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2024-25 NBA Thread: “At least we have Brian Schottenheimer to look forward to” depressed Mavs fan says to himself (12 Viewers)

Report: Increased belief Durant lands with Warriors

I could see this happening as well. Suns gotta blow this up now. They're a jump shooting team that can't get to the hoop, can't rebound, doesn't defend and can't improve as 2nd apron/no one wanting Beal or Nurkic (only remote shot they've had to deal either is attaching 1sts....and no one's wanted to date). Load up on picks for Booker/Durant & hopefully get player(s) that can be part of rebuild.
How do KD and Draymond reconcile? Have they already?

Green was a douche to Durant at the end of his last run there. I thought they still had some animosity or at least an icy relationship.
 
Having now seen a couple Lakers posts...you guys are hilariously underselling this. Luka is probably one of the five best best (at this point in career, and maybe even third best) player ever to join the Lakers. Definitely behind Magic. I think behind Kareem. But LeBron was already past his prime, I'd take Luka over Wilt, and Luka has been better every season of his career than a rookie Kobe (or any Kobe year honestly).

Could he have some secret devastating leg thing and never materialize? Maybe.

But this guy is behind ONLY MICHAEL JORDAN on the playoffs scoring per game list. It's like him, Oscar, and LeBron for P/A/R averages.

He's so far and away the best player any team has ever traded for in the history of the NBA that it should blow your mind.

There's a real (I'm not saying high, but definitely real) chance he retires as the best player in Lakers history. That's the kid of guy we're talking about. GOAT potential. Seriously.

Why do you think basketball people in Dallas are considering jumping off a bridge? It's ****ing NUTS.
I mean, I don't know enough about the sport to debate you here, but weren't Kobe and Wilt good to great defenders? Are we not counting defense in this ranking? I ask honestly, I just don't know that Luka brings anything to the table defensively. He was eviscerated for his lack of defense in the playoffs.....
He was eviscerated for it but overall he was solid. Can he guard Edwards 1:1? No. But he holds up way better in the post where he belongs on defense as a 4 vs as a 2. And he sure seems to find a lot of steals for not being good.

His problem is that he definitely takes some plays off and those get super magnified because they're obvious. Is he a great defender? No. But he's at least average. And when you're the second best offensive player in the league (maybe best) I think average defense is fine.
 
He's so far and away the best player any team has ever traded for in the history of the NBA that it should blow your mind.
No far and away IMO

Wilt and KAJ were traded for...
Yeah, Wilt and Kareem were both probably the best player in the league at the time of them being traded.
Yeah I should add a youth qualifier I guess. Or a 3-pt era one. I think the point is made though right?
 
I mean, I don't know enough about the sport to debate you here, but weren't Kobe and Wilt good to great defenders? Are we not counting defense in this ranking? I ask honestly, I just don't know that Luka brings anything to the table defensively. He was eviscerated for his lack of defense in the playoffs.....

Kobe was all-defense a dozen times in his career, although you could argue at least a few of those were based more on reputation than his actual play on that end of the court. But yes, by orders of magnitude a better defender than what Luka has ever shown.

Wilt didn't get to the Lakers until the final 1/3 of his career, and he wasn't nearly the player that he had been on the Warriors or 76ers earlier. I'm not old enough to have seen anything more than clips of him (and I've watched as many as I can find, I'm a total Wilt-stan) but my impression is that while he blocked a ton of shots (they didn't keep track when he was playing) and grabbed all the rebounds, he wasn't known as a dude who always put in a ton of effort on that end of the court. Although Kareem did seem to bring out the best in him on that end and he did famously block his sky hook several times. This article even claims he blocked his shot 17 times in 6 games during the finals, including 5 times in a 12-minute span.
 
Having now seen a couple Lakers posts...you guys are hilariously underselling this. Luka is probably one of the five best best (at this point in career, and maybe even third best) player ever to join the Lakers. Definitely behind Magic. I think behind Kareem. But LeBron was already past his prime, I'd take Luka over Wilt, and Luka has been better every season of his career than a rookie Kobe (or any Kobe year honestly).

Could he have some secret devastating leg thing and never materialize? Maybe.

But this guy is behind ONLY MICHAEL JORDAN on the playoffs scoring per game list. It's like him, Oscar, and LeBron for P/A/R averages.

