BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Straight Flush>Full House>Flush>Straight
If DET beats the 49ers
- MIN 14-2
- DET 14-2
- PHI 13-3
14-2-1 = .853
(14/17 v 14.5/17)
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2025 Detroit Lions: 1-1 Lion crush Da Bears. Still seats available on the Bandwagon. (159 Viewers)
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Straight Flush>Full House>Flush>Straight
If DET beats the 49ers
14-2-1 = .853
(14/17 v 14.5/17)
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
So as far as the tie goes, the answer is yes, so tonight's game is NOT meanlessness. Win tonight and a win OR tie vs. Minnesota gives the Lions the #1 seed.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The #Vikings vs. #Lions game in Week 18 has been flexed to Sunday Night Football, with the NFC’s No. 1 seed on the line to cap the 2024 season.
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My daughter has season tickets and she is taking me for a Christmas present. Said she had to take me to this one as her husband wants to go if there are home playoff games. Imagine that.
I hate waiting all day for the game and getting home after midnight.
Love the 430 starts.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yeah if being on national tv is that big a deal to some, the 4:30 starts usually qualify without being a pain to those who have to get up the next morning.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Even if I am watching at home I hate waiting all day for the game. MNF wait is even worse.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I live in Miami and a buddy has season tickets to the Dolphins. Every year I get to pick one game and go with him. I always aim for a 1:00 start, because I think it’s absolutely perfect timing: Get to the park by noon, get a burger and beer, finish up and go to our seats, stay for the full game and then be home by 5-5:30.
Under no circumstances would I ever choose a night game as my one to go to. You get rush hour traffic on the way in (if it’s Thu/Mon), if the game gets out of hand you have to start doing the calculation of when it’s safe to leave, and either way you likely end up getting home after midnight
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Plus it is dark by 530 now so the tailgating is not nearly the same fun.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Central time it works out perfect
Tailgate & kickoff in daylight, gets dark at halftime
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Division winner should only be assured a spot in the playoffs. After the last game reseed according to records. The Viking or Lions both deserve either a bye and or both deserve a home game. The way it is set up now a 3 loss team will have to play away against a 7 loss team.
Seems like only the Lions get in these types of jams with rules.
FairWarning
Footballguy
If the Bears make the playoffs because they played 6 games vs 13 win teams, then yes.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
- team's winning percentage (25%)
- opponents' winning percentage (50%)
- the winning percentage of those opponents' opponents (25%).
- The opponents' winning percentage and the winning percentage of those opponents' opponents both comprise the strength of schedule (SOS).
- Thus, the SOS accounts for 75% of the calculation
- SOS should be 2/3 its opponents' winning percentage and 1/3 its opponents' opponents' winning percentages.
I’m at a point where I agree with this now. Division winners and wild cards make the field but the w-l records should determine seeding.
swabs
Footballguy
Agreed, with a caveat that if they have the same record a division winner would have the first tie-breaker.
Deamon
Footballguy
if the 13-2 non div winner is that good, they should have no issue on the road vs a crappy div winner.
Keep the system as it is, winning the div should get you a home game.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I'd be fine if they kept everything as is but gave the team with the better record a home game rather than the division winner. It would be kind of ridiculous for a 10-7 Atlanta team to host a 14-3 Detroit/Minnesota
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
What I don’t like about the system is that the NFC North runner-up will also be the 5th seed when they reseed for the 2nd round. Pretty good chance the Lions and Vikings will have the two best remaining records in the NFC and have to play each other again.
kutta
Footballguy
If I remember correctly, when the Cardinals made their superbowl run they benefited from this scenario. The Eagles had a better record but were a wildcard team, so the cards with their crappy record got to host the NFC championship game because the Cards won the division.
I was at that game. And the subsequent Super Bowl…
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions are now 10-2 in primetime games under Head Coach Dan Campbell.
K Jake Bates has established the new single-season franchise record for points scored, passing Jason Hanson's previous record of 134 points in 2012.
Lions have set a new franchise record for the most first downs in a season, passing the previous record of 382 in 2012.
