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2024 Miami Dolphins (3 Viewers)
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Gatorman
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Correct. Miami has Tua under contract through 2028, but their out if after next season with a cap hit, so Miami is in the QB market in 2025. Period, end of story. Now, the question will be do they bring in a vet or draft someone, or both? I'd put my stock in drafting someone but who knows.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I can't speak for all Miami fans but I would like to turn the page at this point, as painful as it might be financially and within the cap.
I'd prefer they trade everyone and next year field 25 UDFAs and just eat it. Go 1-16 but be free of all these bad contracts now and just swallow the Tua money in 1 or 2 off seasons
Don't draw it out and try to spread the money over 4-5 years, just be done with it
I would just roll Thompson out there for better or worse
He was drafted 7th rd in '22, started as many Playoff games as Tua
For all those bashing Skyler, how many snaps or reps do you think he took on a short week? I bet he took barely any
Give him 10 days in practice taking reps and snaps every day, we've seen this kid look alright, I'd prefer they let Skyler play
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I can’t see wasting that many weapons on Thompson
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I think they should give him a shot too. He has flaws, but he earned a lot of credit with me for how he approached that playoff game. Not going to judge him on what we saw last night.
Max Power
Footballguy
Trey Lance knows McDaniel from their SF days.
Prob have to send a 4th+ to get a team's current #2 assuming their #3 is just as good.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Lance seems to be garbage.
Max Power
Footballguy
Probably is, but options are limited and he's a backup who realistically could be traded for nothing.
Ironman2131
Footballguy
In the scenario where Tua is done, I agree with just punting on 2025. Either draft a QB next year or the following year, dump or trade every high priced player over a certain age, and just take your medicine. To me the debate is whether to keep the high priced guys who are young. Maybe look at them on a case-by-case basis and keep some but trade others for a massive haul of picks or younger guys still on their rookie deals. If it all breaks right, the team could be competitive again by 2026 or 2027.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Rumor mill, social media, some news outlets reporting the Miami Dolphins are leaning towards shutting him down for the season
That takes all the retirement talk off the table and they can let Tua figure out what he wants to do
Sounds like speculation but it's not hard to find them on Google
That takes all the retirement talk off the table and they can let Tua figure out what he wants to do
Sounds like speculation but it's not hard to find them on Google
Todem
Footballguy
Carolina took the wrong guy….just like we did.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Ok, please give me the list of better QBs available that Miami can acquire and win playoff games with. I'll wait.
Everyone wants to crap on Tua and can't wait to toss him aside. These elite QBs that can win playoff games and super bowls aren't just hanging around.
Tua takes a lot of unnecessary flack. And since this is a fantasy football forum, Tua was great for the play makers (Hill, Waddle and the starting RBs).
Big Nate
Footballguy
Mac Jones and Browning would be the top 2 but I doubt either of those are up for trade. With Burrows wrist surgery they probably need Browning just in case something flares up or he has a setback. Browning is under contract with the Bengals through 2026 for dirt cheap so I don't see them wanting to trade him.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
So losing Tua IYO is the most devastating loss in franchise history? Not sure how a franchise could look at his injury history and not anticipate this happening.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Seems like they are going to roll with Skylar for now. Worth a shot IMO
Big Nate
Footballguy
Bro learn to quote. I never said this.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Skylar has a good arm, he just needs to be confident and make his decisions right away. trust his receivers. He can't wait until he sees it open - by then it is too late.
I like Skylar but I think he needs more time to develop. Guess we see.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
Big Nate
Footballguy
It is. Once he gets up to speed with the playbook I assume he goes in. I think he will be a lot more poised and able to execute the offense.Maybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
I'm on the fence if he can elevate Hill and Waddle to make them fantasy viable tho.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hard to find any game logs where he threw for 200 yds in a single game and he had 5 starts end of the '22 seasonIt is. Once he gets up to speed with the playbook I assume he goes in. I think he will be a lot more poised and able to execute the offense.Maybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
I'm on the fence if he can elevate Hill and Waddle to make them fantasy viable tho.
I really don't believe he will do well at all but Thompson sustained an injury and looked not good we'll say on the road in Seattle
Season is over anyways, be better if Miami started to trade guys they shouldn't extend and get the most they can in draft capital to start a rebuild process
Problem is Grier is trying to keep his job and won't think like that
Miami is in Big Trouble right now
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
658 yds - 2 TD passesMaybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
Over 5 games, 4 of them he started
You that intrigued by this guy?
I understand why you want someone else besides Thompson, I honestly do
Big Nate
Footballguy
Miami is indeed in big trouble. ZERO offense last game and our defense can't stop anything, especially the run.Hard to find any game logs where he threw for 200 yds in a single game and he had 5 starts end of the '22 seasonIt is. Once he gets up to speed with the playbook I assume he goes in. I think he will be a lot more poised and able to execute the offense.Maybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
I'm on the fence if he can elevate Hill and Waddle to make them fantasy viable tho.
