2025 Detroit Lions: 1-1 Lion crush Da Bears. Still seats available on the Bandwagon. (159 Viewers)

[ignatiusjreilly]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance Ben comes back? I would still bet against it, but we know how choosy he is, and as I look at the availabilities I see a whole lot of red flags. Bad owners, dumpster fire organizations, unclear org charts. Maybe he has enough juice that he can come in with his list of demands, but even that might not be enough. As great a job as Campbell has done, it's worth remembering that he benefitted from a clean slate and the arrival of other smart people who were not tied to the dysfunction of the past: Spielman, Holmes, and most notably Hamp Ford. I wonder -- and am glad we'll never have to find out -- how good a job Campbell and Holmes would have done if they were still dealing with dysfunction at the top.

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that other than the Jets, every team with an opening (Bears, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Pats) is keeping their GM. And all five of them have been tied to some level or dysfunction (not an uncommon trait among teams that have just fired their coach) and none of them really seem to have done anything to rectify that

 

[King of the Jungle]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance Ben comes back? I would still bet against it, but we know how choosy he is, and as I look at the availabilities I see a whole lot of red flags. Bad owners, dumpster fire organizations, unclear org charts. Maybe he has enough juice that he can come in with his list of demands, but even that might not be enough. As great a job as Campbell has done, it's worth remembering that he benefitted from a clean slate and the arrival of other smart people who were not tied to the dysfunction of the past: Spielman, Holmes, and most notably Hamp Ford. I wonder -- and am glad we'll never have to find out -- how good a job Campbell and Holmes would have done if they were still dealing with dysfunction at the top.

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that other than the Jets, every team with an opening (Bears, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Pats) is keeping their GM. And all five of them have been tied to some level or dysfunction (not an uncommon trait among teams that have just fired their coach) and none of them really seem to have done anything to rectify that

I think it a decision of striking when the iron is hot and being the most sought out coach candidate versus finding the right fit. A delicate balance for sure. The Lion’s appear to be in good position for the foreseeable future, however as we know the injury bug can strike and ruin that momentum pretty quickly. If he goes through next season and the offense has significant injuries, he could lose some some luster. Comes down to how comfortable he is with organizations he interviews with. Honestly, I think New England may have the best shot at getting him if Ben likes what he sees in Maye. It also may come down to how much control he gets in player personnel which Kraft allowed Bill to have.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance Ben comes back? I would still bet against it, but we know how choosy he is, and as I look at the availabilities I see a whole lot of red flags. Bad owners, dumpster fire organizations, unclear org charts. Maybe he has enough juice that he can come in with his list of demands, but even that might not be enough. As great a job as Campbell has done, it's worth remembering that he benefitted from a clean slate and the arrival of other smart people who were not tied to the dysfunction of the past: Spielman, Holmes, and most notably Hamp Ford. I wonder -- and am glad we'll never have to find out -- how good a job Campbell and Holmes would have done if they were still dealing with dysfunction at the top.

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that other than the Jets, every team with an opening (Bears, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Pats) is keeping their GM. And all five of them have been tied to some level or dysfunction (not an uncommon trait among teams that have just fired their coach) and none of them really seem to have done anything to rectify that

Ben is interviewing with four teams (or, more correctly, these teams have requested an interview):

• Chicago - Ryan Poles is staying as GM. The Team President (not McCaskey, the other jerk off) is not a fun guy to work for, and I doubt they ever have a unified front until they get rid of the cancer at the top of the org.
• Jax - Trent Baalke is staying on as GM. For now. His owner just said on a conference call - with the GM in the room - he'd be open to restructuring the leadership if it became an encumbrance to attracting the right coach. The new HC will report to the owner, not the GM. They do things weird down there.
• Las Vegas - this one makes the least amount of sense, or is IMO the least desirable. I don't see connections between Tom Telesco and Johnson, they have moved in different circles, and this just feels like a hot mess that is almost an impossible task.
• New England - they don't have a GM, but Eliot Wolf is functionally the guy that makes personnel decisions. He used to work for John Dorsey who has been with Detroit for several years. I think Ben will have a pretty good read on this situation going in. The roster is barren, it's a long term project, and this is a strip it down to the studs rebuild. They have the right quarterback, though.

