ChiefD
Footballguy
Yeah, he really does.
I'm not liking this display of "professionalism" from him. If he's going to be the greatest QB in the league he has to rise above this somehow and figure out how to make it work.
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****2024 Kansas City Chiefs Thread - Two Time Defending Super Bowl Champs**** (1 Viewer)
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I'm not liking this display of "professionalism" from him. If he's going to be the greatest QB in the league he has to rise above this somehow and figure out how to make it work.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Receivers are pure trash. O line has declined significantly. On the front office to fix it or they will waste Mahomes talent and contract for the next 1/2 decade
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
My honest opinion is that Mahomes and Kelce are both pressing because they know the offensive line isn't very good and the WRs keep dropping balls, and the pressing is causing both to not play as well as they normally do. And I still think Kelce came back too soon from that injury he had in the preseason; he hasn't looked like himself all season, even early on when he had a few big games.
I also think the hubris of Andy Reid is biting them as well. He is obviously a great coach and play-caller, but it's like he doesn't know when to dial it back and run the ball. It happened in the Super Bowl against TB where they missing their tackles and he still thought they could throw it all day, and it happened again yesterday when Mahomes dropped back to throw over 50 times and the RBs got a grand total of 15 carries.
I also think the hubris of Andy Reid is biting them as well. He is obviously a great coach and play-caller, but it's like he doesn't know when to dial it back and run the ball. It happened in the Super Bowl against TB where they missing their tackles and he still thought they could throw it all day, and it happened again yesterday when Mahomes dropped back to throw over 50 times and the RBs got a grand total of 15 carries.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Mahomes has to be perfect, and even then someone will drop it anyways. A failure by the front office and Reid.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Mahomes has to own some of this as well. He is the QB.
Keep in mind that he was drafted into a perfect situation. HOF head coach (he was borderline already even with no rings before Mahomes got there), a HOF TE who was still early in his prime (who had already been All-Pro 1st team twice before playing with Mahomes) and the best deep threat the league has possibly even seen (one who is making Tua look great right now). This season is the first extended bit of adversity he has faced, and between complaining about officials making correct calls and constantly looking like he is going to cry because everything is not going his way for once, he is not handling it well. Fortunately, he has the sports media, who worships him like he is Jesus Christ on a football field, to back him up and divert blame elsewhere, but I think many football fans know what we are seeing.
And I say that as someone who, despite being a Broncos fan since the 80s, has always liked Mahomes.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Sure he has to own some of it, but this is normal when a QB is trying to do everything with little help. I can start naming seasons where the GOAT Brady appeared mediocre as well with little help around him, so I don't put too much stock into any notion that his skills have declined. He's frustrated because his WRs stink, and I'm in no place to tell him how he should act. Toney lost them two games, while MVS dropped another. It's been a comedy show and yes he's never been subjected to this level of garbage play around him before.
Raiders, Broncos and Chargers. Like the AFC East when the Pats were winning.
I have to ask...why did the Chiefs give Jawann Taylor $80 million over 4 years instead of keeping a far superior player in Orlando Brown? Taylor has never been very good. Brown got $74 million together very 4 years from the Bengals. The GM has to take a lot of the blame for the struggles of the offense.
They offered Brown a deal which he rejected then had to settle for less from Cincy. Taylor is not ideal and unfortunately they are stuck paying him 2 more seasons. Whether he gets replaced as a starter is tbd.
8 out of 9 years to the divisional round including all 6 of Mahomes seasons
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
No Toney and Skyy Moore has helped this offense. Neither of those clowns should see the field this postseason. Chiefs are still the defending champs who have the best QB in the league (even if he didn't play like it this season), the best head coach and a top defense. They can never be counted out.
caustic
Footballguy
Other than the week 3 blowout against Chicago, last night's game was probably KC's best of the season. The defense was stifling and the offense moved the ball easily for once. The weaknesses that have slowed them down all year were still present, though - failure to turn RZ trips into TDs, backbreaking Jawaan Taylor penalties, drops (a bit more excusable in -25F weather), and near total incompetence by every passing game target not named Kelce or Rice. They still don't look like championship material but should be a tough out at least.
That brings us to the offseason which will be one of the biggest in recent memory. Making a splash in the FA WR market probably means letting one of Sneed or Jones go - the most cap space they can reasonably get to without major restructuring is around $50 million. Historically, Veach has forgone expensive CBs for cheap rookie-scale contributors, but I wonder if that changes with Sneed. He's just been so good. Shut down Chase, only allowed 1 reception to Tyreek+Waddle across two games, total stud. Also 3 years younger than Jones.
Considering the quality of this class, WR has to be the top priority in the draft regardless of what happens in free agency, IMO. Right now I think Adonai Mitchell from Texas would be a perfect fit in the late 1st. A true X receiver with a full route tree, sneaky deep ball ability, and importantly, EXCELLENT HANDS. Reminds me a bit of Nico Collins. I also really like Brian Thomas Jr from LSU, who I'd compare to DK Metcalf. Incredible physical profile with the size/strength/speed combo of a true WR1. Scary deep threat. Just not a polished route runner or expert press-beater at the moment. Early on I think he'd fit best as a Z receiver, overlapping some with Rice's role. Very eager to see how this shakes out.
