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I am starting to worry the Celtics just don’t have it. Up 3 with the ball and 13 seconds left and passing to run out the clock, Holiday passed to Brown, who dropped the pass out of bounds. They intentionally fouled Trey, who made both free throws to cut it to 1. Tatum made 1 of 2 free throws, leaving them up 2. With 3 seconds left and nowhere near the basket, Holiday intentionally fouled Trae, thinking they were up 3. Trae made the free throws and ATL won in OT in BOS again.
The Holliday foul was as dumb as it gets.

So unexpected from him
 
Nuggets rose-colored glasses post of the day - I was curious how slow Murray started the last few seasons as I know he is a notorious slow starter so I took a look at this season vs the last three (the trend held mostly true in 19-20 as well but 18-19 and 17-18 were even more apparent).

20-21 Season: First 18 - 19.1 PPG/4.4 APG/4.0 RPG on .456/.352/.783 (.557 TS%)

Full Season – 21.2 PPG/4.8 APG/4.0 RPG on .477/.408/.869 (.592 TS%)

22-23 Season: First 18 - 17.9 PPG/4.9 APG/3.7 RPG on .448/.380/.784 (.538 TS%)

Full Season – 20.0 PPG/6.2 APG/4.0 RPG on .454/.398/.833 (.571 TS%)

23-24 Season: First 18 – 19.8 PPG/5.7 APG/4.0 RPG on .470/.449/.906 (.587 TS%)

Full Season – 20.0 PPG/6.5 APG/4.1 RPG on .481/.425/.853 (.586 TS%)

24-25 Season: First 18 – 17.9 PPG/6.1 APG/4.1 RPG on .425/.337/.809 (.531 TS%)

Literally every year of his career other than last season he has has a slow start and worked himself into form by mid-to-late season. If the trend continues (and he builds of of the last game vs LAC), I think we could see something closer to borderline All-Star level Murray which may get the Nuggets back into title contention, especially if they can make a trade to give them a little bump as well.
Since I posted this, Murray has played 7 games with averages of 24.7/7.3/4.4 on .470/.432/.909 (.589 TS%) and raised his season averages to 19.8/6.4/4.2 on .440/.365/.842 (.551 TS%).

He still doesn't look back but he definitely looks like he is on his way back - creating separation again and making a couple athletic moves a game.

Since I originally posted this, Murray has now played 16 games with 22.1/6.1/4.0 on .483/.438/.914 (.598 TS%). The last few games he has looked 100% back.

So I just saw where Aaron Gordon is coming off the bench for DEN now? How long has that been a thing?
As @Major said, he has just gotten back from a calf injury that he originally had in November that kept him out 10 games then he returned for 10 and reaggravated it and was out for 9 more games. They have put him on roughly a 20 minute limit so it makes sense for him to come off the bench.

That said, I think there is a chance that he stays on the bench because he allows the bench to actually be effective and keeps Westbrook tied more to Jokic where he has been really good, as opposed to the non-Jokic lineups where Westbrook has been really bad (Westbrook is +12.4 per 100 with Jokic in 773 minutes and +2.6 overall in 1121 minutes so he is roughly something like -19.0 without Jokic).
I think my 47 year old *** could have a positive plus/minus playing with Jokic.

While you aren't wrong, Westbrook's +/- with Jokic is the third best pairing on the team behind Jokic/MPJ and Jokic/Braun. Westbrook and Jokic have a very good two man game and Westbrook has helped the Nuggets to have the most fast break points per game in the NBA. He is a legit difference maker this year and has toned down all his worst tendencies - he is currently shooting his best ever from 2pt (.523 - including a career best .693 at the basket) and second best from three (.340 - very much because he has exchanged above the break threes for corner threes where he makes 50%). He's doing exactly what everybody has been saying he should do for the last 4 seasons but nobody other than Jokic and Malone could get him to do.
 
Nuggets rose-colored glasses post of the day - I was curious how slow Murray started the last few seasons as I know he is a notorious slow starter so I took a look at this season vs the last three (the trend held mostly true in 19-20 as well but 18-19 and 17-18 were even more apparent).

