seeding-wise, the weaker team in each round of the playoffs"

So adding fuel to the fire that "The Eagles don't actually draft well they get lucky when they get a good player" (again not verbatim, just more the theme I hear in my head)I kind of took it and ran with it. Some teams are good at drafting certain positions (Pittsburgh and WR) and some teams are good at drafting offensive lineman (While Lane Johnson WAS a high draft pick, there were still 2 Offensive tackles drafted the year he came out IN FRONT OF HIM, including a guy that went 1 overall). No team is 100% as mentioned (Limas Sweed anyone?) and while we might have "missed" on Andre Dillard, it seems he still holds some value in the league considering he signed a multi year deal at about $9m per. Its not a crazy statement to say "guys drafted higher tend to work out better" bc duh.

I hear ya and get it. To be honest, the Eagles did have some luck last year to get to the Super Bowl. But guess what, that's true of every Super Bowl team in the history of the NFL. The differences between the best and worst teams are a helluva lot thinner than people would like to believe. A few bad bounces, a bad call, a key injury, can ruin a game or a season. That's sports.

As for others using luck as the sole reason the Eagles were good, I just take Taylor Swift's advice and Shake It Off.

 

[renesauz]

Saw 3 articles from today debating the pros and cons of Bijan Robinson at #10 and starting to feel like there could be a pretty sizable faction of boos and angry Birds fans if he's on the board and we pass.

I'm 99% against it, but more importantly I think the Eagles are 101% against it.

I'd be ecstatic adding him to the offense, but its not the right pick. Need any defensive position or O-line. I fully expect them to trade down a few spots though.

There's definitely an interesting hypothetical question to be debated about "when" he becomes a potential pick for them and their drafting philosophy. #10, not a chance. #30, I would say very good chance. All the picks in between? Who knows?

Probably more of a mitigating factors type deal, than a specific "pick number in the sand." Something like #23 or later could be it, but maybe that's only if they've already used their #10 and are trading up from #30. Or, he would have to be the last 1st round graded player on their board (teams usually don't have 30+ players rated as 1st rounders.)

At #30 I think he'd be an option. His contract would be $2.2M, $2.8M, $3.4M & $4M so it's much more in line with what the Eagles probably have budget-wise for the position, than taking him at #10 and paying him $4M, $5M, $6M & $7M. At #30, he'd also be great value. I don't think he'll last to #30 though.

If he's as good as expected, the money at pick 10 is still a deal. NOt that I expect them to do that...but the RB is now UNDERvalued I think

 

[DJackson10]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

The Eagles drafted him because they liked what they saw. He was a raw talent a combination of size and athleticism not seen a lot of times. They knew if they tried in UDFA they probably wouldn't get him and trusted Stout to develop him. They thought he'd be a RT possible given Lanes issues. Is there a little luck? Sure but it's not as lucky as NE drafting Brady or us lucking out on being able to draft Lane Johnson when Chip wanted Dion Jordan

lets go to another Sport like basketball. 76ers lucked out when they drafted Joel Embiid. He's the #1 pick over Andrew wiggins without the red flags. Sixers may have ended up with Jabarai Parker. Or they pass on Joel themselves and draft Gordon or Exum. I think what @Snotbubbles is a bit upset about is you called it the Eagles lucking into Maliata. Sure there was some luck but I don't think its the kind of luck you are referring to.

Really surprised the luck thing blew up like it did. Am I saying the Eagles closed their eyes and picked a name out of a hat? Of course not. Is there some luck involved when any low drafted player turns pro bowl or even highly drafted players bust? Yes. Is it 100% luck? No.

Imagine how things would look if Dilliard was a bust and Mailata's ceiling was a mediocre starter or just a solid backup, which one might expect from a 7th round project. Eagles sure are lucky Mailata turned out to be a helluva lot better than anyone imagined.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Maybe I'm a tad sensitive considering all the crap I have heard excuses the Eagles success of the past season. Not verbatim but a lot of themes revolving around luck:

"Jalen Hurts actually isn't good, he just got lucky he had a complete/loaded roster built around him to basically hide him as a running back playing QB"

"The Eagles aren't good, they just got lucky to play the easiest schedule in the league (often said about the Eagles, but somehow didn't hear this about SF and their Mr. Irrelevant guy taking them to the title game, despite the fact they played a very easy schedule too, in a weaker division)

