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2025 College Football Thread: Coach previously left at airport sparking bidding war amongst states with lowest SAT scores (33 Viewers)

Any downstate fellas got a better read on the weekends weather?

When Chekhov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and dark and bereft of hope. Yet we know that winter is just another step in the cycle of life. But standing here among the people of Michigan and basking in the warmth of their hearths and hearts, I couldn't imagine a better fate than a long and lustrous winter.
Well lucky me. We're getting another almost 2ft in the lake superior region of the state.

Can confirm that though my hearth may be warm my heart is not with this forecast.
Yeah, you guys are getting pounded. And not in the good way. Luckily I live in the extreme southern band of this storm so only 2-4 for us. However, where I work is in the 6-12 band and its only 17 miles NE of me.

I have to work tomorrow. Boooooo.

Oh, and fu-osu
About 2ft for us in 2 separate bands, first is the storm and the second is the back of the front creating lake effect as the winds wrap around. Could be worse the west end and towards Superior WI are looking at over 3ft. Heading down near Menomonee for Thanksgiving where they're getting 1-3. Snowblower is gassed up and ready to go for when we get back.

Hell yeah to the bolded :hifive:
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Pitt is a good team. The way Miami has got worse as the season progresses, I would not be shocked if they beat Miami. I give it

It would be earth shattering if Stanford can beat ND and if so, they deserve to miss playoffs.

For what it is worth, Frank Reich says ND is the best team that they will play this season (Stanford did play Miami).
Coach says the team they are playing this week is the best team on their schedule? You going to tell me water is wet next?
 
I don't get this Miami talk. They have a near impossible path to get to the ACCCG game. Somehow despite being invisible this year Virginia is in the mix there.
 
I don't get this Miami talk. They have a near impossible path to get to the ACCCG game. Somehow despite being invisible this year Virginia is in the mix there.
If Miami beats Pittsburgh, wake forest beats Duke and VT beats UVa then Miami goes to Charlotte. VT winning is the longest shot there but definitely a possibility.
 
James Franklin already pulling 4 star recruits to VT. PSU RB commit changed to VT already. Let's go Hokies
I’m excited for VATech! I’m from Ohio and thus a Buckeye fan but I also like VATech and have for a long time. I’m about 10 years from retirement and the Blacksburg region is one of our target retirement areas, so I keep up with them. Gonna try and go to at least one game next year and experience Enter Sandman.
 
Looking like some weather for The Game, but maybe not game changing. Cold, flurries, not terribly windy, but a storm Saturday night of up to 5 inches. I wouldn't be mad if that storm hurried along and started about 11:30 tomorrow morning.
 
Miami is the brand ESPN wants. There's nothing left to get.

Do they really care? Does the nation really GAF about Miami? They haven't been really relevant for a couple decades. You would think Virginia as an interesting story would have at least as much appeal.
Talking heads at ESPN don't actually watch the teams/follow the stories, they just want to yell about known brands.
 
I went to ESPN.com to check game times today. The front page story is "Lane Kiffin's decision is coming on Saturday. He better win Friday."

Are we going to get a LeBron-like "The Decision" show?
 
Miami is the brand ESPN wants. There's nothing left to get.

Do they really care? Does the nation really GAF about Miami? They haven't been really relevant for a couple decades. You would think Virginia as an interesting story would have at least as much appeal.
Talking heads at ESPN don't actually watch the teams/follow the stories, they just want to yell about known brands.

I am questioning whether Miami is a known brand. Maybe for boomers.
 
Miami is the brand ESPN wants. There's nothing left to get.

Do they really care? Does the nation really GAF about Miami? They haven't been really relevant for a couple decades. You would think Virginia as an interesting story would have at least as much appeal.
Talking heads at ESPN don't actually watch the teams/follow the stories, they just want to yell about known brands.

I am questioning whether Miami is a known brand. Maybe for boomers.
I don't disagree. Would be far from the first time ESPN misunderstood what it's audience wants.
 
Miami is the brand ESPN wants. There's nothing left to get.

Do they really care? Does the nation really GAF about Miami? They haven't been really relevant for a couple decades. You would think Virginia as an interesting story would have at least as much appeal.
It seems that they do care. Where was Miami ranked the first week of the season? If high, then it could be like Texas. Pimp them so those rankings don't look as crappy as they were.
 
Why was that game at the Benz? Tech selling their own home games?
Previous AD sold it for $10M for NIL money. New AD says he isn't doing that with the big games moving forward. They are playing Tennessee at Bobby Dodd next year or the year after. They might play Louisville or someone like that at the Benz.
 
Someone tell Georgia’s band director that there are more than two songs available to play. They’re as bad as USC’s band
The audio mix on this game is atrocious, I could barely hear the announcers over the sound of the band
To be fair, I showed my son some highlights from the 90s earlier and we both said how much more fun it sounded to hear the band and the crowd vs only the booth. I do think that’s a missing element nowadays, but UGA needs some new material.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
 
Entering that last drive, Arch was 5-17 for 28 yards. Oof.