Lions DB Brian Branch is the NFL’s third DB since at least 1999 to record 100+ tackles, 15+ PDs and 5+ TFLs in a single season, joining:
Week 16 was Jared Goff's 11th game this season and 7th road game to record a completion percentage of at least 70%.
QBs in NFL history to produce eight games with a completion percentage of 75.0% in a season:
For the first time in franchise history, the Lions have gone undefeated (8-0) on the road during a season.
Gibbs joins Barry Sanders (1991) as the only players in Lions history to record 1,700 scrimmage yards and 17 touchdowns in a season.
Kerby Joseph is the first Lions safety to record 9+ INTs and a pick-six in a season since Jack Christiansen (1957).
He is also the first Lions player since Jimmy Allen (1981) to record 9+ INTs in a season.
First Lions DB to log at least 8 INTs and a pick-six in a single season since Lem Barney in 1967.
(ASIDE - pretty sure Lem had 10 INT and 3 TDs his rookie year but have to look it up)
17 interceptions in his first three seasons is the most by a Lions player since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger.
Most receiving touchdowns in a players first four seasons in franchise history:
Teams to have three players with 12 TDs in a season:
Jared Goff has 3 TDs in four straight games, the first time that has happened in franchise history.
(what's Joe Burrow up to now? like 8?)
Since losing to Tampa Bay Week 2, the Lions have scored 20+ points in 14 straight games, a new franchise record.
Two teams have produced 35+ passing TDs and 25+ rushing TDs in the same season:
Sam LaPorta has become the first TE in NFL history to record 600+ yards and 6+ TDs in his first two seasons.
(love when they invent these hyper specific criteria stats as the first time in NFL history lol)
let's see....
Gronk
Also, now tied with Mike Ditka for the second most TDs in the first two seasons for a TE.
Amon-Ra St Brown moved into 5th place in career receptions (424) in Week 17, surpassing Golden Tate (416)
Gibbs has produced 70+ scrimmage yards in every game this season.
His 16 games with 70+ scrimmage yards are a single-season franchise record.
Yep, Barry never did that.
The only players in Lions history to record at least five TD receptions of 40+ yards in a season:
The Lions are the first team in NFL history to have two RBs and two WRs all top 1,000 scrimmage yards in a single season.
Gibbs, Montgomery, St Brown, Williams
The only two teams to have four players with at least 1,000 scrimmage yards & 7 TDs in a season in NFL history:
Most points scored in an NFL season:
K Jake Bates has established the new single-season franchise record for points scored, passing Jason Hanson's previous record of 134 points in 2012.
Lions have set a new franchise record for the most first downs in a season, passing the previous record of 382 in 2012.
Lions DB Brian Branch is the NFL’s third DB since at least 1999 to record 100+ tackles, 15+ PDs and 5+ TFLs in a single season, joining:
- CB Rodne Barber (2006)
- S Rodney Harrison (2000)
Week 16 was Jared Goff's 11th game this season and 7th road game to record a completion percentage of at least 70%.
QBs in NFL history to produce eight games with a completion percentage of 75.0% in a season:
- Tom Brady (2007)
- Jared Goff (2024)
For the first time in franchise history, the Lions have gone undefeated (8-0) on the road during a season.
Gibbs joins Barry Sanders (1991) as the only players in Lions history to record 1,700 scrimmage yards and 17 touchdowns in a season.
Kerby Joseph is the first Lions safety to record 9+ INTs and a pick-six in a season since Jack Christiansen (1957).
He is also the first Lions player since Jimmy Allen (1981) to record 9+ INTs in a season.
First Lions DB to log at least 8 INTs and a pick-six in a single season since Lem Barney in 1967.
(ASIDE - pretty sure Lem had 10 INT and 3 TDs his rookie year but have to look it up)
17 interceptions in his first three seasons is the most by a Lions player since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger.
