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2024 Detroit Lions: Lets get ready for camp! (2 Viewers)

PFF had a couple interesting articles come out over the weekend:

the Top 30 over 30, which contained zero Lions, and the Top 25 under 25. The distribution for the latter:
  • Atlanta Falcons - 2 players (ranked #16, #25)
  • Baltimore Ravens - 2 (#5, #20)
  • Buffalo Bills - 1 (#18)
  • Cincinnati Bengals - 1 (#4)
  • Dallas Cosboys - 1 (#15)
  • Detroit Lions - 5 (#1, #6, #11, #19, #21)
  • Denver Broncos - 1 (#13)
  • Houston Texans - 3 (#7,#15, #23)
  • Jacksonville Jaguars - 1 (#3)
  • Kansas City - 1 (#10)
  • Los Angeles Rams - 1 (#12)
  • Miami Dolphins - 1 (#17)
  • New Orleans Saints - 1 (#24)
  • New York Jets - 2 (#2, #9)
  • Philadelphia Eagles - 1 (#22)
  • San Francisco 49ers - 1 (#8)

21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS

While he had a limited role initially, Gibbs got more and more playing time as the 2023 season wore on and became an electric playmaker for the Lions in the second half of his rookie campaign. Following Week 7 — after his return from injury — he earned a 78.0 PFF overall grade, which ranked 11th among running backs, while his 82.0 rushing grade tied for seventh at the position.

19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS

Multiple first-round tight ends have faced high expectations in recent years. LaPorta, a second-round pick last year, was not one of them, but he arguably outplayed all rookie tight ends over the past decade.

His 981 regular-season snaps as a rookie led all tight ends over the past six seasons by a significant margin. In addition, his overall and receiving grades are second to only Kyle Pitts’ rookie season over that span.

11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS

St. Brown, who will turn 25 during the 2024 season, proved in 2023 that his breakout 2022 campaign was not a fluke. He was one of just three wide receivers to earn PFF overall grades above 90.0 in both 2022 and 2023, with Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson being the other two. St. Brown has snagged 93.5% of his catchable targets over the past two seasons, which ranks second among wide receivers.

6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS

Hutchinson flashed potential in his rookie season in 2022, but he brought his game to a whole new level in 2023. His 91.2 PFF pass-rushing grade placed fifth and trailed only an elite group of four players: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa and T.J. Watt. Hutchinson's 110 total pressures during the regular season ranked second among edge defenders.

1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS

Although Sewell has already played three seasons in the NFL, he is still only 23 years old and will not turn 24 until October. His 3,359 regular-season snaps over the past three seasons rank second among all players, and he is on his way to becoming the best offensive lineman in the league.

The Oregon product's 92.8 PFF overall grade and 95.1 PFF run-blocking grade both led all NFL offensive linemen in 2023.
 
OTA Workouts:
  • Week 1: May 21-23
  • Week 2: May 29-31
  • Week 3: June 10-12
Mandatory Minicamp: June 4-6



The Athletic’s Colton Pouncey offers a preview of what to watch:

Players to watch at Lions OTAs: Carlton Davis III, Jameson Williams and the rookies


SEE NEXT POST for part 2.

https://archive.ph/2024.05.20-11425.../2024/05/20/lions-2024-otas-players-to-watch/

NFL organized team activities (OTAs) get going this week, and for the Detroit Lions, it’ll be our first chance to see this roster together — free-agent signings, draft pick sand all.

On paper, this looks like one of the league’s best rosters. The Lions have a potent offense that returns most of its core. A defense that was still very much a work in progress last season added meaningful pieces this offseason, with hopes of finally breaking through under defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn. This is the most talented Lions team assembled during the Brad Holmes-Dan Campbell era, which is saying something considering Detroit played in the NFC Championship Game a few months ago.

Now the Lions look to get back, with a Super Bowl in mind.

Here’s what we’ll be watching as they begin their quest this week.

New free agents​

The Lions have plenty of new faces added in free agency and the trade market, as the front office worked to fill needs with quality talent.

Cornerback Carlton Davis III was acquired from the Buccaneers for Detroit’s 2024 third-round pick. Perhaps a rich price for a corner on a one-year deal, but the Lions couldn’t afford to leave March without an upgrade at the position. On paper, they got one in Davis. He’s a true man corner with an alpha mentality, something this team hasn’t had under Glenn. They might have three now (more on that later). Davis is most comfortable challenging receivers at the line of scrimmage and has the short memory needed to play the position. Health hasn’t been on his side in recent years, but he’s a good player who fits what the Lions like to do. He’s a Day 1 starter.

The Lions really addressed the trenches in free agency. Defensive tackle DJ Reader is a space-eating nose tackle who makes things easier for those around him. He has a nonstop motor for a player of his size and plays with full-out effort. Playing next to Reader could get the most out of Alim McNeill, who’s already coming off a Pro Bowl-caliber season without much help in the interior. Right guard Kevin Zeitler replaces Jonah Jackson, and if you talk to Holmes and Campbell, they’ll tell you their offensive line improved. If true, paying Zeitler $6 million when Jackson landed $17 million from the Rams is a steal. He’s not a long-term answer, but he can be a high-quality bridge to the next. He’s coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance and is viewed as a strong guard in pass protection.

Marcus Davenport has been a productive player when healthy, and fits the description of a Lions type of edge — big, physical, can set an edge and play the run. The big question is health. Since his breakout nine-sack 2021 season — a year in which he played only 11 games — Davenport has just 2 1/2 sacks to his name and was a major disappointment for the Vikings last season, unable to stay healthy. Davenport has much to prove in what could be his last chance as a starter, and he’ll have competition with third-year edge Josh Paschal.

And, finally, the Lions have spoken highly about cornerback Amik Robertson this offseason. He’ll likely be CB2 when OTAs start because he’s a veteran with starting NFL experience. Don’t be fooled by his lack of size (5-feet-8, 187 pounds) — the Lions signed Robertson to compete on the outside. If one of these rookie corners wants a starting gig, he’ll have to take it from Robertson.

That brings us to our next topic.

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The rookie class​

The obvious place to start when discussing Detroit’s 2024 draft classis with the two corners. The Lions made the unconventional move to double up on the same position with their first two draft picks, but when you consider how they operate and where their needs were, it really matches up. Terrion Arnold was the highest-ranked player on the board at 24, when the Lions eventually traded up for him. Holmes said he started making calls in the teens to get Arnold. As for Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Holmes tried to trade up early in the second round for him. He got him at No. 61. Holmes couldn’t believe either player was available for the Lions. They were the two best players on the board, and happened to play a position the Lions needed to address. When needs match up with best player available, it can be a beautiful thing.

So, then, how soon can Arnold and Rakestraw crack the lineup? It all depends how they look this offseason. The Lions are more than willing to make room for a rookie in the starting lineup. They did it a year ago with Brian Branch, who forced out veteran safety and former team captain Tracy Walker. Glenn is going to field the best secondary based on practice play. If Arnold and/or Rakestraw prove that in the coming months, they’ll see the field.

Elsewhere, the path to playing time isn’t as clear, but that’s not a bad thing. Offensive tackle Giovanni Manu is expected to cross-train at guard and tackle. Sione Vaki will fight to be Detroit’s RB3, and is expected to be a mainstay on special teams. Defensive tackle Mekhi Wingo might have the clearest path among the Lions’ Day 3 picks as a rotational defensive tackle who can provide a pass-rush spark early on. And sixth-round guard Christian Mahogany is a tough, competitive lineman who might not need much developing. As someone who really liked what the Lions did in this draft, it’ll be fun to see this group get some work in.

Second-year leaps​

It’s scary to think the players from the Lions’ 2023 draft class can be even better than they were as rookies. Four players took on significant roles last year, with two making the Pro Bowl. But the Lions are counting on growth.

What can Sam LaPorta do for an encore? All he did in 2023 was break the all-time rookie tight end record for receptions in a season with 86. The Lions fed him early and often, on his way to a second-team All-Pro nod. Expect more of the same in 2024. Running back Jahmyr Gibbs was playing like one of the best backs in the league by the end of the season. The Lions were no longer managing his reps like they were early in the season. I’d expect that to continue. He’s earned the trust of the coaching staff and is one of the most explosive runners in the league.