I think if he goes anywhere it will be New England, and part of the deal will be having at least equal say in personnel decisions. I don't think he wants a dual GM-HC role, but he has seen how hand-and-glove it is for Brad and Dan. He has to click with Wolf or whoever is calling the shots.

But the Patriots just might cling to the last vestiges of the the Patriot Way and hire Vrabel so might be a moot point.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Maybe it was just wishful thinking but I was one of the few last year that wasn't convinced Johnson would leave. Same this year although it seems like more are also seeing it this way. Glenn is imo much more liable to leave, he seems more like the HC personality of the two.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Maybe it was just wishful thinking but I was one of the few last year that wasn't convinced Johnson would leave. Same this year although it seems like more are also seeing it this way. Glenn is imo much more liable to leave, he seems more like the HC personality of the two.

I watch all 3 coordinators pressers each week, and it’s so interesting how different from each they are.

Ben reminds me of my old Chemistry professor (Ken Smith). Has that gift to make everything seem interesting and explains complex systems in a digestible manner that anyone can understand. Elite communicator, never talks above anyone, very self aware.

AG is as serious as a heart attack. Treats the men like men want to be treated. Challenges players to make every assignment the most important thing they’ve ever done. Good motivator in front of the team.

Dave Fipp will never get a chance to be the main guy, and not sure he wants that? OTOH John Harbough proved a ST Coordinator can make the leap. Very cerebral, cordial, phenomenal story teller - and not for sake of being a good bullshitter but because he uses stories to explain why they want things done a certain way. Really creative guy who is open minded and embodies the collaborative effort that permeates Allen Park. It’s a players league, and players make plays is one of many great Fipp quips.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Maybe it was just wishful thinking but I was one of the few last year that wasn't convinced Johnson would leave. Same this year although it seems like more are also seeing it this way. Glenn is imo much more liable to leave, he seems more like the HC personality of the two.

I really thought he was gone to DC last year. And even before we knew how good Daniels would be, that made a lot of sense in terms of an organization that had cleaned house and brought in well-respected people. But maybe for whatever reason he wasn't feeling it or wasn't ready to leave or whatever. He gets to make that call.

There probably is a point where teams get sick of waiting around for him and lose interest. Or where he has a down year a la Slowik or Lou Anarumo and is suddenly not the hottest girl at the bar. Ultimately, I think he should (and will) do what's best for him.

As for Glenn, do they have a succession plan in place a la Tanner with the offense? I would assume they do, and I would also assume that Campbell has put more thought into it than Sirianni did with the Eagles a couple years ago

 

[BobbyLayne]

Interesting Q in the Substack chat today. Someone asked why the Lions can’t just lock up Glenn & Johnson to long term, GTD that are basically “an offer they can’t refuse.”

Justin Rogers:

It's not reality.

If you overpay your coordinators you raise the floor for everyone and there are meaningful league politics involved. Oh, you want a rule proposal pushed through? Yeah, no, because you were short sighted and cost every team millions and millions of dollars forever.

Because if you pay coordinators more, you have to pay assistants more and head coaches more. No industry works where you pay you're department mangers as much as your competitors' managers for a fraction of the work.

On top of that, it's approximately five years guaranteed as opposed to two, typically. So 200-300% annual raise plus double the guarantees.

Johnson is already at the top of the scale for his position, according to everyone I've talked to on the matter. Going way above that is fan fiction.

 

[BobbyLayne]

As for Glenn, do they have a succession plan in place a la Tanner with the offense? I would assume they do, and I would also assume that Campbell has put more thought into it than Sirianni did with the Eagles a couple years ago

If they stay internal - and AG doesn’t take him with him to be his new DC - LBs coach Kelvin Sheppard is perceived to be the heir apparent.

