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I saw that last night, I was hoping those were fake. Who has toenails like that?In case any of yall were lucky enough to have missed it last night....
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I saw that last night, I was hoping those were fake. Who has toenails like that?In case any of yall were lucky enough to have missed it last night....
NSFL warning
Skip to 3:15, and hope yall are good with.....feet stuff
I saw that last night, I was hoping those were fake. Who has toenails like that?In case any of yall were lucky enough to have missed it last night....
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Skip to 3:15, and hope yall are good with.....feet stuff
Injuries suck but still have a nice base with Ball/Miller/Williams along with moveable contracts on their roster to improve it. Ball is quietly IMO 4th in the NBA in PPG. I think his shooting efficiency will improve as he gets better talent around him.Brandon Miller out for the season. Hard to know if they have much to build around when your young guys are always getting hurt.
SOD?Bronny 31 last night?
We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
Yes, move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember the he couldn’t even start for a bad college team arguments.We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
Dynamite drop-inNBA has turned into a joke
He's averaging 14 ppg on 36.6% FG and 21.2% from 3. He's averaging less than two FT attempts per game, and he's got a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. I'm not sure he'd be starting on a good college team right now.Yes, move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember the he couldn’t even start for a bad college team arguments.We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
Those are just his stats from the tip off tournament. Since then, he’s gotten more into a groove and gone 23/6/5 with 2stl and 2to on 43/46/89 shooting. Super small sample size and yeah it’s just G league, but he’s been getting more comfortable and aggressive out there from what I’ve heard.He's averaging 14 ppg on 36.6% FG and 21.2% from 3. He's averaging less than two FT attempts per game, and he's got a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. I'm not sure he'd be starting on a good college team right now.Yes, move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember the he couldn’t even start for a bad college team arguments.We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
@msudaisy26 where the hell have you been and welcome back?Dynamite drop-inNBA has turned into a joke
Not from me, I'm not a hater. Although I still think the Celtics should have drafted him to troll the Lakers.Yes, move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember the he couldn’t even start for a bad college team arguments.We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
Rockets win in Cleveland.
The GOAT with 23-14-10 along with his usual elite defense. Winning. Basketball. Player.
Absolutely agree thereNot from me, I'm not a hater. Although I still think the Celtics should have drafted him to troll the Lakers.Yes, move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember the he couldn’t even start for a bad college team arguments.We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
Dynamite drop-inNBA has turned into a joke
@msudaisy26 where the hell have you been and welcome back?Dynamite drop-inNBA has turned into a joke
Good catch. The tip off tournament was 7 games and the stats you are talking about are only from the last 3 games, so in my defense the overall numbers still stink. In any event, I agree with your conclusion, he's doing exactly what we'd expect the 55th pick to do. But IIRC most people didn't have a problem with him being taken at the end of the second round; some people in the debate Capella is referencing were trying to justify him as a first rounder when that was the rumor pre-draft.Those are just his stats from the tip off tournament. Since then, he’s gotten more into a groove and gone 23/6/5 with 2stl and 2to on 43/46/89 shooting. Super small sample size and yeah it’s just G league, but he’s been getting more comfortable and aggressive out there from what I’ve heard.He's averaging 14 ppg on 36.6% FG and 21.2% from 3. He's averaging less than two FT attempts per game, and he's got a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio. I'm not sure he'd be starting on a good college team right now.Yes, move the goalposts. I’m old enough to remember the he couldn’t even start for a bad college team arguments.We're talking about the G league in here?Bronny 31 last night?
He’s nowhere near even being a fringe rotation NBA player, but he’s doing about as well as a late second rounder can be expected.
@msudaisy26 where the hell have you been and welcome back?Dynamite drop-inNBA has turned into a joke
Took a break for awhile and then got busy. Everything is good though.
Rockets win in Cleveland.
Amen The GOAT with 23-14-10 along with his usual elite defense. Winning. Basketball. Player. Dude is special.
OKC has lost 2 of their last 4. It happens. Middle of the season malaise coupled with guys being tired and banged upCavs have lost 3 in a row? Is Mitchell or Mobley hurt?
ETA: Looks like Mobley was out for the first 2, but they were at full strength last night. 2 losses were vs Rockets.
OKC has lost 2 of their last 4. It happens. Middle of the season malaise coupled with guys being tired and banged upCavs have lost 3 in a row? Is Mitchell or Mobley hurt?
