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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-1 Gentle Ben and Da Bears coming to town. (146 Viewers)

Even if Lions won last week the not sure they would beat the Eagle team we watched today. Been a tough matchup with a banged up defense..
Would have been a completely different game in Detroit.
I was bummed watching the game and realizing how beatable the Commanders are.
I didn’t think playing the game in Detroit would have made a difference. It didn’t with Washington. We were going to lose eventually to one of the strongest teams. Didn’t think it would be Washington though.

Philly was able to get pressure rushing 4. Lions couldn’t. Our defense was mush.
 
Very surprised that GM Brad Holmes spoke for so long and not once did bring up the "Hendon Hooker Situation"
That’s an interesting catch. I don’t think there’s any issue about Goff being the starter.
Also don’t think there was any mention of Vaki either. My point being that there has been previous positive press about both Vaki and Hooker. I didn’t take much from Bridgewater being made # 2 QB. I think both Vaki and Hooker continue to be in the Lions future plans.

Define future? I don't think Hooker has any future in Detriot unless there is an injury or he wants to be the backup for an other 5ish years.
There’s also the possibility that Goff bombs in the playoffs again next year. Based on how he has played the last two and a half years odds are against it.

In the playoffs There was extreme pressure on Goff and the offense to carry the team because of a poor defense.

Oddly you can say the offense came through because of scoring 31 points and gaining 500yds but yet those were bad INTs. I

It would make sense to see more of Hooker next year. To see if he has the talent and composure to succeed and to better market him if you decide to trade him later. I don’t think the Lions will though.
They spent time early on to increase Goff’s confidence and it has paid off.

Hooker was said to have first round talent. He’s a mobile QB. Lions have preached the best player will start. If Goff bombs in the playoffs next year, you have to consider a change despite the contract.
 
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Lions are interviewing Broncos passing game coordinator John Morton for OC. He was on staff in 2022. WMU grad, Campbell has spoken very highly of him in the past.
 
The Lions have themselves a strong roster with over $50 million in cap space entering 2025, so a wave of releases is not mandatory for Brad Holmes and company. That being said, a penny saved is a penny earned, and there is opportunity for the Lions to part ways with some inefficient contracts.

Before we get into details on who could be on the outs this offseason, we need to establish some of the big-name contracts that are not going anywhere. Quarterback Jared Goff has the highest salary on the entire roster, with a 2025 hit of over $32 million. Despite the subpar playoff performance from Goff against the Washington Commanders, the Lions are not going to move on from him—this is not even under consideration. The same can be said about the remaining cap hits over $10 million. Taylor Decker and Frank Ragnow are both staples of the offensive line, so barring a surprise retirement, they are here to stay for 2025. Amon-Ra St. Brown and Aidan Hutchinson are no-brainers, which Hutchinson likely to earn himself a sizable contract before long—which, if designed properly, could actually lower his 2025 cap hit. The remaining name on that eight-figure salary list is DJ Reader, a cut that would save nearly $8 million, but given his production, value to the front seven, and lack of quality depth at defensive tackle, it would be a shocking move.

9 Detroit Lions salary cap casualty candidates for the 2025 offseason


Za’Darius Smith, DL

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $5,727,500
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $0 dead cap, $5,727,500 savings in 2025*
  • Cut probability: High
Acquired midseason for a pair of draft picks, Smith provided some much-needed pass rush for a post-Hutchinson defensive line, but it sadly was not enough to get them over the playoff hump. The Lions are now footing the bill of the Cleveland Browns’ extension from last March. Because he was acquired via trade, his contract is somewhat complicated to process.

The Lions can incur a $0 dead cap hit only if he is cut before March 15 (the third day of the new league year). If he is on the roster after March 15, his $2 million signing bonus from his Browns contract kicks in. Cutting him after this date would convert that bonus into dead cap. Meanwhile, Smith has four years of prorated option bonuses (three of which are void years) at $1.75 million per year—these bonuses are due a week before the 2025 regular season begins. If Smith is on the roster in September with his current contract, the Lions would be on the hook for the entirety of that $6.9 million option bonus.

