2024-25 NBA Thread: Jimmy Butler demands trade to team with good culture (8 Viewers)

[Long Ball Larry]

Jimmy Butler says he wants to get his “joy back” and doesn’t think he can do that in Miami. Shams says his preferences are Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, and GS.

Time to fire up the trade machines - do those even work any more with all the new CBA restrictions?

Phoenix couldn’t do it unless they give up one of the big three because they can’t aggregate.

It’s hard to get the matching salary from the others in any trade that feels worthwhile. Would Dallas give up Klay, PJ and Kleber? That would get them close. I guess that might be worth it on the floor but seems like Dallas generally likes their chemistry. Gsw would have to give up Wiggins (or Draymond I guess which seems unlikely)

I suppose Houston would be possible if they were to give up vanvleet or brooks, though they would have to give up two or three guys. The other problem is who really wants to give Jimmy several more years at 40ish million?

 

[Instinctive]

First half observations:

1. When your best guy on the court is at best a 3rd best guy on a good team...it's gonna be a bad time. Even if you have like 3-4 guys who could be a 3rd best guy.

2. Evan Mobley is very good

3. Apparently Dean Wade is "radioactively white" with "a ridiculous farmers tan"

4. Garland is the engine of the Cavs, at least tonight. Passing is outstanding.

So you went! I read earlier today that Kyrie was also out and figured it would not be much of a game unless the Cavs were wore out from the roadtrip.

Looking forward to your unbiased opinion on the Cavs!

That is my unbiased opinion! Haha. It's Friday so easy date night even if we knew it would be a slaughter.

Cavs move the ball super well. Even Levert. Mostly reinforced my opinion that Kenny is an outstanding coach.

 

[Instinctive]

Jimmy Butler says he wants to get his “joy back” and doesn’t think he can do that in Miami. Shams says his preferences are Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, and GS.

Time to fire up the trade machines - do those even work any more with all the new CBA restrictions?

Phoenix couldn’t do it unless they give up one of the big three because they can’t aggregate.

It’s hard to get the matching salary from the others in any trade that feels worthwhile. Would Dallas give up Klay, PJ and Kleber? That would get them close. I guess that might be worth it on the floor but seems like Dallas generally likes their chemistry. Gsw would have to give up Wiggins (or Draymond I guess which seems unlikely)

I suppose Houston would be possible if they were to give up vanvleet or brooks, though they would have to give up two or three guys. The other problem is who really wants to give Jimmy several more years at 40ish million?

I would rather have PJ alone than Jimmy from a basketball standpoint at the same price, much less when you toss in the huge contract disparity. Especially surrounding Luka and Kyrie.

 

[thecatch]

Really hate seeing all this discord with Heat culture. I was told - NUMEROUS TIMES - that their culture was enough to get Dame Lillard. That and Tyler Hello.

We were dunking on that trade proposal at the time, but we wouldn’t have been if we knew Herro would start playing like this.

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

First half observations:

1. When your best guy on the court is at best a 3rd best guy on a good team...it's gonna be a bad time. Even if you have like 3-4 guys who could be a 3rd best guy.

2. Evan Mobley is very good

3. Apparently Dean Wade is "radioactively white" with "a ridiculous farmers tan"

4. Garland is the engine of the Cavs, at least tonight. Passing is outstanding.

So you went! I read earlier today that Kyrie was also out and figured it would not be much of a game unless the Cavs were wore out from the roadtrip.

Looking forward to your unbiased opinion on the Cavs!

That is my unbiased opinion! Haha. It's Friday so easy date night even if we knew it would be a slaughter.

Cavs move the ball super well. Even Levert. Mostly reinforced my opinion that Kenny is an outstanding coach.

I thought there might be some more insight after the game was over - no worries, I appreciate what you shared!

ETA - I just checked the score and I see the Mavs are within 12 after being down big. You might have a game!

 

[Dez]

30-4 OKC on Wed should be fun

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

 

[Mister CIA]

Wemby gravity

x.com

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[Bears_Man2]

Great game between SA and Den

Jokic v Wemby

The amount of attention Wemby draws on offense is insane. Guys will get open shots all day & night

OKC looks like the class of the West and have so many routes to add more talent but wouldn't shock at all if Spurs come out of the West THIS season. Also think SA will eventually be a big factor in trade market (if not as soon as this trade deadline)

 

[Gr00vus]

LeBron just passed Jordan for most 30 point games in NBA history.

He might just make it to the hall of fame yet.