Most receiving touchdowns in a players first four seasons in franchise history:
- 33 - Calvin Johnson Jr
- 33 - Amon-Ra Julian Heru J. St. Brown
Teams to have three players with 12 TDs in a season:
- 1961 Oilers (B. Cannon, B. Groman, C. Hennigan)
- 2013 Broncos (K. Moreno, D. Thomas, J. Thomas)
- 2014 Packers (R. Cobb, E. Lacy, J. Nelson)
- 2024 Lions (D. Montgomery, J. Gibbs, A. St. Brown)
Jared Goff has 3 TDs in four straight games, the first time that has happened in franchise history.
(what's Joe Burrow up to now? like 8?)
Since losing to Tampa Bay Week 2, the Lions have scored 20+ points in 14 straight games, a new franchise record.
Two teams have produced 35+ passing TDs and 25+ rushing TDs in the same season:
- 2000 Rams
- 2024 Lions
Sam LaPorta has become the first TE in NFL history to record 600+ yards and 6+ TDs in his first two seasons.
(love when they invent these hyper specific criteria stats as the first time in NFL history lol)
let's see....
Gronk
- 42-545-10
- 90-1327-17
- 86-889-10
- 53-663-7
Also, now tied with Mike Ditka for the second most TDs in the first two seasons for a TE.
Amon-Ra St Brown moved into 5th place in career receptions (424) in Week 17, surpassing Golden Tate (416)
Gibbs has produced 70+ scrimmage yards in every game this season.
His 16 games with 70+ scrimmage yards are a single-season franchise record.
Yep, Barry never did that.
The only players in Lions history to record at least five TD receptions of 40+ yards in a season:
- Cloyce Box (1952, 1950)
Jameson Williams (2024)
The Lions are the first team in NFL history to have two RBs and two WRs all top 1,000 scrimmage yards in a single season.
Gibbs, Montgomery, St Brown, Williams
The only two teams to have four players with at least 1,000 scrimmage yards & 7 TDs in a season in NFL history:
- 2004 Colts (E. James, M. Harrison, R. Wayne, B. Stokley)
- 2024 Lions (D. Montgomery, J. Gibbs, A. St. Brown, J. Williams)
Most points scored in an NFL season:
| PTS | SEASON | GP | PASS TD | RUSH TD | RET TD | TD | FGM | XPM | XP2 | SFTY | PPG | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Broncos | 606 | 2013 | 16 | 55 | 16 | 5 | 76 | 25 | 75 | 0 | 0 | 37.9 |
| 2 | Patriots | 589 | 2007 | 16 | 50 | 17 | 8 | 75 | 21 | 74 | 1 | 0 | 36.8 |
| 3 | Chiefs | 565 | 2018 | 16 | 50 | 16 | 5 | 71 | 24 | 65 | 1 | 0 | 35.3 |
| 4 | Packers | 560 | 2011 | 16 | 51 | 12 | 7 | 70 | 24 | 68 | 0 | 0 | 35.0 |
| 5 | Patriots | 557 | 2012 | 16 | 34 | 25 | 8 | 67 | 29 | 66 | 0 | 1 | 34.8 |
| 6 | Vikings | 556 | 1998 | 16 | 41 | 17 | 6 | 64 | 35 | 59 | 3 | 1 | 34.8 |
| 7 | Saints | 547 | 2011 | 16 | 46 | 16 | 4 | 66 | 28 | 63 | 2 | 0 | 34.2 |
| 8 | Redskins | 541 | 1983 | 16 | 29 | 30 | 4 | 63 | 33 | 62 | 1 | 33.8 | |
| 9 | Falcons | 540 | 2016 | 16 | 38 | 20 | 5 | 63 | 34 | 56 | 2 | 0 | 33.8 |
| 10 | Rams | 540 | 2000 | 16 | 37 | 26 | 4 | 67 | 24 | 58 | 4 | 0 | 33.8 |
| 11 | Lions | 533 | 2024 | 16 | 38 | 26 | 2 | 66 | 25 | 60 | 1 | 0 | 33.3 |
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Anytime I think of Jamo, Cloyce Box is the first player I think of.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
More Megatron than Jamo
6'4" 220 LE (wr - in modern parlance, an X receiver)
was a Marine Corps officer in WWII, interrupting his studies, and came out as a 26 year old rookie, then missed his 3rd season because he got recalled during the Korean Conflict
- 1949 - played Right Halfback,
30-62-0 rushing, 15-276-4 in 10 g - 1950 - moved to outside E, typically the best wr played LE (right-handed quarterbacks), had a 12-302-4 game, made the Pro Bowl. On the season:
50-1009-11 - 1951 - Did Not Play - Military Service
- 1952 - dominant playmaker on their second World Championship team, made All Pro
$2-924-15 - 1953 - helped the Lions repeat as NFL Champs
16-403-2 - 1954 - backup LE & HB; Lions won the West Division again but lost the NFL Title Game
6-53 & 1-20
Johnson had 34 TDs (33 receiving) 2007-10; 33 TDs in 60 g
Cloyce Box 32 TDs in 46 g; 30 through 34 g after 3 years
