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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Rags retires before camp. (20 Viewers)

What was the circumstances of the Packers back then and what was their cap situation like?

EDIT TO ADD: White signed with the Packers in 1993, a year before the salary cap started.

Same with the Chiefs. I'm not sure what their cap situation was but they were desperate for a left tackle and offensive line help in general. The Lions are not desperate right now in my opinion.

The difference between all of those teams and this Lions team is that the Lions have 4-5 young core players all coming up for extensions in the next 2 years, including Hutchinson, who will break the $40 million mark. They just signed Joseph for $24 million per year and still have to deal with Branch, LaPorta, Gibbs, Campbell, and Jamo. That's a whole lotta money right there and we probably can't keep all of them right now so adding a huge salary would cost us 2 or 3 more. In the last 2 years we also just gave huge extensions to Goff, St. Brown, Sewell, McNeill, Decker, and Montgomery. And Ragnow and Anzalone might get extended as well.

I'm not against big moves if the situation calls for it but there is no way I'm spending a high pick or picks AND $30-35 million for an edge given the money we will need for the players mentioned above.

I also think this Lions roster is good enough right now to win a Super Bowl and contend for many years to come.
I hate to break it to the few of you, but the Lions are not going to be able to keep all these young players regardless.
THAT is a reason why I continue to say their window is small and possibly closing. We have already seen it put in motion.
If Brad is as good as you believe, losing those players shouldn't be a big deal. He will draft replacements, right?
So why not make the big move now while those players are NOT making the big money?

Instead, some of you want to wait in hope of being able to pay all these young players.
It isn't going to happen.
 
I assume you guys are getting a laugh out of me with these recent attempts at sarcasm?

"That creaking sound you are hearing rn is Detroit's SB window getting ready to slam shut"
"One should also conclude that Holmes must immediately stop drafting players and instead start trading all his picks away"
"Only way to build a team is to make a splash in FA. We have too many young talented studs who are still developing, I want some splash!"

First of all, not one of these is accurate.
I never said the window is slamming shut. I said I would argue it is closing.
I also never said trade ALL his picks away.
And finally, I have commended the way he has built this roster, but I do believe a big free agent signing (or trade) is what is needed to put this team over the top.

Why are those things so outrageous to the same handful of you? Seriously. We honestly can't have a difference of opinion any more?
Holmes is staying the course and hoping that the defense will remain healthier than it did last year. And the defense was very good last year till the wave of injuries.
I’m OK with this as he has to balance the budget so to speak to keep the Lions as a contender for future years.
The Lions benefited from drafting a bunch of very good players and only having to pay these players rookie contract prices. It’s similar to having to pay a very good rookie QB only rookie QB wages. Once that QB comes up for that second contract and a huge increase in salary the whole team is affected. The quality at the other positions becomes harder to maintain with less money to go around.
In the Lions case it’s not a QB but a number of all star caliber players who are due for second contracts. Keeping everybody happy is a job I wouldn’t like to have. Bringing in a top of the market FA strains the whole system financially and may conflict with team culture and loyalties.
That being said I am uneasy with the pass rush and relying on Davenport and whether McNeil is sufficiently recovered. The Lions do need to kick the tires on FAs to see if they are a cultural and financial fit. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
But I am In favor of whatever strategy that keeps the Lions as ongoing contenders like the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs, 49ers and Rams. It will be interesting to see how the Niners do after having to pay Purdy off of a top QB contract as opposed to a very cheap rookie one.
The Niners are a good example of how going all-in does not necessarily equate to a championship. It will be interesting to see what happens to that team now that they are paying their QB (along with other top dollar non-primary positions TE/RB/LB…and injured WR Aiyuk).
In the past five Super Bowls:
Tampa didn't win until they signed Brady
The Rams didn't win until they traded for Stafford
The Eagles didn't win until they signed Saquon

The Lions have not made one trade or free agent signing of that scale.
And do not say Reed. That was a direct replacement for Davis.

There are also examples of teams that drafted, developed and resigned their own and have not won a Super Bowl.
Realistically, most of the NFL can be grouped in that category including the Bengals, Bills, Ravens and the Lions.

I understand, there is no right or wrong answer. But some of you appear ok with cherry picking examples that fit your narrative.

The truth is Brad has done a great job of BUILDING this team to be good over the next 2-5 years.
There are some of you who seem content with placing a very good football team on the field over that timeframe.
I (and many others) don't think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl and I thought that was the goal.

Hope you all have a great Memorial Weekend. I'm going to make a better effort of keeping my thoughts in.
It's not worth getting frustrated over. Life is too short. Take care.
How about trading for Carlton Davis to fill a position of significant need?

A third round pick for a rental isn't really a big move.

That would be like claiming the Eagles made a big move for D'Andre Swift a couple of years ago.
He went out and got an elite player where they needed it. And I think the plan was to keep him longer if a better value didn't present itself.

Would it have been a bigger move if he had sent over more draft capital or overpaid him to resign with the team?
Who was this elite player we got? Davis? He was very good. It was a very good trade. But elite?
 
Really never heard Ben Johnson talk when he was with the Lions.

The more I watch and listen to him he sounds dooshy. I am probably a little ticked off that he went in division but he sounds corny.
I said this after his first press conference with Chicago. He may be a genius, but I don't think that personality will be missed.
He really does seem to have the "smartest man in the room" mentality.
 
A third round pick for a rental isn't really a big move.

That would be like claiming the Eagles made a big move for D'Andre Swift a couple of years ago.
What Super Bowl winning team acquired a player making $30 million either via trade or free agency? I'm not saying there aren't any but I can't think of any.

Aj Brown, Matt Stafford
I count QBs separately because of the position they play and I stated earlier today that I would have made a move for Stafford and Brady because those were veteran teams that were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. Those were great moves for those 2 teams given their circumstances.

I'll give you AJ Brown but the Eagles didn't have a bunch of young core players coming up for contract extensions at the time and Hurts was on his rookie contract. The Eagles had all kinds of cap room and Brown was only 24 years old. If I'm the Eagles I make that trade all day long.

See, I'm not against a big move if the circumstances dictate it. I just don't think this is the time for the Lions to make a move and I explained all of my reasoning a few posts prior.
Now you're moving the goal posts.

You can't say those were good moves because the teams were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl and then disagree with me when I say the Lions are one Edge rusher away. That is hypocritical. And, yeah, I happen to think elite edge rushers are almost as valuable as QB's.
QBs are in their own category because of the importance of that position compared to every other position. No other position comes close in my opinion. The Rams and Bucs were complete teams that had to acquire a QB. They had good but not elite defenses.

As for edge rushers, if we didn't have Hutchinson I would agree completely that we had to get an edge at any cost. But you do not need two elite edge rushers to win a Super Bowl. In fact I can't think of any team that had 2 elite edge rushers that won a Super Bowl. I might feel a little different if we had an average or above average offense but we have one of the best and arguably the best offense in the NFL. We had a top 10 defense even after Hutchinson got hurt and we're still the favorite to win the Super Bowl. It only fell apart when McNeill and Davis got hurt.
 
A third round pick for a rental isn't really a big move.

That would be like claiming the Eagles made a big move for D'Andre Swift a couple of years ago.
What Super Bowl winning team acquired a player making $30 million either via trade or free agency? I'm not saying there aren't any but I can't think of any.

Aj Brown, Matt Stafford
I count QBs separately because of the position they play and I stated earlier today that I would have made a move for Stafford and Brady because those were veteran teams that were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. Those were great moves for those 2 teams given their circumstances.

I'll give you AJ Brown but the Eagles didn't have a bunch of young core players coming up for contract extensions at the time and Hurts was on his rookie contract. The Eagles had all kinds of cap room and Brown was only 24 years old. If I'm the Eagles I make that trade all day long.

See, I'm not against a big move if the circumstances dictate it. I just don't think this is the time for the Lions to make a move and I explained all of my reasoning a few posts prior.
Now you're moving the goal posts.

You can't say those were good moves because the teams were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl and then disagree with me when I say the Lions are one Edge rusher away. That is hypocritical. And, yeah, I happen to think elite edge rushers are almost as valuable as QB's.
QBs are in their own category because of the importance of that position compared to every other position. No other position comes close in my opinion. The Rams and Bucs were complete teams that had to acquire a QB. They had good but not elite defenses.

