2024-25 NBA Thread: Kevin Love fulfillls destiny by being traded to Utah (126 Viewers)

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Rostering & paying guy that can't even play next season >>>> Rostering and refusing to pay mopey multi-millionaire with no motor that can't get to games in snow

Good luck to the Lakers though

I'm sure they'll be Domin-Ayton

Enjoy him!

Even with all that he’s still an upgrade to whatever else the Lakers had. At least they aren’t paying him much of anything.

This season will be the first time a crowd ever chants "We Want Jaxson!"

 

[Yo Mama]

Rostering & paying guy that can't even play next season >>>> Rostering and refusing to pay mopey multi-millionaire with no motor that can't get to games in snow

Good luck to the Lakers though

I'm sure they'll be Domin-Ayton

Enjoy him!

Even with all that he’s still an upgrade to whatever else the Lakers had. At least they aren’t paying him much of anything.

This season will be the first time a crowd ever chants "We Want Jaxson!"

Oh god I hope not.

 

[Kev4029]

Derik Queen had wrist surgery and will be re-evaluated in 12 weeks. That has to be the most injury riddled team in the NBA.

 

[Capella]

dame is ahead of kd for sure take that to the bank brohans

All-time?????

 

[General Malaise]

dame is ahead of kd for sure take that to the bank brohans

All-time?????

Lol, no. Nobody thinks that. But as far as dudes go, he's light years ahead of KD in coolness and KD will never catch him.

 

[the moops]

Chauncey Billups (HOF) with Denver.

Good call, that should be the winner.

Jrue >>>>>> Chauncey

 

[scoobus]

Chauncey Billups (HOF) with Denver.

Good call, that should be the winner.

Jrue >>>>>> Chauncey

Wat?

 

[msudaisy26]

Chauncey Billups (HOF) with Denver.

Good call, that should be the winner.

Jrue >>>>>> Chauncey

I agree Jrue is better, but not that much.

 

[Kev4029]

Chauncey Billups (HOF) with Denver.

Good call, that should be the winner.

Jrue >>>>>> Chauncey

I agree Jrue is better, but not that much.

I'm going to go to bat for my Colorado boy... I think Billups is the better player at it isn't even close. Billups was the best player on a championship team (including finals MVP), once finished top five in MVP voting with 15 first place votes (i.e. not one of those years where somebody got 90% of the first place votes) and received votes in three other years (Jrue has never received an MVP vote), made three All-NBA teams (to Jrue's zero), made five all-star games (Jrue made 2), and actually brought out the very best in Melo, especially on the defense end.

Anybody arguing Jrue over Billups forgot what Billups was from like 2003 to 2011.

 

[Kev4029]

Fun stat - I was just looking at MVP Award Shares (cumulative of the % of maximum vote they received in every year) and Jokic is now #7 all time, behind what I would classify as the 6 best players of all time - Lebron (8.831), Jordan (8.115), Kareem (6.105), Bird (5.612), Magic (5.104), and Russell (4.852). Jokic has 4.460 juuust ahead of Wilt (4.423), and Shaq (4.380).

 

[Capella]

dame is ahead of kd for sure take that to the bank brohans

All-time?????

Lol, no. Nobody thinks that. But as far as dudes go, he's light years ahead of KD in coolness and KD will never catch him.

I can get that.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

 

[msudaisy26]

Chauncey Billups (HOF) with Denver.

Good call, that should be the winner.

Jrue >>>>>> Chauncey

I agree Jrue is better, but not that much.

I'm going to go to bat for my Colorado boy... I think Billups is the better player at it isn't even close. Billups was the best player on a championship team (including finals MVP), once finished top five in MVP voting with 15 first place votes (i.e. not one of those years where somebody got 90% of the first place votes) and received votes in three other years (Jrue has never received an MVP vote), made three All-NBA teams (to Jrue's zero), made five all-star games (Jrue made 2), and actually brought out the very best in Melo, especially on the defense end.

Anybody arguing Jrue over Billups forgot what Billups was from like 2003 to 2011.

As a Pistons fan I watched a ton of Billups and love what he for my team, but that team was really good and put together well. Billup's is overrated and should be in the Hall of good, not that the half fame.

I also don't think he was the best player on those Piston teams. Ben Wallace was the most important player, Rasheed was the most talented, RIP was the hardest worker and Billups was the general. A very important role, but not the best.

