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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Getting ready for camp. (16 Viewers)

Not to oversell one win, but the Lions have been in six games decided by a field goal or less (including the last four). They're now 1-4-1 in those games. With a little luck they could be 3-9 or 4-8. Still bad, but not the league embarrassment. 

Maybe they have the nucleus of something there?

 
I’d post Goff’s postgame closing remarks on Oxford but then you ####ers would want him to stay

alright alright here ya go


Goff seems like a very decent man.  I just wish he were a better QB as he is only 26. Just don`t see much upside left in Goff other than being a solid backup type.

As far as winning this game is does not hurt Lions.  Looking at schedule another win will be difficult to find but you never know.

I have very mixed feelings on Campbell.   The team does play hard but a HCs main job is to put the team in position to win game.  Campbell does the opposite. Campbells only saving grace is he is HC of the Lions so matter how many blunders he makes he will get at least 3 years.

Another thing the Lions have many borderline NFL players so I think are they playing hard for Campbell or playing hard to stay in the NFL?  

Not sure what the announced attendence was but it was way below that. 
Never seen so many empty seats.   I was offered free tickets from 2 different people.  Actually said no to both then my daughters said they would go.  Called back and they were still available.

 
To act that way when you win your first game, in December is embarrassing as players. Nothing to celebrate being 1-10-1, nothing. Just so I'm clear, you catch that touchdown, you shake hands of players tap the helmets and walk into the tunnel with your head up is all. Running around with your helmet off screaming is embarrassing.


Tell me you've never played competitive team sports without saying that you've never played competitive team sports

 
Not sure what the announced attendence was but it was way below that. 
45K

couple veteran beat writers posted photos around 12:55

Kyke Meinke & one of the white haired guys

both said they’ve never seen so many empty seats 

Justin Rogers says it’s the 5th lowest at Ford Field. The other 4 were NOT from 0-16 but rather 2009 - including the famous Stafford game v Browns

whatever it was, was fun to listen to the place exploding on the radio broadcast - must be awesome seeing a walkoff TD (seen a few walkoff HRs in MLB but never football TD that I recall)

 
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Goff seems like a very decent man.  I just wish he were a better QB as he is only 26. Just don`t see much upside left in Goff other than being a solid backup type.

As far as winning this game is does not hurt Lions.  Looking at schedule another win will be difficult to find but you never know.

I have very mixed feelings on Campbell.   The team does play hard but a HCs main job is to put the team in position to win game.  Campbell does the opposite. Campbells only saving grace is he is HC of the Lions so matter how many blunders he makes he will get at least 3 years.

Another thing the Lions have many borderline NFL players so I think are they playing hard for Campbell or playing hard to stay in the NFL?  
I’m with you on both. It’s hard not to like Campbell. Dude exudes positivity and I love the energy he brings to the table. Goff is a nice kid who, honestly, has kind of been dealt a crappy hand.

They won despite Dan Campbell yesterday. But I will say this: that team loves him. AND, importantly, they respect him. They will run through brick walls for him. Detroit VS Everybody, LFG.

Goff really is a nice guy. At the time he was a #1 overall draft pick, he hadn’t traveled 35 miles for HS & college. He was so not ready as a rookie. Then they hired a QB Whisperer and he was an All Pro 2x and going to the Super Bowl. The Whisperer thing is literal though…once teams figured out McVay was reading the coverage and giving that to Jared, they just started shifting late, after the mic cuts off when the play clock is at 15 seconds.

That’s part of the story. I don’t know how to explain the other because I think it’s wrapped into complex psychological issues. But Bill Belichick destroyed him. You’d think that, hey, pro athlete - shake it off, on to the next challenge. But he’s never been the same.

After the Super Bowl season he got the massive, market rate extension all franchise Quarterbacks are due after Y3 or at worst Y4. And nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to pay one dime of the non-guaranteed portion. With the restructure this spring (we needed cap space to sign the rookie class), he’s got this year and next. Then he’s gonna be on the street and it’s either be a backup or take up acting & modeling.

He has been awful this year. He was a little better yesterday, and he still nearly gave it away. Tried to jam a pass into Hock when Amon-Ra was virtually uncovered, interception. Then on the WTF are they doing 4th & 1 from the 28, the primary was Jamaal in the flat. Well covered and he never had time to find the next progression. Tiny Hands strikes again; fumble, predictable 20 yard TD drive, game over. 110 seconds and 75 yards? With Staff, hell to the yeah. Goof? You serious, Clark?