Same thing on the other side. They have been grooming passing game coordinator Tanner Engstrand for the OC job. Ben has said he’s going to be a play calling HC, so less likely he’ll bring him along.

I believe there are rules about blocking teams from pouching your assistants - Dan blocked Zach Taylor from hiring Ben Johnson a couple times - but I imagine Campbell will let guys go somewhere else for a promotion, if that is what they want.

Just my opinion, could be off on how I am reading it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Only 2 teams can't advance this week and play the Lions next, Philly & Tampa. As the 2 & 3 seed they can't be the lowest seed remaining. That will be either Rams, Minnesota, Washington, or Packers.

 

[Zeppelin]

Only 2 teams can't advance this week and play the Lions next, Philly & Tampa. As the 2 & 3 seed they can't be the lowest seed remaining. That will be either Rams, Minnesota, Washington, or Packers.

I don't care who we play. Bring it on.

LFG!!!!!!!

 

[BobbyLayne]

Only 2 teams can't advance this week and play the Lions next, Philly & Tampa. As the 2 & 3 seed they can't be the lowest seed remaining. That will be either Rams, Minnesota, Washington, or Packers.

Very thoughtful PSA GB

Lions fans likely have never noticed this sort of things having never been a #1 seed

 

[Da Guru]

“You don’t want to turn the engine off, but just let it idle.”

- Dan Campbell on bye week preparations

Not a lot going on in Allen Park this week. Players don’t have to come in until Thursday. Will have a light practice, no pads, for about an hour, on the 9th. Three day weekend for everyone, including the coaching staff.

Injury news:

• David Montgomery will play the Division Round.
• Positive News on Terrion Arnold and Kevin Zeitler.
• Doesn’t look as good for DL Pat O’Connor.
• Declined to give anything more specific until next week.
• Does not expect any other players to return from IR.
• Does not expect Derrick Barnes or Carlton Davis III to return at any time this year.
• WRT Aidan Hutchinson: “He has a season ending injury. He does. I’m not going to say anything more. Except this: I wouldn’t bet against him.”

Opened the press conference giving everyone flowers, starting with the fans who were loud and electric, highlighted several defensive, offensive and special teams players. Went on at length about the defense, best performance of the year.

Said “If nobody wants him, I’d love to have Aaron Glenn back. But the thought of another NFL season without AG being a head coach somewhere is ridiculous. He can do everything. He understands defense, offense, special teams, he’s an excellent communicator, motivating, he’s inspirational. I don’t want to lose him, but I’m rooting for the guy.”

Said Assistant Head Coach Scottie Montgomery is in front of the team every week and is another one who is a head coach candidate.

No advance game plan work this week, he’s not going to have the staff do work they’ll never need. Three of the possible opponents they played this year so they have a good baseline to work from. Washington is the only team they haven’t seen so they’ll do some film breakdown but not a full work up .

Wants everyone to enjoy the week off. They’ve earned it.

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That's a bummer about Davis. I was holding out hope. Of all the guys on IR, he and Hutch would make the biggest impact if they came back at full strength (which, by the way, I'm highly skeptical that Hutch can do. Even if he comes back, his role will likely be severely limited).

It's possible CD3 or Hutch come back, but since it's a very long shot for both, I'd say the wisest course would be to level set expectations for everyone that's just not happening. You still have cover because all the medical experts say it's not likely, not even remotely. But put that out before the playoffs start, and now you don't have to address it every day. If instead you say "Boy we sure hope they can come back, that would be great, but just doesn't seem likely", you're still gonna get questions every single media appearance.

That said, Coach is pretty straight about injuries. Cannot think of a single instance where he steered the media or fans wrong. If he say it doesn't look good, then I believe him.

We will just have to "Check the report"

 

[BobbyLayne]

We will just have to "Check the report"

I definitely spent a LOT less time on YouTube 2014-2020.

Coaches press conference? Are you Insane, what would be the point of watching that?

 

[Da Guru]

We will just have to "Check the report"

I definitely spent a LOT less time on YouTube 2014-2020.