20-21 Season: First 18 - 19.1 PPG/4.4 APG/4.0 RPG on .456/.352/.783 (.557 TS%)

Full Season – 21.2 PPG/4.8 APG/4.0 RPG on .477/.408/.869 (.592 TS%)

22-23 Season: First 18 - 17.9 PPG/4.9 APG/3.7 RPG on .448/.380/.784 (.538 TS%)

Full Season – 20.0 PPG/6.2 APG/4.0 RPG on .454/.398/.833 (.571 TS%)

23-24 Season: First 18 – 19.8 PPG/5.7 APG/4.0 RPG on .470/.449/.906 (.587 TS%)

Full Season – 20.0 PPG/6.5 APG/4.1 RPG on .481/.425/.853 (.586 TS%)

24-25 Season: First 18 – 17.9 PPG/6.1 APG/4.1 RPG on .425/.337/.809 (.531 TS%)

Literally every year of his career other than last season he has has a slow start and worked himself into form by mid-to-late season. If the trend continues (and he builds of of the last game vs LAC), I think we could see something closer to borderline All-Star level Murray which may get the Nuggets back into title contention, especially if they can make a trade to give them a little bump as well.
Since I posted this, Murray has played 7 games with averages of 24.7/7.3/4.4 on .470/.432/.909 (.589 TS%) and raised his season averages to 19.8/6.4/4.2 on .440/.365/.842 (.551 TS%).

He still doesn't look back but he definitely looks like he is on his way back - creating separation again and making a couple athletic moves a game.

Since I originally posted this, Murray has now played 16 games with 22.1/6.1/4.0 on .483/.438/.914 (.598 TS%). The last few games he has looked 100% back.

So I just saw where Aaron Gordon is coming off the bench for DEN now? How long has that been a thing?
As @Major said, he has just gotten back from a calf injury that he originally had in November that kept him out 10 games then he returned for 10 and reaggravated it and was out for 9 more games. They have put him on roughly a 20 minute limit so it makes sense for him to come off the bench.

That said, I think there is a chance that he stays on the bench because he allows the bench to actually be effective and keeps Westbrook tied more to Jokic where he has been really good, as opposed to the non-Jokic lineups where Westbrook has been really bad (Westbrook is +12.4 per 100 with Jokic in 773 minutes and +2.6 overall in 1121 minutes so he is roughly something like -19.0 without Jokic).
I think my 47 year old *** could have a positive plus/minus playing with Jokic.

While you aren't wrong, Westbrook's +/- with Jokic is the third best pairing on the team behind Jokic/MPJ and Jokic/Braun. Westbrook and Jokic have a very good two man game and Westbrook has helped the Nuggets to have the most fast break points per game in the NBA. He is a legit difference maker this year and has toned down all his worst tendencies - he is currently shooting his best ever from 2pt (.523 - including a career best .693 at the basket) and second best from three (.340 - very much because he has exchanged above the break threes for corner threes where he makes 50%). He's doing exactly what everybody has been saying he should do for the last 4 seasons but nobody other than Jokic and Malone could get him to do.
Honestly this is the best point yet in favor of Jokic's greatness.
 
Nuggets rose-colored glasses post of the day - I was curious how slow Murray started the last few seasons as I know he is a notorious slow starter so I took a look at this season vs the last three (the trend held mostly true in 19-20 as well but 18-19 and 17-18 were even more apparent).

20-21 Season: First 18 - 19.1 PPG/4.4 APG/4.0 RPG on .456/.352/.783 (.557 TS%)

Full Season – 21.2 PPG/4.8 APG/4.0 RPG on .477/.408/.869 (.592 TS%)

22-23 Season: First 18 - 17.9 PPG/4.9 APG/3.7 RPG on .448/.380/.784 (.538 TS%)

Full Season – 20.0 PPG/6.2 APG/4.0 RPG on .454/.398/.833 (.571 TS%)

23-24 Season: First 18 – 19.8 PPG/5.7 APG/4.0 RPG on .470/.449/.906 (.587 TS%)

Full Season – 20.0 PPG/6.5 APG/4.1 RPG on .481/.425/.853 (.586 TS%)

24-25 Season: First 18 – 17.9 PPG/6.1 APG/4.1 RPG on .425/.337/.809 (.531 TS%)

Literally every year of his career other than last season he has has a slow start and worked himself into form by mid-to-late season. If the trend continues (and he builds of of the last game vs LAC), I think we could see something closer to borderline All-Star level Murray which may get the Nuggets back into title contention, especially if they can make a trade to give them a little bump as well.
Since I posted this, Murray has played 7 games with averages of 24.7/7.3/4.4 on .470/.432/.909 (.589 TS%) and raised his season averages to 19.8/6.4/4.2 on .440/.365/.842 (.551 TS%).