Officially, Smith has one year remaining on his deal and would become a free agent in 2026. However, based on how the Browns structured his contract, he would have a cap hit of over $5 million in 2026 regardless of whether he re-signed in Detroit or elsewhere—void years spread the signing bonusover multiple seasons, such as Carlton Davis’ contract.

There is no incentive for the Lions to keep Smith on his current contract—they do not want to be on the hook for his prorated option bonuses. If they are aiming to get out of his contract before September, they might as well do it before March 15 to avoid his $2 million signing bonus as well. The only two ways I see Smith sticking around next season is either via a contract restructure or cutting then re-signing him.

Graham Glasgow, OL

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $7,437,500
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $5,312,500 dead cap, $2,125,000 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Medium
As predicted, the Lions boasted a great offensive line during the 2024 season. Free agent acquisition Kevin Zeitler was stellar at right guard, as were Taylor Decker, Frank Ragnow, and Penei Sewell. The odd man out was Glasgow, whose efficiency plummeted as the season progressed. Coupled with the phenomenal (albeit limited) play of rookie Christian Mahogany, Glasgow was arguably the sixth-best lineman on the team.

The Lions signed Glasgow to a three-year, $20 million deal last March to reward a fantastic return to Detroit in 2023, but the first season of that deal was subpar. Entering his age-33 season, it is more likely that Glasgow is on the downswing of his career. Cutting Glasgow would incur a not-insignificant $5.3 million dead cap hit, but it would save around $2 million on a declining player.

The argument for keeping Glasgow is twofold. Firstly, a below-average starter is still above-average depth, and with Glasgow’s ability to play either guard spot and center, he would be a fantastic backup. Additionally, Zeitler is a pending free agent, so cutting Glasgow could mean changing both starting guards. Mahogany seems primed for a starting role next season, but that would still leave another opening if Zeitler leaves. I would not be in a rush to replace Glasgow without a plan in place—keep Glasgow and let him battle for a starting role with Mahogany, a free agent, and/or a rookie.

I think that the Lions will keep Glasgow, perhaps restructuring his contract in some way, but I do not believe he is a lock to start next season.

Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $4,645,000
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $2,750,000 dead cap, $1,895,000 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Medium
After being a special teams All-Pro in 2023, 2024 was a rough year for Reeves-Maybin. He missed multiple weeks with a neck injury and finished the year with zero special teams tackles, normally his specialty. The Lions only punted 46 times last season which, coupled with the new kickoff format, likely contributed to a sharp statistical decline. His limited snaps on defense were not overly impressive either, and he was clearly a tertiary option behind Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell, Malcolm Rodriguez, and free agent Derrick Barnes.

Reeves-Maybin is a valued member of the special teams unit, but the numbers could be working against him. He will be 30 years old in a few weeks, and while he still has some good seasons ahead of him, you have to question the value of an aging special teamer. The Lions have Rodriguez under contract, who is an upgrade on defense, while Barnes is a strong candidate to re-sign in Detroit. Meanwhile, pending free agents Trevor Nowaske, Anthony Pittman, and Ben Niemann could be cheaper depth alternatives.

Kalif Raymond, WR

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $6,376,471
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $3,100,000 dead cap, $3,276,471 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Low
Almost unthinkable a year ago, Raymond’s contract and production puts him in a tough spot for the Lions. The two-time All-Pro has not only shined as a returner during his Lions tenure, but also as a contributor on offense. His 2024 season was by far his worst offensively in Detroit, however. Limited to 12 games due to a foot injury, Raymond had just 215 receiving yards on the year. Even prior to his injury, he was an afterthought in the Lions offense, with Tim Patrick instead grabbing a larger receiving role.

Raymond had the most punt return yards of his career (413 yards, which led the league) and added a punt return touchdown as well. The question is not his return ability, but whether the Lions want to pay over $6 million for a returner with a lessening impact on offense.