Branch was everything the Lions needed — a competitive, sticky nickel who made an immediate impact. The Lions have discussed the idea of playing Branch at safety a bit more, trying to gauge if he’s ready for the mental responsibilities that come with the position. They tried it a little bit last year but thought it was best to let him settle in at nickel as a rookie. He might be ready now.

First-round pick Jack Campbell had his ups and downs, which can often be part of the process for young linebackers. The Lions thought he was too hard on himself at times last year, but that’s just how Campbell is wired. When the game slows down for him, the potential is still there for him to be an impact player. Talking to some folks at the combine, it’s clear the Lions are still extremely high on Campbell — mentioning his combination of size, length, physicality and range as reasons he was drafted.

Brodric Martin, Colby Sorsdal and Antoine Green will be depth, but the hope is that they, too, begin to figure things out with age. Martin was a project defensive tackle out of Western Kentucky, always viewed as a player who would need time. His blend of size and length (6-feet-5, 34 3/8-inch arms) at the nose tackle position was worth the investment for Holmes, and gives new defensive line coach Terrell Williams an upside piece to develop. Sorsdal was a tackle in college but made the move to guard in the NFL. He wasn’t ready as a rookie, but few fifth-rounders are. The hope is he can position himself to be in the mix for a starting job in 2025. As for Green, there’s an opportunity in the receiver room if he can take advantage with a good offseason.

You might be wondering about a certain quarterback from last year’s draft class who wasn’t mentioned. More on him … right now.

QB Hendon Hooker

Yes, Jared Goff just signed the largest contract in franchise history last week. But if anything, that makes Hooker’s future all the more fascinating. Hooker turns 27 in January, toward the end of his second season. The Lions drafted him to be a high-upside backup with starting potential if needed, but now that he’s blocked by Goff for the foreseeable future, could a trade down the road be the best way to maximize his value? It’s an interesting discussion. Probably not one for the 2024 season, but perhaps when we get deeper into his rookie contract.

In the meantime, these offseason practices are crucial for Hooker’s development. He didn’t have them a year ago when he was recovering from a torn ACL. Reporters never got a chance to see him take reps against the defense in practice, thanks to the in-season practice viewing restrictions in place by the time he returned.

In the meantime, these offseason practices are crucial for Hooker’s development. He didn’t have them a year ago when he was recovering from a torn ACL. Reporters never got a chance to see him take reps against the defense in practice, thanks to the in-season practice viewing restrictions in place by the time he returned.

WR Jameson Williams​

What a difference a year makes, huh? Last April, Williams was suspended six games (later reduced to four) for violating the league’s gambling policy. He had some growing up to do before he cracked the lineup. Now, the Lions finally feel like he’s at a point where he can be a dependable starter.

The Lions let Josh Reynolds walk in free agency, so now it’s Williams’ time. He’s a projected full-time starter for the first time in his career, slotting in as WR2 behind Amon-Ra St. Brown. And the Lions are going to need him. He’s going to get more reps, more targets, more opportunities to live up to the hype he entered the league with as the No. 12 pick in 2022. Time to take the training wheels off.

Additionally, the wide receivers at large will be a group to watch. Donovan Peoples-Jones has an 800-yard season under his belt, and is the closest thing to a prototypical X receiver on the roster. Will he be a starter? Or will the Lions turn to Kalif Raymond? How about former Saints receiver Tre’Quan Smith? Can Green be a factor? There are some questions here. It might take some time to get firm answers.
 
Jamo hasn't been a success or a bust. Because of his injuries, suspension, and other factors that have limited his playing time, his grade right now would be incomplete but trending up.
Exactly, the flashes have been there. This year
If they had to made the decision today, the Lions would decline the 5th year option on Jamo. 3 games with more than 3 targets, zero games with 70 or more yards.

Thankfully they don’t have to decide for another 10 months. They did not add anyone to the WR corps, they obviously expect him to make a jump. He has always flashed oodles of talent to create a splash play, from Day 1. But at no point in Y1 or Y2 did he look like a dependable starter.

Gifted guy who might be a Pro Bowler, but we haven’t seen it yet. You can’t say he’s a 75-1200-10 guy when he hasn’t hit half that through 2 years.

I’m optimistic & adding him wherever I can. I think he busts out this season. But that’s a projection, it’s based on potential. Good kid, willing blocker, blazing speed - no one around his ADP has anywhere near the upside. Hope he hits bc on a personal level I like him a lot.

If he was drafted in the third rd
OTA Workouts:
  • Week 1: May 21-23
  • Week 2: May 29-31
  • Week 3: June 10-12
Mandatory Minicamp: June 4-6



The Athletic’s Colton Pouncey offers a preview of what to watch:

Players to watch at Lions OTAs: Carlton Davis III, Jameson Williams and the rookies


SEE NEXT POST for part 2.

https://archive.ph/2024.05.20-11425.../2024/05/20/lions-2024-otas-players-to-watch/

NFL organized team activities (OTAs) get going this week, and for the Detroit Lions, it’ll be our first chance to see this roster together — free-agent signings, draft pick sand all.

On paper, this looks like one of the league’s best rosters. The Lions have a potent offense that returns most of its core. A defense that was still very much a work in progress last season added meaningful pieces this offseason, with hopes of finally breaking through under defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn. This is the most talented Lions team assembled during the Brad Holmes-Dan Campbell era, which is saying something considering Detroit played in the NFC Championship Game a few months ago.

Now the Lions look to get back, with a Super Bowl in mind.

Here’s what we’ll be watching as they begin their quest this week.

New free agents​

The Lions have plenty of new faces added in free agency and the trade market, as the front office worked to fill needs with quality talent.

Cornerback Carlton Davis III was acquired from the Buccaneers for Detroit’s 2024 third-round pick. Perhaps a rich price for a corner on a one-year deal, but the Lions couldn’t afford to leave March without an upgrade at the position. On paper, they got one in Davis. He’s a true man corner with an alpha mentality, something this team hasn’t had under Glenn. They might have three now (more on that later). Davis is most comfortable challenging receivers at the line of scrimmage and has the short memory needed to play the position. Health hasn’t been on his side in recent years, but he’s a good player who fits what the Lions like to do. He’s a Day 1 starter.

The Lions really addressed the trenches in free agency. Defensive tackle DJ Reader is a space-eating nose tackle who makes things easier for those around him. He has a nonstop motor for a player of his size and plays with full-out effort. Playing next to Reader could get the most out of Alim McNeill, who’s already coming off a Pro Bowl-caliber season without much help in the interior. Right guard Kevin Zeitler replaces Jonah Jackson, and if you talk to Holmes and Campbell, they’ll tell you their offensive line improved. If true, paying Zeitler $6 million when Jackson landed $17 million from the Rams is a steal. He’s not a long-term answer, but he can be a high-quality bridge to the next. He’s coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance and is viewed as a strong guard in pass protection.

Marcus Davenport has been a productive player when healthy, and fits the description of a Lions type of edge — big, physical, can set an edge and play the run. The big question is health. Since his breakout nine-sack 2021 season — a year in which he played only 11 games — Davenport has just 2 1/2 sacks to his name and was a major disappointment for the Vikings last season, unable to stay healthy. Davenport has much to prove in what could be his last chance as a starter, and he’ll have competition with third-year edge Josh Paschal.

And, finally, the Lions have spoken highly about cornerback Amik Robertson this offseason. He’ll likely be CB2 when OTAs start because he’s a veteran with starting NFL experience. Don’t be fooled by his lack of size (5-feet-8, 187 pounds) — the Lions signed Robertson to compete on the outside. If one of these rookie corners wants a starting gig, he’ll have to take it from Robertson.

That brings us to our next topic.

Article continues in next post

Smart moves to keep improving. Letting Jackson walk and getting Zeitler is one of the type of moves needed to keep roster upgraded and manage payroll cap. Todays NFL is all about "change" in the roster. Try to keep core players together and have interchangeable parts on 1-2 years deals.