Man, what a thing of beauty that 14 play drive was. Incredible play by Godwin Igwebuike to catch a flare on the right side and sprint all the way to the left sideline (with half the D trying to track him down) to stop the clock. ARSB hurdling defenders to get OOB on another play. Amon-Ra was 4-37-1 on that drive, Jared went 9/14. Back against the wall, nobody thinks they can get it done, and they did it. 

Let’s hope they build on this. I really do want to see both the HC and this QB succeed. 55th season as a fan, just once before I die Lord.

DC has a 6-year and we’re stuck with him for at least 3-4 more seasons. I am not gonna be demonize him and make it seem like he’s the only issue. Team is not close. He’s one problem, he’s not THE problem. But he has to do a better job in game. He’s an embarrassment rn and the whole country (or that portion that pays attention to the #1 sport) thinks he is a clown. He’s not giving anyone a lot of evidence to think otherwise.

Goff is always gonna have tiny hands. Man did I take Staffird’s cannon for granted. Jared is nowhere close to that, there’s no zip to his ball. Cannot complete deep balls unless it’s a blown coverage. Maybe he evolves like Tannehil or Jim Plunkett? I have my doubts. Two year placeholder,  so gotta root for him for 22 more games. Unless something miraculous happens, he’s gotta go after that. I don’t even care if it’s an outright cut with no ROI, it would be addition by subtraction.

Love this team and I love victory Mondays. I always will.

 
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BTW, trolls going after low fruit are the crap. Go after a team in first place. But you can't can you little boy?


Grave dancers. But honestly IDC. If they don’t understand loyalty that’s not on me. Folks who don’t understand competitive fire, no issue. You do you.

People in the Swift thread last week saying he’ll get shut down for the year. Beyond the fact the shoulder sprain probably isn’t as bad as initially feared, you play. To win. The game.

You're never better off tanking. DC and everyone else in the organization is evaluating if these are the guys who they want to be part of this thing. From the athletes perspective, there’s no quit. That’s not in the vocabulary. It’s why sports is such a great thing.

Your past doesn’t matter. Your record is irrelevant. What happened earlier in the game is of no consequence. What matters is the task, the objective, the mission, the goal, the assignment in front of you RIGHT NOW.

You give it everything, you sacrifice every fiber of your being, just to succeed. When you get it right, when you get that dub, you celebrate like a mother####er. Because that’s why you do what you do.

There are years of preparation and hard work and dedication that led to that moment. You and your teammates have been working your collective butts off for months and it finally came together.

That moment of euphoria when you succeed  and prove all the doubters and haters wrong, that’s the best feeling in the world. You cannot not feel that. It has to come out. It is pure, unadulterated joy and you deserve every second of it.

 
Yesterday was your Super Bowl - all week you can party like it is 1957.


I’d like to snap back with a snarky retort, but sadly, you right about that.

:lol:

Here’s my dream. Probably never happens, but hey, it’s my dream, so I get to write it.

  • The Steelers were the joke of the league 1933-1971
  • The Patriots got Ir wrong for 40+ years
  • The Browns hadn’t won a championship the entire SB era. Moved, changed their name, gave up thier identity & history, and voila, became a model NFL franchise
  • It took the Chiefs 50 years to win their second Super Bowl
Maybe one day that could my team. Probably not, I only have another 20-30 years left, but...it could be.

 
I’m with you on both. It’s hard not to like Campbell. Dude exudes positivity and I love the energy he brings to the table. Goff is a nice kid who, honestly, has kind of been dealt a crappy hand.

They won despite Dan Campbell yesterday. But I will say this: that team loves him. AND, importantly, they respect him. They will run through brick walls for him. Detroit VS Everybody, LFG.

Goff really is a nice guy. At the time he was a #1 overall draft pick, he hadn’t traveled 35 miles for HS & college. He was so not ready as a rookie. Then they hired a QB Whisperer and he was an All Pro 2x and going to the Super Bowl. The Whisperer thing is literal though…once teams figured out McVay was reading the coverage and giving that to Jared, they just started shifting late, after the mic cuts off when the play clock is at 15 seconds.

That’s part of the story. I don’t know how to explain the other because I think it’s wrapped into complex psychological issues. But Bill Belichick destroyed him. You’d think that, hey, pro athlete - shake it off, on to the next challenge. But he’s never been the same.