Coaches press conference? Are you Insane, what would be the point of watching that?

Listening to DCs presser from the start made Caldwell and Patricia sound more dooshy than they already were. Never understood why Caldwell was the way he was at pressers because I am sure he is a nice man. Yet for some reason he could not handle facing the media. Patricia was a *** hat from the start.

 

[BobbyLayne]

We will just have to "Check the report"

I definitely spent a LOT less time on YouTube 2014-2020.

Coaches press conference? Are you Insane, what would be the point of watching that?

Listening to DCs presser from the start made Caldwell and Patricia sound more dooshy than they already were. Never understood why Caldwell was the way he was at pressers because I am sure he is a nice man. Yet for some reason he could not handle facing the media. Patricia was a *** hat from the start.

Somebody on the Lions subreddit posted an old episode of Inside the Den in which MP was leading them through a walk through / non-contact scrimmage preparing for a game. It was comically sad how phony and uninspiring it was, low energy, guys going through the motions. And this was in the preseason when young players are amped up & going hard to get noticed.

Caldwell was and is a good man. MP was and is a clown.

His career prospects should have ended in a Padre Island courtroom 22 years before he brought his special brand of infectious toxicity to Detroit.

 

[Ilov80s]

We will just have to "Check the report"

I definitely spent a LOT less time on YouTube 2014-2020.

Coaches press conference? Are you Insane, what would be the point of watching that?

Listening to DCs presser from the start made Caldwell and Patricia sound more dooshy than they already were. Never understood why Caldwell was the way he was at pressers because I am sure he is a nice man. Yet for some reason he could not handle facing the media. Patricia was a *** hat from the start.

Somebody on the Lions subreddit posted an old episode of Inside the Den in which MP was leading them through a walk through / non-contact scrimmage preparing for a game. It was comically sad how phony and uninspiring it was, low energy, guys going through the motions. And this was in the preseason when young players are amped up & going hard to get noticed.

Caldwell was and is a good man. MP was and is a clown.

His career prospects should have ended in a Padre Island courtroom 22 years before he brought his special brand of infectious toxicity to Detroit.

Yep, I am still a big Caldwell fan. He did things with this team we hadn't seen in 20 years. He was a good man, a good leader and a good coach. 36-28, 2 playoff appearenaces. It was a total set-up job by Quinn to get rid of him. He went 9-7, I think won 7 of the last 10 games after the bye. Sure they didn't make the playoffs but this was major progress for the Lions to be posting consistent winning records. God I hate Quinn and Patricia so much.

 

[Da Guru]

We will just have to "Check the report"

I definitely spent a LOT less time on YouTube 2014-2020.

Coaches press conference? Are you Insane, what would be the point of watching that?

Listening to DCs presser from the start made Caldwell and Patricia sound more dooshy than they already were. Never understood why Caldwell was the way he was at pressers because I am sure he is a nice man. Yet for some reason he could not handle facing the media. Patricia was a *** hat from the start.

Somebody on the Lions subreddit posted an old episode of Inside the Den in which MP was leading them through a walk through / non-contact scrimmage preparing for a game. It was comically sad how phony and uninspiring it was, low energy, guys going through the motions. And this was in the preseason when young players are amped up & going hard to get noticed.

Caldwell was and is a good man. MP was and is a clown.

His career prospects should have ended in a Padre Island courtroom 22 years before he brought his special brand of infectious toxicity to Detroit.

Yep, I am still a big Caldwell fan. He did things with this team we hadn't seen in 20 years. He was a good man, a good leader and a good coach. 36-28, 2 playoff appearenaces. It was a total set-up job by Quinn to get rid of him. He went 9-7, I think won 7 of the last 10 games after the bye. Sure they didn't make the playoffs but this was major progress for the Lions to be posting consistent winning records. God I hate Quinn and Patricia so much.

Caldwell was a good, not great HC. Those teams had some talent, he did not inherit the 0-16 mess Schwartz did. Stafford cost Schwartz his job with his play the last half of his last season. The only good thing about the Quinntricia failure is that is led to DC-Holmes. If they had even an inkling of success they would not have been fired and that ship would have sailed in a different direction. Success in the NFL even more than other leagues is all about timing and being the right spot.