 

[msudaisy26]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

His stats were top 15, he isn't a top 15 player. Probably not even top 40. A lot of average players put up good stats on bad teams. Look at John Collins last year.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

A lot of average players put up good stats on bad teams

In a sense, but that cliche doesn't apply entirely to point guards. It's not like someone launching thirty shots a game or parking himself underneath the basket to get cheap rebounds. Giddey was an exceptional facilitator the second half, a true all-around point guard.

He has a Jason Kidd type of style to his game.

 

[Kev4029]

A lot of average players put up good stats on bad teams

In a sense, but that cliche doesn't apply entirely to point guards. It's not like someone launching thirty shots a game or parking himself underneath the basket to get cheap rebounds. Giddey was an exceptional facilitator the second half, a true all-around point guard.

He has a Jason Kidd type of style to his game.

He's like a post-prime Rajon Rondo with the defense acumen of a ostrich. He's not even a top 100 player in the NBA.

 

[General Malaise]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

His stats were top 15, he isn't a top 15 player. Probably not even top 40. A lot of average players put up good stats on bad teams. Look at John Collins last year.

I have him at 17.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

Bulls would be doing him at favor at 25 this offseason.

Only the Nets had the money (and potential opening at PG). They drafted 75 PG in the draft and no longer have the need.

Giddey doesn't hold much trade value either. I could see Giddey becoming an URFA next offseason. But again, Giddeys value could fall off a cliff in one season. He's simply not a great value as an off ball player and poor defensively.

Bulls are his best spot - money and role. Bulls hold all the cards this offseason and I love that for them. Giddey might not like it. And even if he gets nothing close to what he wants, he still could lose many millions passing on what they're offering this offseason.

 

[Instinctive]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

Bulls would be doing him at favor at 25 this offseason.

Only the Nets had the money (and potential opening at PG). They drafted 75 PG in the draft and no longer have the need.

Giddey doesn't hold much trade value either. I could see Giddey becoming an URFA next offseason. But again, Giddeys value could fall off a cliff in one season. He's simply not a great value as an off ball player and poor defensively.

Bulls are his best spot - money and role. Bulls hold all the cards this offseason and I love that for them. Giddey might not like it. And even if he gets nothing close to what he wants, he still could lose many millions passing on what they're offering this offseason.

He's gonna learn how leverage works unless the Bulls are idiots

 

[SayWhat?]

He's gonna learn how leverage works unless the Bulls are idiots

So…he won’t learn how leverage works.

 

[Juxtatarot]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

Bulls would be doing him at favor at 25 this offseason.

Only the Nets had the money (and potential opening at PG). They drafted 75 PG in the draft and no longer have the need.

Giddey doesn't hold much trade value either. I could see Giddey becoming an URFA next offseason. But again, Giddeys value could fall off a cliff in one season. He's simply not a great value as an off ball player and poor defensively.

Bulls are his best spot - money and role. Bulls hold all the cards this offseason and I love that for them. Giddey might not like it. And even if he gets nothing close to what he wants, he still could lose many millions passing on what they're offering this offseason.

He's gonna learn how leverage works unless the Bulls are idiots

Although I largely agree, there can be valid concerns about using that leverage too much and not only pissing off Giddey, but also having the perception from agents and players that they are trying to screw him over. The Bulls already have a reputation of being cheap and prioritizing profits over winning.

Anyway, I assume they eventually agree somewhere around 25 plus or minus 3.

Despite some of his limitations, Giddey had a fantastic end to the season and should have that same role next year. After the All-Star break, he averaged 21.2/10.7/9.3 on 50/46 shooting. Of course that happened in the dog-days of the NBA season and the 3-point shooting will certainly go down, but it's plausible that he outplays his contract. Bulls shouldn't mess this up by being stingy over a few million,

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[Frostillicus]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

Bulls would be doing him at favor at 25 this offseason.

Only the Nets had the money (and potential opening at PG). They drafted 75 PG in the draft and no longer have the need.

Giddey doesn't hold much trade value either. I could see Giddey becoming an URFA next offseason. But again, Giddeys value could fall off a cliff in one season. He's simply not a great value as an off ball player and poor defensively.