After the Super Bowl season he got the massive, market rate extension all franchise Quarterbacks are due after Y3 or at worst Y4. And nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to pay one dime of the non-guaranteed portion. With the restructure this spring (we needed cap space to sign the rookie class), he’s got this year and next. Then he’s gonna be on the street and it’s either be a backup or take up acting & modeling.

He has been awful this year. He was a little better yesterday, and he still nearly gave it away. Tried to jam a pass into Hock when Amon-Ra was virtually uncovered, interception. Then on the WTF are they doing 4th & 1 from the 28, the primary was Jamaal in the flat. Well covered and he never had time to find the next progression. Tiny Hands strikes again; fumble, predictable 20 yard TD drive, game over. 110 seconds and 75 yards? With Staff, hell to the yeah. Goof? You serious, Clark?

Man, what a thing of beauty that 14 play drive was. Incredible play by Godwin Igwebuike to catch a flare on the right side and sprint all the way to the left sideline (with half the D trying to track him down) to stop the clock. ARSB hurdling defenders to get OOB on another play. Amon-Ra was 4-37-1 on that drive, Jared went 9/14. Back against the wall, nobody thinks they can get it done, and they did it. 

Let’s hope they build on this. I really do want to see both the HC and this QB succeed. 55th season as a fan, just once before I die Lord.

DC has a 6-year and we’re stuck with him for at least 3-4 more seasons. I am not gonna be demonize him and make it seem like he’s the only issue. Team is not close. He’s one problem, he’s not THE problem. But he has to do a better job in game. He’s an embarrassment rn and the whole country (or that portion that pays attention to the #1 sport) thinks he is a clown. He’s not giving anyone a lot of evidence to think otherwise.

Goff is always gonna have tiny hands. Man did I take Staffird’s cannon for granted. Jared is nowhere close to that, there’s no zip to his ball. Cannot complete deep balls unless it’s a blown coverage. Maybe he evolves like Tannehil or Jim Plunkett? I have my doubts. Two year placeholder,  so gotta root for him for 22 more games. Unless something miraculous happens, he’s gotta go after that. I don’t even care if it’s an outright cut with no ROI, it would be addition by subtraction.

Love this team and I love victory Mondays. I always will.


The play by Godwin getting OB probably won the game for them. 

I took Stafford for granted too but he has been Stafford like against good teams with turnovers this season too and he has a great supporting cast.  If Stafford does not win a playoff game this year he never will

 
I’d like to snap back with a snarky retort, but sadly, you right about that.

:lol:

Here’s my dream. Probably never happens, but hey, it’s my dream, so I get to write it.

  • The Steelers were the joke of the league 1933-1971
  • The Patriots got Ir wrong for 40+ years
  • The Browns hadn’t won a championship the entire SB era. Moved, changed their name, gave up thier identity & history, and voila, became a model NFL franchise
  • It took the Chiefs 50 years to win their second Super Bowl
Maybe one day that could my team. Probably not, I only have another 20-30 years left, but...it could be.
I am a Bears fan so I feel your pain. I would love to see both of our teams get good and the Packers to get bad.

 
UDFA CB Jerry Jacobs continues to put in solid work. Making his 8th start , tallied seven tackles, 2 TFL, and a QB hit on a corner blitz. His 7 PD are second on the team

Jacobs’ 64.5 season defensive grade for the season from PFF ranks fourth among all NFL rookie corners that have played at least 200 snaps, and the highest of undrafted players.

To give that some context, opposite corner Amani Oruwariye (5 INT) has a grade of 57.0, and S Tracey Walker - widely acknowledged as the Lions best DB this year - clocks in at 66.8.

Jacobs (Arkansas) opted out last year after 4 G. Before that he had a couple solid years at Arkansas State (Sun Belt Conf.)

Another UDFA signed within hours of the draft, Brock Wright (TE Notre Dame) caught a spectacular contested ball for a TD yesterday. (Love that the first guy to congratulate him was TJ coming from the opposite side.)

Great job by Brad Holmes and the scouting staff.

 
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Preliminary PFF Grades Week 13

DETROIT LIONS

Quarterback

Jared Goff had one of his better games of the season, racking up 296 yards and three touchdowns. He did throw an interception, but he made three big-time throws for a 7.3% big-time throw rate, pending review. While he's often maligned for being a conservative quarterback, Goff found success with that strategy in Week 13: 51% of his passes were short of the sticks. He posted an 8.7-yard average depth of target.