I have always felt that if Barry Sanders were drafted by the Cowboys and Emmitt Smith by the bad Lion team during the same period Sanders would have had 20,000 plus yards and we would be saying Emmitt who??

 

[swabs]

I see Glenn being a much more successful head coach than Johnson for some reason. Losing both would potentially be brutal next year. Better win it all so it hurts less.

 

[Moonlight]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.
Losing him would be major loss.
Came on board to make things right in Detroit after years in broadcast booth.
Was advisor to Sheila and said to have been responsible for hiring DC and Holmes. I remember reading that he was content working behind the scenes. So wonder what if anything has changed.

 

[fatness]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.

A link to back that up.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Under the Helmet: Alex Anzalone

Wow - really nice job by the Lions media team profiling the defensive captain and his wife Lindsey. Good peeps.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.

A link to back that up.

Good for him - dude is so selfless in his role in Detroit, love to see him getting interest.

Maybe he could hire his big bro to be his PA

 

[Moonlight]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.

A link to back that up.

Good for him - dude is so selfless in his role in Detroit, love to see him getting interest.

Maybe he could hire his big bro to be his PA

Only Lions jersey I own is his.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.
Losing him would be major loss.
Came on board to make things right in Detroit after years in broadcast booth.
Was advisor to Sheila and said to have been responsible for hiring DC and Holmes. I remember reading that he was content working behind the scenes. So wonder what if anything has changed.

Aw, folks got a chance to grow, you have to be glad for them. Haven't lost him yet. But his win is our win, proud of him being associated with the Lions. Quality dude.

Dan Campbell always says "Hey, when it's over, it's over, until then lets have fun with what we have."

That's the business - if you have ambition, if there's a fire inside you, then you have an obligation to find out where that can take you. Don't say no to open doors.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.

A link to back that up.

Good for him - dude is so selfless in his role in Detroit, love to see him getting interest.

Maybe he could hire his big bro to be his PA

Only Lions jersey I own is his.

Oh, heck yeah - easily the second most popular jersey in the Silverdome was #54. Barry #20 is the all-timer but you would still see 54s around a decade after he was done here.

Will always be grateful for what he accomplished on the front end of this rebuild.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff on Sheila Hamp:

"Shoot, Sheila has been as good as it gets across the league. I always think back to when she stood in front of all you guys and spoke that week. That was as strong as it gets, putting her faith in Dan and Brad and all of us.

A lot of owners won’t do that, don’t do that. It’s a lot easier to pull the plug in certain situations. What she’s done, and then obviously it trickles down to Brad and Dan and all of us, it’s been a fun team to be a part of and I couldn’t be happier."

Reminds me that around that same time (Oct 2022), Goff was called into Campbell's office after turning it over four times in Dallas. He thought he was getting benched. Instead Campbell breathed life into him. Before their chat, Goff had 11 TDs, 6 INT, and 4 lost fumbles in 6 games. Over the remainder of the season:

Year	Tm	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD
2022	DET	11	11	250	375	125	66.67	2855	18	1	104.3	11	64	7.61	8.45	18	46	2.56	0	1	1	5	5.00	0	100.0%	5.00	3	1	0	1	-1	0

 

[Zeppelin]

When you get good, you lose people. Other teams survive; we will too.

 

[Ilov80s]

When you get good, you lose people. Other teams survive; we will too.

I have to imagine there are good people below Ben, Glenn and Spielman who are learning from them and ready for an opportunity.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I see Cincinnati gave Lou Anurumo his walking papers.

Good he’s available in a month. Would be a high quality replacement to AG.

 

[Payne]

I think Spielman gets the job and takes Glenn with him.