That brings us to the offseason which will be one of the biggest in recent memory. Making a splash in the FA WR market probably means letting one of Sneed or Jones go - the most cap space they can reasonably get to without major restructuring is around $50 million. Historically, Veach has forgone expensive CBs for cheap rookie-scale contributors, but I wonder if that changes with Sneed. He's just been so good. Shut down Chase, only allowed 1 reception to Tyreek+Waddle across two games, total stud. Also 3 years younger than Jones.
Considering the quality of this class, WR has to be the top priority in the draft regardless of what happens in free agency, IMO. Right now I think Adonai Mitchell from Texas would be a perfect fit in the late 1st. A true X receiver with a full route tree, sneaky deep ball ability, and importantly, EXCELLENT HANDS. Reminds me a bit of Nico Collins. I also really like Brian Thomas Jr from LSU, who I'd compare to DK Metcalf. Incredible physical profile with the size/strength/speed combo of a true WR1. Scary deep threat. Just not a polished route runner or expert press-beater at the moment. Early on I think he'd fit best as a Z receiver, overlapping some with Rice's role. Very eager to see how this shakes out.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I mostly agree, and I think analytics have made some feel like kicking field goals equals failure, but that is not the case at all. Kicking field goals is what enabled them to beat the Bengals in Week 17, and what enabled them to put the game out of reach last night. The Bengals made it to the Super Bowl two years by kicking and making 12 field goals in their three AFC playoff games. With the Chiefs defense being this good, they don't need to score 30+ on a regular basis to win games.
6 straight, yeah 6 straight AFCCGs.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
This is just nuts. Congrats fellas.
I don't know, there is something to be said for experience, and nobody has more than KC.
I've sorta felt like KC has had some "sleeping giant" energy since November. Like they'd get it together once the playoffs started, and they seem to have done so.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
They aren't going to choke.
Might get outplayed but definitely not going to fold under outside pressure.
Might get outplayed but definitely not going to fold under outside pressure.
Football Jones
Footballguy
If the Chiefs go get a big-time WR, I'd have them the favorites entering next season just on their consistency with the Ravens a close 2nd.
The AFC is quite a bit ahead of the NFC right now. I just want to see a competitive Super Bowl.
The AFC is quite a bit ahead of the NFC right now. I just want to see a competitive Super Bowl.
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crushedspirit
Footballguy
Ravens have the better team on paper, but this KC team reminds me of the NE days in a way. You had to bring your A game to beat Brady and the gang because they always made things tough no matter how vulnerable they looked. Buffalo executed their offensive game plan to almost perfection. A whopping 37 mins TOP, 27 first downs, 50% 3rd down efficiency, and 78 plays for 368 yards. Yet, KC found a way on offense even though Reid almost gave the game away with a bone headed call on the 1.
A champ is never out of the fight even when he's staggering in the ring.
A champ is never out of the fight even when he's staggering in the ring.
4 out of 5 years in the Super Bowl
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Unreal how this team and QB find ways.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Brady sweating a little tonight. Mahomes a lot closer to GOAT than anyone could have imagined.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Welp I’m officially on your bandwagon. Go Mahomes and Reid!
And 3 out of 5 years WINNING the Super Bowl. Back to back titles baby omg!!! Time to change the thread title @ChiefD
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
ChiefD your reverse jinx worked all season, congrats.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Hell yeah. Amazing. Congrats!!
MVS collecting rings
George Karlaftis and Trent mcduffie do nothing but win super bowls
Creed Humphrey is so good but let’s work on those low snaps bro
Trey smith I see you
Rashee Rice welcome to the club
Noah Gray, Leo Chenel, Nick Bolton, Willie Gay get your rings men.
Jawaan Taylor you didn’t get embarrassed by Bosa
George Karlaftis and Trent mcduffie do nothing but win super bowls
Creed Humphrey is so good but let’s work on those low snaps bro
Trey smith I see you
Rashee Rice welcome to the club
Noah Gray, Leo Chenel, Nick Bolton, Willie Gay get your rings men.
Jawaan Taylor you didn’t get embarrassed by Bosa
So sweaty
crushedspirit
Footballguy
When you have the champ against the ropes you need to finish him, and SF couldn't. Can't give Mahomes too many chances, or you will eventually pay for it.
Yeah early 3q, the 49ers couldn't deliver a crushing drive. Obviously, the KC d continued to get stops but yeah it was a very dangerous part of the game.
Leo Chenal getting a shout out on GMFB and on twitter for a quietly great game
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Congrats to the Chiefs and their fans. They turned it on when it mattered most (whether that be in the playoffs or in the second halves of games). The rest of the league definitely has a problem. Their biggest competitors have struggled to beat them (Allen and the Bills, Jackson and the Ravens). On the NFC side, the Niners have struggled to close out SBs, Dak and the Cowboys can't get wins in the post season, and the Eagles fell apart down the stretch. The only player / team combo that has been able to beat the Chiefs is Burrow / Bengals. But I'm not confident the Bengals can consistently be a top tier team, and Burrow has shown to have the injury bug on occasion. So much for the theory that KC would never win without Tyreek. I don't really see a team out there right now that is on their level.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Shout out to a WI Badger alum
