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2024 Team Defense & Defense by Committee Thread (1 Viewer)

For those of us rolling out LV defense any concern here? Any of these guys good?

They are cornerback Rock Ya-Sin (knee), defensive tackle Andrew Billings (fibula), linebacker Jayon Brown (hand) and tight end Jesper Horsted (concussion).
It's worth mentioning that Aaron Donald is out.

That can only be good
 
For those of you who missed out on better playoff options (DSTs playing against the Texans, Colts or Rams), this news makes me consider DSTs playing against the Falcons.


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Sources: The #Falcons are looking to the future, making a QB switch to rookie Desmond Ridder as the starter.

Falcons playoff schedule:
15. @Saints
16. @Ravens
17. Home vs. Cardinals
 
For week 15, look at Seattle. SF will be nowhere near as scary of a match up without their QB, and Seattle is still trying to win.

I jumped on the Chargers for weeks 16 and 17. Hopefully they can take advantage of the amazing match ups.
 
It seems easy to say “use this defense, they play a really bad team” but does anyone have data or an article to show if bad defenses actually score more fantasy points against bad teams?
I’ve tried to find this with little luck.

Here is one attempt from a few years ago: https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-metrics-that-matter-team-defense

In sum:

If you’re going to stream defenses, I’d look at a defense’s opposing passer rating in conjunction with the opposing offense’s team passer rating, the combined sack rates of both the offense and defense, and the Vegas spread. I’d then break ties by selecting whichever team is also playing at home.
 
Steelers Legend James Harrison Reveals Why Today’s Defense Is Not As Good As It Used To Be

Steelers defense finding ways to get job done without producing QB sacks

How Good is the Steelers Run Defense?

Steelers EDGE T.J. Watt (ribs) is questionable for Week 14's game against the Ravens.​

Watt got back to a limited practice after missing Thursday and told reporters that he doesn't want to miss anymore games this season. He's probably on the optimistic side of questionable, but with just a half-sack since returning from his pectoral injury, it would not be surprising if the Steelers took some caution with him.
Dec 9, 2022, 1:33 PM ET
 

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Nick Bosa (hamstring) "will play" in Week 14 against the Bucs.​

Bosa did not practice at all this week while nursing the hamstring issue, though his absences may have been something close to maintenance as he prepared to play the Bucs on Sunday and then the Seahawks a few days later on Thursday. With 14.5 sacks to his name this year, Bosa will wreak havoc against a banged-up Tampa Bay offensive line.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Dec 11, 2022, 8:49 AM ET
 
Got the top defense 3 weeks in a row: KC, CLE, KC

Would have had 4 if I didn’t chicken out with the commies vs Houston and had the number 4 defense the week before that.

Maybe I’m getting better at this. Or maybe just luckier…
 
It seems easy to say “use this defense, they play a really bad team” but does anyone have data or an article to show if bad defenses actually score more fantasy points against bad teams?
I don't recall seeing the data behind it, but the author of the subvertadown site has said choosing a defense is 2/3 opposing offense and 1/3 own defense (and has said that in 2022 everyone is having trouble projecting defenses, so maybe the ratio is off).
 
It seems easy to say “use this defense, they play a really bad team” but does anyone have data or an article to show if bad defenses actually score more fantasy points against bad teams?
I don't recall seeing the data behind it, but the author of the subvertadown site has said choosing a defense is 2/3 opposing offense and 1/3 own defense (and has said that in 2022 everyone is having trouble projecting defenses, so maybe the ratio is off).

His articles are interesting.

His accuracy was a lot better when he gave it away on Reddit. He has been tweaking his models and it has gotten worse lol. But I like his transparency.

Accuracy rankings are totally random. Year over year, guys who were Top 10 Top 20 one year are outside the Top 125 a year later. It’s always been that way.

(I’m referring to the couple hundred X Spurts at Fantasy Pros, which draws its roster from virtually every notable FF site)
 
Holding ARI for next week - @ DEN with with Brett Rylien likely starting

not sure who I’m starting tonight; have both, little confidence in either
 
Broncos DST just got better:

Week 15: home vs. a Colt McCoy led Cardinals
Week 16: @Rams

Got to punt them for week 17 against KC, if you make it that far, but it’s hard to beat those first two playoff matchups if you don’t want to hold multiple DSTs through the playoffs.
 