As for edge rushers, if we didn't have Hutchinson I would agree completely that we had to get an edge at any cost. But you do not need two elite edge rushers to win a Super Bowl. In fact I can't think of any team that had 2 elite edge rushers that won a Super Bowl. I might feel a little different if we had an average or above average offense but we have one of the best and arguably the best offense in the NFL. We had a top 10 defense even after Hutchinson got hurt and we're still the favorite to win the Super Bowl. It only fell apart when McNeill and Davis got hurt.
There is no rule against having two elite edge rushers.
 
If Brad is as good as you believe, losing those players shouldn't be a big deal. He will draft replacements, right?
Losing Pro Bowl caliber players and elite playmakers is always a big deal no matter how great you draft. You won't hit on every draft pick.
 
A third round pick for a rental isn't really a big move.

That would be like claiming the Eagles made a big move for D'Andre Swift a couple of years ago.
What Super Bowl winning team acquired a player making $30 million either via trade or free agency? I'm not saying there aren't any but I can't think of any.

Aj Brown, Matt Stafford
I count QBs separately because of the position they play and I stated earlier today that I would have made a move for Stafford and Brady because those were veteran teams that were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. Those were great moves for those 2 teams given their circumstances.

I'll give you AJ Brown but the Eagles didn't have a bunch of young core players coming up for contract extensions at the time and Hurts was on his rookie contract. The Eagles had all kinds of cap room and Brown was only 24 years old. If I'm the Eagles I make that trade all day long.

See, I'm not against a big move if the circumstances dictate it. I just don't think this is the time for the Lions to make a move and I explained all of my reasoning a few posts prior.
Now you're moving the goal posts.

You can't say those were good moves because the teams were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl and then disagree with me when I say the Lions are one Edge rusher away. That is hypocritical. And, yeah, I happen to think elite edge rushers are almost as valuable as QB's.
QBs are in their own category because of the importance of that position compared to every other position. No other position comes close in my opinion. The Rams and Bucs were complete teams that had to acquire a QB. They had good but not elite defenses.

As for edge rushers, if we didn't have Hutchinson I would agree completely that we had to get an edge at any cost. But you do not need two elite edge rushers to win a Super Bowl. In fact I can't think of any team that had 2 elite edge rushers that won a Super Bowl. I might feel a little different if we had an average or above average offense but we have one of the best and arguably the best offense in the NFL. We had a top 10 defense even after Hutchinson got hurt and we're still the favorite to win the Super Bowl. It only fell apart when McNeill and Davis got hurt.
There is no rule against having two elite edge rushers.
I agree 100% but you can win a Super bowl with one, especially when the rest of the defense is really good and the offense is elite.
 

Lions will lean on veteran Maddox as backup safety, plan to let five youngsters battle for fourth spot


Allen Park — The Detroit Lions arguably have the best safety tandem in the NFL. However, following the departure of Ifeatu Melifonwu this offseason, the team has lingering questions behind starters Kerby Joseph and Brian Branch.

Last week, position coach Jim O'Neil confirmed plans to use veteran free agent addition — and Detroit native — Avonte Maddox to partially bridge that gap.

"Avonte will be an inside player, similar to what he's done his whole career, as far as a nickel/safety body," O'Neil said. "That's what he's done at Philly for the years (he was there)."

A fourth-round draft pick out of Pitt in 2018, Maddox has spent his entire career with the Eagles. As a rookie, he primarily played free safety before moving into the team's nickel role, where he's logged the majority of his snaps since 2019. The notable exceptions are when he shifted outside for the 2020 season and briefly returned to safety for the team's Wild Card playoff game at the end of the 2023 campaign.

Beyond the veteran, the Lions intend to carry a fourth safety on the roster, according to O’Neil. Five young players will vie for that job.

That group includes a trio who were with the team last season.

Undrafted out of Ball State in 2024, Loren Strickland was a surprise addition to the team's initial 53-man roster out of training camp. He ended up appearing in seven games, with all of his 78 snaps coming on special teams.

"He kind of came onto the scene late in training camp, made some plays in the preseason," O'Neil said. "(He) kind of was bounced back and forth on the roster, up on special teams, down (to the practice squad). Didn't get much playing time on defense.

"He's one of those five that are fighting for a spot," O'Neil continued. "We've got five guys fighting for their NFL lives. It's going to be highly competitive. He's one of those guys. I'm just looking to see where his jump goes (in) Year 2, because usually, as a football player, that's your biggest jump, is going from Year 1 to Year 2."

Also looking to make that second-year jump is another undrafted rookie from a year ago, Morice Norris. The progress he had been making through his inaugural training camp was derailed by an injury, which led to his release. Nonetheless, he was brought back later in the year, briefly appearing in the regular season finale before he was pressed into 21 defensive snaps during the team's playoff loss to Washington.

The third returning safety is Erick Hallett, a sixth-round pick for the Jaguars, who spent almost all of last season on Detroit's practice squad.

Those players will be joined by newcomers Dan Jackson and Ian Kennelly.

Jackson, a seven-round draft pick out of Georgia, was a former walk-on who worked his way into a starting job on the Bulldogs' star-studded defense.

"I did a full (pre-draft) evaluation on him," O'Neil said. "Did a Zoom interview with him. I met with him down at the combine in Indy. It's a great story. It is. He's a smart kid. We talk about grit around here, there's probably not a player that's kind of gone through more of that in his college career than this guy.

"I mean, he stays at Georgia through six years, earns the right to start on that defense, plays really good for them around a bunch of guys (and) first-round picks," O'Neil continued. "I'm excited. He was kind of the alpha in the back seven, that did most of the communication. Very, very football smart. (We've) got to make sure he's not thinking too much, because, again, we've thrown a lot at him, and we've done that on purpose to kind of force some of these guys to sink or swim. But I've liked what he's shown out there so far in the week that we've had him."

The dark horse is Kennelly. At 6-foot-2, 209 pounds, he offers a prototypical build paired with impressive athleticism. The Utica Eisenhower and Grand Valley State product posted high-end results with his speed, agility and leaping ability at his pro day. He then wowed the Lions when he visited the team ahead of the draft.

"I didn't know anything about the kid, at all," O'Neil admitted. "He came to local day, and he crushed it. Not just the DB coaches observed it, (but) (special teams coordinator Dave) Fipp ended up gravitating over, (coach) Dan (Campbell) ended up gravitating over. It's like, 'Who is this kid?'

"Then we went back and we watched some of the tape, and some of the stuff we saw at the local day was showing up: Physical, could run, could obviously track the ball," O'Neil said. "We've been impressed with him. He's in a little bit of a blender right now, mentally, because of how much defense we've thrown at him and what he's used to at Grand Valley. But when we're in the position drills, you can see the athletic ability. You can see him track a ball. He's a great developmental player right now that I'm hoping develops into a damn good player for us."



Related: Dan Jackson film review/scouting report is will post early next week.
 
A third round pick for a rental isn't really a big move.

That would be like claiming the Eagles made a big move for D'Andre Swift a couple of years ago.
What Super Bowl winning team acquired a player making $30 million either via trade or free agency? I'm not saying there aren't any but I can't think of any.

Aj Brown, Matt Stafford
I count QBs separately because of the position they play and I stated earlier today that I would have made a move for Stafford and Brady because those were veteran teams that were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. Those were great moves for those 2 teams given their circumstances.

I'll give you AJ Brown but the Eagles didn't have a bunch of young core players coming up for contract extensions at the time and Hurts was on his rookie contract. The Eagles had all kinds of cap room and Brown was only 24 years old. If I'm the Eagles I make that trade all day long.

See, I'm not against a big move if the circumstances dictate it. I just don't think this is the time for the Lions to make a move and I explained all of my reasoning a few posts prior.
Now you're moving the goal posts.

You can't say those were good moves because the teams were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl and then disagree with me when I say the Lions are one Edge rusher away. That is hypocritical. And, yeah, I happen to think elite edge rushers are almost as valuable as QB's.
QBs are in their own category because of the importance of that position compared to every other position. No other position comes close in my opinion. The Rams and Bucs were complete teams that had to acquire a QB. They had good but not elite defenses.

As for edge rushers, if we didn't have Hutchinson I would agree completely that we had to get an edge at any cost. But you do not need two elite edge rushers to win a Super Bowl. In fact I can't think of any team that had 2 elite edge rushers that won a Super Bowl. I might feel a little different if we had an average or above average offense but we have one of the best and arguably the best offense in the NFL. We had a top 10 defense even after Hutchinson got hurt and we're still the favorite to win the Super Bowl. It only fell apart when McNeill and Davis got hurt.
There is no rule against having two elite edge rushers.
I agree 100% but you can win a Super bowl with one, especially when the rest of the defense is really good and the offense is elite.
Let me ask you this. In a vacuum (all players healthy), do the Lions have a better chance to win the Super Bowl this year with Trey opposite Hutch?
If the answer is yes, then you are not doing everything in your power to win a Super Bowl.