Next year they will have to decide about Decker. Unless he takes a team friendly deal it will be time to move Sewell over to the LT spot and replace Decker. Holmes has already proven he can fill the needs.
 
Just my opinion a year away, but I think Decker is the age and type that will find a way to stay. I never got that vibe from Jackson.

Maybe, but Decker will be looking for one last big payday too. Lions are paying Sewell top LT money to play RT. Be tough to pay Decker too.
 
Decker spends his offseason in Arizona. Been a great Lion, senior man on the team (9th season), but if it doesn’t make sense for both sides…just a business decision.

Hope it works out but you cannot keep everyone. More worried about losing Alim. Penei shifts to LT, we can figure out how to fill the front side. But if McNeil walks, that’s a big L.

But you can’t begrudge these guys going for the bag. You’d do the same thing for your family given the opportunity.
 
PFF had a couple interesting articles come out over the weekend:

the Top 30 over 30, which contained zero Lions, and the Top 25 under 25. The distribution for the latter:
  • Atlanta Falcons - 2 players (ranked #16, #25)
  • Baltimore Ravens - 2 (#5, #20)
  • Buffalo Bills - 1 (#18)
  • Cincinnati Bengals - 1 (#4)
  • Dallas Cosboys - 1 (#15)
  • Detroit Lions - 5 (#1, #6, #11, #19, #21)
  • Denver Broncos - 1 (#13)
  • Houston Texans - 3 (#7,#15, #23)
  • Jacksonville Jaguars - 1 (#3)
  • Kansas City - 1 (#10)
  • Los Angeles Rams - 1 (#12)
  • Miami Dolphins - 1 (#17)
  • New Orleans Saints - 1 (#24)
  • New York Jets - 2 (#2, #9)
  • Philadelphia Eagles - 1 (#22)
  • San Francisco 49ers - 1 (#8)

21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS

While he had a limited role initially, Gibbs got more and more playing time as the 2023 season wore on and became an electric playmaker for the Lions in the second half of his rookie campaign. Following Week 7 — after his return from injury — he earned a 78.0 PFF overall grade, which ranked 11th among running backs, while his 82.0 rushing grade tied for seventh at the position.

19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS

Multiple first-round tight ends have faced high expectations in recent years. LaPorta, a second-round pick last year, was not one of them, but he arguably outplayed all rookie tight ends over the past decade.

His 981 regular-season snaps as a rookie led all tight ends over the past six seasons by a significant margin. In addition, his overall and receiving grades are second to only Kyle Pitts’ rookie season over that span.

11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS

St. Brown, who will turn 25 during the 2024 season, proved in 2023 that his breakout 2022 campaign was not a fluke. He was one of just three wide receivers to earn PFF overall grades above 90.0 in both 2022 and 2023, with Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson being the other two. St. Brown has snagged 93.5% of his catchable targets over the past two seasons, which ranks second among wide receivers.

6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS

Hutchinson flashed potential in his rookie season in 2022, but he brought his game to a whole new level in 2023. His 91.2 PFF pass-rushing grade placed fifth and trailed only an elite group of four players: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa and T.J. Watt. Hutchinson's 110 total pressures during the regular season ranked second among edge defenders.

1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS

Although Sewell has already played three seasons in the NFL, he is still only 23 years old and will not turn 24 until October. His 3,359 regular-season snaps over the past three seasons rank second among all players, and he is on his way to becoming the best offensive lineman in the league.

The Oregon product's 92.8 PFF overall grade and 95.1 PFF run-blocking grade both led all NFL offensive linemen in 2023.
Didn't realize it until I heard it on the radio just now, but that works out to 20% of the list on one of 32 teams.
 
PFF had a couple interesting articles come out over the weekend:

the Top 30 over 30, which contained zero Lions, and the Top 25 under 25. The distribution for the latter:
  • Atlanta Falcons - 2 players (ranked #16, #25)
  • Baltimore Ravens - 2 (#5, #20)
  • Buffalo Bills - 1 (#18)
  • Cincinnati Bengals - 1 (#4)
  • Dallas Cosboys - 1 (#15)
  • Detroit Lions - 5 (#1, #6, #11, #19, #21)
  • Denver Broncos - 1 (#13)
  • Houston Texans - 3 (#7,#15, #23)
  • Jacksonville Jaguars - 1 (#3)
  • Kansas City - 1 (#10)
  • Los Angeles Rams - 1 (#12)
  • Miami Dolphins - 1 (#17)
  • New Orleans Saints - 1 (#24)
  • New York Jets - 2 (#2, #9)
  • Philadelphia Eagles - 1 (#22)
  • San Francisco 49ers - 1 (#8)

21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS

While he had a limited role initially, Gibbs got more and more playing time as the 2023 season wore on and became an electric playmaker for the Lions in the second half of his rookie campaign. Following Week 7 — after his return from injury — he earned a 78.0 PFF overall grade, which ranked 11th among running backs, while his 82.0 rushing grade tied for seventh at the position.

19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS

Multiple first-round tight ends have faced high expectations in recent years. LaPorta, a second-round pick last year, was not one of them, but he arguably outplayed all rookie tight ends over the past decade.

His 981 regular-season snaps as a rookie led all tight ends over the past six seasons by a significant margin. In addition, his overall and receiving grades are second to only Kyle Pitts’ rookie season over that span.

11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS

St. Brown, who will turn 25 during the 2024 season, proved in 2023 that his breakout 2022 campaign was not a fluke. He was one of just three wide receivers to earn PFF overall grades above 90.0 in both 2022 and 2023, with Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson being the other two. St. Brown has snagged 93.5% of his catchable targets over the past two seasons, which ranks second among wide receivers.

6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS

Hutchinson flashed potential in his rookie season in 2022, but he brought his game to a whole new level in 2023. His 91.2 PFF pass-rushing grade placed fifth and trailed only an elite group of four players: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa and T.J. Watt. Hutchinson's 110 total pressures during the regular season ranked second among edge defenders.

1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS

Although Sewell has already played three seasons in the NFL, he is still only 23 years old and will not turn 24 until October. His 3,359 regular-season snaps over the past three seasons rank second among all players, and he is on his way to becoming the best offensive lineman in the league.

The Oregon product's 92.8 PFF overall grade and 95.1 PFF run-blocking grade both led all NFL offensive linemen in 2023.
Didn't realize it until I heard it on the radio just now, but that works out to 20% of the list on one of 32 teams.

And a good case could be made for Alim McNeil (24), Brian Branch (22) and Iffy (just turned 25).....BB may very well become our most impactful player on defense this year...but it would be a massive hyperbole to suggest Holmes is among the very best GMs in football and has produced three of the top 5 draft classes in Lions history.
 
PFF had a couple interesting articles come out over the weekend:

the Top 30 over 30, which contained zero Lions, and the Top 25 under 25. The distribution for the latter:
  • Atlanta Falcons - 2 players (ranked #16, #25)
  • Baltimore Ravens - 2 (#5, #20)
  • Buffalo Bills - 1 (#18)
  • Cincinnati Bengals - 1 (#4)
  • Dallas Cosboys - 1 (#15)
  • Detroit Lions - 5 (#1, #6, #11, #19, #21)
  • Denver Broncos - 1 (#13)
  • Houston Texans - 3 (#7,#15, #23)
  • Jacksonville Jaguars - 1 (#3)
  • Kansas City - 1 (#10)
  • Los Angeles Rams - 1 (#12)
  • Miami Dolphins - 1 (#17)
  • New Orleans Saints - 1 (#24)
  • New York Jets - 2 (#2, #9)
  • Philadelphia Eagles - 1 (#22)
  • San Francisco 49ers - 1 (#8)

21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS

While he had a limited role initially, Gibbs got more and more playing time as the 2023 season wore on and became an electric playmaker for the Lions in the second half of his rookie campaign. Following Week 7 — after his return from injury — he earned a 78.0 PFF overall grade, which ranked 11th among running backs, while his 82.0 rushing grade tied for seventh at the position.