"The Only reason the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl b/c they got lucky in who the played in the playoffs (ignoring the fact that the 1 seed BY DESIGN is set up for the team to actually play, seeding-wise, the weaker team in each round of the playoffs"

So adding fuel to the fire that "The Eagles don't actually draft well they get lucky when they get a good player" (again not verbatim, just more the theme I hear in my head)I kind of took it and ran with it. Some teams are good at drafting certain positions (Pittsburgh and WR) and some teams are good at drafting offensive lineman (While Lane Johnson WAS a high draft pick, there were still 2 Offensive tackles drafted the year he came out IN FRONT OF HIM, including a guy that went 1 overall). No team is 100% as mentioned (Limas Sweed anyone?) and while we might have "missed" on Andre Dillard, it seems he still holds some value in the league considering he signed a multi year deal at about $9m per. Its not a crazy statement to say "guys drafted higher tend to work out better" bc duh.

And honestly who gives a **** about what others say? What happened to this town's "No one likes us we don't care" mentality. I see a lot of people say that but the minute one of the sports teams is "disrespected" people get their panties in a bunch. You are just giving the critics what they want in a reaction. It's stupid hot takes by the sorts radio guys etc.

 

[DJackson10]

There is no way they are drafting a DT in the 1st rd. They've spent Jordan Davis 1st rd draft capital and Milton Williams 3rd rder the past few years. If anything, they're drafting a CB.

My vote is OL. Someone versatile who can rotate, Tackle, Center, Guard.

we have such a good track record of getting OL talent later in the draft, I'd be pretty surprised if we took one at 10.

Lane Johnson?

Yes, one guy. The team has been fantastic at drafting late round OL that develop into starters. Would be totally shocked if they went OL at 10.

A bit disingenuous. Jurgens was a 2nd, Dickerson was a 2nd, Dillard was the plan at LT and a 1st but was a bust and they lucked out with Mailata.

I can't imagine Lane will be playing too much longer. Mailata has had back issues in the past and right now the only tackle they have behind them worth anything is Driscoll. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they grab an OT at 10 or wherever that pick ends up. Especially since they probably won't be picking this high again in the near future.

I'd assume their board for that top pick is either OT/DL and then a CB.

I'd like to hear your reasoning as "lucked out with Mailata" - was it purely "luck" they drafted a guy that never played American Football in his entire life, to the point he didn't even know how to properly put a helmet on and he just turned into a top 10 LT in the league? Or, maybe, just maybe, The Eagles OL Coach Jeff Stoutland is one of the best, if not the best OL coach in the league? If you lean more toward the latter then you'd understand the reasoning some of us think/lean that we won't take a T that high and we will rely on our guy to properly develop OL with more value picks.

Why can't it be both?

To expand on that, he went from never playing football to a pro bowler. Of course the Eagles deserve credit for identifying and developing, but I can't imagine in their wildest dreams he'd become as good as he is. I think anytime a 7th round pick turns into pro-bowler, luck is involved. But it's never an either or proposition.

The Eagles drafted him because they liked what they saw. He was a raw talent a combination of size and athleticism not seen a lot of times. They knew if they tried in UDFA they probably wouldn't get him and trusted Stout to develop him. They thought he'd be a RT possible given Lanes issues. Is there a little luck? Sure but it's not as lucky as NE drafting Brady or us lucking out on being able to draft Lane Johnson when Chip wanted Dion Jordan

lets go to another Sport like basketball. 76ers lucked out when they drafted Joel Embiid. He's the #1 pick over Andrew wiggins without the red flags. Sixers may have ended up with Jabarai Parker. Or they pass on Joel themselves and draft Gordon or Exum. I think what @Snotbubbles is a bit upset about is you called it the Eagles lucking into Maliata. Sure there was some luck but I don't think its the kind of luck you are referring to.

Really surprised the luck thing blew up like it did. Am I saying the Eagles closed their eyes and picked a name out of a hat? Of course not. Is there some luck involved when any low drafted player turns pro bowl or even highly drafted players bust? Yes. Is it 100% luck? No.