Such a weird game and both teams usually finish strong. A&M’s defense isn’t exactly stellar, so if I’m a Horn fan that stat line is certainly concerning again.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
Ok. There's a large section of people who choose emotion over objectivity when arguing the silly merits of CFB including ND dudes. That's a pretty water is wet statement. I dont really think this example proves or shows anything meaningful like you think it does though. Thanks for the clarification. No further questions.

By the way, I wasn't even alive (maybe a toddler) for that part of the BCS, but I know the process and its goals back then with picking two teams. Not in the same stratosphere as picking for the 12 team playoff. This is like comparing national league DH stats prior to and after the rule changes IMO.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
Don't lose to BC at home? :shrug:
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
Ok. There's a large section of people who choose emotion over objectivity when arguing the silly merits of CFB including ND dudes. That's a pretty water is wet statement. I dont really think this example proves or shows anything meaningful like you think it does though. Thanks for the clarification. No further questions.

By the way, I wasn't even alive (maybe a toddler) for that part of the BCS, but I know the process and its goals back then with picking two teams. Not in the same stratosphere as picking for the 12 team playoff. This is like comparing national league DH stats prior to and after the rule changes IMO.

Good for you being young. Take care of your knees. And your back. Assuming you haven't already messed them up like I did in my 20s.

As for "then vs now", the playoff system in place now or then has little to do with it the topic. In both cases, the discussion comes down to which of two specific teams who faced each other, should rank ahead of the other. Doesn't matter whether that final ranking awards a trophy or a playoff spot. It's the same exact discussion.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
Don't lose to BC at home? :shrug:

Don't lose to BC at home.
Don't lose to two unranked teams. :shrug:

Long as you're being consistent, we're all good. :)
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
Don't lose to BC at home? :shrug:

Don't lose to BC at home.
Don't lose to two unranked teams. :shrug:

Long as you're being consistent, we're all good. :)
Just one tiny point as I’m otherwise staying out of this one - BC was #17 when they upset ND in that game. So it was a ranked loss
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
Ok. There's a large section of people who choose emotion over objectivity when arguing the silly merits of CFB including ND dudes. That's a pretty water is wet statement. I dont really think this example proves or shows anything meaningful like you think it does though. Thanks for the clarification. No further questions.

By the way, I wasn't even alive (maybe a toddler) for that part of the BCS, but I know the process and its goals back then with picking two teams. Not in the same stratosphere as picking for the 12 team playoff. This is like comparing national league DH stats prior to and after the rule changes IMO.

Good for you being young. Take care of your knees. And your back. Assuming you haven't already messed them up like I did in my 20s.

As for "then vs now", the playoff system in place now or then has little to do with it the topic. In both cases, the discussion comes down to which of two specific teams who faced each other, should rank ahead of the other. Doesn't matter whether that final ranking awards a trophy or a playoff spot. It's the same exact discussion.
I mean I don't really have a dog in it...but you could definitely say the head to head matters, and that in some case, the losses are to such bad teams and there arent good wins etc that the head to head win is overcome.

It's not as black and white as same record, head to head win, definitely ahead no matter what.

I wasn't even alive during whatever ND season you're talking about lol


ETA: and you can just as easily say who you beat matters more than who you lose to before we even talk about losses. Like if Texas beats A&M, I'd put them in over ND and Miami regardless of record.
 
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I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
Don't lose to BC at home? :shrug:

Don't lose to BC at home.
Don't lose to two unranked teams. :shrug:

Long as you're being consistent, we're all good. :)
Just one tiny point as I’m otherwise staying out of this one - BC was #17 when they upset ND in that game. So it was a ranked loss

Right. Miami's two 2025 unranked losses are both a lot worse than ND's lone '93 ranked loss that the football world said was so bad that head to head isn't enough to overcome it.
 
Local reporters were all over Manning at the half. One quipped - “Who’s gonna have the guts to ask Sark how much more it takes to make a change? Or are the Mannings in charge of his team?” Ouch.

Right one cue, Arch almost missed a wide open Wingo, but Texas pulls ahead.
 
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I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
If it makes you feel better then yeah let's do that for 1993. I'll give you a hug too.

Can we retroactively apply this to 1990 when Colorado got a 5th down to beat Missouri and make GT the national champion and get rid of this shared nonsense?
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
Ok. There's a large section of people who choose emotion over objectivity when arguing the silly merits of CFB including ND dudes. That's a pretty water is wet statement. I dont really think this example proves or shows anything meaningful like you think it does though. Thanks for the clarification. No further questions.

By the way, I wasn't even alive (maybe a toddler) for that part of the BCS, but I know the process and its goals back then with picking two teams. Not in the same stratosphere as picking for the 12 team playoff. This is like comparing national league DH stats prior to and after the rule changes IMO.

Good for you being young. Take care of your knees. And your back. Assuming you haven't already messed them up like I did in my 20s.