I really don't believe he will do well at all but Thompson sustained an injury and looked not good we'll say on the road in Seattle
Season is over anyways, be better if Miami started to trade guys they shouldn't extend and get the most they can in draft capital to start a rebuild process
Problem is Grier is trying to keep his job and won't think like that
Miami is in Big Trouble right now
James Cook destroyed us even before Tua got hurt vs BUF.
It's not good captain.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I’m at an all time low. Want to know how I know? My first thought this morning was to blow the whole thing up and do whatever it takes to get Belichick.
Looking forward to getting lit up by Will Levis on a Monday night at home. Again.
Looking forward to getting lit up by Will Levis on a Monday night at home. Again.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What is Holland worth?Miami is indeed in big trouble. ZERO offense last game and our defense can't stop anything, especially the run.Hard to find any game logs where he threw for 200 yds in a single game and he had 5 starts end of the '22 seasonIt is. Once he gets up to speed with the playbook I assume he goes in. I think he will be a lot more poised and able to execute the offense.Maybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
I'm on the fence if he can elevate Hill and Waddle to make them fantasy viable tho.
I really don't believe he will do well at all but Thompson sustained an injury and looked not good we'll say on the road in Seattle
Season is over anyways, be better if Miami started to trade guys they shouldn't extend and get the most they can in draft capital to start a rebuild process
Problem is Grier is trying to keep his job and won't think like that
Miami is in Big Trouble right now
James Cook destroyed us even before Tua got hurt vs BUF.
It's not good captain.
Year 4 of his rookie deal, 2nd round pick, no 5th yr option
I think they should trade him since many feel he is a Pro Bowl level Safety
Can they get a 1st or a 2nd and a 3rd? They need to start thinking about having 10-12-14 draft picks if possible next season and a lot of UDFA types so they can swallow the cap hits
It's better than the slow drip alternative
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
They just gave HUGE money to Tua-Tyreek-Waddle-Ramsey...it's gonna be painful and it admits mistakes and defeat, ho pays the price for that? Grier?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I'd say that Miami should just run RPOs with this guy. If McDaniel can't put together a scheme that uses his legs as a threat beside the speed of Waddle, Achane, and Hill then we really need to be asking serious questions about him.658 yds - 2 TD passesMaybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
Over 5 games, 4 of them he started
You that intrigued by this guy?
I understand why you want someone else besides Thompson, I honestly do
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
When I’ve seen him play, he’s looked like an NFL QB out there.It is. Once he gets up to speed with the playbook I assume he goes in. I think he will be a lot more poised and able to execute the offense.Maybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
I'm on the fence if he can elevate Hill and Waddle to make them fantasy viable tho.
He also has some escapability, which seems critical in the modern NFL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
100%
And that’s absolutely part of his game, having backed up LJax in that system.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'd say that Miami should just run RPOs with this guy. If McDaniel can't put together a scheme that uses his legs as a threat beside the speed of Waddle, Achane, and Hill then we really need to be asking serious questions about him.658 yds - 2 TD passesMaybe it’s time to see what Huntley can do.
Over 5 games, 4 of them he started
You that intrigued by this guy?
I understand why you want someone else besides Thompson, I honestly do
HC, Mike McDaniel - MIA
He was never the top choice for Miami, they interviewed many or tried to interview coaches who politely declined after Miami was caught cheating Stephen Ross was suspended for 8 games, not many owners that I can recall have ever been given that kid of punishment. Whether you believe Ross tried...
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not a dolphins fan and couldn’t care less tbh.
I’ve seen Huntley play and he’s a competent QB.
As for the stats, he’s never been throwing to Hill/Waddle/Achane either. Context matters.
And he’s looked a lot better than anything I’ve seen from Thompson.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
It's funny. Skylar was getting a lot of praise when he played Buffalo in the playoffs but I didn't really see much there. It's visually jarring to go from one of the quickest releases in the game (Tua) to a pretty slow one. Everyone is tearing him apart today but what I noticed yesterday was just how poorly the coaching staff set up him. Boyle looked a little better mostly because he would just rip the first read.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Never a huge Armando fan, but he hit the nail on the head here:
Grier was obviously feeling confident about himself and his personnel staff after they won zero playoff games during his eight-year tenure as a general manager. So he felt he could call out the media about their constant criticism of how he handles talent along the offensive line.
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Grier was obviously feeling confident about himself and his personnel staff after they won zero playoff games during his eight-year tenure as a general manager. So he felt he could call out the media about their constant criticism of how he handles talent along the offensive line.
GM Chris Grier's Lack Of Forethought Is Hurting The Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins gambled last year in not signing a former starting quarterback to back up Tua Tagovailoa and that worked. They tried it again this year and it is already failing.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
72-33 thru 3 games
Miami is avg 11 points per game right now
Only team worse is Jax at 10 PPG, and we managed to win against them Week 1
Miami is avg 11 points per game right now
Only team worse is Jax at 10 PPG, and we managed to win against them Week 1
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It was time to either pay Tua or find a trade partner, they were never trading so they paid himNever a huge Armando fan, but he hit the nail on the head here:
Grier was obviously feeling confident about himself and his personnel staff after they won zero playoff games during his eight-year tenure as a general manager. So he felt he could call out the media about their constant criticism of how he handles talent along the offensive line.