19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS

Multiple first-round tight ends have faced high expectations in recent years. LaPorta, a second-round pick last year, was not one of them, but he arguably outplayed all rookie tight ends over the past decade.

His 981 regular-season snaps as a rookie led all tight ends over the past six seasons by a significant margin. In addition, his overall and receiving grades are second to only Kyle Pitts’ rookie season over that span.

11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS

St. Brown, who will turn 25 during the 2024 season, proved in 2023 that his breakout 2022 campaign was not a fluke. He was one of just three wide receivers to earn PFF overall grades above 90.0 in both 2022 and 2023, with Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson being the other two. St. Brown has snagged 93.5% of his catchable targets over the past two seasons, which ranks second among wide receivers.

6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS

Hutchinson flashed potential in his rookie season in 2022, but he brought his game to a whole new level in 2023. His 91.2 PFF pass-rushing grade placed fifth and trailed only an elite group of four players: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa and T.J. Watt. Hutchinson's 110 total pressures during the regular season ranked second among edge defenders.

1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS

Although Sewell has already played three seasons in the NFL, he is still only 23 years old and will not turn 24 until October. His 3,359 regular-season snaps over the past three seasons rank second among all players, and he is on his way to becoming the best offensive lineman in the league.

The Oregon product's 92.8 PFF overall grade and 95.1 PFF run-blocking grade both led all NFL offensive linemen in 2023.
Didn't realize it until I heard it on the radio just now, but that works out to 20% of the list on one of 32 teams.

And a good case could be made for Alim McNeil (24), Brian Branch (22) and Iffy (just turned 25).....BB may very well become our most impactful player on defense this year...but it would be a massive hyperbole to suggest Holmes is among the very best GMs in football and has produced three of the top 5 draft classes in Lions history.

Salty
 
PFF had a couple interesting articles come out over the weekend:

the Top 30 over 30, which contained zero Lions, and the Top 25 under 25. The distribution for the latter:
  • Atlanta Falcons - 2 players (ranked #16, #25)
  • Baltimore Ravens - 2 (#5, #20)
  • Buffalo Bills - 1 (#18)
  • Cincinnati Bengals - 1 (#4)
  • Dallas Cosboys - 1 (#15)
  • Detroit Lions - 5 (#1, #6, #11, #19, #21)
  • Denver Broncos - 1 (#13)
  • Houston Texans - 3 (#7,#15, #23)
  • Jacksonville Jaguars - 1 (#3)
  • Kansas City - 1 (#10)
  • Los Angeles Rams - 1 (#12)
  • Miami Dolphins - 1 (#17)
  • New Orleans Saints - 1 (#24)
  • New York Jets - 2 (#2, #9)
  • Philadelphia Eagles - 1 (#22)
  • San Francisco 49ers - 1 (#8)

21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS

While he had a limited role initially, Gibbs got more and more playing time as the 2023 season wore on and became an electric playmaker for the Lions in the second half of his rookie campaign. Following Week 7 — after his return from injury — he earned a 78.0 PFF overall grade, which ranked 11th among running backs, while his 82.0 rushing grade tied for seventh at the position.

19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS

Multiple first-round tight ends have faced high expectations in recent years. LaPorta, a second-round pick last year, was not one of them, but he arguably outplayed all rookie tight ends over the past decade.

His 981 regular-season snaps as a rookie led all tight ends over the past six seasons by a significant margin. In addition, his overall and receiving grades are second to only Kyle Pitts’ rookie season over that span.

11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS

St. Brown, who will turn 25 during the 2024 season, proved in 2023 that his breakout 2022 campaign was not a fluke. He was one of just three wide receivers to earn PFF overall grades above 90.0 in both 2022 and 2023, with Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson being the other two. St. Brown has snagged 93.5% of his catchable targets over the past two seasons, which ranks second among wide receivers.

6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS

Hutchinson flashed potential in his rookie season in 2022, but he brought his game to a whole new level in 2023. His 91.2 PFF pass-rushing grade placed fifth and trailed only an elite group of four players: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa and T.J. Watt. Hutchinson's 110 total pressures during the regular season ranked second among edge defenders.

1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS

Although Sewell has already played three seasons in the NFL, he is still only 23 years old and will not turn 24 until October. His 3,359 regular-season snaps over the past three seasons rank second among all players, and he is on his way to becoming the best offensive lineman in the league.

The Oregon product's 92.8 PFF overall grade and 95.1 PFF run-blocking grade both led all NFL offensive linemen in 2023.
Didn't realize it until I heard it on the radio just now, but that works out to 20% of the list on one of 32 teams.

And a good case could be made for Alim McNeil (24), Brian Branch (22) and Iffy (just turned 25).....BB may very well become our most impactful player on defense this year...but it would be a massive hyperbole to suggest Holmes is among the very best GMs in football and has produced three of the top 5 draft classes in Lions history.

Salty
No...correct.

The idea that there is still a wait and see aspect to how good Dan and Brad are is silly. And to call Jamo a bust after two injury ridden and lame suspension is ridiculous. Jamo converted a very respectable 2/3 rds his targets the last half of the season and produced more than a few big plays. It is pretty simpleton logic to look at a guy with 100-1500-12 and say that guy is good. True fans know who the up and comers are, who is putting in the work, who the coaches have confidence in and is going to break out. There is not a single team in the league that would not want Jamo on their team.
 
PFF had a couple interesting articles come out over the weekend:

the Top 30 over 30, which contained zero Lions, and the Top 25 under 25. The distribution for the latter:
  • Atlanta Falcons - 2 players (ranked #16, #25)
  • Baltimore Ravens - 2 (#5, #20)
  • Buffalo Bills - 1 (#18)
  • Cincinnati Bengals - 1 (#4)
  • Dallas Cosboys - 1 (#15)
  • Detroit Lions - 5 (#1, #6, #11, #19, #21)
  • Denver Broncos - 1 (#13)
  • Houston Texans - 3 (#7,#15, #23)
  • Jacksonville Jaguars - 1 (#3)
  • Kansas City - 1 (#10)
  • Los Angeles Rams - 1 (#12)
  • Miami Dolphins - 1 (#17)
  • New Orleans Saints - 1 (#24)
  • New York Jets - 2 (#2, #9)
  • Philadelphia Eagles - 1 (#22)
  • San Francisco 49ers - 1 (#8)

21. RB JAHMYR GIBBS, DETROIT LIONS

While he had a limited role initially, Gibbs got more and more playing time as the 2023 season wore on and became an electric playmaker for the Lions in the second half of his rookie campaign. Following Week 7 — after his return from injury — he earned a 78.0 PFF overall grade, which ranked 11th among running backs, while his 82.0 rushing grade tied for seventh at the position.

19. TE SAM LAPORTA, DETROIT LIONS

Multiple first-round tight ends have faced high expectations in recent years. LaPorta, a second-round pick last year, was not one of them, but he arguably outplayed all rookie tight ends over the past decade.

His 981 regular-season snaps as a rookie led all tight ends over the past six seasons by a significant margin. In addition, his overall and receiving grades are second to only Kyle Pitts’ rookie season over that span.

11. WR AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS

St. Brown, who will turn 25 during the 2024 season, proved in 2023 that his breakout 2022 campaign was not a fluke. He was one of just three wide receivers to earn PFF overall grades above 90.0 in both 2022 and 2023, with Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson being the other two. St. Brown has snagged 93.5% of his catchable targets over the past two seasons, which ranks second among wide receivers.

6. EDGE AIDAN HUTCHINSON, DETROIT LIONS

Hutchinson flashed potential in his rookie season in 2022, but he brought his game to a whole new level in 2023. His 91.2 PFF pass-rushing grade placed fifth and trailed only an elite group of four players: Myles Garrett, Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa and T.J. Watt. Hutchinson's 110 total pressures during the regular season ranked second among edge defenders.

1. T PENEI SEWELL, DETROIT LIONS

Although Sewell has already played three seasons in the NFL, he is still only 23 years old and will not turn 24 until October. His 3,359 regular-season snaps over the past three seasons rank second among all players, and he is on his way to becoming the best offensive lineman in the league.