Imagine how things would look if Dilliard was a bust and Mailata's ceiling was a mediocre starter or just a solid backup, which one might expect from a 7th round project. Eagles sure are lucky Mailata turned out to be a helluva lot better than anyone imagined.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Maybe I'm a tad sensitive considering all the crap I have heard excuses the Eagles success of the past season. Not verbatim but a lot of themes revolving around luck:

"Jalen Hurts actually isn't good, he just got lucky he had a complete/loaded roster built around him to basically hide him as a running back playing QB"

"The Eagles aren't good, they just got lucky to play the easiest schedule in the league (often said about the Eagles, but somehow didn't hear this about SF and their Mr. Irrelevant guy taking them to the title game, despite the fact they played a very easy schedule too, in a weaker division)

"The Only reason the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl b/c they got lucky in who the played in the playoffs (ignoring the fact that the 1 seed BY DESIGN is set up for the team to actually play, seeding-wise, the weaker team in each round of the playoffs"

So adding fuel to the fire that "The Eagles don't actually draft well they get lucky when they get a good player" (again not verbatim, just more the theme I hear in my head)I kind of took it and ran with it. Some teams are good at drafting certain positions (Pittsburgh and WR) and some teams are good at drafting offensive lineman (While Lane Johnson WAS a high draft pick, there were still 2 Offensive tackles drafted the year he came out IN FRONT OF HIM, including a guy that went 1 overall). No team is 100% as mentioned (Limas Sweed anyone?) and while we might have "missed" on Andre Dillard, it seems he still holds some value in the league considering he signed a multi year deal at about $9m per. Its not a crazy statement to say "guys drafted higher tend to work out better" bc duh.

I hear ya and get it. To be honest, the Eagles did have some luck last year to get to the Super Bowl. But guess what, that's true of every Super Bowl team in the history of the NFL. The differences between the best and worst teams are a helluva lot thinner than people would like to believe. A few bad bounces, a bad call, a key injury, can ruin a game or a season. That's sports.

As for others using luck as the sole reason the Eagles were good, I just take Taylor Swift's advice and Shake It Off.

I'm only laughing because of the Taylor Swift reference. But yeah we need to stick to our mantra of no one likes us we don't care. With Union in Soccer we do this constantly. In June Alexi Lalas a former USMNT player who gives a bunch of dumb takes said our rival NYFC was the best club in the East maybe the league. This was after we beat them in a game. By November Union were in the MLS cup with NYFC going home with their tail between their legs. In fact talk about luck but the Union lost Eastern Conference finals because half their roster was in Covid Protocol the year before last. MLS never tweaked their rules with vaccinated and the virus went through the team possible from players coming back from international duty. Many including some analyst thought Union have a full roster they are in MLS cup. NYFC got lucky and they only won 2-1 giving up a goal to our academy player.

Someone mentioned in either an article of a tweet I saw about the injuries. Rams weren't a bad team but their offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and they lacked depth. They were a 5-12 team when they are a much better team then that. Go further back and you had the Colts with a great top QB in Andrew Luck retire early without warning. Colts haven't been the same since.

Patriots got lucky on a tuck rule play that started a dynasty. Giants beat NE on a lucky catch that most times doesn't happen from David Tyrie. You get a call go your way. Like I said there was 3 times I think Jalen Mills in the Goal Line stop vs ATL he could've been called for PI not called. Refs let them play ended in our favor since ATL couldn't run in the RZ.

Yeah a little luck goes along the way.

 

[modogg]

predicting the draft is always a crap shoot especially with Howie not being scared to make some trades. With that though, i think there are some things we can rationally deduce:

1) Jalen Carter is such an enigma with where he will be drafted this year, but i have to think the Eagles are in as good of shape as any if they really like the kid. Dom does well with looking at backgrounds, Eagles front office and Siriani do a good job of prioritizing character and personalities, and i have to think there are few in the league who can give some insight on the kid like Dean and Davis can. add in the veterans on the DL, and if the Eagles like the talent enough i can see them jumping on him at 10.