Running back

Jamaal Williams saw the bulk of the work out of the Lions' backfield with D’Andre Swift out of the lineup. The former Packer carried the ball 17 times for 71 yards, including 54 after contact.

Jamaal Williams 38.1

Godwin Igwebuike 66.2

Jermar Jefferson 54.7

Wide receivers/Tight ends

Week 13 marked the long-awaited breakout game for Amon-Ra St. Brown, who posted a career-high 10 catches for 86 yards and the game-winning touchdown. He didn’t record a drop and ran most of his routes from inside (68.2% of his routes from the slot). No other Detroit pass-catcher had more than four receptions — Josh Reynolds and TJ Hockenson had four apiece — but Hockenson and Brock Wright both recorded touchdowns.

ASIDE - another prelim PFF Grade article - might have been Justin Rogers - gave our Hock’s grade & was pretty low bc his blocking sucked. Between stupid penalties and not winning as many blocking assignments, TJ is just not as good of a football player as he was a year ago. Still darn good but I expected him to step up not regress.

Offensive line

Rookie tackle Penei Sewell led the way in pass protection, allowing just one pressure (for a sack) on 45 pass-blocking snaps en route to a 79.6 pass-blocking grade, pending review. As a unit, the Lions posted an elite 87.1 pass-blocking grade, giving up five total pressures.

Defensive line

Charles Harris was the star of the Detroit defense, getting home to Cousins twice on the afternoon. He tallied seven total pressures, a 13.2% win rate and an 80.1 pass-rush grade on first review.

Linebackers

Alex Anzalone co-led the defense in snaps (71), but he posted just a 57.6 overall grade on first review of the film. He graded negatively on 8% of his run-defense plays and allowed four catches on five targets in coverage.

Secondary

Safety Tracy Walker co-led the defense in tackles with seven. Walker was especially elite in coverage, allowing one catch for just a single yard on one target.

*Pending Final Review for all listed grades

 
I’d like to snap back with a snarky retort, but sadly, you right about that.

:lol:

Here’s my dream. Probably never happens, but hey, it’s my dream, so I get to write it.

  • The Steelers were the joke of the league 1933-1971
  • The Patriots got Ir wrong for 40+ years
  • The Browns hadn’t won a championship the entire SB era. Moved, changed their name, gave up thier identity & history, and voila, became a model NFL franchise
  • It took the Chiefs 50 years to win their second Super Bowl
Maybe one day that could my team. Probably not, I only have another 20-30 years left, but...it could be.
The Steelers turnaround was extraordinary. They were terrible and perennial losers, in the pre-merger NFL, they were the oldest team never to have won a league championship, It was such a surprise that they became one of the greatest franchises. Their teams known for grit and determination.

The Rooney Family has owned the Steelers throughout their years of misery and triumph. Long standing ownership like the Ford family.

So yeah if the Steelers can overcome a tradition of losing maybe the Lions can.

 
The play by Godwin getting OB probably won the game for them. 

I took Stafford for granted too but he has been Stafford like against good teams with turnovers this season too and he has a great supporting cast.  If Stafford does not win a playoff game this year he never will
I'd like to see Godwin get more play, he seems to be a guy who comes through for you.

 
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Grave dancers. But honestly IDC. If they don’t understand loyalty that’s not on me. Folks who don’t understand competitive fire, no issue. You do you.

People in the Swift thread last week saying he’ll get shut down for the year. Beyond the fact the shoulder sprain probably isn’t as bad as initially feared, you play. To win. The game.

You're never better off tanking. DC and everyone else in the organization is evaluating if these are the guys who they want to be part of this thing. From the athletes perspective, there’s no quit. That’s not in the vocabulary. It’s why sports is such a great thing.

Your past doesn’t matter. Your record is irrelevant. What happened earlier in the game is of no consequence. What matters is the task, the objective, the mission, the goal, the assignment in front of you RIGHT NOW.

You give it everything, you sacrifice every fiber of your being, just to succeed. When you get it right, when you get that dub, you celebrate like a mother####er. Because that’s why you do what you do.

There are years of preparation and hard work and dedication that led to that moment. You and your teammates have been working your collective butts off for months and it finally came together.