Now, maybe they have tried to get Trey. Nobody knows. My point is I, and many others, want them to take the next step.
Because, despite what you say, this defense does have a glaring weakness and it's an edge rusher on the other side.
It will be exposed with the likes of Hurts and Daniels. And that's IF Hutch is anywhere close to 100%.

At this point it doesn't matter. The team is what it is minus resigning Smith. Obviously I hope they win it all.
If they do, I will be the first one to say congrats to Brad.

Take care and have a good long weekend.
 
A third round pick for a rental isn't really a big move.

That would be like claiming the Eagles made a big move for D'Andre Swift a couple of years ago.
What Super Bowl winning team acquired a player making $30 million either via trade or free agency? I'm not saying there aren't any but I can't think of any.

Aj Brown, Matt Stafford
I count QBs separately because of the position they play and I stated earlier today that I would have made a move for Stafford and Brady because those were veteran teams that were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. Those were great moves for those 2 teams given their circumstances.

I'll give you AJ Brown but the Eagles didn't have a bunch of young core players coming up for contract extensions at the time and Hurts was on his rookie contract. The Eagles had all kinds of cap room and Brown was only 24 years old. If I'm the Eagles I make that trade all day long.

See, I'm not against a big move if the circumstances dictate it. I just don't think this is the time for the Lions to make a move and I explained all of my reasoning a few posts prior.
Now you're moving the goal posts.

You can't say those were good moves because the teams were a QB away from winning a Super Bowl and then disagree with me when I say the Lions are one Edge rusher away. That is hypocritical. And, yeah, I happen to think elite edge rushers are almost as valuable as QB's.
QBs are in their own category because of the importance of that position compared to every other position. No other position comes close in my opinion. The Rams and Bucs were complete teams that had to acquire a QB. They had good but not elite defenses.

As for edge rushers, if we didn't have Hutchinson I would agree completely that we had to get an edge at any cost. But you do not need two elite edge rushers to win a Super Bowl. In fact I can't think of any team that had 2 elite edge rushers that won a Super Bowl. I might feel a little different if we had an average or above average offense but we have one of the best and arguably the best offense in the NFL. We had a top 10 defense even after Hutchinson got hurt and we're still the favorite to win the Super Bowl. It only fell apart when McNeill and Davis got hurt.
There is no rule against having two elite edge rushers.
I agree 100% but you can win a Super bowl with one, especially when the rest of the defense is really good and the offense is elite.
Let me ask you this. In a vacuum (all players healthy), do the Lions have a better chance to win the Super Bowl this year with Trey opposite Hutch?
If the answer is yes, then you are not doing everything in your power to win a Super Bowl.

Now, maybe they have tried to get Trey. Nobody knows. My point is I, and many others, want them to take the next step.
Because, despite what you say, this defense does have a glaring weakness and it's an edge rusher on the other side.
It will be exposed with the likes of Hurts and Daniels. And that's IF Hutch is anywhere close to 100%.

At this point it doesn't matter. The team is what it is minus resigning Smith. Obviously I hope they win it all.
If they do, I will be the first one to say congrats to Brad.

Take care and have a good long weekend.
Adding any great player at any position makes you better but at what risk? It's not like one player puts us over the top, especially in May. We don't know yet. And you are risking losing 2 more young players on top of the 1 or 2 we might lose already. Also, with QBs like Hurts and Daniels it's more important to set the edge and contain them in the pocket rather than rushing and leaving them a lane.
 
Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Just like the fans and media that follow them, the "experts" are often wrong.
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Same with Brian Branch and his 4.58 40, when you could clearly see on tape that he played much faster than that.
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Same with Brian Branch and his 4.58 40, when you could clearly see on tape that he played much faster than that.

definitely thought he was a top 15 pick in that class

craziest thing was the Packers needed a S that year & swapped picks with us

:lmao:
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Same with Brian Branch and his 4.58 40, when you could clearly see on tape that he played much faster than that.

definitely thought he was a top 15 pick in that class

craziest thing was the Packers needed a S that year & swapped picks with us

:lmao:
On the video Holmes eyes lit up when he was told that Branch was still available in the second round. Lions had a first round grade on him.
 
Lions Wire reporting that Lions will lead the NFL in rest advantage this year. Will play 8 games where they will have more rest than the other team. Will only play one game (Cleveland) where their opponent will be more rested.
With as tough as our schedule is we can use the extra rest to our advantage.
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Same with Brian Branch and his 4.58 40, when you could clearly see on tape that he played much faster than that.

definitely thought he was a top 15 pick in that class

craziest thing was the Packers needed a S that year & swapped picks with us

:lmao:
Which produced this gem of commentary Funny
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Same with Brian Branch and his 4.58 40, when you could clearly see on tape that he played much faster than that.

definitely thought he was a top 15 pick in that class

craziest thing was the Packers needed a S that year & swapped picks with us

:lmao:
Which produced this gem of commentary Funny
An absolute classic. :lol:
 
  1. Player media appearances today:
:excited::excited::excited:

Most important thing Hutchinson said, twice, he's FULLY CLEARED
Pretty much confirms that it was a clean break of both bones with no ligament or nerve damage. And we all know how hard Hutch will work to get back to his former self and as he said, and beyond.

Again, thank you Jacksonville for not drafting the best player in the draft. :thumbup:

The arguments were:
  1. T-Rex arms
  2. already at his ceiling, limited upside
Similar narrative with ARSB the year before; meh 40 time, and his production in 2020 dropped off when they lined him up more outside. Just another slot guy…
Same with Brian Branch and his 4.58 40, when you could clearly see on tape that he played much faster than that.

definitely thought he was a top 15 pick in that class

craziest thing was the Packers needed a S that year & swapped picks with us

:lmao:
Which produced this gem of commentary Funny
An absolute classic. :lol:

yeah that was great shtick

Grossi is a good guy, I'm happy how that blew up for him

ended up winning NFL Fan of the Year and got to announce a pick at this year's draft

imagine a world in which you take all the decades of pain the Lions inflicted upon you and turned it into viable career as a content creator

respect
 

'Fully cleared': Lions' Hutchinson gains valuable perspective from injury, ready to prove he hasn't hit his ceiling


Allen Park — Aidan Hutchinson has spent a lot of time in hospitals, but rarely as a patient, and never requiring an overnight stay.

At least until last October.

In the Detroit Lions' Week 6 game against the Cowboys in Dallas, Hutchinson did what he does best, getting by the offensive tackle to wrap up and bring down quarterback Dak Prescott. But in that process, Hutchinson's left leg whipped around, catching teammate Alim McNeill with such force that it snapped Hutchinson's tibia and fibula.

Carted off the field, Hutchinson required immediate surgery to stabilize the injury before he could fly home.

"I've never stayed in a hospital in my life," Hutchinson said. "Staying in a hospital for a couple days in Dallas, it was one of the most miserable experiences I've probably had in my life."

There's no downplaying the pain of breaking a bone, the grueling grind of rehab, and the lingering mental anguish of missed opportunity. Hutchinson was in the early stages of an MVP-caliber season for a team that was primed to make a Super Bowl run. All of that was gone in an instant.

The Lions somehow stayed afloat without him, going on to win 15 games, but they ran out of gas at the finish line, going one-and-done in the postseason. Hutchinson rode the emotions of those highs and lows with an unavoidable feeling of detachment.

"For a while I feel like I was just numb to things, because I had this vision of how the season was going to go, and it was going that way, and then, boom, that's over," Hutchinson said. "And I feel like for a while you get in that victim mode for a bit."

"…In those moments, you try to look at all the silver linings that you can in order to make it make sense a little bit," Hutchinson said. "And still, at the end of the day, you question, 'Why?' And that's why you dive into the faith. And that's kind of what I did. It was a very challenging time for a few months. You know, you want to be a part of the winning that was going on. As much as I was a part of the team, when you're not really there, you don't really feel that you're a part of it."

Regardless, whatever self-pity might have remained was eroded away by perspective cultivated through experience.

While still at the University of Michigan, Hutchinson found a philanthropic calling through the school's Mott Children's Hospital. And along with his family, they've built a foundation around spending time with and inspiring kids who are dealing with life-threatening ailments.