As for "then vs now", the playoff system in place now or then has little to do with it the topic. In both cases, the discussion comes down to which of two specific teams who faced each other, should rank ahead of the other. Doesn't matter whether that final ranking awards a trophy or a playoff spot. It's the same exact discussion.
I mean I don't really have a dog in it...but you could definitely say the head to head matters, and that in some case, the losses are to such bad teams and there arent good wins etc that the head to head win is overcome.

It's not as black and white as same record, head to head win, definitely ahead no matter what.

I wasn't even alive during whatever ND season you're talking about lol


ETA: and you can just as easily say who you beat matters more than who you lose to before we even talk about losses. Like if Texas beats A&M, I'd put them in over ND and Miami regardless of record.
I would have no problem if Texas gets in if they win tonight. They shouldn't be penalized for having the balls to schedule Ohio State and have some serious wins on their resume.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
I don't remember or care about 1993. Head to head should matter in 2025. It should be about who you beat not who has the best losses. Miami over ND isn't even a question for me. Miami won the game on the field and both would be 10-2 assuming wins tomorrow. ND has one decent win (USC) which doesn't make up for that loss.

Great, so you'd apply that criteria equally if you did look at 1993 and would say ND was robbed of a national championship. 👍


Glad to have you on board GB.
If it makes you feel better then yeah let's do that for 1993. I'll give you a hug too.

Can we retroactively apply this to 1990 when Colorado got a 5th down to beat Missouri and make GT the national champion and get rid of this shared nonsense?

Thanks I can always use more hugs.

Shared titles suck, yeah.
 
I am so sick of them pretending Miami is in as ACC champ. I appreciate that the broadcast points it out but they are being so dumb about it. Just put ACC Champ there and admit to everyone you have Miami outside looking in.

The gap in terms of resume between Miami and ND continues to shrink each week to the point where there won't be a material difference between the two on paper. I think the difference in terms of strength of record is like 2 or 3. ND crushes in the eye test, but I think you are going to see more and more discussion about ND over Miami if both teams win next week. The two teams played - why do I need to look at a bunch of esoteric metrics to separate them (this is rhetorical please don't try to answer).
Don't care about either team, but just checking in on this...

Miami beat ND
Both teams have 2 losses
Their resumes aren't THAT different

But ND is a shoe-in and Miami effectively has little shot? Wha.......

Go Ducks

Glad to hear you two are going on the record that ND was robbed of the 1993 national championship. When voters said a ND head to head win over identical record FSU didn't make up for ND losing to the #12 team instead of FSU losing #2 ND.

Given how Miami this year has a pair of losses that are each over 20 ranking spots worse than ND's losses.

I mean it would take an ENORMOUS hypocrite to say Miami should make it in this year based on head to head, but ND didn't deserve the National Championship in 1993 based on head to head.
Wait. Are you comparing decisions made under the BCS era rules and circumstances to that of what might happen under the second year of a brand new system that has rules, circumstances and factors completely different (like night and day different) and then labeling people based on those situations that have no business being compared because of how different they are?

I have a couple follow up questions depending on answer.

I'm saying there is a large group of people who argue against ND regardless, whose "what beats what" changes as needed to argue against ND in whatever the current situation is. It happens year after year.

I'm giving these two credit that they aren't part of that group, and they'd use a consistent set of criteria.
Ok. There's a large section of people who choose emotion over objectivity when arguing the silly merits of CFB including ND dudes. That's a pretty water is wet statement. I dont really think this example proves or shows anything meaningful like you think it does though. Thanks for the clarification. No further questions.

By the way, I wasn't even alive (maybe a toddler) for that part of the BCS, but I know the process and its goals back then with picking two teams. Not in the same stratosphere as picking for the 12 team playoff. This is like comparing national league DH stats prior to and after the rule changes IMO.

Good for you being young. Take care of your knees. And your back. Assuming you haven't already messed them up like I did in my 20s.

As for "then vs now", the playoff system in place now or then has little to do with it the topic. In both cases, the discussion comes down to which of two specific teams who faced each other, should rank ahead of the other. Doesn't matter whether that final ranking awards a trophy or a playoff spot. It's the same exact discussion.
I mean I don't really have a dog in it...but you could definitely say the head to head matters, and that in some case, the losses are to such bad teams and there arent good wins etc that the head to head win is overcome.

It's not as black and white as same record, head to head win, definitely ahead no matter what.

I wasn't even alive during whatever ND season you're talking about lol


ETA: and you can just as easily say who you beat matters more than who you lose to before we even talk about losses. Like if Texas beats A&M, I'd put them in over ND and Miami regardless of record.
I would have no problem if Texas gets in if they win tonight. They shouldn't be penalized for having the balls to schedule Ohio State and have some serious wins on their resume.

What are the situations where a G5 don't make it? They have to be ranked?

Beating TAMU might knock them out of the sec title game making them have to get in over them which is probably not happening.
 

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