He still doesn't look back but he definitely looks like he is on his way back - creating separation again and making a couple athletic moves a game.

Since I originally posted this, Murray has now played 16 games with 22.1/6.1/4.0 on .483/.438/.914 (.598 TS%). The last few games he has looked 100% back.

So I just saw where Aaron Gordon is coming off the bench for DEN now? How long has that been a thing?
As @Major said, he has just gotten back from a calf injury that he originally had in November that kept him out 10 games then he returned for 10 and reaggravated it and was out for 9 more games. They have put him on roughly a 20 minute limit so it makes sense for him to come off the bench.

That said, I think there is a chance that he stays on the bench because he allows the bench to actually be effective and keeps Westbrook tied more to Jokic where he has been really good, as opposed to the non-Jokic lineups where Westbrook has been really bad (Westbrook is +12.4 per 100 with Jokic in 773 minutes and +2.6 overall in 1121 minutes so he is roughly something like -19.0 without Jokic).
I think my 47 year old *** could have a positive plus/minus playing with Jokic.

While you aren't wrong, Westbrook's +/- with Jokic is the third best pairing on the team behind Jokic/MPJ and Jokic/Braun. Westbrook and Jokic have a very good two man game and Westbrook has helped the Nuggets to have the most fast break points per game in the NBA. He is a legit difference maker this year and has toned down all his worst tendencies - he is currently shooting his best ever from 2pt (.523 - including a career best .693 at the basket) and second best from three (.340 - very much because he has exchanged above the break threes for corner threes where he makes 50%). He's doing exactly what everybody has been saying he should do for the last 4 seasons but nobody other than Jokic and Malone could get him to do.
Honestly this is the best point yet in favor of Jokic's greatness.
He is still taking too many above the break threes. 23/92 this year on those shots. 28/58 from the corners.

Last year he actually had a good shot diet with 68 corner threes taken to 86 above the break.
 
I am starting to worry the Celtics just don’t have it. Up 3 with the ball and 13 seconds left and passing to run out the clock, Holiday passed to Brown, who dropped the pass out of bounds. They intentionally fouled Trey, who made both free throws to cut it to 1. Tatum made 1 of 2 free throws, leaving them up 2. With 3 seconds left and nowhere near the basket, Holiday intentionally fouled Trae, thinking they were up 3. Trae made the free throws and ATL won in OT in BOS again.
It's a championship hangover and plus the Olympics for Tatum, Holiday and White.

They are struggling with focus and effort. They will have to turn it on somewhat before the playoffs, but we are just now at the halfway point of the season and Boston is fine at #2 in the East. This 8-8 stretch isn't fun, but it happens.
Tatum should be fine since he didn't play in the Olympics.
 
I am starting to worry the Celtics just don’t have it. Up 3 with the ball and 13 seconds left and passing to run out the clock, Holiday passed to Brown, who dropped the pass out of bounds. They intentionally fouled Trey, who made both free throws to cut it to 1. Tatum made 1 of 2 free throws, leaving them up 2. With 3 seconds left and nowhere near the basket, Holiday intentionally fouled Trae, thinking they were up 3. Trae made the free throws and ATL won in OT in BOS again.
It's a championship hangover and plus the Olympics for Tatum, Holiday and White.

They are struggling with focus and effort. They will have to turn it on somewhat before the playoffs, but we are just now at the halfway point of the season and Boston is fine at #2 in the East. This 8-8 stretch isn't fun, but it happens.
Tatum should be fine since he didn't play in the Olympics.
Touche'
:lmao:
 
The Nuggets have won 9 of the last 10 in which Jokic played - all 9 wins were by at least 11 points. They are currently 1 game behind Memphis and 2.5 games behind Houston. Houston's next 8 games includes Knicks, Grizz, Celtics, Cavs x 2 and overall has the 5th hardest schedule remaining in the west. Memphis has an easier upcoming schedule but will probably be underdogs 5 or 6 times in the next 12 before the AS break and has the third hardest schedule in the west remaining. Denver on the other hand has the second easiest schedule in the West for the remainder of the season (OKC has the easiest) and will probably be favorites in ever game before the break other than @ NYK in a couple weeks. Before the break, they have games against the 76ers x 2, Bulls, Hornets, Pels x 2, Blazers x 2. Further, the Grizzlies have had the 3rd easiest schedule so far (Knicks #1, Cavs #2), Houston has had the 12th hardest and Denver has had the 6th hardest.