For some reason, my gut thinks Johnson may stay.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Nobody knows anything

 

[jon_mx]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance Ben comes back? I would still bet against it, but we know how choosy he is, and as I look at the availabilities I see a whole lot of red flags. Bad owners, dumpster fire organizations, unclear org charts. Maybe he has enough juice that he can come in with his list of demands, but even that might not be enough. As great a job as Campbell has done, it's worth remembering that he benefitted from a clean slate and the arrival of other smart people who were not tied to the dysfunction of the past: Spielman, Holmes, and most notably Hamp Ford. I wonder -- and am glad we'll never have to find out -- how good a job Campbell and Holmes would have done if they were still dealing with dysfunction at the top.

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that other than the Jets, every team with an opening (Bears, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Pats) is keeping their GM. And all five of them have been tied to some level or dysfunction (not an uncommon trait among teams that have just fired their coach) and none of them really seem to have done anything to rectify that

If I was Ben I would stay. Detroit is setup to have great success for years to come. As long as the Lions have Sheila, Brad and Dan they are setup to succeed.

28 NFL franchises are filled with landmines. Certainly every franchise hiring new head coaches are a disaster with long odds of success. Ben could enjoy a really nice pay day, but in 3 years when his team is 7-10 and his head in on the chopping block will ut have been worth it?

IMHO, Ben has the best job in the NFL right now. He has got a great organization around him with a lot of great offensive players locked up for years to come. A $8 plus million raise is tempting, but he has a damn good thing going right now. Happiness without all the stress of an HC job while still making damn good money. And winning.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Anyone else think there's a decent chance Ben comes back? I would still bet against it, but we know how choosy he is, and as I look at the availabilities I see a whole lot of red flags. Bad owners, dumpster fire organizations, unclear org charts. Maybe he has enough juice that he can come in with his list of demands, but even that might not be enough. As great a job as Campbell has done, it's worth remembering that he benefitted from a clean slate and the arrival of other smart people who were not tied to the dysfunction of the past: Spielman, Holmes, and most notably Hamp Ford. I wonder -- and am glad we'll never have to find out -- how good a job Campbell and Holmes would have done if they were still dealing with dysfunction at the top.

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that other than the Jets, every team with an opening (Bears, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Pats) is keeping their GM. And all five of them have been tied to some level or dysfunction (not an uncommon trait among teams that have just fired their coach) and none of them really seem to have done anything to rectify that

If I was Ben I would stay. Detroit is setup to have great success for years to come. As long as the Lions have Sheila, Brad and Dan they are setup to succeed.

28 NFL franchises are filled with landmines. Certainly every franchise hiring new head coaches are a disaster with long odds of success. Ben could enjoy a really nice pay day, but in 3 years when his team is 7-10 and his head in on the chopping block will ut have been worth it?

IMHO, Ben has the best job in the NFL right now. He has got a great organization around him with a lot of great offensive players locked up for years to come. A $8 plus million raise is tempting, but he has a damn good thing going right now. Happiness without all the stress of an HC job while still making damn good money. And winning.

Around $10 mil per year difference, is that right?

ETA: I missed the 8mil is tempting the first time.

I can’t imagine passing up a raise of 8-10 mil a year but I’m poor so…I guess we will see

 

[Ilov80s]

I was thinking Ben to the Jags but I can’t believe they didn’t fire Baalke. That’s just too messy imo now.

 

[Da Guru]

Reported that Chris Spielman will be interviewed for Jets GM job.
Losing him would be major loss.
Came on board to make things right in Detroit after years in broadcast booth.
Was advisor to Sheila and said to have been responsible for hiring DC and Holmes. I remember reading that he was content working behind the scenes. So wonder what if anything has changed.

It would be a loss but not a major loss. The right people are now in place.

Chris does not draft or coach the players, he was part of the team that hired DC-Holmes who do that.

Not saying Sheila will miss him as a sounding board but With those two running the team the loss of Chris does not have as much impact on the actual teams success.

 

[RD1]

Way early question, but based on the reputations of Johnson and Glenn, and the likelihood they get a HC gig, will there be a Dan Campbell coaching tree?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Way early question, but based on the reputations of Johnson and Glenn, and the likelihood they get a HC gig, will there be a Dan Campbell coaching tree?