ETA: Looks like Mobley was out for the first 2, but they were at full strength last night. 2 losses were vs Rockets.
Well that's what happens when you mess with Dallas. Even down 3-5 players including an MVP candidate lol.OKC has lost 2 of their last 4. It happens. Middle of the season malaise coupled with guys being tired and banged upCavs have lost 3 in a row? Is Mitchell or Mobley hurt?
ETA: Looks like Mobley was out for the first 2, but they were at full strength last night. 2 losses were vs Rockets.
Cavs have lost 3 in a row? Is Mitchell or Mobley hurt?
ETA: Looks like Mobley was out for the first 2, but they were at full strength last night. 2 losses were vs Rockets.
I still really like Scoot. Obviously not as much as much as Amen who has the upside to be amongst the best in the game with what he brings on D. I think they've just got to go through the lumps with Scoot being 20 years old. He's a absolutely shown high upside flashes.Rockets win in Cleveland.
Amen The GOAT with 23-14-10 along with his usual elite defense. Winning. Basketball. Player. Dude is special.
Sure glad Portland drafted a super athletic guard who can't shoot instead of Amen.
I was wary of that stretch anyway, 3 games in 4 days, all with travel, but figured home with Mobley back was the get-right spot. He didn't look comfortable though. On either side of the floor. Hope they're not rushing him, no need to.Cavs have lost 3 in a row? Is Mitchell or Mobley hurt?
ETA: Looks like Mobley was out for the first 2, but they were at full strength last night. 2 losses were vs Rockets.
On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Unless there is significant compensation coming back to Chicago (like more than those three ****ty picks that PHX has), this is a terrible idea. Beal is unequivocally the worst contract in the NBA.On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Unless there is significant compensation coming back to Chicago (like more than those three ****ty picks that PHX has), this is a terrible idea. Beal is unequivocally the worst contract in the NBA.On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Who even has the second worst contract? Simmons held the crown but he's in the final year so it's no longer top 10. Jerami Grant? Embiid? I would have had Murray in the conversation a month ago but it's more just bad than awful as he is playing now. Kawhi has to be in the conversation. Ayton gets a mention but he's only got one year after this. Same goes for Rozier. LaVine is still up there but at least he is playing at a near AS level. Paul George is old and is playing like ****. I think Bam will rebound with his play but as it stands his contract is terrible. Jordan Poole has probably played himself out of the conversation. MPJ is overpaid and will always have back concerns but is still a valuable player.
I think I would have it:
Tier 1 - Beal
Tier 2 - George, Kawhi, Grant
Tier 3 - Embiid, MPJ, LaVine
Dishonorable Mentions - Ayton, Rozier, KAT (best player in 2025 on this list but his contract is massive), Murray (he might play himself out of this), Simmons (most overpaid in 2025 by a large margin), Patrick Williams (the money is less devastating but I'm not sure he is a rotation player), Khris Middleton (only one more year after this), Tobias Harris (only one year after this), Kyle Kuzma (he would be Tier 3 if it didn't descend, Marcus Smart (one more year)
Some contracts to keep an eye on - Poole, Bam, Jaylen Brown (so much money), Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram's next contract, Jrue Holiday, Jaden McDaniels, Dejounte Murray, Aaron Gordon, Alex Caruso, Dillon Brooks, Quickley, Andrew Wiggins, Isaac
Three ****ty firsts seems like a fair return to go from tier 3 to tier 1. Same contract lengths and player options last year. If the Bulls could get that (plus maybe offload a bad and/or expiring contract), I'd do that trade. But Miami will need to be paid too and I don't think there will be enough to go around.Unless there is significant compensation coming back to Chicago (like more than those three ****ty picks that PHX has), this is a terrible idea. Beal is unequivocally the worst contract in the NBA.On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Who even has the second worst contract? Simmons held the crown but he's in the final year so it's no longer top 10. Jerami Grant? Embiid? I would have had Murray in the conversation a month ago but it's more just bad than awful as he is playing now. Kawhi has to be in the conversation. Ayton gets a mention but he's only got one year after this. Same goes for Rozier. LaVine is still up there but at least he is playing at a near AS level. Paul George is old and is playing like ****. I think Bam will rebound with his play but as it stands his contract is terrible. Jordan Poole has probably played himself out of the conversation. MPJ is overpaid and will always have back concerns but is still a valuable player.