after he retired he returned to Texas and became a successful oilman, eventually forming a publicly trading energy company with his sons
there were three Texas legends on the Detroit teams that won 2 Championships and made 3 title games 1951-53:
- QB Bobby Layne, who set many of the career passing marks that Johnny Unitas would later break
- HB Doak Walker, one the three retired numbers from the 1950s; was basically the CMC of his day
- LE Cloyce Box
ETA
The Lions franchise have six retired numbers:
- 7 Dutch Clark - named the AP player of the decade for the 1930s
- 20 Lem Barney, , Billy Sims, Barry Sanders - two HoF players, two former Heisman winners, 20 Pro Bowls
- 22 - Bobby Layne
- 37 - Doak Walker
- 56 - MLB Joe Schmidt
- 85 - the late WR Chuck Hughes, who died at Tiger Stadium in 1971
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kerby Joseph bought his mom a new construction home in a gated community this summer
mans about to get paid
IDK how many more of those big bags Brad got to hand out but somebody will pony up if Sheila won't
always happy to see good things happen to good people, big offseason for him just in terms of generational wealth
mans about to get paid
IDK how many more of those big bags Brad got to hand out but somebody will pony up if Sheila won't
always happy to see good things happen to good people, big offseason for him just in terms of generational wealth
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
DumbThe #Vikings vs. #Lions game in Week 18 has been flexed to Sunday Night Football, with the NFC’s No. 1 seed on the line to cap the 2024 season.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Shut your Cloyce Box!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I bought an old Lion jersey from the 60s at an estate sale years ago. #41. Who was it? No cheating!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Well one reason the home playoff game is important is economics.
AEG found that attendee expenditures for the Detroit-Tampa Bay game will have a direct economic impact of $31,651,281 for the Lions, with an additional indirect impact of $20,573,333 for local business a combined total of over 52 million dollars for one home playoff game.
To create this analysis, AEG followed a rigorous methodology that considers both direct costs and the substitution effects that occur when consumers choose one event over another and included an allowance for the portion of the gate revenue captured by the NFL and other entities. The total includes both expenditures inside and outside the stadium by attendees, including the portion of people who travel to Detroit for the game and stay in hotels.
Why is it dumb?DumbThe #Vikings vs. #Lions game in Week 18 has been flexed to Sunday Night Football, with the NFC’s No. 1 seed on the line to cap the 2024 season.
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2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
I thought his coming to Terrion’s defense and knocking the 9er into the stands set the tone that it was the Lions game to take. Total MCDC player saying eff the
possible penalty, no one touches my people sort of stuff.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Because it’s the game of the week that most football fans want to see and it’s not going to be over until midnight est on a night when most football fans have to work the next morningWhy is it dumb?DumbThe #Vikings vs. #Lions game in Week 18 has been flexed to Sunday Night Football, with the NFC’s No. 1 seed on the line to cap the 2024 season.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Week 17 Recep
Injuries: None.
OK, a couple in game but Campbell said postgame neither one is anything to worry about
Injury updates
Rookie cornerback Terrion Arnold was on the bench to start the second half but rejoined the lineup later in the third quarter. He said it was related to a virus he battled earlier in the week that knocked him out of Thursday’s practice.