How can you complain about a broken leg after spending so much time around children battling cancer?

"I was like, 'Dude, these kids who are in there for 30 days at a time, getting their treatments, and the parents that are in there with them,'" Hutchinson said. "I feel like that perspective, it makes me just understand more. And I didn't really before. I just got a little taste of it. …I feel like, again, that relatability was just at an all-time high."

Seven months after his injury, Hutchinson has fully rounded the corner on his recovery. Although it remains unclear whether he'll have any restrictions as Detroit's offseason program progresses, he plainly stated he's "fully cleared."

"It was really just a steady, gradual climb," Hutchinson said. "I always knew I was going to be back. I was never that concerned because it was just a couple of bones. Obviously, I got a little impatient with it sometimes, but I always knew that the end was near.

"...I feel like it's those trials and tribulations that really kind of mature you as a person, as a player," Hutchinson said. "It was a tough rehab, and I feel like now that I'm on the other side of it. Looking back, you're kind of grateful for those experiences because it formed you into the person you are today."

If it were up to him, Hutchinson would hit fast forward to September. He can't wait for the season opener against Green Bay. But there's a lot of work to do between now and then — OTA practices and training camp — and he's content appreciating each of those steps.

"If we could flash-forward, I'd love it, but I think there's a beauty in the process that you can't really get in those games," Hutchinson said. "When you figure out a certain pass-rush move, when you figure out a certain step, there's a different kind of joy from that compared to winning a football game."

Of course, once the ball is kicked off at Lambeau Field on Sept 7th, he's eager to prove his injury was a hiccup in his steady ascension.

"I think a lot of people believe that (last year) is my ceiling, but I still believe that I'm going to push for those greater heights," he said. "I'm 24. I'm still a young dude. And I think I have a lot of — I don't think that's the peak."
 
With training camp more than a month away, this is a good time to do a very early analysis of the Lions roster. We know things will change but who cares. Let's do it anyways.

Every few days I'm going to analyze a position group. I'm going to give a brief opinion of the key players, Then I will offer my opinion on how many the Lions will keep, who the locks are (starters and backups), bubble players that could earn a roster spot, and those on the outside looking in. Bubble players are dependant on how many the Lions keep at each position.

Knowing how passionate Lions fans are, we should have plenty of discussion and I also welcome thoughts from fans of other teams.

It should be a lot of fun.
 
I'm going to do QB today but there are a people that will be traveling this weekend so I doubt I will do another position until after the holiday so please be patient.

Let's do it!
 
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With training camp more than a month away, this is a good time to do a very early analysis of the Lions roster. We know things will change but who cares. Let's do it anyways.

Every few days I'm going to analyze a position group. I'm going to give a brief opinion of the key players, Then I will offer my opinion on how many the Lions will keep, who the locks are (starters and backups), bubble players that could earn a roster spot, and those on the outside looking in. Bubble players are dependant on how many the Lions keep at each position.

Knowing how passionate Lions fans are, we should have plenty of discussion and I also welcome thoughts from fans of other teams.

It should be a lot of fun.

Lions roster analysis, part 1:

Quarterbacks:

On 90 man roster:

Jared Goff
Hendon Hooker
Kyle Allen

Goff is coming off a season that saw him finish 5th in the MVP voting, but also one that saw him play a terrible game in the playoffs. He did not play well and I thought he forced several bad throws in that game and that was something he did not do in the regular season. But he played very well in the 2023 playoffs so I'm not all that concerned.

Losing Ben Johnson could hurt some, especially early in the season, but this team has a great offensive line, several elite skill players, and are not going to make significant changes to the offense. Goff has played at a very high level for 3 years running and should continue to thrive.

Hooker is in the spotlight this year as he should be. He hasn't shown much but really hasn't had an opportunity to do so. This is his 3rd year but only his second with a full off-season. I expect him to see significant playing time in preseason and having the 4th preseason game helps him more than any other player on the roster. The Lions need to know if Hooker can step in if Goff misses any time. He has a lot to prove and I'm not sold on him just yet.

Allen is a journeyman who was brought in to compete with Hooker and also make it known that the backup job will not be handed to him. Allen is more of a 3rd stringer to me and I don't believe he's a serious candidate for the backup job unless Hooker is really bad. If that's the case the Lions may look elsewhere for a backup QB.

Outlook: Goff is not a superstar but he has established himself as one of the better QBs in the NFL. The only real question is whether Hooker can step in for a few games if Goff got hurt. He simply hasn't played enough to know. But I don't think it's a major one because Goff has been very durable.

My prediction: The Lions keep 2 QBs.

Locks: Goff (starter), Hooker (backup).
Bubble: None.
Outside looking in: Allen.

Overall grade: A-
 
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Anyone else see the fake news viral report that Campbell and Elon Musk are feuding? My brother sent it to me yesterday. It was hard to read the article on the spammy, popup-ridden sight that was hosting it, but it had something to do with the Ford family and Campbell saying none of his players would be driving Teslas (not even TeSlaa?)

Not going to bother linking to it, but it is kind of funny that smart people (including my brother) think it's real. I actually have no idea what Campbell's politics are, but the idea that he (or any other NFL HC) is going to get into a high-profile political fight defies belief. NFL coaches hate distractions, so it's not like they're going to go out of their way to create one
 

Pushing his developmental pace with offseason approach, Lions looking for Manu to take consistency up a notch


Allen Park — In professional sports, it's easy to become enamored with potential. But at some point, typically sooner rather than later, potential needs to transform into production.

With Detroit Lions offensive tackle Giovanni Manu, we remain within the grace period. The Tongan native, who came to the NFL directly from the Canadian college football ranks, was drafted as a project and remains in the heart of his early development. However, the effort he's putting into accelerating that process only adds to the excitement of what he can eventually become.

"If you watched the film of Gio in OTAs (as a rookie) and you watched the film of Gio in practice (at the end of the season), I mean, it literally was night and day," general manager Brad Holmes said earlier this year. "That's credit to (offensive line coach) Hank (Fraley) and (assistant offensive line coach) Steve Oliver and all those guys just working with him. And credit to him, because he was conscientious of making sure that he improved."

In the months between the end of the 2024 season and the start of this year's OTAs, Manu has continued to put in the work. He's set up shop in Arizona, working with one of the premier offensive line trainers in the country, former NFL center LeCharles Bentley.

If the name sounds familiar, that's because Bentley's been working with college and NFL linemen for years, including Detroit's Taylor Decker, who has spent every offseason with Bentley since coming into the league in 2016.

"With LeCharles, there are a lot of (trainers) out there who do a really good job with these guys, and I know what kind of shape Decker is in," Fraley said. "We have a bunch of guys that go to LeCharles that are on our roster here. I know this, Decker always comes in ready to play, in shape, and ready to go. I know LeCharles a little bit. We played in the same era a little bit there, so I like what LeCharles is about and how he gets the guys ready to play."

The seriousness with which Manu has approached the offseason also hasn't been lost on his teammates.

"It's always good to see," Penei Sewell said. "Obviously, social media is a thing, so everyone can kind of see what he's got going on over there in Arizona. And it's always good to work with a teammate. So he's out there with Big Dog (Decker), just holding his own.

"He's just coming back, trying to build upon what he was kinda doing before the season's end," Sewell continued. "He was doing some great things, so just building upon that technically. Right now, I think the mental aspect is where he's got to grow."

The public won't have a grasp on Manu's improvements for a couple more months. There's only so much that can be learned during the early offseason practices. It's not until the pads come on during training camp and the preseason that you can properly assess a lineman's performance.

Curiosity will remain high until then.

"The one thing he does have (is) a physical presence about him, and he can exert his physicality on the field," Fraley said. "That's what I think you got to see later in the year (on the practice field). Now, it's can he take that next step?

"It's a huge step," Fraley continued. "It's no longer, 'Hey, we're trying to get all your base and balance right.' There was a lot we changed with him. I told him when we drafted him, there was going to be a lot that I was going to change how he did things. But it's the same way (with rookies) every year. You're coached four or five years once way, you're coming to a new coach that might want you to do this, tweak that foot there, turn your toe out, place your hands here, all that. All these little things he's heard me a whole year saying it, and it's can I take this, and now, without thinking of all these little things that come into play, can I keep playing fast? I think that's what we're going to see."

Manu's potential is rooted in his rare size and athleticism. Prior to being drafted by the Lions, he measured in at 6-foot-7, 352 pounds. He's taller than Sewell, 40 pounds heavier than Decker was entering the league, and Manu has longer arms than both of Detroit's starting offensive tackles.