That moment of euphoria when you succeed  and prove all the doubters and haters wrong, that’s the best feeling in the world. You cannot not feel that. It has to come out. It is pure, unadulterated joy and you deserve every second of it.
For the record, I think shutting down Swift would be a fine idea. They won a game. They're not good. They know he's a piece of the winning puzzle. None of that will change whether he plays or not. I don't see the point of risking further, more permanent injury (if that could happen) when they guy already established himself as a good pickup. 

It has nothing to do with tanking, and everything to do with protecting one of the few good things the team has going for it. 

 
Rally Monkey said:
I mean, you did, you responded but none the less I understand the truth hurts.

At the same time, this type of mentality is why you will never see your team in a super bowl in your life time.

Fans need to demand more from their team when they never ever put a competitive team on the field.

You call it trolling, its clearly a controversial point with the fanbase as I truly believe the teams owners dont care because the fans dont expect more or care as a whole.

From the happiness around a 1-10-1 team, how could you ever expect the owners to care? And with a straight face are we saying the Fords care? This team had Barry and Calvin tell them to take a hike. Gronk said nope. 

I would love to see this fanbase create the first ownership ouster, and sports radio is all about it, seems no one here is. 
When you fight like hell and win on the last play of the game, you are overjoyed and you celebrate and you celebrate hard like the Lions did yesterday whether its your first win in 12 games or your 12th or anywhere in between. 

Anyone that say otherwise doesn't know #### about sports. 

 
For the record, I think shutting down Swift would be a fine idea. They won a game. They're not good. They know he's a piece of the winning puzzle. None of that will change whether he plays or not. I don't see the point of risking further, more permanent injury (if that could happen) when they guy already established himself as a good pickup. 

It has nothing to do with tanking, and everything to do with protecting one of the few good things the team has going for it. 
I think that is a very good idea. When it was reported that they planned to use Swift to carry the load it increased the odds significantly of injury. He seems to be a back that you do not want to use inside too much and also has some limits to his usage. Because of his elusiveness and big play ability the temptation to overuse him is there.

I also think that the Lions need to see what they have in Jefferson and Godwin. I think we know what we have in Jamaal Williams and it is a good all around back. If they are satisfied with all 4 RBs they could ignore RB and focus on the other positions in the next draft.

 
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When you fight like hell and win on the last play of the game, you are overjoyed and you celebrate and you celebrate hard like the Lions did yesterday whether its your first win in 12 games or your 12th or anywhere in between. 

Anyone that say otherwise doesn't know #### about sports. 
Just watched the Lions locker room celebration. It was enjoyable and surprising to see Sheila there celebrating and partying with the guys. These are not the same old Lions.

 
Just watched the Lions locker room celebration. It was enjoyable and surprising to see Sheila there celebrating and partying with the guys. These are not the same old Lions.


“That was un-#######g--believable”

Campbell’s gonna break her in half with his bear hugs one of these days, he lifted her a couple feet off the ground

there is great camaraderie with this crew, ya love to see it

 
For the record, I think shutting down Swift would be a fine idea. They won a game. They're not good. They know he's a piece of the winning puzzle. None of that will change whether he plays or not. I don't see the point of risking further, more permanent injury (if that could happen) when they guy already established himself as a good pickup. 

It has nothing to do with tanking, and everything to do with protecting one of the few good things the team has going for it. 


You are certainly entitled to your opinion, friend.

Here's an actual quote from the Denver rookie RB thread:

Javonte could always make business decisions...to preserve his career


That's about as far removed from reality as it gets.

But NBD. Everyone is free to decide for themselves what is the mindset of a competitive athlete. I have some pretty specific takes on that, and I'm comfortable with accepting that not everyone thinks the way I do.

 
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, friend.

Here's an actual quote from the Denver rookie RB thread:

That's about as far removed from reality as it gets.

But NBD. Everyone is free to decide for themselves what is the mindset of a competitive athlete. I have some pretty specific takes on that, and I'm comfortable with accepting that not everyone thinks the way I do.
I wasn't talking about him. I assume that (like most athletes) he wants to be out there if he can contribute. I was talking about the mindset of the team GM and office staff. They don't need any more games to see that Swift was a good choice. It doesn't matter what other back they could have had. They have Swift, and he's good. End of story. 

The season is lost but they won a game. If you want to evaluate what you have going forward, there's no need to do that with Swift. He's been evaluated. He's a win. Let him rehab. 