I think I would have it:
Tier 1 - Beal
Tier 2 - George, Kawhi, Grant
Tier 3 - Embiid, MPJ, LaVine
Dishonorable Mentions - Ayton, Rozier, KAT (best player in 2025 on this list but his contract is massive), Murray (he might play himself out of this), Simmons (most overpaid in 2025 by a large margin), Patrick Williams (the money is less devastating but I'm not sure he is a rotation player), Khris Middleton (only one more year after this), Tobias Harris (only one year after this), Kyle Kuzma (he would be Tier 3 if it didn't descend, Marcus Smart (one more year)
Some contracts to keep an eye on - Poole, Bam, Jaylen Brown (so much money), Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram's next contract, Jrue Holiday, Jaden McDaniels, Dejounte Murray, Aaron Gordon, Alex Caruso, Dillon Brooks, Quickley, Andrew Wiggins, Isaac
Here is how is contract works (it is almost certainly unguaranteed for 2025-26):Unless there is significant compensation coming back to Chicago (like more than those three ****ty picks that PHX has), this is a terrible idea. Beal is unequivocally the worst contract in the NBA.On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Who even has the second worst contract? Simmons held the crown but he's in the final year so it's no longer top 10. Jerami Grant? Embiid? I would have had Murray in the conversation a month ago but it's more just bad than awful as he is playing now. Kawhi has to be in the conversation. Ayton gets a mention but he's only got one year after this. Same goes for Rozier. LaVine is still up there but at least he is playing at a near AS level. Paul George is old and is playing like ****. I think Bam will rebound with his play but as it stands his contract is terrible. Jordan Poole has probably played himself out of the conversation. MPJ is overpaid and will always have back concerns but is still a valuable player.
I think I would have it:
Tier 1 - Beal
Tier 2 - George, Kawhi, Grant
Tier 3 - Embiid, MPJ, LaVine
Dishonorable Mentions - Ayton, Rozier, KAT (best player in 2025 on this list but his contract is massive), Murray (he might play himself out of this), Simmons (most overpaid in 2025 by a large margin), Patrick Williams (the money is less devastating but I'm not sure he is a rotation player), Khris Middleton (only one more year after this), Tobias Harris (only one year after this), Kyle Kuzma (he would be Tier 3 if it didn't descend, Marcus Smart (one more year)
Some contracts to keep an eye on - Poole, Bam, Jaylen Brown (so much money), Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram's next contract, Jrue Holiday, Jaden McDaniels, Dejounte Murray, Aaron Gordon, Alex Caruso, Dillon Brooks, Quickley, Andrew Wiggins, Isaac
Solid list. Zion deserves mentioning but IIRC the Pels have some option to opt out
If the Bulls trade for him, they should just negotiate a buy out. See if he'll give back $25m or something to have his freedom in the offseason. He isn't going to help them win enough to be useful but he might help them win enough to have the 8th worst record rather than 2nd worst or something next year though.Three ****ty firsts seems like a fair return to go from tier 3 to tier 1. Same contract lengths and player options last year. If the Bulls could get that (plus maybe offload a bad and/or expiring contract), I'd do that trade. But Miami will need to be paid too and I don't think there will be enough to go around.Unless there is significant compensation coming back to Chicago (like more than those three ****ty picks that PHX has), this is a terrible idea. Beal is unequivocally the worst contract in the NBA.On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Who even has the second worst contract? Simmons held the crown but he's in the final year so it's no longer top 10. Jerami Grant? Embiid? I would have had Murray in the conversation a month ago but it's more just bad than awful as he is playing now. Kawhi has to be in the conversation. Ayton gets a mention but he's only got one year after this. Same goes for Rozier. LaVine is still up there but at least he is playing at a near AS level. Paul George is old and is playing like ****. I think Bam will rebound with his play but as it stands his contract is terrible. Jordan Poole has probably played himself out of the conversation. MPJ is overpaid and will always have back concerns but is still a valuable player.