A bit under the radar for this game, Daniels for the Hawks has a gazillion steals.

 

[the moops]

I would rather have PJ alone than Jimmy from a basketball standpoint at the same price

This is an awful take. Jimmy Butler may be a clown, but he has been a better basketball player than PJ by a decent margin every year of his career

 

[Instinctive]

I would rather have PJ alone than Jimmy from a basketball standpoint at the same price

This is an awful take. Jimmy Butler may be a clown, but he has been a better basketball player than PJ by a decent margin every year of his career

And yet he's 35 and not very good on defense. An on ball, limited passing, score-first guard whose defense is far exceeded by reputation is not an addition.

It's not an awful take, it's an informed one. Washington is better this year, and llikely to be better every year going forward.

Now if you're saying I could trade for five-years-ago Jimmy Butler, but he'd be transported through time today, I'd trade PJ for him in an instant! If you've got that technology, I'll quit my job and come run the company to monetize it today. Just let me know, let's get rich.

 

[thecatch]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

LeBron just passed Jordan for most 30 point games in NBA history.

He might just make it to the hall of fame yet.

A bit under the radar for this game, Daniels for the Hawks has a gazillion steals.

It only took him about 450 more games than Jordan.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

He has a player option for 52 million next year. Any team trading for him has to deal with the possibility that a) they can get him to agree to opt out and take a deal of something like 3/120 or b) he opts into that and they have $52 million in their books for next year and/or c) he is just as agitated with his new team not giving him a new deal so they have to deal with this same kind of circus.

And yes that is likely to depress his trade value

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think I read that the only team that reasonably could get $50 million under the cap next year is the Nets. Jimmy has to work with Miami one way or the other.

 

[Yo Mama]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

 

[thecatch]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

Yeah, I think Miami might be able to do a swap for expiring contracts and maybe a mildly interesting young player but that's about it.

 

[Yo Mama]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

Yeah, I think Miami might be able to do a swap for expiring contracts and maybe a mildly interesting young player but that's about it.

How about Smart/Clarke/Kennard for Butler? Sorry I’m bored.

 

[Desert_Power]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

Yeah, I think Miami might be able to do a swap for expiring contracts and maybe a mildly interesting young player but that's about it.

How about Smart/Clarke/Kennard for Butler? Sorry I’m bored.

Probably the best one I've seen.

 

[thecatch]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

Yeah, I think Miami might be able to do a swap for expiring contracts and maybe a mildly interesting young player but that's about it.

How about Smart/Clarke/Kennard for Butler? Sorry I’m bored.

Probably the best one I've seen.

Yep, my only question is whether Jimmy opting in next year would put them in luxury tax jail.

 

[General Malaise]

Really hate seeing all this discord with Heat culture. I was told - NUMEROUS TIMES - that their culture was enough to get Dame Lillard. That and Tyler Hello.

We were dunking on that trade proposal at the time, but we wouldn’t have been if we knew Herro would start playing like this.

He's been terrific.

Won't be able to grade the Dame trade in full until after they use the cacophony of number one picks from franchises on decline in 2030 or so.

 

[Gr00vus]

LeBron just passed Jordan for most 30 point games in NBA history.

He might just make it to the hall of fame yet.

A bit under the radar for this game, Daniels for the Hawks has a gazillion steals.

It only took him about 450 more games than Jordan.

Yes it's remarkable that LeBron has been able to perform at such an exceptional level for so much longer than Jordan did.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

Yeah, I think Miami might be able to do a swap for expiring contracts and maybe a mildly interesting young player but that's about it.

How about Smart/Clarke/Kennard for Butler? Sorry I’m bored.

This was mentioned on last nights duncd on (maybe listener comment)

The other one that seemed somewhat plausible is the Kings sending derozan, huerter and Lyles. Seems like the type of players the Heat might be interested in and the Kings could be ready to shake up the roster

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

He has a player option for 52 million next year. Any team trading for him has to deal with the possibility that a) they can get him to agree to opt out and take a deal of something like 3/120 or b) he opts into that and they have $52 million in their books for next year and/or c) he is just as agitated with his new team not giving him a new deal so they have to deal with this same kind of circus.