There is a chance that the Lions try to rework his contract, but I think an outright cut is unlikely. The reason? They have almost no alternative on the roster. When Raymond was out, the replacement returners included Amon-Ra St. Brown, Tom Kennedy, and Maurice Alexander. St. Brown is a valued starter and should not be risked on special teams. Kennedy has one career punt return to his name. Alexander is a talented returner, but has essentially no NFL experience on offense, limiting his value. Also of note, he was not signed to a futures contract last week. With Patrick a pending free agent, the Lions are low on receiving depth as well. I think Raymond sticks around barring a bold release.
 

Alex Anzalone, LB

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $7,258,824
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $2,400,000 dead cap, $4,858,824 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Very low

Amik Robertson, CB

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $6,400,000
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $1,650,000 dead cap, $4,750,000 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Very low
The Lions have a pair of defensive starters with intriguing potential cap savings in the $4.8 million range. The Lions have some young players ready to take up their starting roles, so the Lions could save some money while opening up a spot atop the depth chart. Jack Campbell is viewed as the eventual leader of the linebacking corps, while Ennis Rakestraw has the talent to develop into a capable cornerback on the outside or at nickel.

The argument for cutting Anzalone and Robertson ends there, however. As we witnessed this past season, defensive depth is critical. When the Lions lost Derrick Barnes, it led to an increased role for Campbell, a role that he proved capable of handling. Now that Barnes is a pending free agent, the Lions cannot afford to sacrifice further linebacking depth. Anzalone was playing at a high level in 2024 as well. If his play dips, they can let him walk in 2026 free agency. There is no urgency to cut ties with Anzalone this year.

At cornerback, meanwhile, Carlton Davis is also hitting free agency this year. Are the Lions really looking to save a few million dollars by replacing a solid cornerback like Robertson with an unproven player like Rakestraw? Robertson quietly had a great season for Detroit, and his current deal is fantastic value for a player of his caliber with his inside/outside potential. Also, he will be just 27 years old next season, far from an aged veteran.

There is more to football than saving money, and this is a lesson why looking purely at cap savings is not wise. The Lions need to add to their existing talent, not cut ties with capable players for unnecessary cap savings.

Josh Paschal, DL

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $2,461,346
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $701,483 dead cap, $1,759,863 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Very low
Paschal ended up being one of the more important members of the Lions’ front seven due to a barrage of injuries. He finished the season with the most snaps of any edge defender, trailing only Levi Onwuzurike and Alim McNeill in terms of defensive line snaps.

It was not an overly productive time in the starting lineup, however. Paschal finished with just two sacks, although both came in pivotal moments against the Minnesota Vikings and Houston Texans. He was more good than great on the year, and the Lions could stand to upgrade from him this offseason.

That being said, I think there is a very low chance that the Lions cut ties with Paschal. He can be a capable rotational end with inside and outside versatility, much like pending free agent John Cominsky. The Lions were completely gutted along the defensive line this season, highlighting the importance of good depth. Paschal is unlikely to turn into a player of Hutchinson’s caliber, but there is still value in a backup that can step in effectively. I do not believe that the Lions could get a player that is better, cheaper, and younger than Paschal.

Hendon Hooker, QB

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $1,559,735
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $579,646 dead cap, $980,089 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Very low

Brodric Martin, DT

  • 2025 Cap Hit: $1,446,568
  • Pre-June 1 Cut: $428,756 dead cap, $1,017812 savings in 2025
  • Cut probability: Very low
I am going to group these two together. For one, they came into the league as 2023 third-round picks for the Lions, hence their similar contracts. These are also two players that have not shown much in the NFL yet: Hooker has been limited to a backup for his entire career thus far, even getting demoted to third-string for the Lions’ playoff game against the Commanders for a recently-retired Teddy Bridgewater. Martin, meanwhile, was a frequent inactive, often getting passed on the depth chart by players like Myles Adams or Chris Smith.

