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2023 San Francisco 49ers - 49ers announce multi year extensions for John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan (2 Viewers)

Adding together Bosa’s injury history and our team’s injury luck, plus him missing every practice for the last 8 months… I’m betting he will promptly tear an ACL as soon as he signs anyway.
I know this is half serious, half joking, but I def have the same worries.

Even worse, it’ll happen in a meaningless game like against AZ.

And never be the same again...that's what always seems to happen

Well, he's already tore both ACLs and they're supposedly stronger than they were pre injury, but I get the point. It'd probably be a torn pec or groin or something.

That said...let's not forget the TJ Watt situation in 2021. He signed 2 days before the season opener against Buffalo and had 2 sacks, a forced fumble, and 5 QB hits. So they're is still hope that Bosa can sign at the last minute and still play and have an impact.

Bosa pulling a Watt against the Steelers would be pretty epic.
 
Would be nice if he’d sign. I’m definitely worried about week 1.
I can totally see us losing week 1 regardless if Bosa is there or not. We're just slow starters, and Pittsburgh's defense is really good with a relentless pass rush. Last 2 seasons we started 3-4 and 2-4 and made the NFCCG. If we drop week 1, we will be fine. The next 4 are all home games: @ Rams, then 3 in Santa Clara vs Giants, Cardinals, and Cowboys. I see 2-2 at worst, prob 3-1 after the first 4 weeks.

I like the Steelers week 1

-mostly because it's a 1:00 game, they fly East, will feel like 10am for them.
-Also think the Niners are in a little bit of disarray, may not know who they truly are yet in 2023, that doesn't mean i think they won't be players for the NFC Title
Just not that optimistic about them in Week 1, please don't take it personally, I admire the Niners fan base on this forum

Good Luck, no problem when you spike it in my face
Cheers!

Great line Wingnut, I laughed.

Whether or not Bosa signs this week, we're in for a dogfight Sunday. If SF can escape with a win of any kind I'll be extremely relieved and pleased.

Agree 2-2 is a distinct possibility to start, and 3-1 would feel like a real strong start to me.
 
It wouldnt be a terrible thing if they trade Bosa. His contract is gonna cripple this team like Aaron Donald's deal did and we have too many other guys were gonna have to pay. Guys like Brady, Kelce, etc take less money because they like winning. Maybe Bosa needs to be on a bad team to realize how good he has it in SF.

Aaron Donald's deal isn't crippling the Rams. They have $74M in dead money this year. The problem for the Rams is they haven't had a 1st round pick since Jared Goff in 2016 and haven't done a good job with the picks they didn't trade.

Normally I would agree that trading a high-priced player and using the money to build depth would make sense, but Bosa was so much better than the next guy in SF at getting pressure on the QB that I don't think he's replaceable.
 
It wouldnt be a terrible thing if they trade Bosa. His contract is gonna cripple this team like Aaron Donald's deal did and we have too many other guys were gonna have to pay. Guys like Brady, Kelce, etc take less money because they like winning. Maybe Bosa needs to be on a bad team to realize how good he has it in SF.
Totally disagree. Trading Bosa would be a friggin Greek tragedy. Not only is he a great pass rusher, he's also good against the run. The one irreplaceable piece of the 49ers defense.

And no, he shouldn't take a discount. It's a business and Brady and to a point Kelce make it up in outside income. Not everyone wants to do that so he deserves to be paid what he is worth for his performance on the field.
 
I know he won't be traded, I just think if it came to that I'd be fine with it. I cant stand when players reject offers that are more than fair - and in this case, record breaking - to try and squeeze every last dollar they can out of it.

Just be filthy rich and play or GTFO.
 
he deserves to be paid what he is worth for his performance on the field.
Reports are that the current offer is over $31 mil/year. I'd say that offer is on par for what hes worth, he would be the highest paid DE ever. People acting like the 49ers have a lock on their wallet. They're breaking the bank with their offer.
 
he deserves to be paid what he is worth for his performance on the field.
Reports are that the current offer is over $31 mil/year. I'd say that offer is on par for what hes worth, he would be the highest paid DE ever. People acting like the 49ers have a lock on their wallet. They're breaking the bank with their offer.
The devil is in the details in these contracts. One of the parties (maybe Bosa, maybe SF) may be taking what we might consider to be an unreasonable stance on guaranteed money, bonus structure, etc. It logically would seem that if SF is willing to make him the highest paid DE ever, there should be room for a compromise, but something weird must be going on here that we haven't heard reported.
 