Fun little fact, the Nuggets close out the season v Memphis then @ Houston the last two games of the season. I think it will be irrelevant as the Nuggets will be safe in the standings at #2 and will rest their starters the last two games of the season.
 
Suns got 1 off rebound entire game vs Cavs today ? That is hard to do. Suns got smashed and Mobley didn't even play. What a waste of Durant and Booker time there.
 
Suns got 1 off rebound entire game vs Cavs today ? That is hard to do. Suns got smashed and Mobley didn't even play. What a waste of Durant and Booker time there.
They blew it when the let Bridges go to get KD. He was an incredible glue guy and then they chased an aging Beal after that. Front office was making decisions like they were playing fantasy basketball instead building a roster. Can't fault the KD move, but I'd have given up anything else but Booker and Bridges and then the Beal move was just dumb.
 
They won't do it, but Golden State should blow it up. None of their young guys are good enough to be the 3rd or even 4th best player on a contender going forward. Their future is looking bleak. They have all their own picks, but so long as Steph and Draymond are there, they are destined for play in territory, making those picks, without some crazy lottery luck, pretty meh.

Could be a pretty quick reset if they send out Steph, Draymond,m and Kuminga. Take back some bad money, get a boat load of picks and a couple promising youngster. Tank for the rest of this year and probably the two after this. Look to 2028 to make a big free agent/trade. Wala
 
They won't do it, but Golden State should blow it up. None of their young guys are good enough to be the 3rd or even 4th best player on a contender going forward. Their future is looking bleak. They have all their own picks, but so long as Steph and Draymond are there, they are destined for play in territory, making those picks, without some crazy lottery luck, pretty meh.

Could be a pretty quick reset if they send out Steph, Draymond,m and Kuminga. Take back some bad money, get a boat load of picks and a couple promising youngster. Tank for the rest of this year and probably the two after this. Look to 2028 to make a big free agent/trade. Wala
I think letting Steph go would be a mistake.

He deserves the Kobe treatment and should retire as a Warrior.
 
They won't do it, but Golden State should blow it up. None of their young guys are good enough to be the 3rd or even 4th best player on a contender going forward. Their future is looking bleak. They have all their own picks, but so long as Steph and Draymond are there, they are destined for play in territory, making those picks, without some crazy lottery luck, pretty meh.

Could be a pretty quick reset if they send out Steph, Draymond,m and Kuminga. Take back some bad money, get a boat load of picks and a couple promising youngster. Tank for the rest of this year and probably the two after this. Look to 2028 to make a big free agent/trade. Wala
I think letting Steph go would be a mistake.

He deserves the Kobe treatment and should retire as a Warrior.
Yeah, there is a 0% chance they trade Curry unless he quietly requests it.
 
They won't do it, but Golden State should blow it up. None of their young guys are good enough to be the 3rd or even 4th best player on a contender going forward. Their future is looking bleak. They have all their own picks, but so long as Steph and Draymond are there, they are destined for play in territory, making those picks, without some crazy lottery luck, pretty meh.

Could be a pretty quick reset if they send out Steph, Draymond,m and Kuminga. Take back some bad money, get a boat load of picks and a couple promising youngster. Tank for the rest of this year and probably the two after this. Look to 2028 to make a big free agent/trade. Wala
I think letting Steph go would be a mistake.

He deserves the Kobe treatment and should retire as a Warrior.
what is the kobe treaetment is that like he should allegedly be allowed to commit rape pay the woman off and not go to jail and then still have a bunch of dopes talk about how great of a person he was or what the sounds horrible take that to the bank bromigo
 
They won't do it, but Golden State should blow it up. None of their young guys are good enough to be the 3rd or even 4th best player on a contender going forward. Their future is looking bleak. They have all their own picks, but so long as Steph and Draymond are there, they are destined for play in territory, making those picks, without some crazy lottery luck, pretty meh.

Could be a pretty quick reset if they send out Steph, Draymond,m and Kuminga. Take back some bad money, get a boat load of picks and a couple promising youngster. Tank for the rest of this year and probably the two after this. Look to 2028 to make a big free agent/trade. Wala
I think letting Steph go would be a mistake.

He deserves the Kobe treatment and should retire as a Warrior.
I tend to agree but still holding out hope he gets a year in Charlotte while his dad is still on the commentary.
 
I think tanking is generally a pretty bad idea for a number of reasons but I can't imagine anyone paying Warriors ticket prices to go see Moody, Jackson-Davis, and Podziemski play basketball for 3-5 years while they blow more lottery picks.
 