On paper, saving a million and change for a low-impact player seems reasonable, but this is extreme penny pinching that the Lions are unlikely to explore. These players were drafted for their upside, and they are just entering year three of their careers. To cut bait with their untapped potential to save a few million between them would go against Holmes’ track record. Levi Onwuzurike and Derrick Barnes are two examples of players that took a few seasons to bloom into capable defenders. Hooker or Martin could feasibly get cut in 2025 depending on the other offseason moves, but that will only happen during final roster cuts, not as an early offseason cap-saving move. If the Lions are this desperate for cap space, something has gone horribly wrong—and even then, restructuring a different contract would make more sense than either of these cuts.
 

Exit Interviews: Lions couldn't have asked for much more out of Goff in ninth season​


Wrapping up the Detroit Lions 2024 season, let’s do an evaluation of the roster, position-by-position. Today, we’ll zero in on the quarterback play.

The straightforward stats

Jared Goff: 17 starts, 539 passing attempts, 390 completions, 72.4 completion percentage, 37 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 111.8 passer rating

Hendon Hooker: Three appearances, nine pass attempts, six completions, 66.7 completion percentage, 62 yards, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions, 86.3 passer rating

Advanced metrics

Goff thrived against the blitz and when operating from play-action. When blitzed, he still completed better than 70% of his throws with a better passer rating than his overall number (120.4).

That passer rating was nearly identical when executing a run fake. Goff continues to be among the best in the league in play-action situations, completing 74.2% of his 213 attempts for 2,139 yards, 16 touchdowns and five interceptions.

Goff did see a decline in air yards per attempt. Focused more on quick throws and getting the ball to his receivers in space, Goff's pass attempts traveled an average of 6.8 yards. That's his lowest distance since 2021, ranking 25th in the league. The benefits of this approach were his targets saw a career-best 3.8 yards in separation and led the league in average yards after the catch (6.69 yards).

Best performance

Statistically, Goff delivered a perfect passer rating in a 52-6 dismantling of the Jacksonville Jaguars, completing 24-of-29 for 412 yards and four touchdowns. However, his Week 7 outing against Minnesota was better considering the opponent, the contest being on the road, and the need to lead a game-winning drive.

In that victory over the then-undefeated Vikings, Goff completed 22-of-25 (two of the three incompletions were batted at the line of scrimmage) for 280 yards and two scores. He steered the team into field-goal range with two throws for 30 yards in the final 90 seconds, setting up kneel downs ahead of Jakes Bates’ game-winner.

Worst performance

Like most players, Goff's season wasn't without some duds, including two of the team's three losses. But given the game's magnitude, there's no way to look past his performance in the team's Divisional round loss to Washington.

Not only did Goff lose a fumble in the red zone in the early stages of the matchup, but he also threw three interceptions, including two where he broke from his trend of sound decision-making, attempting more aggressive downfield throws instead of check-downs to open receivers underneath. Plenty went wrong in the defeat, but the Lions would have had a chance to overcome without those costly turnovers.

Where QB play got better in 2024

Playoff exit aside, almost everywhere. In Goff's ninth season, he took steps forward in his decision-making, accuracy, comfort level in the pocket and overall mastery of the offense.
Understanding his athletic limitations in an era increasingly dominated by dual-threats at the position, Goff continues to prove a team can consistently win with an efficient and competent pocket passer.

Goff reads defenses well, makes key adjustments at the line of scrimmage, gets the ball out quickly, and highlighted by the league-leading YAC production for his pass-catchers, he's putting them in the best positions to succeed.

Despite the decline in air yards per attempt, Goff showed continued effectiveness as a selective deep-ball passer, particularly sharp improvements in his chemistry with Jameson Williams.

Goff's overall efficiency peaked in the various metrics that demonstrate that. In 2024, his passer rating, QBR, average yards per attempt and success rate were all career highs.

Areas of needed improvement

Goff's interception rate during the regular season was his highest since 2020, but still palatable. He had some bad reads early in the campaign, and some obviously regrettable throws in the loss to Washington, but the figure is inflated by a five-pick outing against Houston, where most of those turnovers weren't his fault.

As with all quarterbacks, Goff has room to grow when under duress. His completion percentage and passer rating in those situations have steadily improved over the past two seasons. Still, a third of his interceptions were directly tied to pressure.