If the Vikings are out of the playoff hunt in a couple weeks, should they rush Thielen back? If the Raiders were 3-10, would there be any chance Waller takes the field again? Again, from the standpoint of the team management, I think not. Same with Swift imo. 

 
Just because you correctly call a team bad ( which we are all more than perfectly aware of ), doesn’t automatically mean that any of the other drivel in your opening post, contains a modicum of logic and sense or understanding. So much wrong that it would simply take too much effort dissect it all and reply to each bit. Just don’t have the time or energy to tbh. 

 
So now we know where the troll gets his material, lol.


Found the Valenti alias. Unless Monarrez is on here...

But srsly did anyone besides troll boi think I was being serious here? 

Oh, right, no emoji - how in the world would anyone not take it literally?

Other than the absurdity of celebrating moving from 32nd to 30th....

(credit where credit is due...it was a meme on r/DetroitLions...highly recommend dropping by & enjoying a few chuckles)

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My son has never really gotten into American football. He played soccer and tennis and captained his curling club in college. Whereas I was the typical 3 sport guy of my generation, with baseball being my passion.

When it comes to the pitch, he’s as much of a nerd as I was growing up. 714, 511, 3,508, .367, .406, 96 - these were sacred digits in my world. I knew a litle about the NFL record book but I was into sabermetrics decades before the world at large knew who Bill James was.

Point being my oldest has that kind of encyclopedic knowledge about soccer. In junior high I would see the light under his bedroom door & knew there must be a CAF WC - Confederation of African Football World Cup - qualifier going on. I was an indulgent father, we’d order one off channels so he could watch Bundesliga. Loves USMNT & Sounders FC, but roots for the Samurai Blue very 4 years.

His PL team is telling, though. He roots for NUFC* primarily because of this game. Now he gives grief about being a Lions fan ALL THE TIME. Yet he’s a Magpie*. They’ve been on the top division all but 3 years of their existence, only 5 clubs have more PL seasons, and their last title was 1927. In owner Mike Ashley (2007-21), Newcastle* had the Premier League equivalent of the Ford family. Never wanted to invest in the club, sold off or loaned out his best players, rarely went after top talent during the transfer period. Their greatest player, Alan Shearer, is the all-time leading goal scorer of the PL. Never came within a country mile of winning any kind of championship.

The parallels between Newcastle United* and the Detroit Lions are nearly endless. Newcastle Upon Tyne is 291 miles north of London. It’s the longest road trip for nearly every team in the league (e.g., every year they travel further than every other team.) Nobody wants to play up there, it’s a depressing industrial town with few cultural opportunities. Their amazing fans - the Toon Army* - hate their owner with a passion and campaigned passionately for him to sell the team. They boasted one the greatest strikers in the history of English football but never surrounded him with enough players to succeed (sound like anyone we know?)

Anyway, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. It’s a constant source of amusement for me that he chooses to willingly root for the saddest sacks of the U.K. At least I can blame provincial attitudes of my time. Never occurred it was a choice to root for the Wolverines, Tigers, Red Wings, Pistons & Lions. These were the teams of my father and uncles and grandfathers. It was the furthest thing in my mind that I could adopt another team. I didn’t choose the SOL life, it chose me.

But sometime in the past decade, I did add a 6th franchise to my sports fandom. Now I’m a Gordie*, too.

*all various names of the football club or their incredible fan base

________________

Oh, and Mike Ashley sold the Newcastle Football Club this year. Our new owners are the Public Investment Fund..of Saudi Arabia. So :confetti: now we have unlimited (blood) money for the transfer window.

Unrelated - If the Ford family sold, do you think they would only sell to an owner that pledged to keep them in Michigan? There are 13 cities with franchises from the North American Big 4 (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHA.) The smallest cities are Denver, Detroit and Minneapolis. It’s all any of us has ever known - continuous since 1957, which might be the second longest behind only New York?

I’ve always worried that one day we’ll get the St Louis treatment. Even though I haven’t lived in Michigan since the last century, I don’t think my fandom would transfer if any of the teams moved. 

 
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Scoring a touchdown as time expires to win the game. 

Hitting a walkoff hit in baseball to win the game. 

Hitting a shot as time expires in basketball to win the game

Scoring an overtime goal in hockey to win the game. 

In all of the above you see players celebrating like there's no tomorrow regardless of how good or bad they are. Winning a game does that.