2) the Bijan Robinson is so funny, no chance the Eagles reach for the kid (if he somehow falls to the 2nd round maybe they take a chance). Connecting the kid to Dallas with his Texas connection and the fact that they grabbed Zeke so high when they did, makes it possible the Cowboys could grab him in the 1st round. my 2 cents, i am happy the Eagles don't fall into traps of thinking drafting a RB in the 1st round is good use of draft capital

3) i think the chance of the Eagles picking twice in the 1st as less then 33%. Just seems like they move one to go up or down, or look to get some value in future drafts. i know they will have a lot of picks next year with comp picks, so i don't know if they will look to add any more. I also wouldn't rule out a trade for a valuable piece on a current team....

with that possibility, i think more and more that the Eagles have to be looking closely at the OTs in this draft, and the next 1-2 years of how the prospects look. I have to think that takes priority over almost any other position considering their lack of depth now at OT. i don't know if they feel any of the top OTs are special enough to take at 10 this year, so it will be interesting. i have to think Lane gave some thoughts on how much longer he may play to Howie when he redid his contract, so i think the Eagles are planning this out. the fact they let Dillard walk (the money was good though, so can't blame them), makes me think Lane is around for at least more than this year. Maybe the Eagles take a high quality project like they did with Landon and Cam

i do think they prioritize offense. OL seems to stand out. possibly TE but this draft has a lot of good TEs so they can take that later. I just don't think they go away from prioritizing the offense in the this draft, unless a blue chip talent like Dean or something falls again in any non-1st round.

 

[Terpman22]

predicting the draft is always a crap shoot especially with Howie not being scared to make some trades. With that though, i think there are some things we can rationally deduce:

1) Jalen Carter is such an enigma with where he will be drafted this year, but i have to think the Eagles are in as good of shape as any if they really like the kid. Dom does well with looking at backgrounds, Eagles front office and Siriani do a good job of prioritizing character and personalities, and i have to think there are few in the league who can give some insight on the kid like Dean and Davis can. add in the veterans on the DL, and if the Eagles like the talent enough i can see them jumping on him at 10.

2) the Bijan Robinson is so funny, no chance the Eagles reach for the kid (if he somehow falls to the 2nd round maybe they take a chance). Connecting the kid to Dallas with his Texas connection and the fact that they grabbed Zeke so high when they did, makes it possible the Cowboys could grab him in the 1st round. my 2 cents, i am happy the Eagles don't fall into traps of thinking drafting a RB in the 1st round is good use of draft capital

3) i think the chance of the Eagles picking twice in the 1st as less then 33%. Just seems like they move one to go up or down, or look to get some value in future drafts. i know they will have a lot of picks next year with comp picks, so i don't know if they will look to add any more. I also wouldn't rule out a trade for a valuable piece on a current team....

with that possibility, i think more and more that the Eagles have to be looking closely at the OTs in this draft, and the next 1-2 years of how the prospects look. I have to think that takes priority over almost any other position considering their lack of depth now at OT. i don't know if they feel any of the top OTs are special enough to take at 10 this year, so it will be interesting. i have to think Lane gave some thoughts on how much longer he may play to Howie when he redid his contract, so i think the Eagles are planning this out. the fact they let Dillard walk (the money was good though, so can't blame them), makes me think Lane is around for at least more than this year. Maybe the Eagles take a high quality project like they did with Landon and Cam

i do think they prioritize offense. OL seems to stand out. possibly TE but this draft has a lot of good TEs so they can take that later. I just don't think they go away from prioritizing the offense in the this draft, unless a blue chip talent like Dean or something falls again in any non-1st round.

I'm with ya on most of these points.

1. Carter is my #1 guy I want the Birds to draft. I agree with all you said about background. If you *really* want to know his character, just ask the guy that played next to him for 2 years in Jordan Davis. I actually don't think he makes it to 10 in all seriousness. I could see a scenario where we move up to 7 to get him and then also trade down from 30 to get more picks.

2. With that said, wouldn't it be a dream to be able to get Carter AND Bijan? Haha I know a lot of people are in the "don't take a RB early" mold these days, but this guy is special special. If he is there past pick 19 I could see a scenario in play where we could move up. No way he makes it all the way to 30 IMHO. Someone, like you said, especially Dallas will take him.

3. I'm with ya here. I don't see a scenario where we actually make 2 picks. We have a projected 12 next year, but why not try to get more if the value is there? If Carter/Wilson/Anderson are all gone before we pick at 10, the dream scenario to me is one of the 4 QB's still being on the board and us being able to move down for a significant haul.