I think so but only time will tell.

There are a lot of younger assistant coaches on this team that are up and comers, on both sides of the ball.

But maybe not? He’s kind of one of one, and is more of an inspirational CEO style leader. There is no “Campbell system” a la the Bill Walsh or Mike Shanahan tree.

 

[Da Guru]

Way early question, but based on the reputations of Johnson and Glenn, and the likelihood they get a HC gig, will there be a Dan Campbell coaching tree?

I think so but only time will tell.

There are a lot of younger assistant coaches on this team that are up and comers, on both sides of the ball.

But maybe not? He’s kind of one of one, and is more of an inspirational CEO style leader. There is no “Campbell system” a la the Bill Walsh or Mike Shanahan tree.

Can AG and Ben try to copy the Lion formula? Yes

The problem with DCs tree is that no other coach can act like he does and get away with it..it is impossible to duplicate.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Way early question, but based on the reputations of Johnson and Glenn, and the likelihood they get a HC gig, will there be a Dan Campbell coaching tree?

I think so but only time will tell.

There are a lot of younger assistant coaches on this team that are up and comers, on both sides of the ball.

But maybe not? He’s kind of one of one, and is more of an inspirational CEO style leader. There is no “Campbell system” a la the Bill Walsh or Mike Shanahan tree.

Can AG and Ben try to copy the Lion formula? Yes

The problem with DCs tree is that no other coach can act like he does and get away with it..it is impossible to duplicate.

I could see it going either way. On the one hand, DC is kind of a unicorn. On the other, unlike a certain former Pats coach, he seems like the kind of leader who empowers those below him. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he’s spent the past couple years prepping both his coordinators for the jobs they will eventually get

 

[jon_mx]

Amon-Ra rocking the Honolulu blue hair for the playoffs again.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Way early question, but based on the reputations of Johnson and Glenn, and the likelihood they get a HC gig, will there be a Dan Campbell coaching tree?

I think so but only time will tell.

There are a lot of younger assistant coaches on this team that are up and comers, on both sides of the ball.

But maybe not? He’s kind of one of one, and is more of an inspirational CEO style leader. There is no “Campbell system” a la the Bill Walsh or Mike Shanahan tree.

Can AG and Ben try to copy the Lion formula? Yes

The problem with DCs tree is that no other coach can act like he does and get away with it..it is impossible to duplicate.

I could see it going either way. On the one hand, DC is kind of a unicorn. On the other, unlike a certain former Pats coach, he seems like the kind of leader who empowers those below him. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he’s spent the past couple years prepping both his coordinators for the jobs they will eventually get

Right, and it seems to extend outward. Those guys turn around and develop their assistants, who then give their quality control guys tasks that grow then for a larger role.

Thats what I truly admire Allen Park, and I think this part Sheila pushed on & Brad/Dan bought into 100%. Nobody knows everything. I remember year one when they were still trying to figure out what kind of leader MCDC was the beats about the role of the alpha.

“A true alpha knows how to lead, but it’s even more important to trust the people working for you. Just get out of the way, they know what they’re doing. I know they’re detail oriented, we look at everything, not just route concepts or scheme, but even right down to where your feet are pointed pre-snap. We set the bar, myself, Ben, AG and Dave, but it’s the players and the assistants that upholds the standard. The alpha leads, but we need everyone on staff to know they’re here for a reason. Their job matters. It’s all in the details, everything we do here is important.”

If you have ever worked for a great boss or had a job you looked forward to doing, then you recognize what that have at Allen Park. It’s a great place to work. That’s why they have had great continuity, because it’s an environment you can succeed in.

It’s true you cannot clone Dan, he’s a one-off. But you can go about building an org the right way, and that part is repeatable. That can translate when Ben and Aaron go on to their own gigs.

