Drunken Cowboy
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Smith at 32 is a real target. Tuner or Oluwatimi at 120 makes sense
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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (5 Viewers)
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steelers1080
Footballguy
I think it would be two-fold. 1, if their D-line/front 4/5 are able to keep Bush clean so he doesn't have to shed blocks. And 2, if he gets his confidence back to act more instinctually. His speed never really flashed post-ACL. It could be because he's not capable anymore, or it could be a mental block. Taking an extra second or 2 to make a decision and ending up behind the play/out of position.
He had the raw talent coming out of College, it's possible a new coaching staff could tap it better than we did.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Updated with most recent information:
- ~$10 million in cap space after cutting William Jackson III
- ~$17 mil after cutting Myles Jack
- ~$27 mil after Minkah Restructure
- Patrick Peterson ($3.4 mil after displacement)
- Demontae Kazee ($1.2 mil, confirmed)
- Nate Herbig ($1.7 mil, after displacement)
- Elandon Roberts ($1.5 mil, after displacement)
- Cole Holcomb (First year cap hit ~$3 mil, ~$2 mil after displacement)
- Larry O: Release information, pays $21.75 mil in first 2 years, $29 total
- Based on that, I would assume that some of the $21.75 is the signing bonus, spread over the 3 years, and some is base salary for each of the first 2 years.
- I wouldn't be shocked if it was a base salary of ~$2-3 mil in year 1 and a signing bonus of ~$12 million. That would mean a cap hit of $6-7 million in year 1.
- Year 2 would be a base salary of ~$6-7 mil, cap hit of $10-11 mil.
- Year 3 would be base salary of $7-9 mil, with a cap hit of $11 - 13 mil. The final year he could be cut for cap savings of $7-9 with a dead cap of $4.
We still have a lot of options to open up more cap, especially depending on who we get in the draft.
- Witherspoon: If we take a CB 1st I'd expect Witherspoon to probably be cut. $4 mil in cap savings
- TJ Watt: Can be restructured to open up $13 mil in cap space.
- Gunner: If Calvin Austin is healthy, I'd assume Gunner will be cut to save $2 mil in cap savings.
- Cam Heyward: Cam has a cap hit of $22.2 mil and a base salary of $15.8 mil. He could be restructured to open up ~$5+ mil. But I'd rather extend him. If we extend Cam 2 years, we can free up $10+ mil in cap space if we want, and ensure Cam retires a Steeler. I 100% want this to happen.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Excellent work as always @steelers1080
I think it would be wise to be careful with restructuring TJ and Cam because the more you kick the can down the road, the more that cap hit will grow higher later. This is not a team in a win-now mode, and they should be thinking more long term.
I think it would be wise to be careful with restructuring TJ and Cam because the more you kick the can down the road, the more that cap hit will grow higher later. This is not a team in a win-now mode, and they should be thinking more long term.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Hearing a couple ex-eagles are in the cross hairs
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Steelers signed Isaac Seumalo. PFF had him as the 4th best reigning FA, and PFN had him at #3
While on the surface it may seem like anyone could accomplish that task, Seumalo isn’t a scrub set between two Hall of Fame players. He’s a strong, consistent blocker who has only been held back because of injuries in 2020 and 2021.
3) Isaac Seumalo, G
Isaac Seumalo has struggled to stay on the field because of injuries throughout his seven-year career. The former third-round pick in the 2016 NFL Draft has experience at both guard spots during his time with Philadelphia but had a career year blocking on the right side between Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce.While on the surface it may seem like anyone could accomplish that task, Seumalo isn’t a scrub set between two Hall of Fame players. He’s a strong, consistent blocker who has only been held back because of injuries in 2020 and 2021.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
ESPN
A technically sound blocker at 6-foot-4, 303 pounds, Seumalo has the foot quickness to redirect defenders. He has the body control to wrestle back against power rushers and create a firm base in the pocket. He had a pass block win rate of 93.6% last season, which ranked 15th among all guards, and his 72.6% run block win rate ranked 20th.
A technically sound blocker at 6-foot-4, 303 pounds, Seumalo has the foot quickness to redirect defenders. He has the body control to wrestle back against power rushers and create a firm base in the pocket. He had a pass block win rate of 93.6% last season, which ranked 15th among all guards, and his 72.6% run block win rate ranked 20th.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
That's a better signing. He bounced back last year and played good for PHI.
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Isaac Seumalo is going to be a valuable addition for Pickett. Few linemen in the NFL can see the play happening and diagnose intent before the ball is ever snapped like he can, and one of them just happened to play next to him so he rarely got the credit he deserved.
If you watch the EZ copy of their film without the noise distracting from the play, you can see Isaac was sorting out front looks almost as much as Kelce did. He's an excellent technician & great mover in space, but his football IQ is his greatest asset and what makes him unique.
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Isaac Seumalo is going to be a valuable addition for Pickett. Few linemen in the NFL can see the play happening and diagnose intent before the ball is ever snapped like he can, and one of them just happened to play next to him so he rarely got the credit he deserved.