OTs- I just don't see us taking a guy with short arms like Skoronski super high. Not to have him play guard and also have Jurgens on the bench for 2 years. Howie and the Eagles seem too smart with their picks to let any high draft pick sit on the bench for half their rookie contact. I can see a scenario where we take one in round 2 or 3, or just wait for June cuts to come around and find a viable backup/swing guy. I am not a fan of our depth at OT at all, so somethings gotta give.

As far as offense, we gotta get a new 3rd WR to at least challenge Quez. I could see a scenario where we take one of the higher rated Tight Ends and try to use he/Goedert in a "BIG SLOT" role until we get this figured out.

Draft can't come soon enough!!

 

[DJackson10]

Budda Baker of ARZ Safety has requested a trade. 2 yrs on contract but big cap hit. Could see the Eagles taking a chance if noone bites and they need to sell low

 

[DJackson10]

predicting the draft is always a crap shoot especially with Howie not being scared to make some trades. With that though, i think there are some things we can rationally deduce:

1) Jalen Carter is such an enigma with where he will be drafted this year, but i have to think the Eagles are in as good of shape as any if they really like the kid. Dom does well with looking at backgrounds, Eagles front office and Siriani do a good job of prioritizing character and personalities, and i have to think there are few in the league who can give some insight on the kid like Dean and Davis can. add in the veterans on the DL, and if the Eagles like the talent enough i can see them jumping on him at 10.

2) the Bijan Robinson is so funny, no chance the Eagles reach for the kid (if he somehow falls to the 2nd round maybe they take a chance). Connecting the kid to Dallas with his Texas connection and the fact that they grabbed Zeke so high when they did, makes it possible the Cowboys could grab him in the 1st round. my 2 cents, i am happy the Eagles don't fall into traps of thinking drafting a RB in the 1st round is good use of draft capital

3) i think the chance of the Eagles picking twice in the 1st as less then 33%. Just seems like they move one to go up or down, or look to get some value in future drafts. i know they will have a lot of picks next year with comp picks, so i don't know if they will look to add any more. I also wouldn't rule out a trade for a valuable piece on a current team....

with that possibility, i think more and more that the Eagles have to be looking closely at the OTs in this draft, and the next 1-2 years of how the prospects look. I have to think that takes priority over almost any other position considering their lack of depth now at OT. i don't know if they feel any of the top OTs are special enough to take at 10 this year, so it will be interesting. i have to think Lane gave some thoughts on how much longer he may play to Howie when he redid his contract, so i think the Eagles are planning this out. the fact they let Dillard walk (the money was good though, so can't blame them), makes me think Lane is around for at least more than this year. Maybe the Eagles take a high quality project like they did with Landon and Cam

i do think they prioritize offense. OL seems to stand out. possibly TE but this draft has a lot of good TEs so they can take that later. I just don't think they go away from prioritizing the offense in the this draft, unless a blue chip talent like Dean or something falls again in any non-1st round.

1. I don't think the Eagles take Carter. He's the opposite of what Sirianni wants in his guys. Winners who want to compete and Carter seems like a guy who wants things handed to him now. I don't think it's unreasonable if he dropped out of the 1st round they take a shot at him

2. Its really funny how everyone says we are taking Bijan. Its mostly a hot take and people saying it's our only need. Wrong. We lack depth at safety, CB, LB, both OL/DL and need a #3 WR. Plus it's a waste of economical resources to spend a 1st on a position that has the shortest shelf life of any position in the nFL. I remember when a lot of folks wanted us to take Zeke over Wentz/Goff. I'm happy we took Wentz. I doubt we ever win a SB if we had Zeke and Wentz was integral to the SB run despite some people not wanting to give the dude any credit for that what so ever.

3. I think we use one of the 1st. I can see us trading back depending on where we trade back first with the first pick at least twice. I think we have multiple guys we like and I think depending how the draft falls they could feel their guy/s can still be had moving down and taking a lesser rookie cap hit on the player. I think we trade out of the other pick or use that in a trade like we did AJ Brown last year. I do think despite all the picks next year they'd like to get a guaranteed higher pick/s like 1st and 2nd round next year in there.