On top of that, Manu has similar athletic traits to Sewell, who is considered one of the elite athletes at the position. Manu came into the league faster and more explosive, but not as strong or agile as Detroit's right tackle.

How Detroit deploys Manu this offseason is also intriguing. At the league meetings in early April, coach Dan Campbell talked about potentially working the young lineman more into the guard rotation. Three weeks later, the team drafted a pair of interior linemen, Tate Ratledge and Miles Frazier. That should allow Manu to continue concentrating on playing tackle.

Recently asked if that was the plan, Fraley declined to put his project in a box.

"He's a football player," Fraley said.

Obviously, when you're a backup, versatility is an asset. Wherever Manu lines up, Fraley is only looking for one thing.

"The biggest thing for o-line, you don't have to be the most talented, you don't have to be the strongest, you don't have to be the fastest, you have to be the most consistent," Fraley said. "If you're consistent, you'll play."
 
Manu's potential is rooted in his rare size and athleticism. Prior to being drafted by the Lions, he measured in at 6-foot-7, 352 pounds. He's taller than Sewell, 40 pounds heavier than Decker was entering the league, and Manu has longer arms than both of Detroit's starting offensive tackles.

On top of that, Manu has similar athletic traits to Sewell, who is considered one of the elite athletes at the position. Manu came into the league faster and more explosive, but not as strong or agile as Detroit's right tackle.
Of all the projects Holmes drafted, Manu was the one I really liked, because of the above and the position he plays. You can't teach that size and those physical gifts. Because of the low level of competition he played, Manu has the longest way to go. It was huge that the Lions kept Hank Fraley on staff.
 
Manu's potential is rooted in his rare size and athleticism. Prior to being drafted by the Lions, he measured in at 6-foot-7, 352 pounds. He's taller than Sewell, 40 pounds heavier than Decker was entering the league, and Manu has longer arms than both of Detroit's starting offensive tackles.

On top of that, Manu has similar athletic traits to Sewell, who is considered one of the elite athletes at the position. Manu came into the league faster and more explosive, but not as strong or agile as Detroit's right tackle.
Of all the projects Holmes drafted, Manu was the one I really liked, because of the above and the position he plays. You can't teach that size and those physical gifts. Because of the low level of competition he played, Manu has the longest way to go. It was huge that the Lions kept Hank Fraley on staff.

That's awesome that Decker is taking him under his wing. That facility he works out at in Phoenix is a private gym for NFL OL & top prospects, he's lived there for almost a decade just to be close to his trainer. Taylor is basically training his replacement lol. Good stuff.
 
With my positional breakdowns, I'm going to list the locks, bubble players, and outside looking in (some of these will be heading to the practice squad). These are just my opinions. When I'm done, there will be fewer than 53 locks, so at the end I'm going to predict which bubble players I think will make it. A lot of them will make it because of special teams play.

They can also call up 2 players per week from the practice squad (up to 3 times per player) so some position groups may have fewer spots than they normally would. Some will come down to who.the Lions think can make it through waivers and onto the practice squad.

The Lions roster will make for some very difficult decisions.
 
With training camp more than a month away, this is a good time to do a very early analysis of the Lions roster. We know things will change but who cares. Let's do it anyways.

Every few days I'm going to analyze a position group. I'm going to give a brief opinion of the key players, Then I will offer my opinion on how many the Lions will keep, who the locks are (starters and backups), bubble players that could earn a roster spot, and those on the outside looking in. Bubble players are dependant on how many the Lions keep at each position.

Knowing how passionate Lions fans are, we should have plenty of discussion and I also welcome thoughts from fans of other teams.

It should be a lot of fun.

Part 1: Quarterbacks

Part 2: Running backs

On 90 man roster:

Jahmyr Gibbs
David Montgomery
Craig Reynolds
Sione Vaki
Kyle Robichaux
Anthony Tyus III

Gibbs broke out in a big way last year, with more than 1900 yards from scrimmage and 20 TDs. Gibbs can break a big play at any given time but he is also a hard nosed runner between the tackles. The scary thing is Gibbs is only 23 years old and has only played two seasons. He isn't even close to reaching his ceiling and that should put fear in opposing defenses.

Montgomery is a great complement to Gibbs and is very hard to bring down on first contact. He is great in short yardage and has racked up 25 rushing TDs in his two years with the Lions. I'd expect more of the same from Montgomery this year.

Reynolds is a solid #3 RB and is also a core special teams player. Every year there is talk that Reynolds is on the bubble but he has played well when asked to and I don't think he's going anywhere.

Vaki is a very intriguing player. He was a safety for most of his college career but the Lions made him a full time RB when he was drafted. He is also one of the best special teams players on the Lions. Barring injury, Vaki will not get many snaps on offense but he is one player I am very interested in seeing in preseason.

Robichaux and Tyus III are both undrafted free agents who, barring injury, are likely battling for spots on the practice squad.

Outlook: The Lions have one of the best running back situations in the NFL. Gibbs is on the path to becoming a superstar. It's downright scary to think of how great he can be. Montgomery is the perfect complement. While I can understand fans wanting Gibbs to get more than half the touches, I expect more of the same. Gibbs isn't the biggest RB and the idea is to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I won't be surprised to see Gibbs get an increased role in the playoffs. With Reynolds and the upside of Vaki, the backup situation is very good.

My prediction: Lions keep 4 RBs

Locks: Gibbs, Montgomery, Reynolds, Vaki.
Bubble: None
Outside looking in: Robichaux, Tyus III

Overall grade: A
 
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With training camp more than a month away, this is a good time to do a very early analysis of the Lions roster. We know things will change but who cares. Let's do it anyways.

Every few days I'm going to analyze a position group. I'm going to give a brief opinion of the key players, Then I will offer my opinion on how many the Lions will keep, who the locks are (starters and backups), bubble players that could earn a roster spot, and those on the outside looking in. Bubble players are dependant on how many the Lions keep at each position.

Knowing how passionate Lions fans are, we should have plenty of discussion and I also welcome thoughts from fans of other teams.

It should be a lot of fun.

Part 1: Quarterbacks

Part 2: Running backs

On 90 man roster:

Jahmyr Gibbs
David Montgomery
Craig Reynolds
Sione Vaki
Kyle Robichaux
Anthony Tyus III

Gibbs broke out in a big way last year, with more than 1900 yards from scrimmage and 20 TDs. Gibbs can break a big play at any given time but he is also a hard nosed runner between the tackles. The scary thing is Gibbs is only 23 years old and has only played two seasons. He isn't even close to reaching his ceiling and that should put fear in opposing defenses.

Montgomery is a great complement to Gibbs and is very hard to bring down on first contact. He is great in short yardage and has racked up 25 rushing TDs in his two years with the Lions. I'd expect more of the same from Montgomery this year.

Reynolds is a solid #3 RB and is also a core special teams player. Every year there is talk that Reynolds is on the bubble but he has played well when asked to and I don't think he's going anywhere.

Vaki is a very intriguing player. He was a safety for most of his college career but the Lions made him a full time RB when he was drafted. He is also one of the best special teams players on the Lions. Barring injury, Vaki will not get many snaps on offense but he is one player I am very interested in seeing in preseason.

Robichaux and Tyus III are both undrafted free agents who, barring injury, are likely battling for spots on the practice squad.

Outlook: The Lions have one of the best running back situations in the NFL. Gibbs is on the path to becoming a superstar. It's downright scary to think of how great he can be. Montgomery is the perfect complement. While I can understand fans wanting Gibbs to get more than half the touches, I expect more of the same. Gibbs isn't the biggest RB and the idea is to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I won't be surprised to see Gibbs get an increased role in the playoffs. With Reynolds and the upside of Vaki, the backup situation is very good.

My prediction: Lions keep 4 RBs

Locks: Gibbs, Montgomery, Reynolds, Vaki.
Bubble: None
Outside looking in: Robichaux, Tyus III

Overall grade: A
I was thinking today that Monty will probably be undervalued in fantasy this year, for two reasons. First, people will look at how Gibbs broke out after Monty got hurt and assume the Lions will stick with him as the bell cow. But I think the Lions really like the 1-2 punch they had in '23 and the first half of last year, and as long as both backs are healthy they will go back to that arrangement.