I think I would have it:
Tier 1 - Beal
Tier 2 - George, Kawhi, Grant
Tier 3 - Embiid, MPJ, LaVine
Dishonorable Mentions - Ayton, Rozier, KAT (best player in 2025 on this list but his contract is massive), Murray (he might play himself out of this), Simmons (most overpaid in 2025 by a large margin), Patrick Williams (the money is less devastating but I'm not sure he is a rotation player), Khris Middleton (only one more year after this), Tobias Harris (only one year after this), Kyle Kuzma (he would be Tier 3 if it didn't descend, Marcus Smart (one more year)
Some contracts to keep an eye on - Poole, Bam, Jaylen Brown (so much money), Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram's next contract, Jrue Holiday, Jaden McDaniels, Dejounte Murray, Aaron Gordon, Alex Caruso, Dillon Brooks, Quickley, Andrew Wiggins, Isaac
That said, though, I can totally see the Bulls doing this for less compensation and trying to sell the fans on how good of a leader Beal will be.
Probably all moot though. Beal would probably say no and it's so hard to work out these multi-team deals.
That would be weird for Beal to agree to the trade and then give money back -- he'd have to really hate being with the Suns now. Anyway, I think the Bulls would want him to play. Keep in mind that they don't want to go through a full rebuild.If the Bulls trade for him, they should just negotiate a buy out. See if he'll give back $25m or something to have his freedom in the offseason. He isn't going to help them win enough to be useful but he might help them win enough to have the 8th worst record rather than 2nd worst or something next year though.Three ****ty firsts seems like a fair return to go from tier 3 to tier 1. Same contract lengths and player options last year. If the Bulls could get that (plus maybe offload a bad and/or expiring contract), I'd do that trade. But Miami will need to be paid too and I don't think there will be enough to go around.Unless there is significant compensation coming back to Chicago (like more than those three ****ty picks that PHX has), this is a terrible idea. Beal is unequivocally the worst contract in the NBA.On his podcast, Windhorst said the Bulls have had conversations with the Suns about Beal. Apparently there is some interest although particulars aren’t known and we’re talking about a three or four team deal. There is a connection with Beal from Donovan and Florida but Beal agreeing would be surprising to me.I would guess there is about a 0% chance that the Bulls would be interestedIt'd be funny if the unmovable Beal was moved for Lavine who the Bulls haven't been able to move for years.. That's the only scenario I've ever thought the Suns could get off Beal. Suns are so limited as a 2nd apron team.
Problem for Suns they'd still be built around 3 scorers with overlapping talents with minimal defense. Still, I'd move Beal for Lavine all day.
Wouldn't be a surprise at all if Beal said no to a trade and remained content coming off bench in Phoenix. This is the same guy that wanted a no-trade to remain in Washington....
Who even has the second worst contract? Simmons held the crown but he's in the final year so it's no longer top 10. Jerami Grant? Embiid? I would have had Murray in the conversation a month ago but it's more just bad than awful as he is playing now. Kawhi has to be in the conversation. Ayton gets a mention but he's only got one year after this. Same goes for Rozier. LaVine is still up there but at least he is playing at a near AS level. Paul George is old and is playing like ****. I think Bam will rebound with his play but as it stands his contract is terrible. Jordan Poole has probably played himself out of the conversation. MPJ is overpaid and will always have back concerns but is still a valuable player.
I think I would have it:
Tier 1 - Beal
Tier 2 - George, Kawhi, Grant
Tier 3 - Embiid, MPJ, LaVine
Dishonorable Mentions - Ayton, Rozier, KAT (best player in 2025 on this list but his contract is massive), Murray (he might play himself out of this), Simmons (most overpaid in 2025 by a large margin), Patrick Williams (the money is less devastating but I'm not sure he is a rotation player), Khris Middleton (only one more year after this), Tobias Harris (only one year after this), Kyle Kuzma (he would be Tier 3 if it didn't descend, Marcus Smart (one more year)
Some contracts to keep an eye on - Poole, Bam, Jaylen Brown (so much money), Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram's next contract, Jrue Holiday, Jaden McDaniels, Dejounte Murray, Aaron Gordon, Alex Caruso, Dillon Brooks, Quickley, Andrew Wiggins, Isaac
That said, though, I can totally see the Bulls doing this for less compensation and trying to sell the fans on how good of a leader Beal will be.
Probably all moot though. Beal would probably say no and it's so hard to work out these multi-team deals.
What a ****.Jimmy Butler is now suspended indefinitely after walking out of a shoot-around after finding out he got pulled out of the starting lineup.
Beal isn't making that 25 million back in anyway so I say there is a zero percent chance he gives up anythingIf the Bulls trade for him, they should just negotiate a buy out. See if he'll give back $25m or something to have his freedom in the offseason.