Bottom line is they knew what is was gonna take, and they haven't figured it out yet. They've had PLENTY of time this offseason to get it done.

Don't get me wrong, I want Bosa here, but this is just stupid.

I still think we can still start 3-1, even without him, which is almost a quarter of the season. Weeks 5 thru 14 is where we're gonna have to win some big games.
 
From theAthletic:

How the 49ers misplayed the Nick Bosa situation and why it's time to break all precedents

There are realistic boundaries for what the 49ers can pay Bosa. They have a stacked roster full of players with large cap hits or soon-to-be-large cap hits. The front office has continued to acquire excellent players even through the cap squeeze, which only tightens everything. Smart teams negotiate hard, even with their best players, because every cap dollar saved can be used elsewhere. And the 49ers have certainly negotiated hard over the years, mostly without causing rancor or distrust. The proof is in the roster.

But even if Bosa is asking for the moon, stars and a few extra galaxies, I guarantee there would be three or four teams raising their hands to pay it — and trade the 49ers a ton of draft picks — if the 49ers decide they won’t meet Bosa’s price. That’s what happened with the 49ers and DeForest Buckner in the 2020 offseason and the Colts agreed to the trade and a new contract for Buckner in about 20 seconds. And the 49ers don’t want to be the kind of team that has to do this twice.

The 49ers want to be a team that wins Super Bowls, and Jed York wants to be known as the owner who is willing to pay what it takes to do that. York has paid extravagantly for this roster. So it would be silly to draw the line — after paying Deebo and blowing apart the tight-end market for George Kittle and topping the market for Trent Williams and adding McCaffrey and trading away Trey Lance because a win-now team can’t take the time to develop a young QB, even as a third-stringer — at a new Bosa deal.

If paying Bosa what he wants — say, guaranteeing $120 million, which would be $46 million more than the 49ers have previously guaranteed any player (Jimmy Garoppolo got $74 million in guarantees in his 2018 deal) — breaks the 49ers’ moderate precedent for non-QBs and sets up a line of players demanding larger guarantees, so what? You can reset the precedent with them after the Bosa Exception. That’s the way it goes when you’re chasing a Super Bowl and Bosa isn’t budging.

If it takes Shanahan and Lynch telling York or executive vice president Paraag Marathe that it’s time to stand down on this one, that should’ve happened a few weeks ago. If it means the 49ers might have to shed two or three big contracts in the near future for cap reasons, that’s just the way it goes when the NFL Defensive Player of the Year is holding out. If York has to go deeper into his coffers than he wants, well, the 49ers make enormous profits every year. If things have to get uncomfortable for the 49ers, that’s actually how they should’ve approached this in the first place.

This probably always was going to be a nervous deal for the 49ers. Maybe a bit of a scary deal. Certainly an unprecedented one. But York, Lynch and Shanahan shouldn’t be surprised by any of this. This is the business they’re in.

And if the cost of keeping Nick Bosa is too much, what’s the point of all this, anyway?

 
Bottom line is they knew what is was gonna take, and they haven't figured it out yet. They've had PLENTY of time this offseason to get it done.

Don't get me wrong, I want Bosa here, but this is just stupid.

I still think we can still start 3-1, even without him, which is almost a quarter of the season. Weeks 5 thru 14 is where we're gonna have to win some big games.

I think you underestimate how much Bosa makes the other mediocre guys better. Him not being there is a huge loss to the dline

I'm going to edit to add as well is that Bosa makes the DBs not look incompetent as well. They are going to get absolutely eaten alive with a lack of pressure
 
Bottom line is they knew what is was gonna take, and they haven't figured it out yet. They've had PLENTY of time this offseason to get it done.

Don't get me wrong, I want Bosa here, but this is just stupid.

I still think we can still start 3-1, even without him, which is almost a quarter of the season. Weeks 5 thru 14 is where we're gonna have to win some big games.

I think you underestimate how much Bosa makes the other mediocre guys better. Him not being there is a huge loss to the dline

I'm going to edit to add as well is that Bosa makes the DBs not look incompetent as well. They are going to get absolutely eaten alive with a lack of pressure
Yep, this Steelers game is going to be a problem. I can see the Steelers putting up some points on this defense sans Bosa, and putting Purdy in unfavorable passing situations with a new RT against an elite pass rushing unit (maybe Kittle out as well?). If SF loses like 24-6 I would not be stunned.
 