If you watch the EZ copy of their film without the noise distracting from the play, you can see Isaac was sorting out front looks almost as much as Kelce did. He's an excellent technician & great mover in space, but his football IQ is his greatest asset and what makes him unique.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Probably no interior oline in draft now. prayers that they dont go Addison at 17
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Who's the other one? Gardner-Johnson?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Nobody significant
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
I laughed
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I have no idea what they are doing. Interior OL is so far down the priority for team building and is not really an issue. High priced 30 year old free agents are really not a smart move
Grid71
Footballguy
Weidl appears to be putting emphasis on high football IQ players and winning in the trenches. Trying to build an Eagles model taking advantage of rookie contract QB.
Broderick Jones, Dawand Jones, and Darnell Wright fit that mold. Intelligent and extremely effective in the run game. Bring back a punishing line capable of taking over a game.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Hearing the like Banks more than Porter.
Grid71
Footballguy
Interesting. Thought the Steelers wanted cornerbacks who can play press man to disrupt timing. Banks is fast, fluid and very good tackler. Cover 3 ace with good vision too.
Kelee Ringo is another top notch cover 3 corner.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Who knows. Information has been 50-50 of late. But that Seumalo signing was precise.
Grid71
Footballguy
Your information is excellent and trumps my gut 100. Thank you for sharing @Leeroy Jenkins
steelers1080
Footballguy
Doesn't surprise me. I think Banks will be more versatile. Porter is very talented, but I think the main reason people tied him to the Steelers was just because of his father.
With the deep CB class it wouldn't shock me if they waited til 32 to pick one, but likewise, they could just use this opportunity to double dip at 1 and a later pick.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Porter is way better than Banks on the field. I would be shocked if they took Banks over Porter, but Porter is 50/50 at best to be there at 17. Banks is a likely pick.
There are a lot of corners in this class, but there is a huge drop after Porter/Witherspoon/Gonzalez and Banks is ahead of everyone else by a bit
There are a lot of corners in this class, but there is a huge drop after Porter/Witherspoon/Gonzalez and Banks is ahead of everyone else by a bit
he is, but he played this season at 20 years old (turned 21 on 12/31/22) he may very well develop into his grown man body over the next couple years.
although Sanders is not nearly as fast and powerful, interestingly, Micah Parsons also had his breakout season at age 20. here's how their #'s compare.
Tackles Tklsforloss Sacks PassDef FF Int G
109 14 5 5 4 - 13 Parsons
103 13.5 9.5 5 3 1 12 Sanders (in the SEC)
i like him. he doesn't have to start this year. sorry, had that formatted real pretty but it changed when posted.
modogg
Footballguy
He will be missed in Philly for sure. Guy is under-rated and an OL with high IQ. O Lu reason eagles didn’t re-sign him is because they drafted OL last year and it would have been bad to have him sit on the bench for 2 years in a row and waste his rookie contract.
Only down side I would say is don’t look forward to his interviews. Guy hates talking with media (not in a mean way, just isn’t his thing at all)
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Thanks for the info. The media thing probably isn’t a big deal because I’m not sure how often an offensive lineman is talking to the media anyways
modogg
Footballguy
yeah it is more of a funny thing with him. Teammates all loved him, and it probably became a bit of a story with a guy like Kelce on the team to compare to.
Bracie Smathers
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Jim Nagy
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alum & potential first-round EDGE Derick Hall posted good agility times (4.14 SS, 7.21 3C) and impressed NFL scouts w/ incredible stamina going thru two full position workouts at DL & LB conducted by coaches from BAL, CIN, DAL, NO, & NYJ.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Broncos removed tender from Corliss Waitman after signing the Rams punter. I think the Steelers should definitely bring him in to compete with Harvin again. That could be an easy upgrade.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If the top 3 tackles are gone, I think it is Banks or Addison at #17 . . . .
steelers1080
Footballguy
You think Addison and not JSN?
crushedspirit
Footballguy
So Edmunds is tweeting his goodbye already?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sounds like they like Addison. They are looking to make some trades potentially, including trading down from 17.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sounds like it. Battle in the 3rd or 4th?
Grid71
Footballguy
Thumbs up for the info and really like the trade down consideration. Better to slide back for more picks if the high value targets aren’t there.
Addison for Pickett would make my head explode. The best we can do at 17 is a 170 lb receiver with 21 drops in two seasons with KP? He’s not physical so a liability in run support. Great route runner but only with a free release. This is the polar opposite of what the team needs. Please trade back or “reach” for anyone in the trenches.
Throwing another first round pick away to chase down the Pickett rabbit hole makes me cringe. Team needs to build up the trenches. So many better options.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Branch from Alabama.