He's so far and away the best player any team has ever traded for in the history of the NBA that it should blow your mind.

There's a real (I'm not saying high, but definitely real) chance he retires as the best player in Lakers history. That's the kid of guy we're talking about. GOAT potential. Seriously.

Why do you think basketball people in Dallas are considering jumping off a bridge? It's ****ing NUTS.
I agree. I’m still in disbelief.
 
I know Ayton gets a pretty bad rap; plays when he wants to sort of thing, but he delivered in a big way last night for Portland. 25 and 20 but it was his free throws that sealed the win. 7-8 with 5 huge makes in OT.

I suppose the tank job is off now but the playoffs seem so far out of reach. See how they stack up against the Pacers tonight. I can't imagine they have much left in the tank but it's fun seeing a team with a pulse way ahead of schedule. Might be time to find game to take my sons to soon. We were hooting and hollering at the TV last night. Kiinda fun to cheer on a team again.

And with that, I've just outed myself as the worst of all fans - the bandwagon fan! @Deamon
Should have offered him for Luka.

:lmao:

Damn, man. I talk to a lot of Mavs' fans on group chat (buddies I went to HS with) and they are just demoralized and angry. One of the guys is one of the Mavs' team doctors and he can't say much to us but he learned of the trade a little sooner than the rest and still can't believe it. This trade happened in the absolute dark.
I assume he's not the calf doctor?

He is not. He's the guy they go to when they have the sniffles or need something for a rash. I tried to get him to confirm Luka's weight for me but he refused that one.
So you're confirming he has that type of rash 📓
 
Just read article on ESPN that say's Anthony Davis was "shocked" to get traded, was sitting down for movie night with his wife when he got the news.

Later in the article he says he waived his $6m trade bonus. Article states this was not needed to complete the trade, if you believe that, but would have had to be agreed upon before the trade could be finalized.

Am I the only one struggling to make sense of how could he be "shocked" about a trade that did not get finalized until he agreed to agreed to waive the $6M?
I figure the Mavs and Lakers (and maybe Jazz) had scenarios ready to adjust the deal in case he didn't waive the trade bonus. Thus they worked the main parameters of the deal and agreed to it, then let Davis know and got his input on the trade bonus decision before finalizing the details.
Wonderful explanation.

Why would Davis be willing to waive the trade bonus?
He wouldn't unless he wanted out of LA. Even if they had the backup structure, why would he turn down $6million "free dollars" (or whatever the figure is).
 
He's so far and away the best player any team has ever traded for in the history of the NBA that it should blow your mind.
No far and away IMO

Wilt and KAJ were traded for...
Yeah, Wilt and Kareem were both probably the best player in the league at the time of them being traded.
Wilt was coming off back-to-back-to-back MVP seasons. He was traded for Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark, and Darrall Imhoff. Chambers was in the military at the time he was traded and never played for the 76ers. He was claimed in the 1970 expansion draft by Portland. Clark was coming off an All-Star season for the Lakers and had one more AS selection after the trade in a year he averaged 25 ppg. Imhoff had one AS season on the Lakers but didn't do much else in his 12-year career.

Wilt was before my time, but apparently, he wanted more money than PHI wanted to pay, he was tired of losing to the Celtics, and he wanted to go to a title contender. Another draw to L.A. for Chamberlain was that dating practices in California were a lot more liberal than on the east coast. Wilt threatened to join the ABA if he wasn't traded. The Sixers certainly didn't get much in return for the 4-time MVP.

Kareem wanted out of Milwaukee, told the team he would not re-sign with them, and demanded a trade to a bigger market. He was already a 3-time MVP when he got moved with Walt Wesley to the Lakers for Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith, and Brian Winters. Bridgeman was a first-round pick that year and ended up as an average starter in his 12 seasons in the league. Meyers was the 2nd pick in the draft that season and only played 4 seasons due to injuries, averaging 15 ppg. Smith was another ok starter that never made an all-star team. Winters was the only one that made an all-star game for MIL (2 of them) in his 8 years with the Bucks. Wesley only played in 1 game with the Lakers.
 
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So how's Ausar looking up in Detroit? Lol.
Late 4th quarter last night he picked Trae Young's pocket with ease, then dropped the ball out of bounds going for the uncontested layup.