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I think tanking is generally a pretty bad idea for a number of reasons but I can't imagine anyone paying Warriors ticket prices to go see Moody, Jackson-Davis, and Podziemski play basketball for 3-5 years while they blow more lottery picks.
:shrug:
Once Steph and Draymond are gone there will be a much longer drought and people won't pay then either. I think taking a 2-3 year hit now as opposed to a 4-5 year hit later may make more sense.

And yes, this is all predicated on Steph being OK moving on
 
I think tanking is generally a pretty bad idea for a number of reasons but I can't imagine anyone paying Warriors ticket prices to go see Moody, Jackson-Davis, and Podziemski play basketball for 3-5 years while they blow more lottery picks.
:shrug:
Once Steph and Draymond are gone there will be a much longer drought and people won't pay then either. I think taking a 2-3 year hit now as opposed to a 4-5 year hit later may make more sense.

And yes, this is all predicated on Steph being OK moving on
There are maybe 2-3 front offices in the league that I’d trust to rebuild that quickly. The odds are none of the picks that come back for those guys land in the top 10 anytime soon either.
 
I think tanking is generally a pretty bad idea for a number of reasons but I can't imagine anyone paying Warriors ticket prices to go see Moody, Jackson-Davis, and Podziemski play basketball for 3-5 years while they blow more lottery picks.
:shrug:
Once Steph and Draymond are gone there will be a much longer drought and people won't pay then either. I think taking a 2-3 year hit now as opposed to a 4-5 year hit later may make more sense.

And yes, this is all predicated on Steph being OK moving on
There are maybe 2-3 front offices in the league that I’d trust to rebuild that quickly. The odds are none of the picks that come back for those guys land in the top 10 anytime soon either.
Actually, forgot that Steph can't be traded this season anyway. He signed an extension at the end of August
 
I think tanking is generally a pretty bad idea for a number of reasons but I can't imagine anyone paying Warriors ticket prices to go see Moody, Jackson-Davis, and Podziemski play basketball for 3-5 years while they blow more lottery picks.
:shrug:
Once Steph and Draymond are gone there will be a much longer drought and people won't pay then either. I think taking a 2-3 year hit now as opposed to a 4-5 year hit later may make more sense.

And yes, this is all predicated on Steph being OK moving on
Steph has made it pretty clear that he’s not going to be traded
 
I think tanking is generally a pretty bad idea for a number of reasons but I can't imagine anyone paying Warriors ticket prices to go see Moody, Jackson-Davis, and Podziemski play basketball for 3-5 years while they blow more lottery picks.
:shrug:
Once Steph and Draymond are gone there will be a much longer drought and people won't pay then either. I think taking a 2-3 year hit now as opposed to a 4-5 year hit later may make more sense.

And yes, this is all predicated on Steph being OK moving on
Steph has made it pretty clear that he’s not going to be traded
Meh. Wouldn't expect him to say anything differently at this point.
 
They won't do it, but Golden State should blow it up. None of their young guys are good enough to be the 3rd or even 4th best player on a contender going forward. Their future is looking bleak. They have all their own picks, but so long as Steph and Draymond are there, they are destined for play in territory, making those picks, without some crazy lottery luck, pretty meh.

Could be a pretty quick reset if they send out Steph, Draymond,m and Kuminga. Take back some bad money, get a boat load of picks and a couple promising youngster. Tank for the rest of this year and probably the two after this. Look to 2028 to make a big free agent/trade. Wala
I think letting Steph go would be a mistake.

He deserves the Kobe treatment and should retire as a Warrior.
Yeah, there is a 0% chance they trade Curry unless he quietly requests it.

I was thinking adding Butler or someone along those lines could make things interesting instead of just blowing it up.
 
Per Shams, Suns trade their unprotected 2031 1st to the Jazz for the least favorable in each of these three years first rounders:

2025 - Min, Cle
2027 - Uta, Min, Cle
2029 - Uta, Min, Cle

Is probably the first step in a 4-team mega deal including Jimmy Butler, per Ira Winderman.
 
Per Shams, Suns trade their unprotected 2031 1st to the Jazz for the least favorable in each of these three years first rounders:

2025 - Min, Cle
2027 - Uta, Min, Cle
2029 - Uta, Min, Cle

Is probably the first step in a 4-team mega deal including Jimmy Butler, per Ira Winderman.
It’s a hell of an interesting bet by the jazz. I know they don’t need the picks necessarily, but betting on a pick 6 years from now is remarkable.