Addison would be even more stupid than Burns or Bush as a first rd pick.
steelers1080
Footballguy
This comment is clearly from someone who does not remember Artie Burns, or has some rose colored glasses. You're projecting that Addison won't even be able to start or contribute to this team in any meaningful manner? Addison would AT WORST be WR3, probably WR2 in 2024 if we don't re-sign Diontae, which is still a starter. You could make the argument about Bush, maybe, but Burns? C'mon.
steelers1080
Footballguy
It sounds like all the QBs will be well gone before 17 at this point. What are people going to be trading up for? Best guess is maybe WR, Edge, or CB? I think a trade down into the 20's nets us an extra 3rd at best, but if it causes us to miss out on one of the top CBs or OTs I'd be surprised if they accept.
Also, this is a real weak S class, lots of Steelers fans seem sold on Branch after Edmunds announced he's leaving, but I'd pass on the best S in a bad class. Take a top 3-5 player in a strong class at CB instead.
Any thoughts on Forbes? He's undersized but was a big playmaker in college. Could be good or could be senquez golson 2.0...
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I agree.
All I can say is that I hope some of the stuff I am hearing turns out to be wrong. There was a trade for ramsay that I was told about that was way more valuable than what the Rams got for him -- so not everything that I am hearing is accurate. But other things have been right on point.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
No Tomlin or Khan at PSU today. Weidl and Austin are there though.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
He doesn't need to meet Joey Porter
steelers1080
Footballguy
Edmunds and Sims signed very cheap contracts. Looks like Edmunds 1-year contract is less than he made last year with the Steelers. I guess either the team wanted to move on, or the players wanted a change in scenery.
Also, I don't think I've heard it many places, but I wonder if Peterson could be used partially as Edmunds replacement. He was used as a roamer last year and created a lot of turnovers. Most of the Steelers talking heads are now fixated on Branch. Is Branch a great player? I've heard a lot that the safety class this year is not good, and that he looks like a nickel/free safety, which Minkah is already our Free Safety.
I'm still more convinced that the Steelers go CB/OT/Linebacker in the 1st, Outside or Inside. If Jalen Carter reaches 9, could AW convince the rest to trade up in front of Philly? He's got character concerns, but it feels like if anyone could help him become the best player/man he could be, it would be Cam & Tomlin.
Also, I don't think I've heard it many places, but I wonder if Peterson could be used partially as Edmunds replacement. He was used as a roamer last year and created a lot of turnovers. Most of the Steelers talking heads are now fixated on Branch. Is Branch a great player? I've heard a lot that the safety class this year is not good, and that he looks like a nickel/free safety, which Minkah is already our Free Safety.
I'm still more convinced that the Steelers go CB/OT/Linebacker in the 1st, Outside or Inside. If Jalen Carter reaches 9, could AW convince the rest to trade up in front of Philly? He's got character concerns, but it feels like if anyone could help him become the best player/man he could be, it would be Cam & Tomlin.
Grid71
Footballguy
Brian Branch is the outlier at safety with a high first round grade. Knocks, he is not the fastest or most athletic. He shines near the LOS. Leader, instinctive, savvy, versatile and a tackling machine. Fearless tackler. Would make a great chess piece on defense and free up Minkah to focus more on coverage. Fits right in with the recent FA signings. Cerebral, instinctive and leadership qualities
Branch would make a great pick at 17.
Branch would make a great pick at 17.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Thanks, I just kept hearing how the safety class was weak and no real positives about Branch other than, Safety gone we need a new safety.
If top 3 CB or OT is there, still feels like a greater need to me, but wouldn't hate the pick if all that is true.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
My guess is that our first rounder is either Broderick Jones, Banks, or Addison, depending on how the draft falls and any pre-draft or draft-day trades.
Grid71
Footballguy
Tomlin comments can be interpreted as Banks being a target. Peterson is the perfect mentor for grooming a young cornerback.
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ESPN Banks description
“If you were drafting on traits and the belief you can develop a cornerback ... Banks is your guy," said one NFC scout. "He's the fastest of the Round 1 guys, but he has really good size and really good quickness." …
"The lack of production bothers you a little bit, and he's more of a speed guy than a technician right now, but his upside is super high," said another NFC scout. Banks is expected to come off the board somewhere between pick No. 20 and the end of the first round.
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ESPN Banks description
“If you were drafting on traits and the belief you can develop a cornerback ... Banks is your guy," said one NFC scout. "He's the fastest of the Round 1 guys, but he has really good size and really good quickness." …
"The lack of production bothers you a little bit, and he's more of a speed guy than a technician right now, but his upside is super high," said another NFC scout. Banks is expected to come off the board somewhere between pick No. 20 and the end of the first round.
steelcityman
Footballguy
No, it would be as stupid a pick. Steelers need Addison zero percent, Burns was a stupid pick, for a different reason. If Addison was from Utah or Texas, no one would mention his name around Pittsburgh.
There are about 7 OT and CB combined I think they would love to have, maybe 8. Picking at 17 they should get one, or Branch at safety.
If people are so excited to get Addison, why not take Flowers, who is better? Why settle for a guy cause he played a Pitt?
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