Second, Goff is due for some regression in his passing TDs as he comes off a season where he had 37 TDs and a 6.9% TD rate. QBs with rates above 6% almost always regress the following season. Now, just because the Lions have fewer passing TDs doesn't mean they will automatically have more rushing TDs; they could just score less overall (and probably will). But to the extent that the balance shifts toward RBs, Montgomery should benefit. Detroit has shown they have no problem using Gibbs in goalline situations, but I still feel like Monty gets more of them. Maybe 60/40? Anyone have the numbers from the past two years in games where they both played?
 
undervalued in fantasy this year, for two reasons. First, people will look at how Gibbs broke out after Monty got hurt and assume the Lions will stick with him as the bell cow. But I think the Lions really like the 1-2 punch they had in '23 and the first half of last year, and as long as both backs are healthy they will go back to that arrangement.

Second, Goff is due for some regression in his passing TDs as he comes off a season where he had 37 TDs and a 6.9% TD rate. QBs with rates above 6% almost always regress the following season. Now, just because the Lions have fewer passing TDs doesn't mean they will automatically have more rushing TDs; they could just score less overall (and probably will). But to the extent that the balance shifts toward RBs, Montgomery should benefit.
The Lions had the 3rd most rushing attempts and tied for 2nd in rushing TDs last year. The 2 teams ahead of them (Baltimore & Philly) use their QB a lot in that role and the Lions obviously don't. And I agree that keeping Gibbs fresh means DM should still be getting most of the short yardage and goal line work.
 
undervalued in fantasy this year, for two reasons. First, people will look at how Gibbs broke out after Monty got hurt and assume the Lions will stick with him as the bell cow. But I think the Lions really like the 1-2 punch they had in '23 and the first half of last year, and as long as both backs are healthy they will go back to that arrangement.

Second, Goff is due for some regression in his passing TDs as he comes off a season where he had 37 TDs and a 6.9% TD rate. QBs with rates above 6% almost always regress the following season. Now, just because the Lions have fewer passing TDs doesn't mean they will automatically have more rushing TDs; they could just score less overall (and probably will). But to the extent that the balance shifts toward RBs, Montgomery should benefit.
The Lions had the 3rd most rushing attempts and tied for 2nd in rushing TDs last year. The 2 teams ahead of them (Baltimore & Philly) use their QB a lot in that role and the Lions obviously don't. And I agree that keeping Gibbs fresh means DM should still be getting most of the short yardage and goal line work.
Just looked up the team stats: Lions had 39 passing TDs last year, 37 of which were by Goff (the other two were trick plays by Monty and ARSB; the latter, of course, was thrown to Goff). Meanwhile, they had 29 rushing TDs: 16 by Gibbs, 12 by DM, and one by Jamo.

In 2023, the ration was 30-27. In 2022, it was 29-23.

So in terms of total TDs, they've gone from 52 to 57 to 68. I would definitely expect that number to come down. Still, let's say Goff regresses to 30 and the total comes all the way down to 55-60; that would still leave plenty of opportunities for both RBs. I'd put good money on Montgomery hitting double digits again.
 
undervalued in fantasy this year, for two reasons. First, people will look at how Gibbs broke out after Monty got hurt and assume the Lions will stick with him as the bell cow. But I think the Lions really like the 1-2 punch they had in '23 and the first half of last year, and as long as both backs are healthy they will go back to that arrangement.

Second, Goff is due for some regression in his passing TDs as he comes off a season where he had 37 TDs and a 6.9% TD rate. QBs with rates above 6% almost always regress the following season. Now, just because the Lions have fewer passing TDs doesn't mean they will automatically have more rushing TDs; they could just score less overall (and probably will). But to the extent that the balance shifts toward RBs, Montgomery should benefit.
The Lions had the 3rd most rushing attempts and tied for 2nd in rushing TDs last year. The 2 teams ahead of them (Baltimore & Philly) use their QB a lot in that role and the Lions obviously don't. And I agree that keeping Gibbs fresh means DM should still be getting most of the short yardage and goal line work.
Just looked up the team stats: Lions had 39 passing TDs last year, 37 of which were by Goff (the other two were trick plays by Monty and ARSB; the latter, of course, was thrown to Goff). Meanwhile, they had 29 rushing TDs: 16 by Gibbs, 12 by DM, and one by Jamo.

In 2023, the ration was 30-27. In 2022, it was 29-23.

So in terms of total TDs, they've gone from 52 to 57 to 68. I would definitely expect that number to come down. Still, let's say Goff regresses to 30 and the total comes all the way down to 55-60; that would still leave plenty of opportunities for both RBs. I'd put good money on Montgomery hitting double digits again.
Both Gibbs and Montgomery have had double-digit TDs in each of the last two years.

I'd expect similar this year.
 
undervalued in fantasy this year, for two reasons. First, people will look at how Gibbs broke out after Monty got hurt and assume the Lions will stick with him as the bell cow. But I think the Lions really like the 1-2 punch they had in '23 and the first half of last year, and as long as both backs are healthy they will go back to that arrangement.

Second, Goff is due for some regression in his passing TDs as he comes off a season where he had 37 TDs and a 6.9% TD rate. QBs with rates above 6% almost always regress the following season. Now, just because the Lions have fewer passing TDs doesn't mean they will automatically have more rushing TDs; they could just score less overall (and probably will). But to the extent that the balance shifts toward RBs, Montgomery should benefit.
The Lions had the 3rd most rushing attempts and tied for 2nd in rushing TDs last year. The 2 teams ahead of them (Baltimore & Philly) use their QB a lot in that role and the Lions obviously don't. And I agree that keeping Gibbs fresh means DM should still be getting most of the short yardage and goal line work.
Just looked up the team stats: Lions had 39 passing TDs last year, 37 of which were by Goff (the other two were trick plays by Monty and ARSB; the latter, of course, was thrown to Goff). Meanwhile, they had 29 rushing TDs: 16 by Gibbs, 12 by DM, and one by Jamo.

In 2023, the ration was 30-27. In 2022, it was 29-23.

So in terms of total TDs, they've gone from 52 to 57 to 68. I would definitely expect that number to come down. Still, let's say Goff regresses to 30 and the total comes all the way down to 55-60; that would still leave plenty of opportunities for both RBs. I'd put good money on Montgomery hitting double digits again.
Both Gibbs and Montgomery have had double-digit TDs in each of the last two years.

I'd expect similar this year.
I agree. But I feel like the market won't fully price that expectation in for Monty
 
Monty's 2-year extension doesn't begin until 2026. They'll re-evaluate where they are at after next season, but barring injury, I don't expect much change in 2025. One wrinkle might be to get Sione Vaki more involved as his development continues - in limited opps in preseason and the regular season, he looked explosive, especially as a receiver. As incredible as Gibbs was as a workhorse in December, the Lions fully understand the key to maximizing his abilities over an entire season is to split the backfield workload.

repeating some stuff I posted shortly after the loss to the Commanders:

stats​

Jahmyr Gibbs: 250 carries, 1,412 rushing yards (5.6 YPC), 63 targets, 52 receptions, 517 receiving yards, 20 total touchdowns

David Montgomery: 185 carries, 775 rushing yards (4.2 YPC), 38 targets, 36 receptions, 341 receiving yards, 12 total touchdowns

metrics​

For the fifth consecutive season, Detroit improved its effectiveness on the ground, averaging 4.7 yards per carry. That’s the highest since Barry Sanders’ 2,000-yard campaign in 1997. The team accomplished the production through the shared strength of its offensive line and the individual efforts of Gibbs and Montgomery. The Lions finished in the top 10 in yards before and after contact.

In total, Gibbs and Montgomery accounted for 43.7% of Detroit’s yardage, up from 35.7% in 2023.

Both Gibbs and Montgomery ranked in the top 20 in yards after contact per carry, with Gibbs maintaining a slight edge. He tied for fifth with 68 missed tackles forced, behind only Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley and Bijan Robinson.

The duo was highly efficient, each ranking in the top 10 at the position in success rate, defined as gaining 4 or more yards on first downs, 60% of the remaining distance on second down and converting on third and fourth down. Montgomery finished sixth, Gibbs 10th.

Gibbs also proved to be one of the league’s most explosive runners in his second season. His 13 carries of 20-plus yards were more than anyone other than Henry and Barkley, who had 75 and 95 additional carries, respectively. Jah also recorded two of the top-10 speeds for ball carriers in 2024, peaking at 22.03 miles per hour on a 70-yard touchdown romp against the Titans in Week 8.