Continued offseason work with Williams at Goff's home in California should undoubtedly pay additional dividends. The quarterback's most significant focus should be getting on the same page with the team's next offensive coordinator, whether that's an internal or external hire, to emulate the chemistry the QB had with Ben Johnson.

Long-term vision at position

Despite the late-season re-addition of Teddy Bridgewater to serve as Goff’s primary backup in the postseason, nothing has changed with how the team views the immediate future of the position.

Goff is firmly entrenched as the starter. The four-year, $212 million extension he signed last offseason kicks in next season. That deal includes a no-trade clause, which prevents the Lions from abruptly reversing course like the Rams did after similarly agreeing to an extension with Goff in 2020. Not that the scenario is even a consideration.

As for the backup spot, there was elevated concern about Hooker’s long-term prospects after the team brought Bridgewater in for the playoffs, but that plan was in the works for months. Think of the move as enhanced insurance to protect the team’s Super Bowl aspirations had Goff gone down with injury.
Bridgewater gave them an experienced option to steady the ship if needed. It was simply too much to put on Hooker’s shoulders, given he was essentially a rookie after missing most of his first season, and he has yet to play a meaningful regular-season snap.

Going back to the offseason program, Hooker made tremendous strides in his development. After the team reworked his mechanics, he went from wildly inconsistent in the early stages of the spring to emerging as the right choice on the strength of his preseason showing. A second, full offseason with the bolstered confidence from those preseason performances should enhance the Lions' comfort to lean on him as a backup, regardless of the magnitude of the game.

Plus, it’s critical the Lions maintain cost efficiency behind Goff. With the starter’s cap hits set to escalate to $69.6 million, $54.6 million and $61.6 from 2026-2028, the team can’t reasonably afford to also pay a top veteran backup. Hooker’s cap hit the next two years averages around $1.7 million.
 
Very surprised that GM Brad Holmes spoke for so long and not once did bring up the "Hendon Hooker Situation"
That’s an interesting catch. I don’t think there’s any issue about Goff being the starter.
Also don’t think there was any mention of Vaki either. My point being that there has been previous positive press about both Vaki and Hooker. I didn’t take much from Bridgewater being made # 2 QB. I think both Vaki and Hooker continue to be in the Lions future plans.

Define future? I don't think Hooker has any future in Detriot unless there is an injury or he wants to be the backup for an other 5ish years.
There’s also the possibility that Goff bombs in the playoffs again next year. Based on how he has played the last two and a half years odds are against it.

In the playoffs There was extreme pressure on Goff and the offense to carry the team because of a poor defense.

Oddly you can say the offense came through because of scoring 31 points and gaining 500yds but yet those were bad INTs. I

It would make sense to see more of Hooker next year. To see if he has the talent and composure to succeed and to better market him if you decide to trade him later. I don’t think the Lions will though.
They spent time early on to increase Goff’s confidence and it has paid off.

Hooker was said to have first round talent. He’s a mobile QB. Lions have preached the best player will start. If Goff bombs in the playoffs next year, you have to consider a change despite the contract.

Absolutely no chance. Goff would have to be awful for the entire season and even then I doubt it becauae they would want to give him a chance to grow with the new coordinators. The only way is injury. Goff has played four playoff games with the Lions and three of them have been really good.

Just because Hooker was thought to be a first round doesn't mean anything. What means something is the fact that Holmes came out and said Jared is the guy, it matters they gave him a huge contract, it matters that the Lions would rather take a 32 year old qb that retired that didn't train with the team all year and taught science as their back up qb over a 26 year guy that was with the team all year.
 
Goff will turn 34 in the final year of his extension, 2028. There is every reason to think they will get full value on their investment.