Broncos have been rostered all year but I currently have the Cardinals

don’t think I want to rely on anything associated with KK ros though & that bad D / great matchup thing doesn’t seem to always work

have the Pats, but back end of a two week road trip and a short week - seems like a bad idea but Raiders might spiral after a demoralizing loss

Jets are out there, Goff has been way less efficient on the road

Vikngs have the always generous Colts at home but their defense is putrid

:shrug:
 
Holding Bills and Packers for now -- have a bye this week, so don't need Packers vs Rams -- Probably play Bills @ Bears Week 16 -- maybe Packers vs Minny Week 17 -- wanna see who gets dropped this week -
 
I guess I shouldn't have dropped NE the week they played BUF. Their matchups suck the next 3 weeks but they still seem must start vs LV. Unfortunately someone grabbed them so not an option for me.

This week I'm rolling GB vs the Rams. I'm also keeping my eye on Carolina vs Trubisky and New Orleans vs Ridder.
 
Holding Bills and Packers for now -- have a bye this week, so don't need Packers vs Rams -- Probably play Bills @ Bears Week 16 -- maybe Packers vs Minny Week 17 -- wanna see who gets dropped this week -
Not worried about Justin Fields? It’s in Chicago. I could see the bears lingering around in that game.
 
Holding Bills and Packers for now -- have a bye this week, so don't need Packers vs Rams -- Probably play Bills @ Bears Week 16 -- maybe Packers vs Minny Week 17 -- wanna see who gets dropped this week -
Not worried about Justin Fields? It’s in Chicago. I could see the bears lingering around in that game.
Yeah, certainly am worried-- the Bills D fared way better than I thought vs the Jets tho -- Also, in my league, the Bears are #4 in points against D --and have given up double digit points to defenses since Week 8 --
 
FBG has Green Bay ranked number 1 this week. Hmmm. Not sure about that. I have both Kansas City (Houston) and New Orleans (Atlanta -Ridder first start) rostered.
 
FBG has Green Bay ranked number 1 this week. Hmmm. Not sure about that. I have both Kansas City (Houston) and New Orleans (Atlanta -Ridder first start) rostered.
The reason I like Green Bay is they are a run funnel defense but LA cannot run the ball on anyone. The Raiders only scored 6 points in my league but if it wasnt for that dumb penalty knocking the ball out of Mayfield's hand they wouldve scored 10 (which wouldve been their 2nd highest of the season). New Orleans vs a rookie QB seems solid BUT I expect the Falcons to run, run, run, run like they have all season so sack opportunities may be limited.
 
It seems easy to say “use this defense, they play a really bad team” but does anyone have data or an article to show if bad defenses actually score more fantasy points against bad teams?
I don't recall seeing the data behind it, but the author of the subvertadown site has said choosing a defense is 2/3 opposing offense and 1/3 own defense (and has said that in 2022 everyone is having trouble projecting defenses, so maybe the ratio is off).

His articles are interesting.

His accuracy was a lot better when he gave it away on Reddit. He has been tweaking his models and it has gotten worse lol. But I like his transparency.

Accuracy rankings are totally random. Year over year, guys who were Top 10 Top 20 one year are outside the Top 125 a year later. It’s always been that way.

(I’m referring to the couple hundred X Spurts at Fantasy Pros, which draws its roster from virtually every notable FF site)

I think he recently said the average top pick is getting 8 ppg.

I don't think the way they try to capture accuracy is the best way to capture what's really happening. And I've noticed some crazy outlier rankings later in the year that I think are attempts by individuals to make up ground in the rankings, like finding the right daily play.
 