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Set to compete for fourth safety job, what Dan Jackson's Georgia tape tells us about Lions' rookie safety​


The Detroit Lions went into the 2025 NFL Draft with room to add safety depth behind the team’s dynamic starting tandem of Brian Branch and Kerby Joseph. They didn’t find it until the late stages of the event, selecting Georgia’s Dan Jackson No. 230 overall in the seventh round.

Jackson joins a room with several young options, including Loren Strickland and Morice Norris, two undrafted players who spent time on Detroit’s roster a year ago, and an incoming undrafted signing, Ian Kennelly, a local product who starred at Utica Eisenhower and Grand Valley State.

Jackson has the slightest advantage as the draft pick in the group, with a four-year contract and more than $130,000 in guarantees. Still, those four, along with returning practice squader Erick Hallett, are set to compete for one roster spot.

Before that battle ramps up during training camp, let’s take a closer look at Jackson’s 2024 film from Georgia to better understand what he’ll be bringing to the table.

Games watched​

2024: @Alabama, @Texas, vs. Tennessee, Texas (SEC Championship), Notre Dame (CFP)

Bio​

Born and raised an hour outside of Athens, Jackson was a two-way star for North Hall High School in Gainesville, Georgia, earning All-State honors as a defensive player. Instead of going on to play for a smaller college program, he chose to stay close to home and walk on at Georgia.

“It’s really pretty simple,” Jackson said about that decision. “For one, I wanted to win, and I felt like that was the best chance I had, to be there. Two, I wanted to be around the best of the best every day and compete against the best of the best. I think that’s really shaped me. Georgia has really shaped me into the player I am today.”

Jackson redshirted as a freshman and was utilized on the scout team his second year before appearing in 15 games the next season. He primarily contributed on special teams for three campaigns before a breakout performance as a sixth-year senior in 2024.

Statistics​

2021: 15 games, 455 defensive snaps, 40 tackles

2022: seven games, 126 defensive snaps, 16 tackles, one interception, one forced fumble

2023: 11 games, 199 defensive snaps, 20 tackles, one interception, one forced fumble

2024: 14 games, 706 defensive snaps, 64 tackles, two interceptions, one forced fumble

Durability​

Jackson missed the final seven games of the 2022 season with a stress fracture in his right foot. He was also sidelined for the final three games in 2023 with an infected bursa sac in his right knee.

Athletic profile​

Not invited to the scouting combine, the six-foot, 194-pound Jackson showcased above-average athleticism at Georgia’s pro day, buoyed by his elite speed.

During the pre-draft process, he ran his 40-yard dash in 4.45 seconds, with an equally impressive 1.54-second 10-yard split. His explosion was further demonstrated by an above-average 10-foot-3 broad jump. Jackson’s agility is average for his position, and he didn’t perform the bench press.

Usage​

Like most safeties, Jackson lined up in multiple spots in Georgia's secondary. Most of his reps have come at free safety, but he also saw work in the box, slot, and situational snaps along the line of scrimmage.

In terms of special teams, he logged more than 500 snaps during his college career. His heaviest workloads were on kickoff coverage and punt return. Surprisingly, given his speed, he didn’t see a single snap on Georgia’s outstanding punt coverage group.

Jackson blocked a punt and a kick during his college career.

Skill assessment​

Coverage: Jackson does some things well in coverage, and other things not so well.

Let's start with the strengths. Even when operating from deeper alignments, Jackson processes and diagnoses what's happening in front of him well. He has a lightning-quick downhill trigger on throws to the perimeter. He regularly beats blocks to the ball, quickly bringing down the intended targets on receiver screens and flares to the running back.

Jackson played a decent amount of man coverage in 2024. He would line up either directly over a slot responsibility, often a tight end, or rotate with an outside cornerback from a pre-snap, two-high shell. In both cases, he rarely played press, typically lining up between 5-10 yards off his assignment.

Jackson has reasonably fluid hips, allowing him to turn, run and stay in phase on downfield routes. That said, he often plays on his heels, hyper-vigilant not to let anything behind him. That's not a bad thing, but it means he'll concede extra cushion on patterns that break toward the sideline or come back to the line of scrimmage. Accurate quarterbacks who get rid of the ball quickly at the next level can capably feast on this approach if adjustments aren't made.

Where Jackson is less effective is patrolling deeper zones. When a receiver accelerates off the line and quickly eats up the cushion, the defender's footwork can get choppy, and his reactions can be a fraction of a second slow, putting him out of position at the route's stem.

Additionally, Jackson isn't nearly as instinctual when playing the deeper parts of the field. He can get too fixated on one part of the play and lose track of what's happening around him. This shows up most critically in his late arrival as an over-the-top help defender, almost never leaving him in a position to make a play on the ball despite his top-end speed.

In the five games watched, Jackson had one interception, which came off a deflection created by a teammate. He didn't get his hands on another ball and only recorded two breakups on the season.

Run Defense: Given his willingness to take the hard road to get to the NFL, it comes as no surprise to learn Jackson is an eager contributor in the run game.

Jackson triggers downhill with the same tenacity he does in the passing game, crashing into the box and clogging potential run lanes. He also has the speed to shut down runs to the perimeter, including mobile quarterbacks who like to keep the ball on zone-read looks.

Overall, Jackson's pursuit angles are good, but he struggles to shed blocks. Fortunately, his speed allows him to regularly beat blockers to their landmarks.

Tackling: Missed tackles are a major issue for Jackson. He missed at least one in each of the five games we watched. According to data tracked by Pro Football Focus, he whiffed on a whopping 19.5% of his attempts last season.

Jackson is a powerful striker when he can line up his opponent. When he can square a hit coming downhill, he'll run through the ball carrier on most occasions.

In pursuit, his strike point can get inconsistent. On occasions when he gets high, he can be shrugged off by a stiff arm. Meanwhile, in the open field, his speed and aggression can be used against him, leaving him susceptible to inside cutbacks where his average length is exposed.

Intangibles: Even when there seems to be chaos going on around him, Jackson never panics pre-snap, displaying confidence with his alignment and assignment down in and down out.

Jackson also regularly demonstrated strong communication skills, both verbal and via clear hand signals, helping his teammates sift through necessary pre-snap adjustments.

His deep understanding of Georgia's defensive scheme was demonstrated through his deployment. In one game, he'd spend the entire afternoon protecting the deepest parts of the field. In another, he would be asked to operate in the box while regularly flexing out to the slot.

Jackson's motor runs hot, regardless of what the scoreboard reads, and he's enthusiastic about celebrating his teammates' playmaking.

Conclusion​

Jackson plays like a strong safety in a free safety body. There are positives with that, including unmistakable, tone-setting physicality whenever he gets the opportunity to unleash it. However, the other side of that coin is that he doesn't consistently deliver over-the-top support in coverage or have any of the practical ball skills you'd anticipate, given his tremendous speed.

Like most of the players the Lions add through the draft, there's little question Jackson has the work ethic to maximize the coaching points he'll be given, particularly when it comes to refining his techniques related to coverage and tackling.

Obviously, there's a high floor and ceiling as a special teams contributor, given his athleticism, experience and grit. If he can earn a roster spot, I see him having an early role on kickoff and punt coverage (even if he didn't do it at Georgia), punt return and field goal block.

Defensively, he's got a lot to fine-tune before he can reasonably be relied upon. Regardless, there are worse-case scenarios than finding a John Wendling-type player at the tail end of a draft.
 
With training camp more than a month away, this is a good time to do a very early analysis of the Lions roster. We know things will change but who cares. Let's do it anyways.

Every few days I'm going to analyze a position group. I'm going to give a brief opinion of the key players, Then I will offer my opinion on how many the Lions will keep, who the locks are (starters and backups), bubble players that could earn a roster spot, and those on the outside looking in. Bubble players are dependant on how many the Lions keep at each position.

Knowing how passionate Lions fans are, we should have plenty of discussion and I also welcome thoughts from fans of other teams.

It should be a lot of fun.

Part 1: Quarterbacks

Part 2: Running backs

On 90 man roster:

Jahmyr Gibbs
David Montgomery
Craig Reynolds
Sione Vaki
Kyle Robichaux
Anthony Tyus III

Gibbs broke out in a big way last year, with more than 1900 yards from scrimmage and 20 TDs. Gibbs can break a big play at any given time but he is also a hard nosed runner between the tackles. The scary thing is Gibbs is only 23 years old and has only played two seasons. He isn't even close to reaching his ceiling and that should put fear in opposing defenses.

Montgomery is a great complement to Gibbs and is very hard to bring down on first contact. He is great in short yardage and has racked up 25 rushing TDs in his two years with the Lions. I'd expect more of the same from Montgomery this year.