That pretty much sums him up as a player. Great defender, in the discussion for worst offensive player in the league.

I love these guys are such NBA nerds


 
He's so far and away the best player any team has ever traded for in the history of the NBA that it should blow your mind.
No far and away IMO

Wilt and KAJ were traded for...
Yeah, Wilt and Kareem were both probably the best player in the league at the time of them being traded.
Wilt was coming off back-to-back-to-back MVP seasons. He was traded for Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark, and Darrall Imhoff. Chambers was in the military at the time he was traded and never played for the 76ers. He was claimed in the 1970 expansion draft by Portland. Clark was coming off an All-Star season for the Lakers and had one more AS selection after the trade in a year he averaged 25 ppg. Imhoff had one AS season on the Lakers but didn't do much else in his 12-year career.

Wilt was before my time, but apparently, he wanted more money than PHI wanted to pay, he was tired of losing to the Celtics, and he wanted to go to a title contender. Another draw to L.A. for Chamberlain was that dating practices in California were a lot more liberal than on the east coast. Wilt threatened to join the ABA if he wasn't traded. The Sixers certainly didn't get much in return for the 4-time MVP.

Kareem wanted out of Milwaukee, told the team he would not re-sign with them, and demanded a trade to a bigger market. He was already a 3-time MVP when he got moved with Walt Wesley to the Lakers for Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith, and Brian Winters. Bridgeman was a first-round pick that year and ended up as an average starter in his 12 seasons in the league. Meyers was the 2nd pick in the draft that season and only played 4 seasons due to injuries, averaging 15 ppg. Smith was another ok starter that never made an all-star team. Winters was the only one that made an all-star game for MIL (2 of them) in his 8 years with the Bucks. Wesley only played in 1 game with the Lakers.

Bridgeman's No. 2 and Winters No. 32 jerseys are both hanging in the rafters at the Bucks Fiserv Forum, as is Kareem's 33, but most around Milwaukee still view it as an unfortunate incident with Kareen winning an NBA title for the Bucks but not being comfortable living in a smaller, upper midwest market.
 
He's so far and away the best player any team has ever traded for in the history of the NBA that it should blow your mind.
No far and away IMO

Wilt and KAJ were traded for...
Yeah, Wilt and Kareem were both probably the best player in the league at the time of them being traded.
Wilt was coming off back-to-back-to-back MVP seasons. He was traded for Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark, and Darrall Imhoff. Chambers was in the military at the time he was traded and never played for the 76ers. He was claimed in the 1970 expansion draft by Portland. Clark was coming off an All-Star season for the Lakers and had one more AS selection after the trade in a year he averaged 25 ppg. Imhoff had one AS season on the Lakers but didn't do much else in his 12-year career.

Wilt was before my time, but apparently, he wanted more money than PHI wanted to pay, he was tired of losing to the Celtics, and he wanted to go to a title contender. Another draw to L.A. for Chamberlain was that dating practices in California were a lot more liberal than on the east coast. Wilt threatened to join the ABA if he wasn't traded. The Sixers certainly didn't get much in return for the 4-time MVP.

Kareem wanted out of Milwaukee, told the team he would not re-sign with them, and demanded a trade to a bigger market. He was already a 3-time MVP when he got moved with Walt Wesley to the Lakers for Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith, and Brian Winters. Bridgeman was a first-round pick that year and ended up as an average starter in his 12 seasons in the league. Meyers was the 2nd pick in the draft that season and only played 4 seasons due to injuries, averaging 15 ppg. Smith was another ok starter that never made an all-star team. Winters was the only one that made an all-star game for MIL (2 of them) in his 8 years with the Bucks. Wesley only played in 1 game with the Lakers.

One of the guys in our hood played NBA ball for a bit. He went up against Kareem in practices in MIL. Says Kareem was far and away the best guy he ever squared off against. Said Oscar, Dr J, Lanier, E Hayes, etc were not even close. Said KAJ could score whenever he wanted. And his stats say he's better than Luka, so probably the best guy ever traded for even if he wanted out.
 