Our league has a very aggressive pts structure for team defenses. A score can range anywhere from -10 to 40 based in part on pts and yds allowed.
I currently have Eagles and Broncos rostered and both have fairly good matchups:
Eagles vs Bears
Broncos vs Cards
Packers and Panthers are both available, but Packers have been equally as bad on defense as the Rams have been on offense lately. I can't see myself hitching my playoff hopes to the Panthers' wagon. I also love that the Broncos play Colt McCoy this week, and they get the Rams in week 16.

Do I stand pat or make a move to acquire one of these other defenses?
 
FBG has Green Bay ranked number 1 this week. Hmmm. Not sure about that. I have both Kansas City (Houston) and New Orleans (Atlanta -Ridder first start) rostered.
The reason I like Green Bay is they are a run funnel defense but LA cannot run the ball on anyone. The Raiders only scored 6 points in my league but if it wasnt for that dumb penalty knocking the ball out of Mayfield's hand they wouldve scored 10 (which wouldve been their 2nd highest of the season). New Orleans vs a rookie QB seems solid BUT I expect the Falcons to run, run, run, run like they have all season so sack opportunities may be limited.
Green Bay has been so bad on defense though and Mayfield looked okay last week. Carolina available as well. I may pick up GB or CAR just to block my opponent from getting them but hold KC and NO.
 
FBG has Green Bay ranked number 1 this week. Hmmm. Not sure about that. I have both Kansas City (Houston) and New Orleans (Atlanta -Ridder first start) rostered.
The reason I like Green Bay is they are a run funnel defense but LA cannot run the ball on anyone. The Raiders only scored 6 points in my league but if it wasnt for that dumb penalty knocking the ball out of Mayfield's hand they wouldve scored 10 (which wouldve been their 2nd highest of the season). New Orleans vs a rookie QB seems solid BUT I expect the Falcons to run, run, run, run like they have all season so sack opportunities may be limited.
Green Bay has been so bad on defense though and Mayfield looked okay last week. Carolina available as well. I may pick up GB or CAR just to block my opponent from getting them but hold KC and NO.
Im currently holding both GB and CAr and will decide late in the week which one to play based on injury reports making sure to drop the other one late enough so that my opponent doesnt play them.
 
With a bye this week, I'm hoarding KC (vs SEA and DEN), LAC (vs IND, LAR), NYG (vs MIN and IND), JAX (vs NYJ and HOU) and DEN (vs LAR and KC) for my final two games. Cut loose the Seahawks.

I'll need to cut one next week to roster a kicker in week 16, so if I don't use the Broncos looks like they'll be the castoff (late enough in the week to not clear waivers and be used against me of course).
 
FBG has Green Bay ranked number 1 this week. Hmmm. Not sure about that. I have both Kansas City (Houston) and New Orleans (Atlanta -Ridder first start) rostered.
The reason I like Green Bay is they are a run funnel defense but LA cannot run the ball on anyone. The Raiders only scored 6 points in my league but if it wasnt for that dumb penalty knocking the ball out of Mayfield's hand they wouldve scored 10 (which wouldve been their 2nd highest of the season). New Orleans vs a rookie QB seems solid BUT I expect the Falcons to run, run, run, run like they have all season so sack opportunities may be limited.
And how much worse than Mariota can Ridder be?
 
FBG has Green Bay ranked number 1 this week. Hmmm. Not sure about that. I have both Kansas City (Houston) and New Orleans (Atlanta -Ridder first start) rostered.
The reason I like Green Bay is they are a run funnel defense but LA cannot run the ball on anyone. The Raiders only scored 6 points in my league but if it wasnt for that dumb penalty knocking the ball out of Mayfield's hand they wouldve scored 10 (which wouldve been their 2nd highest of the season). New Orleans vs a rookie QB seems solid BUT I expect the Falcons to run, run, run, run like they have all season so sack opportunities may be limited.
And how much worse than Mariota can Ridder be?
Way worse. Mariota played well this year. Didn't turn over the ball much and led Atlanta to a way better record than expected.
 
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Detroit Lions
6-7
The rankings say Detroit still has one of the league's worst defenses, both in points and yards allowed. The eye test reveals the Lions have made enough improvement to be optimistic about this unit holding its own in the push for a playoff spot.

