Insein
Footballguy
With Detroit losing Hutch though, I think Crosby's price is going to be 1st and 3rd to start. They might possibly want 2 firsts. I still think that's worth it to solve the DE position for the next 6-7 years.
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2024 Philadelphia Eagles - First one was for the fans. This one was for the team. Next one is for the legacy. (8 Viewers)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
“Nick Sirianni said he made the 3rd-and-1 call where Jalen Hurts got sacked right before the Eagles’ field goal that got blocked.
Sirianni also said he made a defensive call (that didn’t work out) instead of Vic Fangio at one point.”
Jesus
Sirianni also said he made a defensive call (that didn’t work out) instead of Vic Fangio at one point.”
Jesus
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
This could be true. Or it could be him covering for his coordinators.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
True but that play call had him all over it. 7 mad front with 8 in the box and 3 verts. Thats a staple of his and Hurts should have checked out of it.
need2know
Footballguy
*******
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Yeah, plus the shaved head. I fully expect a missing eyebrow next week as he talks about it being his decision to onsides kick after every score. We’ve entered into 12 monkeys insanity with this team/coach.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Shouldn't the first rounder be earmarked to draft Lane's eventual replacement? Unless Stout can coach up a Day 2 prospect.
I wonder what Howie's appetite for Crosby's contract would be, given their salary commitments. Two more years at $23M per, probably would be a candidate for an even meatier extension within the next year. They probably shed Slay and Bradberry's money this offseason. Wonder if they will pony up to keep Baun?
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Nick getting appropriately eviscerated on the radio today.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Honestly, the one thing he should never do is go after the hometown fans. He does that, it will get even uglier. Once you lose the fans, it's almost impossible for a coach to get them back.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yesterday was Jerry Jones birthday btw. Lions gifted him the worst home loss of his tenure as owners in 36 yrs
DJackson10
Footballguy
In other words we got a coach who can’t stay out of his own way
DJackson10
Footballguy
This is another issue I have with Hurts. He doesn’t seem to know when the right time to audible either. Protection calls should go through Dickerson at this point too
DJackson10
Footballguy
If we have Stout he’s made 5th rounders look good. The Tackle class in this draft is very good too
DJackson10
Footballguy
Mike Vrabel
Aaron Glenn, Lions DC
Ben Johnson Lion OCBobby Slowik Texans OC
Unfortunately if Buff fires Mcdermont talk around the league is that’s the top job nfl insiders keep saying coach’s agents keep asking about.
jasvic
Footballguy
Whelp, Nick has got to go. He's crossed the point of no return. Lurie and Howie must know this now, right?
After last season he probably should have gone, but they cleaned house with the assistants and made him "CEO" which I thought was fine. Once you get past the Office Space memes, I think it's a good idea. Head coach has enough on his plate game day without worrying about play calling and the assumption was that he'd still be involved with game planning during the week and the players seem to still like him. But, turns out his game planning sucks and he's still heavily involved in calling plays and on defense too? Just, no. Saw one report claiming this is still his offense and Moore just calls the plays, which makes a lot of sense and is no bueno.
All that aside, yesterday was just an unhinged embarrassment. Jawing at fans after barely beating a bad Browns team. Bring your kids to the table (they looked like hostages) and use them as a constant distractions to avoid answering questions. Get annoyed at legit questions and claiming they will fix it, like that's a given after last season. My wife watched part of it and thought he was having a mental breakdown and she works in mental health as a therapist. His antics were fun at first, mainly because they were winning and the timing was "appropriate". The fact it PO'ed other fans was icing on the cake. But now he's just coming off as unstable.
If the team thinks they have the talent to compete this year he should be fired today, otherwise it's a wasted year. You can criticize Hurts and anything else on this team, but none of it matters with him in charge.
After last season he probably should have gone, but they cleaned house with the assistants and made him "CEO" which I thought was fine. Once you get past the Office Space memes, I think it's a good idea. Head coach has enough on his plate game day without worrying about play calling and the assumption was that he'd still be involved with game planning during the week and the players seem to still like him. But, turns out his game planning sucks and he's still heavily involved in calling plays and on defense too? Just, no. Saw one report claiming this is still his offense and Moore just calls the plays, which makes a lot of sense and is no bueno.