One of the guys in our hood played NBA ball for a bit. He went up against Kareem in practices in MIL. Says Kareem was far and away the best guy he ever squared off against. Said Oscar, Dr J, Lanier, E Hayes, etc were not even close. Said KAJ could score whenever he wanted. And his stats say he's better than Luka, so probably the best guy ever traded for even if he wanted out.
One of my best friends had some great stories about playing against Kareem multiple times in high school (back when he was still Lew Alcindor and played for Power Memorial Academy). My friend went to one of the other Catholic high schools in NYC. Kareem's HS team won 71 straight games and won back-to-back national HS championships. My friend said there was absolutely no way to guard him. He said there were some games Kareem got hacked all game, but given the prevailing climate and landscape at the time, a lot of times refs would look the other way. Unfortunately, not a great time to have been a minority playing on a mostly all white team.
 

Why would Davis be willing to waive the trade bonus?
More generally, why has it seemingly become the norm that players waive bonuses? They are turning down millions of dollars they negotiated for just to help teams out with their cap situations. If they were that worried about the team's cap situation, they could have taken less money in the initial contract. I don't get it.
 

Why would Davis be willing to waive the trade bonus?
More generally, why has it seemingly become the norm that players waive bonuses? They are turning down millions of dollars they negotiated for just to help teams out with their cap situations. If they were that worried about the team's cap situation, they could have taken less money in the initial contract. I don't get it.
Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I just assumed I was missing something obvious.

Like your sentiment, I can't imagine turning back money contractually obligated to me via a profit share or bonus. As somebody who receives these, and as somebody who likes my firm quite a bit and would do a lot for it, I'm still not turning down real money that I wisely negotiated and/or earned for my hard work.
 
Report: Increased belief Durant lands with Warriors

I could see this happening as well. Suns gotta blow this up now. They're a jump shooting team that can't get to the hoop, can't rebound, doesn't defend and can't improve as 2nd apron/no one wanting Beal or Nurkic (only remote shot they've had to deal either is attaching 1sts....and no one's wanted to date). Load up on picks for Booker/Durant & hopefully get player(s) that can be part of rebuild.
How do KD and Draymond reconcile? Have they already?

Green was a douche to Durant at the end of his last run there. I thought they still had some animosity or at least an icy relationship.
They're good, played on the '21 Olympic Team together and got along fine.
 
More and more rumblings about a Durant trade, now he’s being listed as questionable for tomorrow’s game.

Windhorst - ☝️:rolleyes:☝️
You roll your eyes, but it's now very interesting that Davis got that abdominal strain last week, got sent home with a vague time table for return, got dealt, and is now playing tonight.
 
saw a bit of Luka's Lakers presser today

that guy is retiring from the NBA after this season and going to play for Eurobasket titles where he can drink & smoke on the bench, then casually put up 45/11/22 at 300 lbs
Maybe he can pull Vlade Divac out of retirement for a nice pick-n-roll partner?
pretty sure Luka would just dribble the clock out and score on every possession. he won't need a playing partner.
 
More and more rumblings about a Durant trade, now he’s being listed as questionable for tomorrow’s game.

Windhorst - ☝️:rolleyes:☝️
You roll your eyes, but it's now very interesting that Davis got that abdominal strain last week, got sent home with a vague time table for return, got dealt, and is now playing tonight.
That was me trying to do the Windhorst meme thing with emojis, probably should have chosen a different head.
 
saw a bit of Luka's Lakers presser today

that guy is retiring from the NBA after this season and going to play for Eurobasket titles where he can drink & smoke on the bench, then casually put up 45/11/22 at 300 lbs
Maybe he can pull Vlade Divac out of retirement for a nice pick-n-roll partner?
pretty sure Luka would just dribble the clock out and score on every possession. he won't need a playing partner.
You're probably right.

Side note - my wife, who lived up in Sacramento when Vlade was playing for the Kings, would see him all over town on a little Vespa scooter, always with a heater in his mouth. :lol:
 

Why would Davis be willing to waive the trade bonus?
More generally, why has it seemingly become the norm that players waive bonuses? They are turning down millions of dollars they negotiated for just to help teams out with their cap situations. If they were that worried about the team's cap situation, they could have taken less money in the initial contract. I don't get it.
Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I just assumed I was missing something obvious.