And yes that is likely to depress his trade value

LBL, I knew this day would come because whenever he leaves a team the bridge seems to be burned behind him on the way out
I completely genuflect and thank Jimmy B for reigniting many Heat fans after the LBJ hangover that lasted a long time
Butler is mostly the definition of what the Heat desire in a player
Since the last NBA Finals appearance, the candle has slowly burned out
I feel like Jimmy should try hard to just be a 3rd or 4th option and he likely can achieve a ring with the right team
But if you root for him when he's on your team, you kinda know its not in his DNA to just be a spare part

As a Heat fan, i wish him the best, feel bad the team suspended him, I'm disappointed in Riley and the front office to allow it to sink to this level
This is the M-I-A-M-I Heat dad gummit!

 

[Zow]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

He has a player option for 52 million next year. Any team trading for him has to deal with the possibility that a) they can get him to agree to opt out and take a deal of something like 3/120 or b) he opts into that and they have $52 million in their books for next year and/or c) he is just as agitated with his new team not giving him a new deal so they have to deal with this same kind of circus.

And yes that is likely to depress his trade value

LBL, I knew this day would come because whenever he leaves a team the bridge seems to be burned behind him on the way out
I completely genuflect and thank Jimmy B for reigniting many Heat fans after the LBJ hangover that lasted a long time
Butler is mostly the definition of what the Heat desire in a player
Since the last NBA Finals appearance, the candle has slowly burned out
I feel like Jimmy should try hard to just be a 3rd or 4th option and he likely can achieve a ring with the right team
But if you root for him when he's on your team, you kinda know its not in his DNA to just be a spare part

As a Heat fan, i wish him the best, feel bad the team suspended him, I'm disappointed in Riley and the front office to allow it to sink to this level
This is the M-I-A-M-I Heat dad gummit!

What would you have liked to see Riley and the front office do differently?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

He has a player option for 52 million next year. Any team trading for him has to deal with the possibility that a) they can get him to agree to opt out and take a deal of something like 3/120 or b) he opts into that and they have $52 million in their books for next year and/or c) he is just as agitated with his new team not giving him a new deal so they have to deal with this same kind of circus.

And yes that is likely to depress his trade value

LBL, I knew this day would come because whenever he leaves a team the bridge seems to be burned behind him on the way out
I completely genuflect and thank Jimmy B for reigniting many Heat fans after the LBJ hangover that lasted a long time
Butler is mostly the definition of what the Heat desire in a player
Since the last NBA Finals appearance, the candle has slowly burned out
I feel like Jimmy should try hard to just be a 3rd or 4th option and he likely can achieve a ring with the right team
But if you root for him when he's on your team, you kinda know its not in his DNA to just be a spare part

As a Heat fan, i wish him the best, feel bad the team suspended him, I'm disappointed in Riley and the front office to allow it to sink to this level
This is the M-I-A-M-I Heat dad gummit!

What would you have liked to see Riley and the front office do differently?

I feel dumb answering this because you know exactly what I'm going to post
-Trade him before it gets to this point. All local radio was prepping folks for Butler getting traded at any moment from the start of the season
Riley and the FO dragged their feet on this and now I don't think they will get much for him after they announced they were "listening"
If you believe most reports, the Heat have been listening since the off season.
You don't allow a possible future HoF level player to force his way out
It impedes future stars coming here. You loved it when he signed back in 2019/2020, too the Heat 2 times to the Finals when nobody really expected much from them
Just do it right and honor what he accomplished while he was in a Heat jersey because I don't recall him playing in the Finals prior to a Heat jersey
Celebrate vs Hate and a 7 game suspension, the Ministry looks down on this unnecessary suspension

 

[Dr. Octopus]

referred to me when we met as mr my last name

Does it start with a “C”, is you name something like Samuel Wilson Corbett?

 

[Zow]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

He has a player option for 52 million next year. Any team trading for him has to deal with the possibility that a) they can get him to agree to opt out and take a deal of something like 3/120 or b) he opts into that and they have $52 million in their books for next year and/or c) he is just as agitated with his new team not giving him a new deal so they have to deal with this same kind of circus.

And yes that is likely to depress his trade value

LBL, I knew this day would come because whenever he leaves a team the bridge seems to be burned behind him on the way out
I completely genuflect and thank Jimmy B for reigniting many Heat fans after the LBJ hangover that lasted a long time
Butler is mostly the definition of what the Heat desire in a player
Since the last NBA Finals appearance, the candle has slowly burned out
I feel like Jimmy should try hard to just be a 3rd or 4th option and he likely can achieve a ring with the right team
But if you root for him when he's on your team, you kinda know its not in his DNA to just be a spare part

As a Heat fan, i wish him the best, feel bad the team suspended him, I'm disappointed in Riley and the front office to allow it to sink to this level
This is the M-I-A-M-I Heat dad gummit!