I think having Hargrave next to Armstead on the interior DL is gonna soften the blow if Bosa doesn't play Week 1. He's gonna be what Kinlaw was supposed to be.

It just means pressure is gonna have to either come from the middle, or if Armstead or Hargrave get doubled, it could free the edge guys (Ferrell, Jackson, Hyder, Bryant) for potential disruption in the backfield.

I can see Wilks dialing up some pretty nice blitzes and Warner getting the first sack of the season.

Flip a coin week 1.
 
Bottom line is they knew what is was gonna take, and they haven't figured it out yet. They've had PLENTY of time this offseason to get it done.

Don't get me wrong, I want Bosa here, but this is just stupid.

I still think we can still start 3-1, even without him, which is almost a quarter of the season. Weeks 5 thru 14 is where we're gonna have to win some big games.

I think you underestimate how much Bosa makes the other mediocre guys better. Him not being there is a huge loss to the dline

I'm going to edit to add as well is that Bosa makes the DBs not look incompetent as well. They are going to get absolutely eaten alive with a lack of pressure
Yep, this Steelers game is going to be a problem. I can see the Steelers putting up some points on this defense sans Bosa, and putting Purdy in unfavorable passing situations with a new RT against an elite pass rushing unit (maybe Kittle out as well?). If SF loses like 24-6 I would not be stunned.

I think the DBs are weak and i agree without pressure pitt has the potential to really put up some points with some very talented wrs

Good chance purdy gets crushed as well

I wouldn't be stunned either
 
I think having Hargrave next to Armstead on the interior DL is gonna soften the blow if Bosa doesn't play Week 1. He's gonna be what Kinlaw was supposed to be.

It just means pressure is gonna have to either come from the middle, or if Armstead or Hargrave get doubled, it could free the edge guys (Ferrell, Jackson, Hyder, Bryant) for potential disruption in the backfield.

I can see Wilks dialing up some pretty nice blitzes and Warner getting the first sack of the season.

Flip a coin week 1.
Are you at all worried about the transition from Ryans to Wilks? The defensive metrics of the teams the latter was DC or HC for were not good, though of course personnel may have something to do with that
 
Bottom line is they knew what is was gonna take, and they haven't figured it out yet. They've had PLENTY of time this offseason to get it done.

Don't get me wrong, I want Bosa here, but this is just stupid.

I still think we can still start 3-1, even without him, which is almost a quarter of the season. Weeks 5 thru 14 is where we're gonna have to win some big games.

I think you underestimate how much Bosa makes the other mediocre guys better. Him not being there is a huge loss to the dline

I'm going to edit to add as well is that Bosa makes the DBs not look incompetent as well. They are going to get absolutely eaten alive with a lack of pressure
Yep, this Steelers game is going to be a problem. I can see the Steelers putting up some points on this defense sans Bosa, and putting Purdy in unfavorable passing situations with a new RT against an elite pass rushing unit (maybe Kittle out as well?). If SF loses like 24-6 I would not be stunned.
:lol:

You don't need Bosa when CMac is unstoppable. Unless Pickett morphed into Brady this offseason this is an easy double digit win.
 
I think having Hargrave next to Armstead on the interior DL is gonna soften the blow if Bosa doesn't play Week 1. He's gonna be what Kinlaw was supposed to be.

It just means pressure is gonna have to either come from the middle, or if Armstead or Hargrave get doubled, it could free the edge guys (Ferrell, Jackson, Hyder, Bryant) for potential disruption in the backfield.

I can see Wilks dialing up some pretty nice blitzes and Warner getting the first sack of the season.

Flip a coin week 1.
Are you at all worried about the transition from Ryans to Wilks? The defensive metrics of the teams the latter was DC or HC for were not good, though of course personnel may have something to do with that

A little, yes. I'm not sold on him yet.
 
I think having Hargrave next to Armstead on the interior DL is gonna soften the blow if Bosa doesn't play Week 1. He's gonna be what Kinlaw was supposed to be.

It just means pressure is gonna have to either come from the middle, or if Armstead or Hargrave get doubled, it could free the edge guys (Ferrell, Jackson, Hyder, Bryant) for potential disruption in the backfield.

I can see Wilks dialing up some pretty nice blitzes and Warner getting the first sack of the season.