The Oregon product's 92.8 PFF overall grade and 95.1 PFF run-blocking grade both led all NFL offensive linemen in 2023.
Didn't realize it until I heard it on the radio just now, but that works out to 20% of the list on one of 32 teams.

And a good case could be made for Alim McNeil (24), Brian Branch (22) and Iffy (just turned 25).....BB may very well become our most impactful player on defense this year...but it would be a massive hyperbole to suggest Holmes is among the very best GMs in football and has produced three of the top 5 draft classes in Lions history.

Salty
No...correct.

The idea that there is still a wait and see aspect to how good Dan and Brad are is silly. And to call Jamo a bust after two injury ridden and lame suspension is ridiculous. Jamo converted a very respectable 2/3 rds his targets the last half of the season and produced more than a few big plays. It is pretty simpleton logic to look at a guy with 100-1500-12 and say that guy is good. True fans know who the up and comers are, who is putting in the work, who the coaches have confidence in and is going to break out. There is not a single team in the league that would not want Jamo on their team.

You are ridiculous with your insults and "true fan" crap. Since reading isn't your strong suit I will say it for the umpteenth time. Jamo has been a bust so far. It doesn't mean he will be, but not being prepared when he could play is his fault, getting suspended is his fault.

Another secret that real NFL people understand is you don't judge a draft class for 3 years. So I will stick with that. Last year's draft does look like an all time great one, but we will see after the 25/26 season.
 
This draft has felt like I am the smartest guy in the room. Maybe Brad is, but it usually doesn't work out that way.
Odd that you would judge a draft well before 3 years. Isn't that what "real NFL people understand"?

I didn't judge it. I gave my initial reaction. It can change.

I can handle if I am wrong, or can change my mind. It is allowed among us non real fans.
 
Anybody got $17K they want to put to work for 8 months? Pay ya back in mid-January.

DM if interested, I'll give you my bank routing info.

Your StubHub Order Summary - Your Seats

Number of Tickets: 2
SECTION 128 ROW 41
Ticket Price 2 × US $6,242
Fulfillment and Service Fee 2 × US $2,188
Total Price US $16,861

:whistle:

Behind the Visitors bench, figure I can resell 7-8 games to pay for the 1-2 I want to see. The one X game I'll give away :lol:



On a more serious note, the most affordable home options for me will be:
  • Titans Week 8 Oct 27 1pm
  • Jags Week 11 Nov 17 1pm
  • Vikings Week 18 TBD TBD
Best road prices are:
  • at Colts Week 12 Nov 24 1pm
    (could swing up to Michigan for Thanksgiving with the fam after the game)
  • at Bears Week 16 Dec 22 1pm
    (then up the coast for a Grand Haven Christmas)
Also looking at:
  • at Cardinals Week 3 September 22 4:25pm
  • at Vikings Week 7 Oct 20 1pm
We can only afford to do one of these. Any thoughts?

Hopefully we'll chose more wisely than last year (Baltimore....which was an amazing weekend despite the outcome.)
I have Cardinals season tickets - pretty damn good seats.

I may be able to swing you a free seat if you come out for that game.
 
Anybody got $17K they want to put to work for 8 months? Pay ya back in mid-January.

DM if interested, I'll give you my bank routing info.

Your StubHub Order Summary - Your Seats

Number of Tickets: 2
SECTION 128 ROW 41
Ticket Price 2 × US $6,242
Fulfillment and Service Fee 2 × US $2,188
Total Price US $16,861

:whistle:

Behind the Visitors bench, figure I can resell 7-8 games to pay for the 1-2 I want to see. The one X game I'll give away :lol:



On a more serious note, the most affordable home options for me will be:
  • Titans Week 8 Oct 27 1pm
  • Jags Week 11 Nov 17 1pm
  • Vikings Week 18 TBD TBD
Best road prices are:
  • at Colts Week 12 Nov 24 1pm
    (could swing up to Michigan for Thanksgiving with the fam after the game)
  • at Bears Week 16 Dec 22 1pm
    (then up the coast for a Grand Haven Christmas)
Also looking at:
  • at Cardinals Week 3 September 22 4:25pm
  • at Vikings Week 7 Oct 20 1pm
We can only afford to do one of these. Any thoughts?

Hopefully we'll chose more wisely than last year (Baltimore....which was an amazing weekend despite the outcome.)
I have Cardinals season tickets - pretty damn good seats.

I may be able to swing you a free seat if you come out for that game.

That’s a generous offer and I appreciate the gesture, truly. It’s looking like we’re going to do a long weekend in Chicago. Have friends & family there, and it’s a relatively short drive up the coast to Grand Haven, MI, for Christmas.

When we’re sitting in -5 below windchill at Soldier Field December 22nd, feel free to remind me that I consciously & deliberately chose that weekend over free tickets, dry heat, golf, et al.

:lmao:
 
My Offensive Grades for Projected Starters and Key Subs by position:

QB: A-.
Goff. Outstanding at running the offense, but has limitations.
Key Backup: B
Hooker. Unknown, but very high upside.

RB: A+
Montgomery, Gibbs. Best Duo in NFL. Gibbs is the most explosive RB in the game.
Key Backups: B
Reynolds, Vaki. Reynolds is reliable. Vaki can add some interesting twists to the offense.

OL: A+
Decker, Glasgow, Ragnow, Zeitler, Sewell. Another best in NFL unit.
Key Backups: C+
Skipper, Sorsdal, Manu, Mahogany. Skipper is the only reliable backup. Lots of potential in the next three guys, but need to develop. Too many questions at this point.

WR: A-
ARSB, Jamo, DPJ. I like this group better than most people. Saint is among the best, Jamo has shown he is ready to take off, and DPJ will be better than Reynolds.
Key Backups: B
Raymond, Green. Raymond is proven reliable and Green has potential to be good.

TE: A+
LaPorta. Possibly the best in the league.
Key Backups: B
Wright, Mitchell. Wright is a great blocker who has decent hands with the ability to catch defenses off gaurd. Mitchell has potential but needs to grow.

Overall: A+.
Should be the best offense in the NFL. Injuries can always derail things, but there are capable backups.
 
First day of OTAs, the big guy was back in the building today.

Does not appear BB (left foot has been in a boot) is off the scooter yet - was not seen at OTAs.

Dan has a presser tomorrow, we'll see if he provides any update.



Top NFL Ticket increases for 2024 per @TickPick:
  1. Houston #Texans (99% increase): $155 to $309
  2. Detroit #Lions (68% increase): $192 to $323
  3. Baltimore #Ravens (33% increase): $175 to $233
Personally, can't even be mad about it. Byproduct of their success, and there is plenty of wealth in the 6 counties that make up the Metropolitan area - don't see demand slackening. We do have an amazing fanbase, and it just is what it is. They held the line for the most part when the on field product was lousy, can't say I blame them for making good business decisions now.



Preseason schedule came out today. Looks like I won't be attending the NYG game as it falls on my wife's birthday, but if (as expected) they hold joint practices, I'm going out to East Rutherford for at least one day.

The Detroit Lions’ preseason schedule has been set, beginning with a road trip to face the New York Giants at 7 p.m. on Aug 8. Detroit will head back to Kansas City the following week, facing the Chiefs at 4 p.m. Aug. 17, before wrapping up the exhibition slate by hosting the Pittsburgh Steelers at 1 p.m. Aug. 24.

With the preseason now set, Detroit can firm up plans for joint practices this summer. Head coach Dan Campbell is a big advocate, using those competitive periods to replicate the work players need in the preseason, but in controlled environments that can diminish injury rates.

Campbell said he hoped to participate in two rounds of joint practices this summer, but those plans would depend on the draw. Teams can only request one opponent during the preseason. Detroit and New York requested each other for the opener so they could practice jointly -- much like they did last summer -- and now those plans appear to be a go.

The second round of joint practices is far less certain. Detroit has drawn Kansas City in Week 2, and while Campbell and Chiefs coach Andy Reid have a good relationship, Reid also has been reluctant to hold joint practices. Last summer, Kansas City was among just five teams that did not practice with another team.



Eric Schlitt of Pride of Detroit offered his opinion on how the Lions Secondary will shake out.