GM Chris Grier's Lack Of Forethought Is Hurting The Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins gambled last year in not signing a former starting quarterback to back up Tua Tagovailoa and that worked. They tried it again this year and it is already failing.
Tua played for $4M last year, they could never get him out there on a 5th year option so they gave him the big contract close to about training camp
Once they paid Tua, they had to go cheap on areas they hoped they wouldn't need like back up QB and the OL because Tua gets the ball out fast
Even if you believe what I just wrote, Tua looked pretty bad in the Game 1 and especially vs Buffalo where prior to the concussion he threw a terrible Pick-6
It's always been a house of cards. Tua markets well and made the fan base happy, most of them
Sells seats, keeps the media happy and off the owners back so he doesn't have to actually produce wins
We don't measure success by wins and losses, those are Stephen Ross' own words when he fired Flores
Man In The Box
Footballguy
The thing that’s pissing me off the most is watching these other castaways not just playing ok, but lighting up the league. And we have this so called offensive genius who’s coached a player for 2+ years who can’t complete a 10 yard pass with two of the best receivers in the league at his disposal. Absolutely infuriating. I get that the offensive line stinks to high heaven but yesterday’s offensive performance is inexcusable.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Some people just have to show themselves in public
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I think some jobs are on the line if Tim Boyle plays like typical Tim Boyle vs the Titans. I am not sure how the front office evaluates him positively when he threw nothing but check downs against you in week 12. That is not a gamble I would ever take.
They better get Huntley up to speed quickly.
They better get Huntley up to speed quickly.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've seen Huntley look bad too.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Kevin O'Connell is a comparison that really hurts here. He has been able to turn chicken **** into chicken salad with any QB he has plugged in. Not that Mullens, Dobbs, and Hall looked great last year but they all were able to run a functional offense.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I guess where I diverge on this is that the salary cap is always a house of cards. As long as an owner is willing to spend the actual cash, it isn't really a binding constraint. You're right though, Ross does value perceived stars too highly.It was time to either pay Tua or find a trade partner, they were never trading so they paid himNever a huge Armando fan, but he hit the nail on the head here:
Grier was obviously feeling confident about himself and his personnel staff after they won zero playoff games during his eight-year tenure as a general manager. So he felt he could call out the media about their constant criticism of how he handles talent along the offensive line.
GM Chris Grier's Lack Of Forethought Is Hurting The Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins gambled last year in not signing a former starting quarterback to back up Tua Tagovailoa and that worked. They tried it again this year and it is already failing.
Tua played for $4M last year, they could never get him out there on a 5th year option so they gave him the big contract close to about training camp
Once they paid Tua, they had to go cheap on areas they hoped they wouldn't need like back up QB and the OL because Tua gets the ball out fast
Even if you believe what I just wrote, Tua looked pretty bad in the Game 1 and especially vs Buffalo where prior to the concussion he threw a terrible Pick-6
It's always been a house of cards. Tua markets well and made the fan base happy, most of them
Sells seats, keeps the media happy and off the owners back so he doesn't have to actually produce wins
We don't measure success by wins and losses, those are Stephen Ross' own words when he fired Flores
Shankopotamus
Footballguy
I call it the curse of 1972. Until some other team goes undefeated, we carry the curse.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Mercury Morris passed away over the weekend, didn't see anyone mention it
R.I.P.
'72 season 190 carries - 1,000 rush yds even and 12 TDs on a 14 game schedule
R.I.P.
'72 season 190 carries - 1,000 rush yds even and 12 TDs on a 14 game schedule
4 winning seasons in a row. I think the streak stops this year.
First it was the GOAT Brady in our division for almost 20 years. Now it's Josh Allen who's been playing like an MVP for 5 years, and should continue for another 10. Until the last 2 games, the product has been fun to watch under McDaniel and Grier
Big mistake to extend Tua ... at least one local sports writer, Barry Jackson, said the best option was to let Tua play out his 5th year option to see if he could stay healthy another year and play better vs good teams. We need to pull an Atlanta and draft a QB in 2025.
Todem
Footballguy
Winning seasons……yeah I saw thru the facade of our winning seasons.
Tua 7-15 vs winning teams.
That’s all I see.
No post season wins.
I was full invested as always in our Dolphins and last season I thought we turned the corner. Then two terrible injuries on defense….one happening in a game vs a contender where we were getting our clock cleaned (Baltimore) as usual vs real winning teams. Tua exposed as usual in December and the January.
Damn the bar is low here. But yeah we need to draft a QB in 2025. Absolutely must. And while there are no guarantees we have seen more than enough of Tua.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I'm guessing, based on that he is the only healthy one on roster, Huntley is taking QB1 snaps leading up to game?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
This made me chuckle: https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1838620771708498366/photo/1
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