“Had to get my wind,” Arnold said. “I had the flu this week. My lungs were hurting.”
Also, at the end of the first half, Sewell left the field and missed the final play of the second quarter. It marked the first offensive snap he missed since Week 2.
“I don't like to miss a play, miss anything,” Sewell said. “Obviously, that was frustrating, but it was one of those things where it wasn't up to me.”
Sewell returned to action in the second half and coach Campbell didn’t express any concern about the issue lingering into next week.
Injuries: None.
OK, a couple in game but Campbell said postgame neither one is anything to worry about
Injury updates
Rookie cornerback Terrion Arnold was on the bench to start the second half but rejoined the lineup later in the third quarter. He said it was related to a virus he battled earlier in the week that knocked him out of Thursday’s practice.
“Had to get my wind,” Arnold said. “I had the flu this week. My lungs were hurting.”
Also, at the end of the first half, Sewell left the field and missed the final play of the second quarter. It marked the first offensive snap he missed since Week 2.
“I don't like to miss a play, miss anything,” Sewell said. “Obviously, that was frustrating, but it was one of those things where it wasn't up to me.”
Sewell returned to action in the second half and coach Campbell didn’t express any concern about the issue lingering into next week.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Brian Piccolo wore 41 for the Bears in the 1960's. Great movie haven't seen in many years though.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Branch probably picked up another $10-20K in fines last night.
Anybody facing Detroit knows you can pickup 2-3 automatic first downs from DPI or UC. At some point you gotta stop being selfish & look at the bigger picture. Kerby would have had 3 picks last night without a no-reason-for-it DPI (I have to look at the play by play, that might have been a few plays before his first INT.)
Love the attitude but they have to be smarter and stop responding to instigators. Especially when it’s an hour or two after the first incident.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Nick?
I always get them confused, too, but you just need a good mnemonic to jog the memory.
A nick is a small accidental cut when you’re shaving; Nick’s the casual racist.
Joey Buttafuoco was a dumb RL guy from Long Island. Joey Tribianni was a dumb fictional character from Queens. Joey is the blatant racist.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
As you review things I’d be curious your take if Terrion enticed the roughing on the play. If so, I will agree you more discipline was necessary. If it was a more organic melee in what was rightly billed as a revenge game, I guess I am all good with it. Maybe Anzalone back with the green dot cleans this up a bit as they break defensive huddle.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I’m kind of ambivalent about Joseph sticking up for his teammate after Jennings blocked him into oblivion. I was thinking more about the BB retaliation like 50 plays later after the whistle.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Probably easier just to say Bosa.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
the memes are everywhere today
@justin_rogers
"My family and friends are having a field day with it already. It's fun. I understand it." -- Jake Bates.
For what it's worth, Bates said he's fine, normal stretching.
"I can't believe the media did that to you. I can't believe they broadcasted that."
- LS Hogan Hatten
@justin_rogers
"My family and friends are having a field day with it already. It's fun. I understand it." -- Jake Bates.
For what it's worth, Bates said he's fine, normal stretching.
"I can't believe the media did that to you. I can't believe they broadcasted that."
- LS Hogan Hatten
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
I saw one that said “Paint me like one of your French girls”. I laughed out loud at that one
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
the in game thread comment that broke me up was “looks like Burt Reynolds posing for Playgirl”
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The NFL regular season finale is shaping up to be a regular barn burner. Total is 57, biggest total of the year as well as the last game of the year.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Showing your age there Bobby but yeah that’s funny.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Jamo and Branch both guilty of boneheaded penalties. Both of these guys seem so undisciplined compared to a guy like St. Brown.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Dan Campbell wins per season
2021- 3
2022- 9
2023- 12
2024- ?? (15)
the man who saw the future
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Ben Johnson has now slipped to #6 in the "next permanent head coach" betting, behind Rex Ryan, Mike Vrabel, Aaron Glenn, Ron Rivera, & Brian Flores. All between +300 and + 1000.