Bulls are his best spot - money and role. Bulls hold all the cards this offseason and I love that for them. Giddey might not like it. And even if he gets nothing close to what he wants, he still could lose many millions passing on what they're offering this offseason.

He's gonna learn how leverage works unless the Bulls are idiots

Although I largely agree, there can be valid concerns about using that leverage too much and not only pissing off Giddey, but also having the perception from agents and players that they are trying to screw him over. The Bulls already have a reputation of being cheap and prioritizing profits over winning.

Anyway, I assume they eventually agree somewhere around 25 plus or minus 3.

Despite some of his limitations, Giddey had a fantastic end to the season and should have that same role next year. After the All-Star break, he averaged 21.2/10.7/9.3 on 50/46 shooting. Of course that happened in the dog-days of the NBA season and the 3-point shooting will certainly go down, but it's plausible that he outplays his contract. Bulls shouldn't mess this up by being stingy over a few million,

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I had to double-check this and not only did he put up these numbers but the Bulls went 12-7 in games he played (with some pretty good wins mixed in). Ostrich-level defense or not, I'm thinking they should probably pay him.

 

[Juxtatarot]

It seems that Josh Giddey won't budge on 30m per year, and the Bulls won't even go to 25.

He was a monster after the All-Star game last season. A top fifteen player in the league.

Bulls would be doing him at favor at 25 this offseason.

Only the Nets had the money (and potential opening at PG). They drafted 75 PG in the draft and no longer have the need.

Giddey doesn't hold much trade value either. I could see Giddey becoming an URFA next offseason. But again, Giddeys value could fall off a cliff in one season. He's simply not a great value as an off ball player and poor defensively.

Bulls are his best spot - money and role. Bulls hold all the cards this offseason and I love that for them. Giddey might not like it. And even if he gets nothing close to what he wants, he still could lose many millions passing on what they're offering this offseason.

He's gonna learn how leverage works unless the Bulls are idiots

Although I largely agree, there can be valid concerns about using that leverage too much and not only pissing off Giddey, but also having the perception from agents and players that they are trying to screw him over. The Bulls already have a reputation of being cheap and prioritizing profits over winning.

Anyway, I assume they eventually agree somewhere around 25 plus or minus 3.

Despite some of his limitations, Giddey had a fantastic end to the season and should have that same role next year. After the All-Star break, he averaged 21.2/10.7/9.3 on 50/46 shooting. Of course that happened in the dog-days of the NBA season and the 3-point shooting will certainly go down, but it's plausible that he outplays his contract. Bulls shouldn't mess this up by being stingy over a few million,

​

I had to double-check this and not only did he put up these numbers but the Bulls went 12-7 in games he played (with some pretty good wins mixed in). Ostrich-level defense or not, I'm thinking they should probably pay him.

I can’t help but think that an ostrich would be an awesome defender.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Maybe the Bulls don’t need Giddey.

Japanese guard Yuki Kawamura has agreed to a two-way NBA deal with the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN. Bulls finalized the deal with Kawamura's agents at Wasserman to sign the 5-foot-8 point guard amid a strong summer league.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Maybe the Bulls don’t need Giddey.

Japanese guard Yuki Kawamura has agreed to a two-way NBA deal with the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN. Bulls finalized the deal with Kawamura's agents at Wasserman to sign the 5-foot-8 point guard amid a strong summer league.

Chuck Swirsky (the Bulls radio play-by-play announcer) raves about this guy. Swirsky's son, coached Kawamura in the G-League.

 

[Capella]

Marcus Smart to the Lakers, presumably to replace DFS.

 

[Capella]

Adding Ayton, Smart and that white boy from Sacramento is a pretty good offseason for the Lakers.

 

[Frostillicus]

Not only did I just watch nearly an entire summer league game, but since it was a "meaningless" game for the standings the Wolves and Rockets both benched all their "starters".

 

[scoobus]

Not only did I just watch nearly an entire summer league game, but since it was a "meaningless" game for the standings the Wolves and Rockets both benched all their "starters".

Jesse Edwards looking good.

 

[Desert_Power]

Not only did I just watch nearly an entire summer league game, but since it was a "meaningless" game for the standings the Wolves and Rockets both benched all their "starters".

Are you doing OK?

 

[thecatch]

Kings-Raptors today involved 200x more defense than I've ever seen in a summer league game. The game still wasn't high quality but it was at least fun watching guys actually try out there.