First, let’s project the starting players in the secondary. On the outside at corner, the Lions have several options to challenge for roles, but my guess is the Week 1 starters will be Carlton Davis and rookie Terrion Arnold. Brian Branch will start at nickel, which puts him close to the line of scrimmage where he can shine. That leaves Kerby Joseph and Ifeatu Melifonwu to start at safety. In two-deep safety looks, they both have the range to drop, but when they shift to single-high, look for Joseph to play center field and Melifonwu to shift into the slot opposite Branch.

On the outside, the Lions have solid depth/competition in Amik Robertson, Emmanuel Moseley (once healthy), Kindle Vildor, and rookie Ennis Rakestraw. But on the inside, the Lions have some positional flexibility—most notably in Branch and Melifonwu—to adjust to scheme and opponent.

Both Branch and Melifonwu can play in the slot, in the box, and deep at safety. Branch tends to work better in the box, while Melifonwu works better deep, which is why they are in the roles I projected above. In base sets, the Lions can play things straight, but they also have the ability to disguise. Because Branch and Melifonwu are both elite blitzers, you can blitz one from the slot while dropping the other in coverage. This gives defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn the flexibility to blitz from the strong and/or weak side of the formation without tipping his hand—see the Divisional Playoff game vs. Buccaneers for examples of this.

So because of this flexibility, I expect the Lions to lean on Branch, Melifonwu, and Joseph as their top three options at safety, with recently re-signed C.J. Moore as their fourth option. This does not necessarily preclude the Lions from adding another veteran safety to the mix, but they seem comfortable with their top four options for now.

Additionally, in situations where Branch is at safety in two safety sets, I believe the Lions will lean on Rakestraw at nickel. Rakestraw opened rookie minicamp in the slot and began his college career there as well.

TL:DR

Carlton Davis: CB1A
Terrion Arnold: CB1B
Brian Branch: NB1 and SAF3
Ennis Rakestraw: NB2 and outside CB depth
Kerby Joseph: Single-high SAF1
Ifeatu Melifonwu: SAF2 (with NB range)
 
Nothing earth shattering here on a slow news day, but I did want to bump this off the 2nd page. PFF listed their top 3 players from every team:

Player Experience
Amon-Ra St. Brown 4th season
Aidan Hutchinson 3rd season
Penei Sewell 4th season

Detroit has a roster capable of winning a Super Bowl, and it is led by the same trio of stars we had on this list last year.

Amon-Ra St. Brown earned an elite receiving grade for the second straight season. Meanwhile, Penei Sewell took a massive leap from an 82.3 overall grade in 2022 to a 93.5 mark in 2023. Aidan Hutchinson also ascended to the elite level, generating a 91.4 pass-rush grade thanks to his 121 quarterback pressures.

Also Considered: QB Jared Goff, C Frank Ragnow, DI Alim McNeill
 
Nothing earth shattering here on a slow news day, but I did want to bump this off the 2nd page. PFF listed their top 3 players from every team:

Player Experience
Amon-Ra St. Brown 4th season
Aidan Hutchinson 3rd season
Penei Sewell 4th season

Detroit has a roster capable of winning a Super Bowl, and it is led by the same trio of stars we had on this list last year.

Amon-Ra St. Brown earned an elite receiving grade for the second straight season. Meanwhile, Penei Sewell took a massive leap from an 82.3 overall grade in 2022 to a 93.5 mark in 2023. Aidan Hutchinson also ascended to the elite level, generating a 91.4 pass-rush grade thanks to his 121 quarterback pressures.

Also Considered: QB Jared Goff, C Frank Ragnow, DI Alim McNeill

So six players listed and Sam LaPorta and Jahmyr Gibbs ,two players arguably the best in the league at their position, are not even mentioned. 3 years ago, no Lions player ever sniffed the top 100, except for maybe Frank.
 
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Last year three teams were above 6,700 total yards on offense (Detroit, Miami and SF), the rest were under 6,400. Basically the Lions have the same offense, but IMHO it should be improved in certain aspects. Right now we look healthier, especially on the OL. Gibbs will be ready to fly right out of the gate and pick up where he left off. LaPorta could have a sophomore jinx, but I believe he has that St. Brown mentality of always striving to improve. This is really Jamo's first year that him and Goff have started to gel and he should provide us with many more huge plays. I like DPJ better than Reynolds and Raymond is still there.

Last year I thought we would threaten getting close to 7,000 yards...this year we should exceed it. This is the Greatest Show on Turf II.
 
CONFIRMED: The Lions will have joint practices with the Giants before the first preseason game, Dan Campbell said.

I’ll be there.
Game is at 7pm on a Thursday. Any idea when the practices will be?

No idea yet since the Giants will be setting the dates. Last year when the Lions were hosting, joint practices were:
  • Mon Aug 7 - closed to public
  • Tue Aug 8 - season ticket holders only
  • Wed Aug 9 - open to public
  • Fri Aug 11 - PS game
The game this year is on a Thursday August 8, so I’m guessing Mon Aug 5 & Tue Aug 6?
I might only have 1 chance to go & maybe I’ll need to get lucky via a lottery.
 
How can fans be have a shred of negativity towards this team? Four years ago the Lions were at the pennacle of being the worst organization in professional sports. 60 years of failure being lead up by one of the most disgusting head coaches ever with a bunch of sub-par unmotivated players. Enter Shelia and her determination to flip this awful organization into something great.

Today the Lions are stacked at every position with young talented players in what is arguably the best roster in football. None of the players are disgruntled and holding out. Every one is working their butts off and excited about being here and are insanely hungry to win it all. Our coaching staff is first rate. Last year the only thing holding us back from the Super Bowl was the lack of a decent secondary. We bring in 4 new talented CBs and completely revamp the secondary coaching staff.

Oh sure, I am the optimistic fan boy. But four years ago I was disgusted with this organization and calling it the worst in sports. This organization has methodically built up the coach staff, made outstanding drafts, and created an insatiable winning atmosphere. In four years the Lions have gone from the worst organization in sports to the best. Anything can happen in a season of football, but this team is in the best position of any team in the league to win the Super Bowl.

Maybe it is just my crazy viewpoint, but when players, coaches and management pour 100 percent of their heart into building something great, it seem pretty ungrateful to be constantly second-guessing decisions using hindsight because it did not turn out perfect. I love everything this organization is doing and what it stands is for.
 
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How can fans be have a shred of negativity towards this team? Four years ago the Lions were at the pennacle of being the worst organization in professional sports. 60 years of failure being lead up by one of the most disgusting head coaches ever with a bunch of sub-par unmotivated players. Enter Shelia and her determination to flip this awful organization into something great.

Today the Lions are stacked at every position with young talented players in what is arguably the best roster in football. None of the players are disgruntled and holding out. Every one is working their butts off and excited about being here and are insanely hungry to win it all. Our coaching staff is first rate. Last year the only thing holding us back from the Super Bowl was the lack of a decent secondary. We bring in 4 new talented CBs and completely revamp the secondary coaching staff.

Oh sure, I am the optimistic fan boy. But four years ago I was disgusted with this organization and calling it the worst in sports. This organization has methodically built up the coach staff, made outstanding drafts, and created an insatiable winning atmosphere. In four years the Lions have gone from the worst organization in sports to the best. Anything can happen in a season of football, but this team is in the best position of any team in the league to win the Super Bowl.

Maybe it is just my crazy viewpoint, but when players, coaches and management pour 100 percent of their heart into building something great, it seem pretty ungrateful to be constantly second-guessing using hindsight decisions which did not turn out perfect.

“Sounds like Nazi Germany!”

- Corrado Soprano

Takes all kinds to make the big blue marble to go around. Life would be intolerable if everyone saw things through the same prism. I love hearing different perspectives - every single person I interact with has something to teach me, because their lived experiences are different from mine.

One thing I have consistently heard from ex-NFL executives who had great careers (now retired or doing media now) is hubris is something to guard against as you start to see success. Don’t be too quick to self-congratulate or pull receipts; this league will humble you quick. Listen to and evaluate dissenting voices. Just bc you have had a string of hits doesn’t mean you won’t face adversity going forward. Don’t ever think you can do no wrong bc everyone has missteps; course corrections and reboots are part of the challenge.
 