 

[jon_mx]

I think people underestimate just how much of an understanding MCDC actually has of every aspect of building a team. I think Campbell and Holmes are indispensable part of the formula. Aaron Glenn has the passion and personality it takes to be a head coach and Ben Johnson has the wisdom to run a great offense. I am not sure either has the total package to be great HC right now. Especially Ben who might have the respect around the league, but does he have the relationships to pull in great assistance coaches? And neither is going to have a Holmes pulling in the talent through the draft.

 

[Zeppelin]

Hank Fraley will interview Friday for the Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator job.

 

[Payne]

Hank Fraley will interview Friday for the Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator job.

A potential Ben Johnson replacement. Not good.

 

[Zeppelin]

Hank Fraley will interview Friday for the Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator job.

A potential Ben Johnson replacement. Not good.

I think Ben Johnson would try to take Fraley with him if he got a head coaching job. Fraley is one of the best offensive line coaches in the league.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Hank Fraley will interview Friday for the Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator job.

A potential Ben Johnson replacement. Not good.

I don’t think so? But as an OL coach he is elite.

Again, really happy to see these guys drawing interest. Get used to it, this is life at the top.

 

[Moonlight]

Way early question, but based on the reputations of Johnson and Glenn, and the likelihood they get a HC gig, will there be a Dan Campbell coaching tree?

I think so but only time will tell.

There are a lot of younger assistant coaches on this team that are up and comers, on both sides of the ball.

But maybe not? He’s kind of one of one, and is more of an inspirational CEO style leader. There is no “Campbell system” a la the Bill Walsh or Mike Shanahan tree.

Can AG and Ben try to copy the Lion formula? Yes

The problem with DCs tree is that no other coach can act like he does and get away with it..it is impossible to duplicate.

I could see it going either way. On the one hand, DC is kind of a unicorn. On the other, unlike a certain former Pats coach, he seems like the kind of leader who empowers those below him. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he’s spent the past couple years prepping both his coordinators for the jobs they will eventually get

Right, and it seems to extend outward. Those guys turn around and develop their assistants, who then give their quality control guys tasks that grow then for a larger role.

Thats what I truly admire Allen Park, and I think this part Sheila pushed on & Brad/Dan bought into 100%. Nobody knows everything. I remember year one when they were still trying to figure out what kind of leader MCDC was the beats about the role of the alpha.

“A true alpha knows how to lead, but it’s even more important to trust the people working for you. Just get out of the way, they know what they’re doing. I know they’re detail oriented, we look at everything, not just route concepts or scheme, but even right down to where your feet are pointed pre-snap. We set the bar, myself, Ben, AG and Dave, but it’s the players and the assistants that upholds the standard. The alpha leads, but we need everyone on staff to know they’re here for a reason. Their job matters. It’s all in the details, everything we do here is important.”

If you have ever worked for a great boss or had a job you looked forward to doing, then you recognize what that have at Allen Park. It’s a great place to work. That’s why they have had great continuity, because it’s an environment you can succeed in.

It’s true you cannot clone Dan, he’s a one-off. But you can go about building an org the right way, and that part is repeatable. That can translate when Ben and Aaron go on to their own gigs.

Hank Fraley will interview Friday for the Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator job.

A potential Ben Johnson replacement. Not good.

I think Ben Johnson would try to take Farley with him if he got a head coaching job. Farley is one of the best offensive line coaches in the league.

Fraley is being interviewed for an OC position with the Seahawks.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If a coach leaves to go elsewhere for a promotion to another team I'm assuming he wasn't going to be offered the same promotion here. Why jump off the Love Boat to hitch a ride to what could be the S.S. Titanic.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

If a coach leaves to go elsewhere for a promotion to another team I'm assuming he wasn't going to be offered the same promotion here. Why jump off the Love Boat to hitch a ride to what could be the S.S. Titanic.

money

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If a coach leaves to go elsewhere for a promotion to another team I'm assuming he wasn't going to be offered the same promotion here. Why jump off the Love Boat to hitch a ride to what could be the S.S. Titanic.

money

From what I've read assistant wages are rarely released so it's impossible to know for sure if that's the reason for leaving. But they generally fall into a range that's not totally out of whack.