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2024-25 NBA Thread: “At least we have Brian Schottenheimer to look forward to” depressed Mavs fan says to himself (8 Viewers)

Holy crap, just saw the end to the Rockets/Nets game. Brutal ending for Houston. Up 4 with 7 seconds left a they lose.

I was just about to post the highlights. That really hurt to watch live. Great comeback by the Rockets with Sengun just dominating the Nets late (24 and 20) but then they just fell apart. I still don't know what Sheppard (he is a rookie and was on a roll tonight) but especially Jalen Green is thinking when you just have to burn clock there and you're a 30% shooter from deep. I really wish they would find a taker for Green. Such a frustrating player to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cZkzKocMSg
 
Breaking: The Milwaukee Bucks are trading Khris Middleton, AJ Johnson and a pick swap to the Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and second-round draft compensation, sources tell ESPN.
 
Breaking: The Milwaukee Bucks are trading Khris Middleton, AJ Johnson and a pick swap to the Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and second-round draft compensation, sources tell ESPN.
Thought I saw this already in here, but couldn't find the post. Maybe I read it on ESPN?

Anyway, I think this is a good move for the Bucks. Middleton has been a shell of himself. Kuzma needs to prove he can fit in a system and be more efficient, but Washington is a tough team to glean anything factual from as they are just so bad. His skillsets are there and playing next to Giannis and Lillard should improve anyone's efficiencies.
 
Holy crap, just saw the end to the Rockets/Nets game. Brutal ending for Houston. Up 4 with 7 seconds left a they lose.

I was just about to post the highlights. That really hurt to watch live. Great comeback by the Rockets with Sengun just dominating the Nets late (24 and 20) but then they just fell apart. I still don't know what Sheppard (he is a rookie and was on a roll tonight) but especially Jalen Green is thinking when you just have to burn clock there and you're a 30% shooter from deep. I really wish they would find a taker for Green. Such a frustrating player to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cZkzKocMSg

Just watched your link. Jacking up 3s in transition while up 5 and 35 seconds remaining. Classic modern NBA. So poor.
 
Apparently the Warriors and Hawks have contacted the Sixers about Paul George.
For what? To do podcasts?

It is pretty crazy. The Warrior front office had a meeting with Steph and he told them not go crazy and mortgage the future for another run or two. A few days later the Warriors have contacted every team that has a possible all star available and tried to trade for them. The list includes. Lebron, Durant. George, Giannis, Zion, Ingram and more.
 
Breaking: The Milwaukee Bucks are trading Khris Middleton, AJ Johnson and a pick swap to the Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and second-round draft compensation, sources tell ESPN.

Kuz was actually a pretty good guy in the community here, but he certainly doesn't fit into WAS plans. Not sure Middleton does either. At least he went to UVA so there's a chance he will want to show up and play. I assume we really made this move to get AJ Johnson. (and to ensure we suck enough to maybe get Cooper Flagg)

I'm surpirsed nobody is asking about Kispert. The guy is an underrated player overall. Not just for shooting. 25 years old. Feel bad for him being stuck in this mess. Could be a good 7th man elsewhere

Damn we suck. :poop:
 
Holy crap, just saw the end to the Rockets/Nets game. Brutal ending for Houston. Up 4 with 7 seconds left a they lose.

I was just about to post the highlights. That really hurt to watch live. Great comeback by the Rockets with Sengun just dominating the Nets late (24 and 20) but then they just fell apart. I still don't know what Sheppard (he is a rookie and was on a roll tonight) but especially Jalen Green is thinking when you just have to burn clock there and you're a 30% shooter from deep. I really wish they would find a taker for Green. Such a frustrating player to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cZkzKocMSg

Just watched your link. Jacking up 3s in transition while up 5 and 35 seconds remaining. Classic modern NBA. So poor.
Are you sure you watched the link?

Houston didn't go up 5 until there were 18 seconds left in the game and they did so by Sengun making 2 free throws
 
Holy crap, just saw the end to the Rockets/Nets game. Brutal ending for Houston. Up 4 with 7 seconds left a they lose.