Show me any of the above where the players just walk off the field or court or skate off the ice without a big party-like celebration.

Good luck with that.

Case closed.  :thumbup:

 
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Unrelated - If the Ford family sold, do you think they would only sell to an owner that pledged to keep them in Michigan? There are 13 cities with franchises from the North American Big 4 (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHA.) The smallest cities are Denver, Detroit and Minneapolis. It’s all any of us has ever known - continuous since 1957, which might be the second longest behind only New York?

I’ve always worried that one day we’ll get the St Louis treatment. Even though I haven’t lived in Michigan since the last century, I don’t think my fandom would transfer if any of the teams moved. 
Detroit remains the 15th largest television market of any metropolitan area in the country.  They aren't going anywhere.

 
Found the Valenti alias. Unless Monarrez is on here...

But srsly did anyone besides troll boi think I was being serious here? 

Oh, right, no emoji - how in the world would anyone not take it literally?

Other than the absurdity of celebrating moving from 32nd to 30th....

(credit where credit is due...it was a meme on r/DetroitLions...highly recommend dropping by & enjoying a few chuckles)

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My son has never really gotten into American football. He played soccer and tennis and captained his curling club in college. Whereas I was the typical 3 sport guy of my generation, with baseball being my passion.

When it comes to the pitch, he’s as much of a nerd as I was growing up. 714, 511, 3,508, .367, .406, 96 - these were sacred digits in my world. I knew a litle about the NFL record book but I was into sabermetrics decades before the world at large knew who Bill James was.

Point being my oldest has that kind of encyclopedic knowledge about soccer. In junior high I would see the light under his bedroom door & knew there must be a CAF WC - Confederation of African Football World Cup - qualifier going on. I was an indulgent father, we’d order one off channels so he could watch Bundesliga. Loves USMNT & Sounders FC, but roots for the Samurai Blue very 4 years.

His PL team is telling, though. He roots for NUFC* primarily because of this game. Now he gives grief about being a Lions fan ALL THE TIME. Yet he’s a Magpie*. They’ve been on the top division all but 3 years of their existence, only 5 clubs have more PL seasons, and their last title was 1927. In owner Mike Ashley (2007-21), Newcastle* had the Premier League equivalent of the Ford family. Never wanted to invest in the club, sold off or loaned out his best players, rarely went after top talent during the transfer period. Their greatest player, Alan Shearer, is the all-time leading goal scorer of the PL. Never came within a country mile of winning any kind of championship.

The parallels between Newcastle United* and the Detroit Lions are nearly endless. Newcastle Upon Tyne is 291 miles north of London. It’s the longest road trip for nearly every team in the league (e.g., every year they travel further than every other team.) Nobody wants to play up there, it’s a depressing industrial town with few cultural opportunities. Their amazing fans - the Toon Army* - hate their owner with a passion and campaigned passionately for him to sell the team. They boasted one the greatest strikers in the history of English football but never surrounded him with enough players to succeed (sound like anyone we know?)

Anyway, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. It’s a constant source of amusement for me that he chooses to willingly root for the saddest sacks of the U.K. At least I can blame provincial attitudes of my time. Never occurred it was a choice to root for the Wolverines, Tigers, Red Wings, Pistons & Lions. These were the teams of my father and uncles and grandfathers. It was the furthest thing in my mind that I could adopt another team. I didn’t choose the SOL life, it chose me.

But sometime in the past decade, I did add a 6th franchise to my sports fandom. Now I’m a Gordie*, too.

*all various names of the football club or their incredible fan base

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Oh, and Mike Ashley sold the Newcastle Football Club this year. Our new owners are the Public Investment Fund..of Saudi Arabia. So :confetti: now we have unlimited (blood) money for the transfer window.

Unrelated - If the Ford family sold, do you think they would only sell to an owner that pledged to keep them in Michigan? There are 13 cities with franchises from the North American Big 4 (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHA.) The smallest cities are Denver, Detroit and Minneapolis. It’s all any of us has ever known - continuous since 1957, which might be the second longest behind only New York?