All that aside, yesterday was just an unhinged embarrassment. Jawing at fans after barely beating a bad Browns team. Bring your kids to the table (they looked like hostages) and use them as a constant distractions to avoid answering questions. Get annoyed at legit questions and claiming they will fix it, like that's a given after last season. My wife watched part of it and thought he was having a mental breakdown and she works in mental health as a therapist. His antics were fun at first, mainly because they were winning and the timing was "appropriate". The fact it PO'ed other fans was icing on the cake. But now he's just coming off as unstable.
If the team thinks they have the talent to compete this year he should be fired today, otherwise it's a wasted year. You can criticize Hurts and anything else on this team, but none of it matters with him in charge.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Depends. Are we looking for an offensive guru that can fix Jalen? Someone to adjust culture and process? Typically Lurie goes for an up and comer offensive guy, not a time tested HC.
I still think if Nick is fired, the first call is going to BB. I’m not even sure that I’m ok with that, but I think with the team as constructed there is a short window of opportunity and Jeff will want to pounce. Just my $.02
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I generally agree. Lurie is no dummy and I’m sure he sees the complete disaster that this will become if he doesn’t address this asap. Just letting this simmer is a bad idea and god forbid we lose to the Gints next week, we’re in shirtless-TO-in-the-driveway levels of disfunction and the season is up in smoke.
jasvic
Footballguy
BB would be a bigger mistake, IMO. Don't want him anywhere near this team.
Damien Woody did not hold back.
What's interesting to me is this isn't local sports talk. This is the highest level.
x.com
x.com
Hes right
I've got some good friends that are big Eagles fans. They've mostly argued with me over the years supporting Sirianni in stuff like this.
They said yesterday was last straw.
need2know
Footballguy
Damien Woody did not hold back.
What's interesting to me is this isn't local sports talk. This is the highest level.
x.com
Hes right
I've got some good friends that are big Eagles fans. They've mostly argued with me over the years supporting Sirianni in stuff like this.
They said yesterday was last straw.
He brings nothing. Just a distraction. Its addition by subtraction to me. Im surprised hes still employed
Judge Smails
Footballguy
That was ugly coming off a bye and getting his receivers back healthy. Bad sign of what's to come. They are underperforming badly
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yep 100% right. I’ve been watching football for 40 years and can’t remember a HC acting like he does. He may be trying to get fired at this point. The hiring of two competent coordinators has had an adverse affect on him.Damien Woody did not hold back.
What's interesting to me is this isn't local sports talk. This is the highest level.
x.com
Hes right
need2know
Footballguy
Yep 100% right. I’ve been watching football for 40 years and can’t remember a HC acting like he does. He may be trying to get fired at this point. The hiring of two competent coordinators has had an adverse affect on him.Damien Woody did not hold back.
What's interesting to me is this isn't local sports talk. This is the highest level.
x.com
Hes right
Yeah hes somehow worse. He must be great one on one away from the cameras or something
Terpman22
Footballguy
The timing and the playcalling still seems off to me. You run the ball on first day, get 5 yards, then on 2nd and 3rd down "the best" we can do is 2 back to back long balls on 50/50's. Common sense would say ya know, if you run for 5 on first down just MAYBE run it again to set up the pass later. It just seems they still really want to forcefeed throwing the ball in the wrong situations at the wrong moments too much this year
jasvic
Footballguy
Not just that, but they rarely seem to scheme receivers open. Other teams don't have this issue (granted, I'm saying this watching them play against the Eagles defense), but every pass play is either an amazing catch or perfect pass, sometimes both. This is why I'm hesitant to give up on Hurts as others seem to be now or saying he's limited. I feel the offense is severely limiting him. Heck, maybe he wouldn't be much better in a real offense, but right now I 100% believe coaching/scheme is the biggest issue right now holding this offense back.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Yeah. I feel Nick and Kellen Moore co-existing is not a possible or good thing moving forward. I'm feeling like Nick is grasping at straws or methods of trying to hold onto power or a job he feels he is slipping away. And instead of just doing the right thing, he is meddling a bit into the offense. He's even admitting it. I just feel if/when Moore has full autonomy, things hopefully will smooth out...some and hopefully the creative play calling/design/scheming will start to take shape.