I was just about to post the highlights. That really hurt to watch live. Great comeback by the Rockets with Sengun just dominating the Nets late (24 and 20) but then they just fell apart. I still don't know what Sheppard (he is a rookie and was on a roll tonight) but especially Jalen Green is thinking when you just have to burn clock there and you're a 30% shooter from deep. I really wish they would find a taker for Green. Such a frustrating player to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cZkzKocMSg

Just watched your link. Jacking up 3s in transition while up 5 and 35 seconds remaining. Classic modern NBA. So poor.
Are you sure you watched the link?

Houston didn't go up 5 until there were 18 seconds left in the game and they did so by Sengun making 2 free throws
I was a bit off. They were up 4 with 1:02 min to go when I think Sheppard jacks it from 3 in transition. They were in a 4 on 1. Just a dumb shot. ETA ... then Green ariballs it from 3 with 55 seconds left. Another PoS shot.
 
Portland didn't just win last night, they beat the BRAKES off Indy.

What is happening? This wasn't how it was supposed to go. At all. And yet, I like it. I'm so confused.
Congrats on getting the 9th pick in the 2025 draft!

Thanks!

Wait, no!

Damn it.
I'm trying to come up with a bet. I'm looking for an excuse to drink some of those IPAs you've been touting!

HA! Trying to take advantage of my misplaced sports' optimism. Just like an attorney!
 
Breaking: The Milwaukee Bucks are trading Khris Middleton, AJ Johnson and a pick swap to the Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and second-round draft compensation, sources tell ESPN.

Kuz was actually a pretty good guy in the community here, but he certainly doesn't fit into WAS plans. Not sure Middleton does either. At least he went to UVA so there's a chance he will want to show up and play. I assume we really made this move to get AJ Johnson. (and to ensure we suck enough to maybe get Cooper Flagg)

I'm surpirsed nobody is asking about Kispert. The guy is an underrated player overall. Not just for shooting. 25 years old. Feel bad for him being stuck in this mess. Could be a good 7th man elsewhere

Damn we suck. :poop:
Middleton doesn't really seem to have a lot left in the tank. Good move for the Bucks to add a former (Rising Stars) MVP.
 
Some excerpts from a really neat article in the Athletic about the Bucks situation. The NBA, its FANtastic!

One of those new [CBA] rules is the “freezing” of a first-round pick seven years in the future if a team ends any season over the second apron. The freezing of a pick means a team cannot trade that pick and the freezing event starts a four-year clock. To unfreeze (thaw?) that pick, the team with the frozen pick needs to finish at least three of the next four seasons below the second apron. If that team finishes any two of those four seasons over the second apron, the pick becomes permanently frozen, which means it can never be traded and drops to No. 30 in that season’s draft.

If the Bucks fail to chop that $6.5-ish million from their salary-cap table by the end of the season, their 2032 first-round pick would be frozen until at least the end of the 2027-28 season. And it would only
become unfrozen at that point if the Bucks manage to stay below the second apron in the next three seasons.
. . .

Much has been made of the Bucks’ inability to aggregate contracts to obtain a player with a larger salary than one of their own players, but that is only a portion of the rules surrounding aggregating salaries in the new CBA. While in many cases aggregating salaries or trading multiple players in the same deal could be illegal, the Bucks would be allowed to make such a deal if the result of that trade brought them under the second apron.

But even that “loophole” is more complicated than it initially appears. If the Bucks were to aggregate salaries to get a deal done this trade deadline, they also need to be able to legally fill a roster for the rest of the season.

For example, if the Bucks were to put together a three-for-one deal, they would need to make sure they got far enough below the second apron to add at least one player on a minimum contract for the remainder of the season to satisfy NBA rules regarding roster size. The NBA requires teams to have at least 14 players on their active roster, with only a two-week grace period to field 13 players.

Therefore, it is not impossible for the Bucks to trade for a player with a salary over $40 million, but it will be complicated. Realistically, the only way to construct a legal deal that accomplishes that goal is by including two of Middleton ($34,000,001), Lopez ($23,000,000) or Portis ($12,578,286) in a larger package.

(Note: Middleton’s salary figure in trades will be his apron salary of $34,000,001 rather than what will end up being his cap hit ($31,666,667) at the end of the season. Because of the games Middleton has missed, he will not capture many of his bonuses this season, but his apron salary still accounts for those bonuses, likely and unlikely, in a midseason trade.)
 