Flip a coin week 1.
Are you at all worried about the transition from Ryans to Wilks? The defensive metrics of the teams the latter was DC or HC for were not good, though of course personnel may have something to do with that
The defensive personnel has made the DCs look good over the last 4 years, not the other way around.
 
I think having Hargrave next to Armstead on the interior DL is gonna soften the blow if Bosa doesn't play Week 1. He's gonna be what Kinlaw was supposed to be.

It just means pressure is gonna have to either come from the middle, or if Armstead or Hargrave get doubled, it could free the edge guys (Ferrell, Jackson, Hyder, Bryant) for potential disruption in the backfield.

I can see Wilks dialing up some pretty nice blitzes and Warner getting the first sack of the season.

Flip a coin week 1.
Are you at all worried about the transition from Ryans to Wilks? The defensive metrics of the teams the latter was DC or HC for were not good, though of course personnel may have something to do with that
The defensive personnel has made the DCs look good over the last 4 years, not the other way around.
Hope you're right since I reached for the Niners D/ST in my main league
 
I think having Hargrave next to Armstead on the interior DL is gonna soften the blow if Bosa doesn't play Week 1. He's gonna be what Kinlaw was supposed to be.

It just means pressure is gonna have to either come from the middle, or if Armstead or Hargrave get doubled, it could free the edge guys (Ferrell, Jackson, Hyder, Bryant) for potential disruption in the backfield.

I can see Wilks dialing up some pretty nice blitzes and Warner getting the first sack of the season.

Flip a coin week 1.
Are you at all worried about the transition from Ryans to Wilks? The defensive metrics of the teams the latter was DC or HC for were not good, though of course personnel may have something to do with that
The defensive personnel has made the DCs look good over the last 4 years, not the other way around.
Hope you're right since I reached for the Niners D/ST in my main league
Better hope Bosa signs soon!
 
Flying into Pittsburgh tomorrow night for the weekend. Staying with my wife's friends in Mount Washington and going to the game Sunday. All Steeler fans of course. 🤮

Last time I saw the Niners play was week 12 in 2018 in Tampa, the 49ers were 2-8 going into that game due to the entire roster being on IR. We got crushed 27-9. Nick Mullens to Dante Pettis was the only SF TD that day. That crappy season is why we were able to draft Bosa in 2019.

Can't wait for Sunday, but I'm a little nervous what it's gonna feel like being a 49er fan in a sea of rabid, ruthless Steeler fans at Heinz Field Acrisure on opening day. Gonna be fun!!

:towelwave::football:
 
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The 49ers' 2023 team captains:

Arik Armstead
Brock Purdy
George Kittle
Deebo Samuel
Fred Warner
Trent Williams
 
Lombardi:

Nick Bosa will almost certainly for the 49ers against the Steelers on Sunday.

Kyle Shanahan: "He'd have to have a beer belly and be out of shape or something. And that's not in Bosa's DNA."
 
Barrows:

In 2019 Bosa (ankle) didn't practice until the Wednesday before the season opener. He had a sack and three QB hits in that game. I think it's safe to pencil him in for Sunday in Pittsburgh.
 
Lombardi

This 49ers' front office has an excellent track record of paying players top-line money to get deals done. They might be the first NFL regime ever to pay out 6 different position-record contracts (7 if count that Juszczyk has signed twice).

And until it's demonstrated otherwise, the 49ers are still salary-cap sustainable. We await the details of the Nick Bosa deal to confirm this.


and

The 49ers opened over $23m of 2023 cap space by restructuring George Kittle and Trent Williams today. That means:

-Nick Bosa’s deal might not be as backloaded as expected

and/or

-SF is gearing up to go absolutely all-in in 2023. That can be cap room to make splashy trades
 
Lombardi

This 49ers' front office has an excellent track record of paying players top-line money to get deals done. They might be the first NFL regime ever to pay out 6 different position-record contracts (7 if count that Juszczyk has signed twice).

And until it's demonstrated otherwise, the 49ers are still salary-cap sustainable. We await the details of the Nick Bosa deal to confirm this.


and

The 49ers opened over $23m of 2023 cap space by restructuring George Kittle and Trent Williams today. That means:

-Nick Bosa’s deal might not be as backloaded as expected

and/or

-SF is gearing up to go absolutely all-in in 2023. That can be cap room to make splashy trades
Seems like the Raiders may want to move Chandler Jones after he posted on twitter (X) that he didn't want to play for McDaniel. Would love to have another edge rusher
 
Link

WR DeAndre Hopkins told @GQMagazine that he reached out to the Giants, Lions, Cowboys, and 49ers during his free agency because they were on his "list."