What would you have liked to see Riley and the front office do differently?

I feel dumb answering this because you know exactly what I'm going to post
-Trade him before it gets to this point. All local radio was prepping folks for Butler getting traded at any moment from the start of the season
Riley and the FO dragged their feet on this and now I don't think they will get much for him after they announced they were "listening"
If you believe most reports, the Heat have been listening since the off season.
You don't allow a possible future HoF level player to force his way out
It impedes future stars coming here. You loved it when he signed back in 2019/2020, too the Heat 2 times to the Finals when nobody really expected much from them
Just do it right and honor what he accomplished while he was in a Heat jersey because I don't recall him playing in the Finals prior to a Heat jersey
Celebrate vs Hate and a 7 game suspension, the Ministry looks down on this unnecessary suspension

I truly didn't. I promise you this is a genuine question and I'm not asking you to give me the circumference of a pizza or whether it is appropriate to bring tuna into a theater.

I appreciate your feedback. I had not been following the Butler situation closely and my impression of him is tainted by his time in Minnesota. I wanted to get a Heat fan's perspective.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Heat suspend Butler for 7 games

Jimmy Butler trade request: Heat suspend star forward for seven games, will listen to offers

Butler appears to have gotten his way as Miami will look to deal him

www.cbssports.com

-As a Heat fan i don't like that it came to this point. Butler took a fairly undersized and under talented Heat team to the Finals twice and deserves the Heat's respect
I wish Jimmy had not said what he did and forced the trade to happen BUT the Heat had to know how he felt and I heard rumors of him being traded before the season started
To my knowledge he's in the last year of his deal, he's 35? I don't think the Heat are going to get much for him

Hate that they opted to suspend him 7 games

He has a player option for 52 million next year. Any team trading for him has to deal with the possibility that a) they can get him to agree to opt out and take a deal of something like 3/120 or b) he opts into that and they have $52 million in their books for next year and/or c) he is just as agitated with his new team not giving him a new deal so they have to deal with this same kind of circus.

And yes that is likely to depress his trade value

LBL, I knew this day would come because whenever he leaves a team the bridge seems to be burned behind him on the way out
I completely genuflect and thank Jimmy B for reigniting many Heat fans after the LBJ hangover that lasted a long time
Butler is mostly the definition of what the Heat desire in a player
Since the last NBA Finals appearance, the candle has slowly burned out
I feel like Jimmy should try hard to just be a 3rd or 4th option and he likely can achieve a ring with the right team
But if you root for him when he's on your team, you kinda know its not in his DNA to just be a spare part

As a Heat fan, i wish him the best, feel bad the team suspended him, I'm disappointed in Riley and the front office to allow it to sink to this level
This is the M-I-A-M-I Heat dad gummit!

What would you have liked to see Riley and the front office do differently?

I feel dumb answering this because you know exactly what I'm going to post
-Trade him before it gets to this point. All local radio was prepping folks for Butler getting traded at any moment from the start of the season
Riley and the FO dragged their feet on this and now I don't think they will get much for him after they announced they were "listening"
If you believe most reports, the Heat have been listening since the off season.
You don't allow a possible future HoF level player to force his way out
It impedes future stars coming here. You loved it when he signed back in 2019/2020, too the Heat 2 times to the Finals when nobody really expected much from them
Just do it right and honor what he accomplished while he was in a Heat jersey because I don't recall him playing in the Finals prior to a Heat jersey
Celebrate vs Hate and a 7 game suspension, the Ministry looks down on this unnecessary suspension

I truly didn't. I promise you this is a genuine question and I'm not asking you to give me the circumference of a pizza or whether it is appropriate to bring tuna into a theater.

I appreciate your feedback. I had not been following the Butler situation closely and my impression of him is tainted by his time in Minnesota. I wanted to get a Heat fan's perspective.

How kind of you but not necessary, I just thought you were questioning what I felt shoulda been different and it just seems obvious to most Heat fans
We usually don't hear about players on the trade block or perhaps unhappy behind closed doors, just feels like Jimmy in a professional manner let them know
They opted to drag their feet because the Heat always feel like they have to get the upper hand which is partly why Lillard was not traded to the Heat
Lillard by all accounts wanted desperately to join the Heat and many players get what they want in the NBA, he didn't

-Feels like the Heat haven't been a playa for many free agents or aligning the stars to come thru Miami in quite a while now
Butler did his work twice getting them to the NBA Finals, mostly alone from my POV, they didn't go out and find a lot of additional help to push them over the top
They have hit on a few draft picks but nothing seems to be working for them right now, not in the way they are accustomed to

 

[thecatch]

I spent some time on the trade machine this morning and getting the salaries to work with any team that might potentially be interested in Butler is a nightmare. Then you factor in the actual talent return to Miami and whether the acquiring team wants to deal with Jimmy's shenanigans... hard to see the deal out there right now.