Some excerpts from a really neat article in the Athletic about the Bucks situation. The NBA, its FANtastic!

One of those new [CBA] rules is the “freezing” of a first-round pick seven years in the future if a team ends any season over the second apron. The freezing of a pick means a team cannot trade that pick and the freezing event starts a four-year clock. To unfreeze (thaw?) that pick, the team with the frozen pick needs to finish at least three of the next four seasons below the second apron. If that team finishes any two of those four seasons over the second apron, the pick becomes permanently frozen, which means it can never be traded and drops to No. 30 in that season’s draft.

If the Bucks fail to chop that $6.5-ish million from their salary-cap table by the end of the season, their 2032 first-round pick would be frozen until at least the end of the 2027-28 season. And it would only
become unfrozen at that point if the Bucks manage to stay below the second apron in the next three seasons.
. . .

Much has been made of the Bucks’ inability to aggregate contracts to obtain a player with a larger salary than one of their own players, but that is only a portion of the rules surrounding aggregating salaries in the new CBA. While in many cases aggregating salaries or trading multiple players in the same deal could be illegal, the Bucks would be allowed to make such a deal if the result of that trade brought them under the second apron.

But even that “loophole” is more complicated than it initially appears. If the Bucks were to aggregate salaries to get a deal done this trade deadline, they also need to be able to legally fill a roster for the rest of the season.

For example, if the Bucks were to put together a three-for-one deal, they would need to make sure they got far enough below the second apron to add at least one player on a minimum contract for the remainder of the season to satisfy NBA rules regarding roster size. The NBA requires teams to have at least 14 players on their active roster, with only a two-week grace period to field 13 players.

Therefore, it is not impossible for the Bucks to trade for a player with a salary over $40 million, but it will be complicated. Realistically, the only way to construct a legal deal that accomplishes that goal is by including two of Middleton ($34,000,001), Lopez ($23,000,000) or Portis ($12,578,286) in a larger package.

(Note: Middleton’s salary figure in trades will be his apron salary of $34,000,001 rather than what will end up being his cap hit ($31,666,667) at the end of the season. Because of the games Middleton has missed, he will not capture many of his bonuses this season, but his apron salary still accounts for those bonuses, likely and unlikely, in a midseason trade.)
I think it's a feature, not a bug, that a team that has $150m/year tied up in 3 players has to make some really difficult roster building decisions.
 
Decision didn't really bother me, but I made some good $$$ on that one when off-shore books were taking bets on where he would land.....sure seems petty to hold that against a man.

He reached the NBA finals at age 22 with garbage around him. Took Jordan until age 27 and he had one of the NBAs best side-men next to him in Pippen.

He could be the NBA MVP every year, but whatever.

Sucks that he's the only player in NBA history that has ever flopped. Got us there.
 
Decision didn't really bother me, but I made some good $$$ on that one when off-shore books were taking bets on where he would land.....sure seems petty to hold that against a man.

He reached the NBA finals at age 22 with garbage around him. Took Jordan until age 27 and he had one of the NBAs best side-men next to him in Pippen.

He could be the NBA MVP every year, but whatever.

Sucks that he's the only player in NBA history that has ever flopped. Got us there.
We aren't talking good vs bad, we are talking GOAT. The #1.

He's just not it. He's clearly #2, IMO.
 
Breaking: The Milwaukee Bucks are trading Khris Middleton, AJ Johnson and a pick swap to the Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and second-round draft compensation, sources tell ESPN.

Kuz was actually a pretty good guy in the community here, but he certainly doesn't fit into WAS plans. Not sure Middleton does either. At least he went to UVA so there's a chance he will want to show up and play. I assume we really made this move to get AJ Johnson. (and to ensure we suck enough to maybe get Cooper Flagg)

I'm surpirsed nobody is asking about Kispert. The guy is an underrated player overall. Not just for shooting. 25 years old. Feel bad for him being stuck in this mess. Could be a good 7th man elsewhere

Damn we suck. :poop:
Middleton doesn't really seem to have a lot left in the tank. Good move for the Bucks to add a former (Rising Stars) MVP.
he has worse knees than my 71 year old father
 

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