The Lions have held four opponents under 23 points in four of their last five wins. Yes, the Minnesota Vikings gave them some fits in Sunday's 34-23 triumph -- Kirk Cousins threw for 425 yards and Justin Jefferson amassed a Vikings-record 223 receiving yards -- but Detroit did shut down running back Dalvin Cook. That was enough in that contest, and it might be the key to whatever the Lions do defensively moving forward. This team doesn't need a defense that is on the same elite level as San Francisco, Philadelphia or Dallas. The Lions only need a unit that can generate enough stops to help a top-10 offense keep rolling.

I'm a little nervous starting Bam Knight this week bc the Lions are shutting down RBs of late. Saquon only managed 14-22-0 & 2-13, Dalvin Cook 15-22-1 & 1-13. They are now 24h (e.g., 9th fewest) in FF points allowed to RBs. Still wouldn't use them v NYJ bc they still have issues whenever either Jeff Okiudah or Jerry Jacobs are out, but from Weeks 8-12 they were the third most efficient pass defense (i'm sure that blew up with the day Cousins-Jefferson just had.)

Anyway, one to think about for Week 16 at Carolina and Week 17 at home versus the Bears. They are rolling as a team and the improved defense is the real story of their turnaround. Aidan Hutchinson and James Houston (4 sacks in the last 3 games) are getting after QBs and they are generating a decent amount of turnovers.
 
I think Saints are a top 10 start this week - especially if Lattimore plays and limits the passing to almost zero so they can load up on run

I picked up Saints (dropped Cardinals) bc they've been solid and I love the matchup. Will probably be a spot start only - also added the NYJ and think they're a good call for Week 16 (home v Jax on TNF.)

Holding a 3rd DST, hard to part with the Patriots. They're a big reason I led my league in DST points (245/17.55 / wk...Pats have 184 but I only used them 5 times.) I might start them in the Week 17 rematch with the Fins at home. If I advance....

19 DSTs rostered in our league so none of the layup matchups for the next 3 weeks are out there. But I've had pretty good success this year streaming.
 
Have Dallas and SF....any thoughts on this one? Never been a D guy or cared but lost by the slimmest of margins last week playing the Dallas D over SF so any input appreciated.
 
Have Dallas and SF....any thoughts on this one? Never been a D guy or cared but lost by the slimmest of margins last week playing the Dallas D over SF so any input appreciated.
That's a hell of a tandem. Goes without saying that you're going to whiff on the "right" selection frequently. Hopefully "whiffing" with a stud DST gives you a nice floor. Congrats on getting last week's miss out of the way...

It's far from a full-proof plan, but I have found myself going with a hybrid of fantasy footballers consensus and Paul Charchian this year. They both have SF over DAL this week, for whatever that's worth.
 
Speaking of Cowboys, anyone with lesser options than the 49ers pivoting off of the Eagles matchup in week 16?

I have added Lions (week 16 @ car). I'm thinking about making a difficult drop to secure the Titans (HOU matchup week 16), just for keep-away if nothing else.

I still think I'm going to have to ride Dallas' playmaking potential in week 16. They're always one play away from doing something that would offset allowing 34 points. However, if Eagles are putting up 35+, I probably have to give some thought to the pivot.
 
I'm looking ahead to Week 16 right now since my best D/ST is the Pats and I don't particularly like the matchup against CIN. Also have PIT rostered, and they only have an "OK" matchup against the Raiders.

Best options seem to be TEN (against HOU), but I'll need to wait until they clear waivers. DEN (@LAR) seems OK too.

Any thoughts?
 
Speaking of Cowboys, anyone with lesser options than the 49ers pivoting off of the Eagles matchup in week 16?

I have added Lions (week 16 @ car). I'm thinking about making a difficult drop to secure the Titans (HOU matchup week 16), just for keep-away if nothing else.

I still think I'm going to have to ride Dallas' playmaking potential in week 16. They're always one play away from doing something that would offset allowing 34 points. However, if Eagles are putting up 35+, I probably have to give some thought to the pivot.
I had Washington ready to go vs SF but it’s not looking so good anymore. Might just roll with Philly
 

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