4. I think they will take a an OL. I don't see them taking Skorinski and I also don't see them going for the Iowa edge guy who has never started a game. You want an edge guy you get Nolan Smith who is similar to Reddick and he can learn and play with. 2 OLs to keep an eye on late 1st early 2nd is O'Cyrus Torrence G from FL and Cody Mauch from North Dakota State. Mauch is mauler . Torrence was one of the best bright area's to a still not great Florida OL and was a transferred from LA Tech where Napier the coach was before.

 

[renesauz]

predicting the draft is always a crap shoot especially with Howie not being scared to make some trades. With that though, i think there are some things we can rationally deduce:

1) Jalen Carter is such an enigma with where he will be drafted this year, but i have to think the Eagles are in as good of shape as any if they really like the kid. Dom does well with looking at backgrounds, Eagles front office and Siriani do a good job of prioritizing character and personalities, and i have to think there are few in the league who can give some insight on the kid like Dean and Davis can. add in the veterans on the DL, and if the Eagles like the talent enough i can see them jumping on him at 10.

2) the Bijan Robinson is so funny, no chance the Eagles reach for the kid (if he somehow falls to the 2nd round maybe they take a chance). Connecting the kid to Dallas with his Texas connection and the fact that they grabbed Zeke so high when they did, makes it possible the Cowboys could grab him in the 1st round. my 2 cents, i am happy the Eagles don't fall into traps of thinking drafting a RB in the 1st round is good use of draft capital

3) i think the chance of the Eagles picking twice in the 1st as less then 33%. Just seems like they move one to go up or down, or look to get some value in future drafts. i know they will have a lot of picks next year with comp picks, so i don't know if they will look to add any more. I also wouldn't rule out a trade for a valuable piece on a current team....

with that possibility, i think more and more that the Eagles have to be looking closely at the OTs in this draft, and the next 1-2 years of how the prospects look. I have to think that takes priority over almost any other position considering their lack of depth now at OT. i don't know if they feel any of the top OTs are special enough to take at 10 this year, so it will be interesting. i have to think Lane gave some thoughts on how much longer he may play to Howie when he redid his contract, so i think the Eagles are planning this out. the fact they let Dillard walk (the money was good though, so can't blame them), makes me think Lane is around for at least more than this year. Maybe the Eagles take a high quality project like they did with Landon and Cam

i do think they prioritize offense. OL seems to stand out. possibly TE but this draft has a lot of good TEs so they can take that later. I just don't think they go away from prioritizing the offense in the this draft, unless a blue chip talent like Dean or something falls again in any non-1st round.

I'm not so sure that a GOOD RB late in the first is a bad idea. The fifth year option at RB is still fairly cheap. If Robinson is there late first, I'd be fine taking him. Not at 10 though

 

[need2know]

Man baker would be awesome. Is it possible? What an upgrade to the safety spot. Work your magic howie!

 

[The Noid]

Man baker would be awesome. Is it possible? What an upgrade to the safety spot. Work your magic howie!

Not happening. In 2023 and 2024 he's already due to make almost double what we offered CJGJ (and is 2 years older), plus the reason he's being traded is because he wants a long-term contract with a raise. No way Howie gives up draft picks to take on all that.

 

[DJackson10]

Reports are RB Dalvin Cook might be released close to the draft if he can't work an extension out with Minn. I'd take Cook in a heartbeat even over Robinson. A lot of the experts saying Cook on the Eagles is a dream scenario for them

 

[The Noid]

5yr, $51M per year extension for Hurts ($255M total, $179M guaranteed), with a no trade clause (first time the Eagles have done that.)

Cap implications TBD, but at first glance this is more favorable to the team. QB market resets every year or two and those last few years (2026-2028) at $51M might be 75% what top QBs are getting then. But because he's so young, he'll still just be turning 30 then and could still cash in again.

 

[efactor]

5yr, $51M per year extension for Hurts ($255M total, $179M guaranteed), with a no trade clause (first time the Eagles have done that.)

Wow!

Good for him. He can pretty much do whatever he wants the rest of his life after football.

 

[ChiefD]

5yr, $51M per year extension for Hurts ($255M total, $179M guaranteed), with a no trade clause (first time the Eagles have done that.)

Cap implications TBD, but at first glance this is more favorable to the team. QB market resets every year or two and those last few years (2026-2028) at $51M might be 75% what top QBs are getting then.

Good for him and the Eagles for getting this done.

I like Hurts.