The “best” I could come up with were Bane/Konchar/Jackson from Memphis and Vassell/Barnes from SA. Not even sure what Jimmy’s value is right now, so no idea what kind of other draft comp would have to go in either direction for those.

Any team over the 2nd apron is impossible. Thanks Adam Silver for nuking trade season.

Yeah, I think Miami might be able to do a swap for expiring contracts and maybe a mildly interesting young player but that's about it.

How about Smart/Clarke/Kennard for Butler? Sorry I’m bored.

This was mentioned on last nights duncd on (maybe listener comment)

The other one that seemed somewhat plausible is the Kings sending derozan, huerter and Lyles. Seems like the type of players the Heat might be interested in and the Kings could be ready to shake up the roster

I tried Derozan, Huerter, and McLaughlin this morning which also works. The Kings can't afford to give up Lyles given the way the rest of their big rotation looks. But I still wouldn't do that if I'm Sacramento for a bunch of reasons, namely because he's not that big of an upgrade on Derozan and presents the same fit issues, Sacramento couldn't give him a big long term deal, that prospect of that $50 million option next year is scary, and I can't imagine he's going to be thrilled to go spend a bunch of time in a small market.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Grizzlies make by far the most sense with fit and return package for Butler.

Return won't be much but also won't saddle Heat with bad long term contracts.

 

[Mister CIA]

Back-to-back Spurs at Nuggets tonight.

Go Spurs Go!

Edit: it's a home game for the Spurs. Seems kind of dumb to do home/away for a back to back between two teams, but the NBA knows more about scheduling than me.

 

[Mister CIA]

Happy 21st birthday, Wemby.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Back-to-back Spurs at Nuggets tonight.

Go Spurs Go!

Edit: it's a home game for the Spurs. Seems kind of dumb to do home/away for a back to back between two teams, but the NBA knows more about scheduling than me.

They know about the scheduling but that doesn’t always mean they know how to do it well…

But I guess it does basically put both teams on equal footing , though a little curious that it’s basically in the middle of a home stand for the nuggets and in the middle of a road trip for the spurs

Edit: are the spurs in the middle of the rodeo road trip?

 

[Capella]

LeBron just passed Jordan for most 30 point games in NBA history.

He might just make it to the hall of fame yet.

A bit under the radar for this game, Daniels for the Hawks has a gazillion steals.

It only took him about 450 more games than Jordan.

Yes it's remarkable that LeBron has been able to perform at such an exceptional level for so much longer than Jordan did.

 

[Mister CIA]

Spurs next 4 on the road. Rodeo road trip next month (6 in a row).

 

[Major]

LeBron just passed Jordan for most 30 point games in NBA history.

He might just make it to the hall of fame yet.

A bit under the radar for this game, Daniels for the Hawks has a gazillion steals.

It only took him about 450 more games than Jordan.

Yes it's remarkable that LeBron has been able to perform at such an exceptional level for so much longer than Jordan did.

The popularity of TRT and other legal enhancements will definitely enable players to extend their careers. Jordan also didn't take care of himself like Lebron does. Still amazing regardless of how he does it.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Maybe Miami should have paid that man his money…

 

[Zow]

Back to being nervous about the Wolves. Little Woz was so confused by the Pistons loss after I explained they weren't a super strong team.

 

[Frostillicus]

Back to being nervous about the Wolves. Little Woz was so confused by the Pistons loss after I explained they weren't a super strong team.

It's not good, dude. It's confusing, because there is a lot of talent (whcih is why they're still in play for the playoffs). The vibes are bad, there are some brutal defensive lapses, and now we got Ant scoring 50 and we lose by double digits to a bad team. Finch absolutely has got to start stretching the bench. Dillingham (when healthy), Miller, Shannon, and Minott need to be getting run. Whatever their faults, it's not like the team is lighting the world on fire. You are going to not hurt the team by giving these guys some run to see what they can do.

Dillingham especially needs to be playing. He was the 8th pick, and the team gave up their last remaining draft capital to move up and take him because they needed a back-up PG, a PG of the future, and a second shot creator after Ant. With Conley showing his age some nights there is zero reason for him not to be playing. Zero. None. He's been fine in his extremely limited time and showed some positive flashes. It's just bonkers at this point.