I'm very close to giving up on this season though, but the pass rush having 5+ sacks and Hurts having zero turnovers have me holding on for now.
jasvic
Footballguy
100%. That press conference was a cry for help. He knows his seat is blazing hot and he's panicking.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
seems clear to me now, Hurts can't digest info very fast. he is physically gifted and he knows what he knows, but he can't learn and he can't game manage. I'm not sure he's even reading the defense correctly at the high level required of the offense scheme. So short of looking to replace him in the near future, which would create a bigger problem, we need a coach who can game plan around Hurts and maximize him plus Barkley's usage. that gets us into the playoffs for another couple of years, though i dunno how we fix that defense and need a lot of luck once we get there. Hurts is good enough, but not good, and won't sniff getting to elite it seems.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Ownership and GM need to listen to Vic and give him what he needs/wants. Odds are, we are going to have to try to make a splash at edge and/or draft more help next offseason. Gotta hope the investments into the secondary have paid off, we can bring back at least one of Milton Williams/Jordan Davis (assuming they earn a new contract) and just give Vic what he needs at Edge/LB, even if its against *organizational philosophy* if you are really going to give it an honest go at this thing.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He's been around long enough that you can see that he can’t dissect or carve up a defense, by many accounts he’s not “comfortable” from under center, can’t roll left and throw, can’t use the middle of the field, not a strong arm and now he’s very limited as a runner. He's almost awkward when he runs and slides now. Now they give him the protections to call?!
I can’t get that 3rd down play out of my head when he took the sack. If Nick called the play, fine. He’s making 255 million and HAS to check out of that.
To be fair, he has been better against the blitz this year and when he’s throwing short he’s doing very well but it seems like he can’t stay boring for long.
It also seems like every OC (Steichen, Johnson and Moore) all seem to have different offenses with him than when they’re elsewhere. Thats with Nick and/or Hurts.
DJackson10
Footballguy
They won’t give him the time of day. BB antics don’t work with todays athletes plus Lurie isn’t giving him team control like in NE
DJackson10
Footballguy
I agree but all the long balls aren’t just Nick. Hurts is throwing these bombs to AJ and Smith when he has a guy wide open. Page said something like outside his too 3 guys and RB1 Hurts seems to have trust issues with Recievers. He had Dotson Wideopen 2 yards from the 1st down marker with space to get 15 or more before a defender came close, and throws a little 3 yds pass to Jack Stoll short of the marker.
We can blame Nick all we want and he’s a part of this as if he’s calling deep routes for those two and everyone else short to intermediate routes, guess Who Hurts is throwing to? Yep Going long to AJ or Smitty. So that’s on both of them
DJackson10
Footballguy
You got to hope to not lose your top guys. Hurts is good if you see him for who he is. Good teammate right intangible, good athlete but limited as a QB. Get the right talent and scheme around him he can be ok but this team if they are gonna win a SB need a much better defense and I’m talking top 5 not just good enough top 10-15. If you are playing with a QB like that you need top 5 d.
I think the problem is people saw the SB season and thought Jalen could get better. That’s fair but I always suspected that Shane Steichen and BJ schemed the offense to protect hurts limits and Kelce was still calling protections that the QB should.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I noticed this big time after Steichen left and and Richardsons first year there. It was obvious 2 different offenses.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Ben Johnson
need2know
Footballguy
Jason kelce
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Richardson might be one of the worst passing QBs in the history of the QB position. Of course they'd have to run something different.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The other thing that kills me with Nick is that when Carter was talking **** to the Saints fans he was one of the guys there telling him to calm down. A few weeks later he’s talking **** to OUR fans 
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Jason Peters
Insein
Footballguy
Jason Avant
need2know
Footballguy
Jason bateman
Insein
Footballguy
Oh yea. He played for the Eagles 82-85 right.
jasvic
Footballguy
Patrick Bateman