I would assume a 4 team deal would still have to include Beal, unless they can somehow send out multiple players to different teams and not have e it count as aggregating, though still not sure how they could legally make it work. Will be fascinating if they can pull something off, even though it might still not work out for Phoenix in the playoffs.
 
Here is what @evansidery claims

There’s some buzz building around a potential Jimmy Butler trade framework including the Heat, Suns, Bucks and a facilitating fourth team.

Phoenix would receive Jimmy Butler. Milwaukee would receive Bradley Beal. Miami would receive Khris Middleton. Facilitator takes on salary.

Seems bizarre for Milwaukee unless they think Middleton is just 100% cooked
 
Per Shams, Suns trade their unprotected 2031 1st to the Jazz for the least favorable in each of these three years first rounders:

2025 - Min, Cle
2027 - Uta, Min, Cle
2029 - Uta, Min, Cle

Is probably the first step in a 4-team mega deal including Jimmy Butler, per Ira Winderman.
Can't complain having an aggressive owner but...

I don't think adding Jimmy alone gets Suns to play defense. (Dunn, who presumably moves to bench with Butler, is their best defender).

If they're somehow able to move Nurkic for another defensive big, will be a bit more interesting. Nick Richards is a definite upgrade on Nurkic/Plumlee defensively and athletically but ideally is a committee center.

With the # of available SG/wings on the market, Just the possibility that the Suns could move Beal, his horrible deal with a no trade clause, and his inability to stay healthy, before those guys is amazing. He's an upgrade on Middleton but I don't know how the Bucks situation with Beal would be anything different than the Suns' current situation with Beal
 
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Here is what @evansidery claims

There’s some buzz building around a potential Jimmy Butler trade framework including the Heat, Suns, Bucks and a facilitating fourth team.

Phoenix would receive Jimmy Butler. Milwaukee would receive Bradley Beal. Miami would receive Khris Middleton. Facilitator takes on salary.

Seems bizarre for Milwaukee unless they think Middleton is just 100% cooked
Doesn’t everyone on earth, including Middleton and his whole family, think he’s cooked at this point?
 
Here is what @evansidery claims

There’s some buzz building around a potential Jimmy Butler trade framework including the Heat, Suns, Bucks and a facilitating fourth team.

Phoenix would receive Jimmy Butler. Milwaukee would receive Bradley Beal. Miami would receive Khris Middleton. Facilitator takes on salary.

Seems bizarre for Milwaukee unless they think Middleton is just 100% cooked
i like kris a lot and will always be thankful for the title he helped them win but the kris we see now is not the same guy that won that title take that to the bank bromigo
 
Not to go "fantasy" on y'all, but glad I held Jaquez. Sounds like he'll likely get some more minutes unless Middleton is actually going to the Heat?
 
Here is what @evansidery claims

There’s some buzz building around a potential Jimmy Butler trade framework including the Heat, Suns, Bucks and a facilitating fourth team.

Phoenix would receive Jimmy Butler. Milwaukee would receive Bradley Beal. Miami would receive Khris Middleton. Facilitator takes on salary.

Seems bizarre for Milwaukee unless they think Middleton is just 100% cooked
Doesn’t everyone on earth, including Middleton and his whole family, think he’s cooked at this point?
Probably fair but I guess what I also was thinking and didn’t say was how much does Beal add relative to the increased salary. Beal hasn’t helped Phoenix much, so why do expect him to be a positive in Milwaukee for the next three years paying him like three times as much as Middleton? I guess it’s still better and what else can Milwaukee do anyway.
 
Here is what @evansidery claims

There’s some buzz building around a potential Jimmy Butler trade framework including the Heat, Suns, Bucks and a facilitating fourth team.

Phoenix would receive Jimmy Butler. Milwaukee would receive Bradley Beal. Miami would receive Khris Middleton. Facilitator takes on salary.

Seems bizarre for Milwaukee unless they think Middleton is just 100% cooked
Doesn’t everyone on earth, including Middleton and his whole family, think he’s cooked at this point?
Probably fair but I guess what I also was thinking and didn’t say was how much does Beal add relative to the increased salary. Beal hasn’t helped Phoenix much, so why do expect him to be a positive in Milwaukee for the next three years paying him like three times as much as Middleton? I guess it’s still better and what else can Milwaukee do anyway.

I'll believe the Beal rumors when I see him suiting up for the Bucks at the Fiserv and not before. In other words, I agree with both of you.
 

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