Reynolds is a solid #3 RB and is also a core special teams player. Every year there is talk that Reynolds is on the bubble but he has played well when asked to and I don't think he's going anywhere.

Vaki is a very intriguing player. He was a safety for most of his college career but the Lions made him a full time RB when he was drafted. He is also one of the best special teams players on the Lions. Barring injury, Vaki will not get many snaps on offense but he is one player I am very interested in seeing in preseason.

Robichaux and Tyus III are both undrafted free agents who, barring injury, are likely battling for spots on the practice squad.

Outlook: The Lions have one of the best running back situations in the NFL. Gibbs is on the path to becoming a superstar. It's downright scary to think of how great he can be. Montgomery is the perfect complement. While I can understand fans wanting Gibbs to get more than half the touches, I expect more of the same. Gibbs isn't the biggest RB and the idea is to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I won't be surprised to see Gibbs get an increased role in the playoffs. With Reynolds and the upside of Vaki, the backup situation is very good.

My prediction: Lions keep 4 RBs

Locks: Gibbs, Montgomery, Reynolds, Vaki.
Bubble: None
Outside looking in: Robichaux, Tyus III

Overall grade: A
I'll be doing the next position group in a day or two. Things in Zeppelin land have been a little hectic lately.
 
Campbell was at the podium today, will recap later

joint practices this year will be with Dolphins & Texans



just to review the offseason schedule
  • typical year: rookie minicamp, three sets of OTAs, veteran minicamp, TC, 3 preseason games
  • 2025: rookie minicamp, two sets of OTAs, no veteran minicamp, TC starts a week earlier, HOF game + 3 preseason games
Today was the third day of the first set of OTAs; HC had a presser, media was allowed to observe it's first OTA, players will be meeting with media

Next week will be the second set of OTAs, then everyone heads off for the 6 week blackout period before TC

Nothing scheduled; coaches, players and staff will be on vacation - will be virtually no news until TC opens

Lions will begin their TC a week earlier than most teams to accommodate HoF game prep
 

Hall of Fame game will offer added opportunity for Lions to evaluate backup QB battle, Hooker's development

Allen Park — Being selected for the NFL’s Hall of Fame game can be more of an annoyance than an honor. The participants in the preseason opener in Canton, Ohio, have their summers cut a few days short and are required to play in a fourth preseason game, while the rest of the league's teams participate in the now-standard three exhibition matchups.

But the opportunity isn’t without its positives. For players battling for roster and practice squad spots, it’s another chance to showcase their abilities. The added evaluation period is also beneficial for team decision-makers, who can conduct a more thorough assessment of player development and competition for those jobs.

Both are true with the Detroit Lions’ pending backup quarterback battle, where the incumbent, Hendon Hooker, is being tasked with fending off incoming veteran Kyle Allen for the role.

“A lot of veterans (see) an extra preseason game and it's, 'Ugh.' But for the quarterback position, I love it,” Lions quarterback coach Mark Brunell said. “I love it that Hendon and Kyle will be getting more reps, more game time, so it allows you to evaluate more. It allows those guys to have more opportunities to move the team. I'm thrilled about that. That'll be really good for us.”

Hooker, a third-round pick in 2023, needed every bit of last year’s preseason to prove he was ready to serve as Jared Goff’s backup. In the team's final two preseason contests, against Kansas City and Pittsburgh, he completed 24-of-35 for 264 yards, one touchdown and one interception. Equally important to beating out Nate Sudfeld, Hooker ran for 93 yards on 10 carries in the finale against the Steelers.

But the team brought Hooker’s preparedness into question later in the season, re-signing Teddy Bridgewater to be the team’s backup in the postseason. The Lions have continued to express confidence in Hooker’s development and abilities publicly, but signing Allen showed the job won't be gifted back to Hooker.

“He's been on multiple teams, different systems,” Brunell said about Allen. “(He's) very smart. What I loved about the tape that we saw, he made good decisions with the ball. He managed very well. You could tell he was operating within whatever offense that he was in. Just has a good grasp on how to play at this level and has for a while. In our room, again — I think we've talked about it before — being a resource for Jared (is key). Always being ready, that's at the top of the list, if necessary. But being a good resource for Jared; another set of eyes.”

Obviously, no team wants to be without its starter. However, former offensive coordinator Ben Johnson said he needs a backup able to keep the team afloat when called upon. They don’t have to execute at Goff’s level, but the Lions would need calmness, efficiency, and minimal mistakes to navigate potentially choppy waters in those moments.

"It's, obviously, having a grasp of our offense,” Brunell said. “Being able to manage that, getting in and out of the huddle. We do have some new concepts in the passing game, some things we're doing a little differently. Understanding the intent of every passing play and understanding our protections really well. And, then, when we get to the OTAs (and) we're on the field competing against our defense, just being able to execute, making good decisions with the ball, taking care of the ball, no turnovers.

“Also, specifically, and really what I look for, is just being really good with your fundamentals,” Brunell said. “Then, in the preseason, obviously, once we get out in the games, and then maybe we have an opportunity to compete against other teams in practice: Moving the ball, moving your team, executing, playing at a high level.”

Strong fundamentals and schematic understanding, even if this particular system is new to Allen, are areas where the veteran can push Hooker. The younger quarterback battled numerous issues with his accuracy and decision-making last offseason, exacerbated by a thumb injury on his throwing hand, before settling down late to win the job.

“It's a new opportunity for him, a new year,” Brunell said. “Another year of growth. Remember, what is this, Year 3? He's a puppy. He's still young. Does he have a lot to grow? Yeah. There are some things that we've got to work on, but that's the same case for every other young guy that's going into his third season. There are a lot of things to work on.

“Just being around Kyle, as well, there's things that we've got to work on with him,” Brunell continued. “There's things that Jared needs to work on. Hendon is no different than the other guys. There's areas that you have to focus on, but he's doing an excellent job. Every year, he is just going to get better. We've already seen it in just the couple of weeks that we've been on the field. He's throwing the ball better, his footwork is better. And he understands there are concepts. This has been really good for him. And, as we go, the kid, because of his focus and his attitude and his work ethic, he's naturally just going to become a better quarterback. When he gets out there in preseason, I imagine he's going to get a lot of reps, and you'll see a better version of him than you did last year. I'm excited about that. I'm really pleased with Hendon."

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Lions' Campbell explains offseason schedule changes, confirms joint practices with two opponents

Allen Park — The Detroit Lions are furiously working through a condensed offseason, a setup coach Dan Campbell chose because he felt it was best for his players.

After being selected to participate in the Hall of Fame game this offseason, Campbell made the decision to eliminate the team's three-day mandatory minicamp before the summer break ahead of training camp.

"Yeah, it was a fine line," Campbell said. "I went back and forth. Here's the thing, it was kind of unique, it was a double whammy. For whatever reason, the league year started one (week) later than it normally does. And then, we have the Hall of Fame game. So it's the combination of those, you bleed the offseason into this, and then you bring them back a week early, it just didn't feel right. I didn't feel like it was fair to our players.

"To me, it was like, look, we're going to cut this three days short, so you come in three days early," Campbell said. "That's how we're handling it."

Campbell said the challenge has been compounded by significant changes to the coaching staff this offseason. He said 14 coaches are either new to the team, in new roles, or running a position group for the first time.

"We're just trying to cram in as much of our core that we can, schematically," Campbell said. "… There's a lot of working together, everybody being on the same page, making sure coordinators got what they want, coordinators knowing what I want. This is the best time to do that. We're all working through that, working through the kinks. It's been awesome. It's only been two days, but it's been really good. Guys are in a good spot, good energy, turnout has been awesome."

With no mandatory minicamp, and the Lions playing their first preseason game in late July, Campbell said there will be an urgency to hit the ground running when the team returns to Allen Park.

"It just means we've got to be on it in training camp," Campbell said. "We've got to get a lot of guys ready to play quickly for the Hall of Fame game, and make sure their bodies are ready to go for an early game, because there are going to be a lot of young guys that play a number of reps in that game. But we'll get them right."

Campbell also confirmed the team will conduct joint practices with two preseason opponents, Miami and Houston.

Those are both home matchups. The Lions host the Dolphins on Aug. 16 and the Texans on Aug. 23. Campbell said the Lions will practice with the Dolphins twice and the Texans once.



Dan Campbell on Jamo: “He’s gotten so much stronger. We expect him to have a huge season, we really do.”
 

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