The Wolves are not going to get a top seed this year. That much is obvious, so start mixing and matching and trying some things with the youngsters. Maybe things click at some point, but this **** ain't working.

 

[Frostillicus]

Back to being nervous about the Wolves. Little Woz was so confused by the Pistons loss after I explained they weren't a super strong team.

Tell Little Woz that the team is still trying to find out how to work together with some new players, but we will be ok because we have a superhero on our team.

Then pray that's true.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Back to being nervous about the Wolves. Little Woz was so confused by the Pistons loss after I explained they weren't a super strong team.

It's not good, dude. It's confusing, because there is a lot of talent (whcih is why they're still in play for the playoffs). The vibes are bad, there are some brutal defensive lapses, and now we got Ant scoring 50 and we lose by double digits to a bad team. Finch absolutely has got to start stretching the bench. Dillingham (when healthy), Miller, Shannon, and Minott need to be getting run. Whatever their faults, it's not like the team is lighting the world on fire. You are going to not hurt the team by giving these guys some run to see what they can do.

Dillingham especially needs to be playing. He was the 8th pick, and the team gave up their last remaining draft capital to move up and take him because they needed a back-up PG, a PG of the future, and a second shot creator after Ant. With Conley showing his age some nights there is zero reason for him not to be playing. Zero. None. He's been fine in his extremely limited time and showed some positive flashes. It's just bonkers at this point.

The Wolves are not going to get a top seed this year. That much is obvious, so start mixing and matching and trying some things with the youngsters. Maybe things click at some point, but this **** ain't working.

I haven’t watched Dillingham’s NBA minutes but wouldn’t he get absolutely destroyed on defense at this point in his career? It’s just so hard for 20-year old rookies to have a positive net impact on a good NBA team. His lack of size makes him particularly vulnerable.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Maybe Miami should have paid that man his money…

Maybe a guy getting paid nearly 50 million a year to play basketball should give max effort and not quit on his team...

 

[Major]

Back to being nervous about the Wolves. Little Woz was so confused by the Pistons loss after I explained they weren't a super strong team.

It's not good, dude. It's confusing, because there is a lot of talent (whcih is why they're still in play for the playoffs). The vibes are bad, there are some brutal defensive lapses, and now we got Ant scoring 50 and we lose by double digits to a bad team. Finch absolutely has got to start stretching the bench. Dillingham (when healthy), Miller, Shannon, and Minott need to be getting run. Whatever their faults, it's not like the team is lighting the world on fire. You are going to not hurt the team by giving these guys some run to see what they can do.

Dillingham especially needs to be playing. He was the 8th pick, and the team gave up their last remaining draft capital to move up and take him because they needed a back-up PG, a PG of the future, and a second shot creator after Ant. With Conley showing his age some nights there is zero reason for him not to be playing. Zero. None. He's been fine in his extremely limited time and showed some positive flashes. It's just bonkers at this point.

The Wolves are not going to get a top seed this year. That much is obvious, so start mixing and matching and trying some things with the youngsters. Maybe things click at some point, but this **** ain't working.

I haven’t watched Dillingham’s NBA minutes but wouldn’t he get absolutely destroyed on defense at this point in his career? It’s just so hard for 20-year old rookies to have a positive net impact on a good NBA team. His lack of size makes him particularly vulnerable.

Sounds like you're talking about Reed Sheppard. I really hope they send him to G-League to get some reps. He's not doing any good just sitting on Udoka's bench.

 

[Jayrod]

Anyone wanting to see what the best of NBA has to offer, you should find a way to watch this OKC vs BOS match up.

This is some great basketball.

 

[Jayrod]

Anyone wanting to see what the best of NBA has to offer, you should find a way to watch this OKC vs BOS match up.

This is some great basketball.

Except for Scott Foster doing Scott Foster things. Two weak calls on OKC that should have been play ons.

 

[Jayrod]

OKC is missing a piece without Chet's rim protection. Boston killing it in the paint so far.

ETA: Boston shot 73.9% from 2 in the 1st half.

 

[Jayrod]

OKC is missing a piece without Chet's rim protection. Boston killing it in the paint so far.

ETA: Boston shot 73.9% from 2 in the 1st half.

Celtics got away from attacking the paint, started launching 3's where they shot like 20% and lost the game in the last 5 minutes.

OKC is a very legit contender.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

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