Expiring Contracts
  • 2029 (1) Sewell
  • 2028 (4) Goff, St Brown, McNeil, Arnold
  • 2027 (9) Gibbs, Montgomery, Vaki, Decker, Mahogany, Manu, Wingo, Jack Campbell, Rakestraw
  • 2026 (12) Hooker, Jamo, LaPorta, Wright, Glasgow, Ragnow, Sorsdal, Hutchinson, Martin, Branch, Mr Jack Fox, Hatten
 
Goff will turn 34 in the final year of his extension, 2028. There is every reason to think they will get full value on their investment.

Expiring Contracts
  • 2029 (1) Sewell
  • 2028 (4) Goff, St Brown, McNeil, Arnold
  • 2027 (9) Gibbs, Montgomery, Vaki, Decker, Mahogany, Manu, Wingo, Jack Campbell, Rakestraw
  • 2026 (12) Hooker, Jamo, LaPorta, Wright, Glasgow, Ragnow, Sorsdal, Hutchinson, Martin, Branch, Mr Jack Fox, Hatten

Next offseason is going to be a rough one. A lot of good player to resign and it is difficult to see the Lions being able to afford them all.
 
Those years must after that season. LaPorta's class have only played 2 seasons so they have 2 more before hitting FA.
 
Those years must after that season. LaPorta's class have only played 2 seasons so they have 2 more before hitting FA.

By expiring contracts I meant to convey the final year they are signed through. Technically they expire at the end of the league year - first week of March - so +1 from what I listed if one is feeling pedantic.
 
Anyone else feel the need to double check that John Morton was a different person from former Lions WR Johnnie Morton?

I'm a little surprised that they're bringing in someone from outside(ish) over Engstrand and Scottie. I wonder what that means for those two, especially Tanner. Now that Ben has hired his own OC, I see little upside in Tanner following him there for a lateral move (Lions could presumably block that if they wanted).

As for Morton, I know very little about him. The fact that he spent a single year as OC of a 5-11 Jets team before getting fired doesn't inspire a ton of confidence, although it's also true he was dealing with the likes of Josh McCown, Bilal Powell, final-season Matt Forte and Robby Robbie Chosen Anderson. Also, I had originally assumed he got fired after one year because the Jets cleaned house, but Todd Bowles actually stuck around for another year before getting fired, so he affirmatively chose to fire Morton while keeping his DC ... who, coincidentally, was Kacy Rogers.

So I guess I'll just fall back on my mantra, which is that I trust Holmes and Campbell to get this right
 
By the way, it kinda sucks that Ben is leaving (and taking a couple good coaches with him), but the counterexamples around the league demonstrate this could have been worse.

First of all, there's Bobby Slowik. Last year he and Ben were being discussed in the same breath as promising OCs who turned down HC opportunities to further grow in their roles. While the Lions offense went up another level, Houston's regressed, and Slowik was fired. His HC chances appear to be dead for now (though NFL coaches are always capable of making a comeback).

Meanwhile, Liam Cohen is this year's darling. He turned down the Jags, then seemingly went behind Tampa's back to continue negotiating and seems to have left some bad blood behind (although I'm generally reluctant to blame anyone for doing what they needed to do to get a big promotion). As a result Bucs fans spent last week on an emotional roller coaster.

All in all, I think the Ben situation worked out about as well as we could have hoped a year ago ... well, aside from the obvious fact that we were hoping that if he did leave it would be after a SB victory
 
Morton is solid. He’s worked on the same staff as Campbell and worked for him 3 years ago. Coincidently, was Jim Harbaugh’s college OC the same year Tanner Engstrand was a first year grad assistant. Familiarity on several levels.

Nice balance to the Sheppard hire. The new DC is in his 5th year as an assistant, only other experience since retiring was a year doing player development at his alma mater (LSU) and coaching youth football. You’re taking a big swing on a bright young (37) coach who is a great teacher and understands every aspect of the incumbent defensive philosophy.

Contrast that with the 55-year Morton, a 27-year grinder (22 in the NFL) who has worked with some of best head coaches of this era. Had phenomenal success as an OC in college; his lone year with a talent-starved Jets team saw them go from 28th to 10th in scoring. Clashed with Todd Bowles philosophically, so what? Dan is obviously a big fan. Doubt they would be bringing him back on staff unless he had good relations with the guys he coached or were on staff a couple years ago.