He never got a call back from any of them.

On joining Tennessee: "I’m very grateful for where I am, I think I made the best decision."



Lol, he made the best "decision" because Tennessee was the only team interested 😂
 
AkashA:

Since 2019, the #49ers have the most road wins (23) in the NFC. They have the second-most road wins in the NFL, behind only the Chiefs.

They'll look to extend that streak into Pittsburgh on Sunday.
 
Lombardi:

YAC/reception, 2022:

1. 49ers: 6.6
....
32. Steelers: 3.9

In 2022 explosive play %, 49ers ranked #5 and Pittsburgh ranked #31. So it wasn't quite a first/worst disparity like YAC, but this also sets the stage for Sunday.

PIT must show marked improvement in setting up/delivering YAC on one end. Must disrupt SF's game on the other.



Unfortunately, the weather isn't gonna be favorable for a big YAC game. 80% chance of rain and thunderstorms. I can see CMC and Mitchell get 35 combined carries, and I bet Kyle has a bag of screen plays he will dip into often.
 
Schefter reveals how he believes Bosa deal got done:

I think what happened here is, ultimately, the two sides can negotiate all they want. They could feel they're far apart all they want. But I think in the end, Nick Bosa has to say, 'I want to be there for my team. It's important for me to be there with my guys. We've taken this far enough. Let's go and get this done.'

"And I think he gives a directive in the end, 'Hey, I'm taking this deal. It's a record deal. I'm the richest defensive player in NFL history, richest non-quarterback deal in NFL history.'"

So it would seem that Bosa eventually had enough of the long-drawn-out process. The defensive end wanted to end the stalemate and rejoin his teammates.

"'I'll take it from here,'" Schefter added. "That's exactly what Nick Bosa said."

 
These deals all get framed differently, depending on how the team/agent announces the details to the media. This one is being heralded as a 5 yr *extension* at $34 MM per. In reality, it rips up the one year remaining on his current contract, and creates a new 6-yr deal at $31.5 MM per. That's not a huge difference, I suppose, and still gets Bosa above Donald, but it's not as wild as I thought when I originally saw he moved the needle $4 MM past the 2nd highest paid defender on a per year basis. This is a great deal for Bosa, but it's not as far fetched as just the 'extension' portion suggests. Makes Maxx Crosby's $20 MM per year deal signed last offseason look like a huge bargain, but this is the market rate for the league's #1 defender.
 
We have salary cap wizards in the front office.

FieldYates:

The 49ers have restructured the contract of DL Arik Armstead, creating $11.78M in 2023 cap space, per source.

Even after signing Nick Bosa to the largest non-QB contract ever, the 49ers now have $41.5M in cap space to begin the regular season, by far the most in the NFL 🧐
 
Either they are front loading the guaranteed money Bosa’s deal or they are rolling a bunch of cap space into next year. The cap situation for next year is/was a disaster.
 
Either they are front loading the guaranteed money Bosa’s deal or they are rolling a bunch of cap space into next year. The cap situation for next year is/was a disaster.

Yep, they have some options now.

Link

The 49ers could be posturing for a potential move, via the trade market or free agency, or could be looking to push money back and carry it over into 2024, when they'll be facing several key decisions with some of their top personnel.
 
Either they are front loading the guaranteed money Bosa’s deal or they are rolling a bunch of cap space into next year. The cap situation for next year is/was a disaster.

Yep, they have some options now.

Link

The 49ers could be posturing for a potential move, via the trade market or free agency, or could be looking to push money back and carry it over into 2024, when they'll be facing several key decisions with some of their top personnel.
I don’t think they can add another significant player and salary this year without looking at Rams-style cap hell over the next couple years.
 
Lombardi:

49ers' salary-cap hits for Nick Bosa with the new contract. Bosa's $52m cap hit in 2027 is the second-largest of any non-QB behind Tyreek Hill's $56.3m in 2026:

2023: $11.01m
2024: $14.7m
2025: $20.5m
2026: $42m
2027: $52m
2028: $42.9m
2029 (void): $5.8m
 
My son was talking to me about Madden ratings today; Brock has basically the same ratings as Lance and Jimmy. Guy gets no respect despite coming in as a monster and not losing a game last season. Think he surprises a lot of people this season.
 

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