Like your sentiment, I can't imagine turning back money contractually obligated to me via a profit share or bonus. As somebody who receives these, and as somebody who likes my firm quite a bit and would do a lot for it, I'm still not turning down real money that I wisely negotiated and/or earned for my hard work.
What if you desperately needed to hire an associate or paralegal to both help with your work load and also help you take on and win more cases, which would help your mental health, future earnings, and reputation, but the firm couldn’t afford it at the moment?
 

Why would Davis be willing to waive the trade bonus?
More generally, why has it seemingly become the norm that players waive bonuses? They are turning down millions of dollars they negotiated for just to help teams out with their cap situations. If they were that worried about the team's cap situation, they could have taken less money in the initial contract. I don't get it.
Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I just assumed I was missing something obvious.

Like your sentiment, I can't imagine turning back money contractually obligated to me via a profit share or bonus. As somebody who receives these, and as somebody who likes my firm quite a bit and would do a lot for it, I'm still not turning down real money that I wisely negotiated and/or earned for my hard work.
What if you desperately needed to hire an associate or paralegal to both help with your work load and also help you take on and win more cases, which would help your mental health, future earnings, and reputation, but the firm couldn’t afford it at the moment?
AD's mental health probably doesn't ride on whether they bring in Caleb Martin or whatever the heck they did today. And like I said, if it was that big of a deal to you, you could have taken that discount up front.
 
More and more rumblings about a Durant trade, now he’s being listed as questionable for tomorrow’s game.

Windhorst - ☝️:rolleyes:☝️
You roll your eyes, but it's now very interesting that Davis got that abdominal strain last week, got sent home with a vague time table for return, got dealt, and is now playing tonight.

AD is inactive tonight

This was in this article I read earlier today on ESPN:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43691760/anthony-davis-shocked-trade-mavs-debut-hold

"I'll go through a workout today, see how I feel, and depending on that, get another one in tomorrow," Davis said. "And then depending on that, see how I feel.

"If not Thursday, then more than likely Saturday at home."
 
More and more rumblings about a Durant trade, now he’s being listed as questionable for tomorrow’s game.

Windhorst - ☝️:rolleyes:☝️
You roll your eyes, but it's now very interesting that Davis got that abdominal strain last week, got sent home with a vague time table for return, got dealt, and is now playing tonight.

AD is inactive tonight
Thanks, I saw a bs tweet elsewhere that said he was active.
 
Haven't caught up on thread in a couple hours. Hearing Nico is gonna get KD in exchange for some shoestring, bubble gum, Dalton Knecht, a Lakers 2031 pick, and some other assets he somehow didn't get for Luka.
 
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Rumor going around that Mavericks' season tickets prices for next year were marked up 61% year over year.

If true, this team is moving to Vegas.

Holy.



CRAP!
They've apparently initiated a refund for any remaining tickets. I'm considering taking it. Idk how it would work given I've made money on the few games I've sold already in the remainder of the season.

Btw I managed to get over 5x my face for the April Lakers game yesterday lol. Too painful to go watch that right now if you ask me.

FWIW, this last season they raised prices so much that it completely erased five years of loyalty year over year discounting (including off the year over year prior increases). Wiped out all of it.
 
What has happened to Kevin Huerter? His stats show a downward trajectory that you see in aging players, but he is only 26.

I have read that Trae Young creates such space on the floor that Huerter got open shots that he has not been getting in Sacramento. That sounds plausible, but it seems that the game has gotten beyond him.
 
Great time at the Mavs-Sixers game tonight. Maxey is fun to watch, and Embid can still play when healthy….ish. Kyrie is incredibly talented, it’s a testament to him that they even stayed in this game with how little help he had…..
 
What has happened to Kevin Huerter? His stats show a downward trajectory that you see in aging players, but he is only 26.

I have read that Trae Young creates such space on the floor that Huerter got open shots that he has not been getting in Sacramento. That sounds plausible, but it seems that the game has gotten beyond him.
He was shooting out of his mind for the first 50 games of his Sacramento tenure, like Steph Curry ish stuff. Then he went into a huge funk and hasn’t ever really recovered. He’s gotten better on D and tries hard, but his physical limitations are such that he just isn’t playable if he isn’t shooting 40% from deep. I’m not sure if it’s a mild case of the yips or what.
 

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