How can fans be have a shred of negativity towards this team? Four years ago the Lions were at the pennacle of being the worst organization in professional sports. 60 years of failure being lead up by one of the most disgusting head coaches ever with a bunch of sub-par unmotivated players. Enter Shelia and her determination to flip this awful organization into something great.

Today the Lions are stacked at every position with young talented players in what is arguably the best roster in football. None of the players are disgruntled and holding out. Every one is working their butts off and excited about being here and are insanely hungry to win it all. Our coaching staff is first rate. Last year the only thing holding us back from the Super Bowl was the lack of a decent secondary. We bring in 4 new talented CBs and completely revamp the secondary coaching staff.

Oh sure, I am the optimistic fan boy. But four years ago I was disgusted with this organization and calling it the worst in sports. This organization has methodically built up the coach staff, made outstanding drafts, and created an insatiable winning atmosphere. In four years the Lions have gone from the worst organization in sports to the best. Anything can happen in a season of football, but this team is in the best position of any team in the league to win the Super Bowl.

Maybe it is just my crazy viewpoint, but when players, coaches and management pour 100 percent of their heart into building something great, it seem pretty ungrateful to be constantly second-guessing using hindsight decisions which did not turn out perfect.

“Sounds like Nazi Germany!”

- Corrado Soprano

Takes all kinds to make the big blue marble to go around. Life would be intolerable if everyone saw things through the same prism. I love hearing different perspectives - every single person I interact with has something to teach me, because their lived experiences are different from mine.

One thing I have consistently heard from ex-NFL executives who had great careers (now retired or doing media now) is hubris is something to guard against as you start to see success. Don’t be too quick to self-congratulate or pull receipts; this league will humble you quick. Listen to and evaluate dissenting voices. Just bc you have had a string of hits doesn’t mean you won’t face adversity going forward. Don’t ever think you can do no wrong bc everyone has missteps; course corrections and reboots are part of the challenge.

I will always love and support players, coaches, and managers who do things right and put their heart and 100 percent effort and dedication into it. I am not sure how that relates to naziism. I am not being forced or compelled to love the Lions, in fact the Patrica era had me feed up and disgusted with them.

Criticism is fine, but those who want to wait until the Lions stack up Super Bowls before supporting and acknowledging their efforts are not fans.

Dan Campbell pours his heart into this team 24/7/365. He learns and adapts and constantly improves. Dan Campbell believes in being aggressive in a league that is dominated by overly conservstive logic. If Dan was being lazy in his aggressiveness and just taking unnecessary chances that would be one thing. But he studies the game and believes those decisions give the team the best chance to win.

I don't see hubris as what is leading to failures as much as resting on one's laurels. When people put in the work and have processes which produce great results, having an abundance of confidence in what you are doing is not a problem. Failure comes when you stop putting in the effort which got you there.

And the reality is the massive crowds at the draft, the amount of support the Lions get on the road, and the attendance at spring workouts show that the fan base is supporting this team. But there is still some SOL negativity that is lazy, unproductive, and uncalled for. Calling Dan Campbell dumb for his aggressiveness or questioning why Brad is not signing some aging overpriced FA, or calling players like Jamo a bust fits thst category for me.
 
Just in case anyone was wondering about BB, Coach had an update earlier this week:

“He had a little cleanup there,” Campbell said of Branch. “Something that, coming out of last year, thought he might heal, and then it just ended up being, ‘We better get this thing done.’ So that’s where he’s at. That and I think he likes riding scooters. But we feel like he’s progressing well. We feel like he’ll be ready to go in (training) camp. If not, early enough it’ll be—certainly he’ll get enough reps to be ready for the season. That’s how we feel right now.”
 
That and I think he likes riding scooters.
LOL
Reminds me of the 83 NCAA Semifinals with Scooter Mccray going up against Clyde the Glide and Akeem the Dream. You have to love the nicknames. Lions could recapture he early 80's vibe by signing Patrick Queen and belting out " another one bites the dust" while Scooter Branch and Kerby the Vacuum perform the Safety Dance.
 
That and I think he likes riding scooters.
LOL
Reminds me of the 83 NCAA Semifinals with Scooter Mccray going up against Clyde the Glide and Akeem the Dream. You have to love the nicknames. Lions could recapture he early 80's vibe by signing Patrick Queen and belting out " another one bites the dust" while Scooter Branch and Kerby the Vacuum perform the Safety Dance.

Phi Slamma Jamma v The Doctors of Dunk (#1 v #2)

I just took a trip down memory lane remembering that tournament. Every round was played in basketball arenas - no football domes - with most games on college campuses. The Final Four was at The Pit in Albuquerque, NM (University of New Mexico) - capacity 15,411.

That’s an especially memorable tournament for me because the day before the Semifinals I entered boot camp. The world ceased to exist for 9 weeks, radios and newspapers were not allowed. It was approximately four weeks after the Championship game when I had an opportunity to find out what happened. I was sent to Dental to have all 4 wisdom tooth pulled the beginning of Week 5.

Not that I needed to, but that was simply the standard operating procedure. Wouldn’t want to deprive the government of my availability at any time during my 6 year enlistment. Anyone with their wisdom teeth upon enlistment had them extracted.

I asked the attending dental hygienist if he was a bball fan and if so, could he could tell me anything about the Final Four. Man alive did his eyes light up as he excitedly told me all about the Semifinal showdown and the incredible finish of the finals. It would be another 5 weeks when I finally saw the games when my sister brought VHS recordings to my graduation.
 
That and I think he likes riding scooters.
LOL
Reminds me of the 83 NCAA Semifinals with Scooter Mccray going up against Clyde the Glide and Akeem the Dream. You have to love the nicknames. Lions could recapture he early 80's vibe by signing Patrick Queen and belting out " another one bites the dust" while Scooter Branch and Kerby the Vacuum perform the Safety Dance.

Phi Slamma Jamma v The Doctors of Dunk (#1 v #2)

I just took a trip down memory lane remembering that tournament. Every round was played in basketball arenas - no football domes - with most games on college campuses. The Final Four was at The Pit in Albuquerque, NM (University of New Mexico) - capacity 15,411.

That’s an especially memorable tournament for me because the day before the Semifinals I entered boot camp. The world ceased to exist for 9 weeks, radios and newspapers were not allowed. It was approximately four weeks after the Championship game when I had an opportunity to find out what happened. I was sent to Dental to have all 4 wisdom tooth pulled the beginning of Week 5.

Not that I needed to, but that was simply the standard operating procedure. Wouldn’t want to deprive the government of my availability at any time during my 6 year enlistment. Anyone with their wisdom teeth upon enlistment had them extracted.

I asked the attending dental hygienist if he was a bball fan and if so, could he could tell me anything about the Final Four. Man alive did his eyes light up as he excitedly told me all about the Semifinal showdown and the incredible finish of the finals. It would be another 5 weeks when I finally saw the games when my sister brought VHS recordings to my graduation.
Memory Layne--if it serves me correctly, Drexler had a real issue with the altitude in Albuquerque. However, getting him to come out of the game was like pulling teeth.
 
That and I think he likes riding scooters.
LOL
Reminds me of the 83 NCAA Semifinals with Scooter Mccray going up against Clyde the Glide and Akeem the Dream. You have to love the nicknames. Lions could recapture he early 80's vibe by signing Patrick Queen and belting out " another one bites the dust" while Scooter Branch and Kerby the Vacuum perform the Safety Dance.

Phi Slamma Jamma v The Doctors of Dunk (#1 v #2)

I just took a trip down memory lane remembering that tournament. Every round was played in basketball arenas - no football domes - with most games on college campuses. The Final Four was at The Pit in Albuquerque, NM (University of New Mexico) - capacity 15,411.

That’s an especially memorable tournament for me because the day before the Semifinals I entered boot camp. The world ceased to exist for 9 weeks, radios and newspapers were not allowed. It was approximately four weeks after the Championship game when I had an opportunity to find out what happened. I was sent to Dental to have all 4 wisdom tooth pulled the beginning of Week 5.