I’ve always worried that one day we’ll get the St Louis treatment. Even though I haven’t lived in Michigan since the last century, I don’t think my fandom would transfer if any of the teams moved. 
I had forgotten to mention this to you actually. Unfortunately, Newcastle FC has now joined the club of disgusting villains that have ruined the Premier League …

1. Chelsea - risen to success by their Russian Oligarch who thieved his wealth from the Russian people. 
 

2.Man City - Abu Dhabi royal family with their terrible human rights and equality issues and that’s before we get into their FFP breaches and subsequent cover up. Who’d have thought that another company owned by the same royal family can’t just pay out an absolutely inflated sponsorship price to the club for stadium rights as a way of ‘legally’ spending more money. And that’s just scratching the surface. 
 

3. Newcastle - now owned by a country with even worse human rights violations than Man City, and whose royal family most likely murdered a journalist from their country, in their embassy in Turkey. 
 

Sports washing. A now tried and successful avenue into acceptance in the western world. Buy up a major sports club in a major western country/city. Plant your name into the fabric of said country/city’s society and reap the rewards of Rupert Murdoch owned sports media festooning you with an avalanche of positive stories and spin. Slowly but surely you insidiously make your way to acceptance. 

https://youtu.be/yldrEFO2B78

Hilarious video. It’s well seen that Mr Sayed wasn’t invited back on to Sky sports again and you can see the sheer ignorance of former players and pundits that have no idea what he’s talking about !

The majority Newcastle fans should be utterly ashamed. They simply didn’t have the self awareness to realise that wanting/needing a terrible owner gone, and celebrating that fact, can be something in its own right, and be separate from how to perceive the new incoming owners. Instead we got 50k fans wearing Saudi Arabian garb and telling all and sundry that they couldn’t give a #### because they are now the richest club in the world. 
 

The PL has become a joke. Hopefully Newcastle get relegated this year and it delays the inevitable by a few more years. 
 

Sorry Jo, you have happened to hit a raw nerve here ! Nothing your son can do. I’m sure within five years, a lot of the qualities about that club that he enjoyed, will be gone, and a collection of bought trophies will ultimately not lead to much enjoyment. There’s many older fans of Chelsea and City who feel the same way 

 
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I had forgotten to mention this to you actually. Unfortunately, Newcastle FC has now joined the club of disgusting villains that have ruined the Premier League …

1. Chelsea - risen to success by their Russian Oligarch who thieved his wealth from the Russian people. 
 

2.Man City - Abu Dhabi royal family with their terrible human rights and equality issues and that’s before we get into their FFP breaches and subsequent cover up. Who’d have thought that another company owned by the same royal family can’t just pay out an absolutely inflated sponsorship price to the club for stadium rights as a way of ‘legally’ spending more money. And that’s just scratching the surface. 
 

3. Newcastle - now owned by a country with even worse human rights violations than Man City, and whose royal family most likely murdered a journalist from their country, in their embassy in Turkey. 
 

Sports washing. A now tried and successful avenue into acceptance in the western world. Buy up a major sports club in a major western country/city. Plant your name into the fabric of said country/city’s society and reap the rewards of Rupert Murdoch owned sports media festooning you with an avalanche of positive stories and spin. Slowly but surely you insidiously make your way to acceptance. 

https://youtu.be/yldrEFO2B78

Hilarious video. It’s well seen that Mr Sayed wasn’t invited back on to Sky sports again and you can see the sheer ignorance of former players and pundits that have no idea what he’s talking about !

The majority Newcastle fans should be utterly ashamed. They simply didn’t have the self awareness to realise that wanting/needing a terrible owner gone, and celebrating that fact, can be something in its own right, and be separate from how to perceive the new incoming owners. Instead we got 50k fans wearing Saudi Arabian garb and telling all and sundry that they couldn’t give a #### because they are now the richest club in the world. 
 

The PL has become a joke. Hopefully Newcastle get relegated this year and it delays the inevitable by a few more years. 
 

Sorry Jo, you have happened to hit a raw nerve here ! Nothing your son can do. I’m sure within five years, a lot of the qualities about that club that he enjoyed, will be gone, and a collection of bought trophies will ultimately not lead to much enjoyment. There’s many older fans of Chelsea and City who feel the same way 
I’m sure the depth of your understanding far exceeds mine

As I alluded by referring to it as Blood Money, not at all happy being associated with the house of Saud. I don’t want to get into the lengthy list of examples of why they are corrupt, murderous, oppressors of democracy…we’re in the Shark Pool, ‘nufced. My son is very conflicted. He’s wanted new ownership for a decade plus & now we’re in bed with evil incarnate?

Peculiar situation.

 
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