Not that I needed to, but that was simply the standard operating procedure. Wouldn’t want to deprive the government of my availability at any time during my 6 year enlistment. Anyone with their wisdom teeth upon enlistment had them extracted.

I asked the attending dental hygienist if he was a bball fan and if so, could he could tell me anything about the Final Four. Man alive did his eyes light up as he excitedly told me all about the Semifinal showdown and the incredible finish of the finals. It would be another 5 weeks when I finally saw the games when my sister brought VHS recordings to my graduation.

Good ****... I went off to boot camp Jan. 4 '92... the day before the Lions only playoff victory in my lifetime... they actually announced it in the barracks so that was nice.. 🤷‍♂️
 
Two years ago I went all-in as Hutch DROY at +1400. He came in second.

Last year, I went all in on Dan Campbell as Coach of the Year. At +1600. He finished third.

This year, I really like:

Goff at +3500 for MVP

MCDC at +2500 for coach of the year Is OK, but not as strong.

These are longshots, so they are not suppose to come in. While coming close on those bets was disappointing, getting that close meant they good risks. I could have cashed out profits on both of those, but did not.

But I really really like Goff's chances at +3500. The narrative as Goff not being a great QB is starting to wear off, but as the +3500 shows, he is really still not getting the respect he deserves. The Lions should have the best offense in football, and Goff will be the biggest benefactor. The Lions should also be a strong contender for a #1 seed. If those happen, Goff should be the leading candidate for MVP.

Detroit at +1300 to win the Super Bowl is fun, but there are lots of things which can happen, especially in the playoffs.
 
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I guess my question would be why is MCDC's odds for COY so much longer this year?

Most people wrongly believe Campbell's decisions to go for it on fourth down or go for two cost Lions wins. So Campbell has been downgraded by the experts and the public despite Campbell more closely following advance analytics which shows such aggressiveness actually increasing Detroit's chances of winning. Conventional wisdom dies slowly. Losing in the NFC championship did not help this misconception.

Plus, most of the writers see improvement from one year to the next as the biggest factor in the award. So even though Andy Reid is stacking up championships, he is not getting the credit he deserves and does nkt get votes. Last season he deserved the award winning with that team which lacked a great WR. But alao the award is actually voted on after the season, not after the SB, so that did not really help him.
 
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dozen Lions players who have all-NFC level talent

bruh

As ceazy as that hot take sounded last August, the Lions ended up having 5 players (Hutch, Penei, Frank, Maybin, and LaPorta) selected to the Pro-Bowl and 7 more players (Saint, Gibbs, Goff, Jonah, Monty, Kalif, and Anzalone) who were selected as alternates.

And three more Branch, Iffy, and Alim who should of have been strong considerations. This year we have guys like Jack Campbell, hopefully one of our CBs like Terrion ends up at that level. We have top level talent sprinkled all over the field.
 
Jared Goff Is NFL's Best Quarterback When Unpressured

Goff was the league's best quarterback when unpressured last season, but that fell to 24th when he had a defender in his face. That's a trend that has stuck around since his days in Los Angeles.

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That somewhat confirms the conventional wisdom surrounding. It also suggest Goff could put up an MVP-type season with elite protection, which is not conventional wisdom. Also, PFF recently ranked Goff as only the 16th best QB. A lot of this was based on Goff's inability to perform under pressure, his lack of running ability, and what they call his 'big-time throw' percentage, which they rated as 3.5 percent. Top QB's like Burrow are up around u percent. Not sure how they figure what one is though.
 
Jared Goff Is NFL's Best Quarterback When Unpressured

Goff was the league's best quarterback when unpressured last season, but that fell to 24th when he had a defender in his face. That's a trend that has stuck around since his days in Los Angeles.

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That somewhat confirms the conventional wisdom surrounding. It also suggest Goff could put up an MVP-type season with elite protection, which is not conventional wisdom. Also, PFF recently ranked Goff as only the 16th best QB. A lot of this was based on Goff's inability to perform under pressure, his lack of running ability, and what they call his 'big-time throw' percentage, which they rated as 3.5 percent. Top QB's like Burrow are up around u percent. Not sure how they figure what one is though.
Also throw in Goff’s struggles on the road and outdoors and you have a QB that you can doubt.

Lions have done an excellent job of playing to Goff’s strengths. They worked to build his confidence and provided elite protection and offensive weapons .
They also earned two playoff home games last year and their loss on the road to SF was not due to his play.

Situation is everything and having Goff as the 16th rated QB is nonsense. He still has an elite OL which may be better than last year. He plays 14 games indoors and still has elite weapons.

Also it’s my perception and hopefully not wishful thinking that his confidence continues to grow regarding his weaknesses. I’ve seen him make so many big time throws with the game on the line.

I think he is closer to having an MVP season than being ranked 16th.
 
Jared Goff Is NFL's Best Quarterback When Unpressured

Goff was the league's best quarterback when unpressured last season, but that fell to 24th when he had a defender in his face. That's a trend that has stuck around since his days in Los Angeles.

------------

That somewhat confirms the conventional wisdom surrounding. It also suggest Goff could put up an MVP-type season with elite protection, which is not conventional wisdom. Also, PFF recently ranked Goff as only the 16th best QB. A lot of this was based on Goff's inability to perform under pressure, his lack of running ability, and what they call his 'big-time throw' percentage, which they rated as 3.5 percent. Top QB's like Burrow are up around u percent. Not sure how they figure what one is though.
Also throw in Goff’s struggles on the road and outdoors and you have a QB that you can doubt.

Lions have done an excellent job of playing to Goff’s strengths. They worked to build his confidence and provided elite protection and offensive weapons .
They also earned two playoff home games last year and their loss on the road to SF was not due to his play.

Situation is everything and having Goff as the 16th rated QB is nonsense. He still has an elite OL which may be better than last year. He plays 14 games indoors and still has elite weapons.

Also it’s my perception and hopefully not wishful thinking that his confidence continues to grow regarding his weaknesses. I’ve seen him make so many big time throws with the game on the line.

I think he is closer to having an MVP season than being ranked 16th.

I agree as long as our starting 5 OL stay healthy. But it gets scary pretty fast once you have to go to Skipper or Sorsdal or Manu or Mahogany. There is some hype around Mahogany, so maybe we have something there. I can't wait for Manu to develop because he is an incredible physical specimen, but that may take a couple years.
 
Jared Goff Is NFL's Best Quarterback When Unpressured

Goff was the league's best quarterback when unpressured last season, but that fell to 24th when he had a defender in his face. That's a trend that has stuck around since his days in Los Angeles.

------------

That somewhat confirms the conventional wisdom surrounding. It also suggest Goff could put up an MVP-type season with elite protection, which is not conventional wisdom. Also, PFF recently ranked Goff as only the 16th best QB. A lot of this was based on Goff's inability to perform under pressure, his lack of running ability, and what they call his 'big-time throw' percentage, which they rated as 3.5 percent. Top QB's like Burrow are up around u percent. Not sure how they figure what one is though.
Also throw in Goff’s struggles on the road and outdoors and you have a QB that you can doubt.

Lions have done an excellent job of playing to Goff’s strengths. They worked to build his confidence and provided elite protection and offensive weapons .
They also earned two playoff home games last year and their loss on the road to SF was not due to his play.

Situation is everything and having Goff as the 16th rated QB is nonsense. He still has an elite OL which may be better than last year. He plays 14 games indoors and still has elite weapons.

Also it’s my perception and hopefully not wishful thinking that his confidence continues to grow regarding his weaknesses. I’ve seen him make so many big time throws with the game on the line.

I think he is closer to having an MVP season than being ranked 16th.

I typically see the value in what PFF puts out there but if they're saying big throws are a weakness for Goff I couldn't disagree more. He had to be at the top of the league being asked to throw on 4th down, it seemed like he did it 3-4 times a game and he was on the money for almost all of them. I'd say being clutch is his biggest strength now that I think about it.
 

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