Seems like a pretty solid hire to me.

:shrug:
 
2025 Road Games within reasonable travel distance:
  • Washington (12-5)
  • Philadelphia (14-3)
  • Baltimore (12-5)
Definitely want to return to Baltimore. We’re overdue to visit Philly friends who have come up to see us often. The in-laws are close to Northwest Stadium + BIL has a tenant who works for the Commanders, could get us good tix.

We’ll see how the dates fall but might do all 3.
 
2025 Road Games within reasonable travel distance:
  • Washington (12-5)
  • Philadelphia (14-3)
  • Baltimore (12-5)
Definitely want to return to Baltimore. We’re overdue to visit Philly friends who have come up to see us often. The in-laws are close to Northwest Stadium + BIL has a tenant who works for the Commanders, could get us good tix.

We’ll see how the dates fall but might do all 3.
I'm thinking of the Washington game, too. My dad, a lifelong fan, lives in the DMV, and I think it would be really special to fly up with my youngest son and go to the game together (brother and nephew would probably want to come, too)
 
2025 Road Games within reasonable travel distance:
  • Washington (12-5)
  • Philadelphia (14-3)
  • Baltimore (12-5)
Definitely want to return to Baltimore. We’re overdue to visit Philly friends who have come up to see us often. The in-laws are close to Northwest Stadium + BIL has a tenant who works for the Commanders, could get us good tix.

We’ll see how the dates fall but might do all 3.
I'm thinking of the Washington game, too. My dad, a lifelong fan, lives in the DMV, and I think it would be really special to fly up with my youngest son and go to the game together (brother and nephew would probably want to come, too)
I will most likely be at the Washington game. I do a ton of work in DC and a lot of folks are already talking about it.
 
2025 Road Games within reasonable travel distance:
  • Washington (12-5)
  • Philadelphia (14-3)
  • Baltimore (12-5)
Definitely want to return to Baltimore. We’re overdue to visit Philly friends who have come up to see us often. The in-laws are close to Northwest Stadium + BIL has a tenant who works for the Commanders, could get us good tix.

We’ll see how the dates fall but might do all 3.
I'm thinking of the Washington game, too. My dad, a lifelong fan, lives in the DMV, and I think it would be really special to fly up with my youngest son and go to the game together (brother and nephew would probably want to come, too)
I will most likely be at the Washington game. I do a ton of work in DC and a lot of folks are already talking about it.

Road games have become a really special experience the last few years. Of course there are a lot of new fans, but there’s also a cadre of longtime diehards who have been meeting up for years. It’s pretty awesome to come in the day before a game and see the entire downtown of another city be overwhelmed by a sea of thousands of fans decked out in Honolulu blue.

It’s a blast. The game itself is almost tertiary because the true joy is from making new friends and trash talking with the locals.
 

Lions set to hire former assistant, Michigan native John Morton as offensive coordinator


Allen Park — Dan Campbell said he wouldn't rush to replace his coordinators if they got hired away as he expected. Still, a week after the Detroit Lions coach made those comments, he's backfilled both positions.

The Lions are closing in on formalizing a deal with the Denver Broncos pass game coordinator John Morton, bringing back the veteran assistant who was on staff in 2022.

Morton, 55, is a Michigan native who played wide receiver for Avondale High School in Auburn Hills and collegiately at Western Michigan. His four-year professional career took him to Canada and Europe before he accepted a job in the Raiders pro personnel department in 1998.

Morton moved into a coaching role a year later, starting a career that's spanned more than two decades and seen him work under some of the game's top coaches.

With the Raiders, he worked his way up from a low-level quality control position to leading the team's tight ends in 2004. From there, he had brief stints at the University of San Diego and the New Orleans Saints.

Morton worked as Jim Harbaugh's passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach at San Diego. During that one season, the team went 11-1 and averaged 42.6 points per game. Also on that staff was first-year graduate assistant Tanner Engstrand, who now serves as Detroit's pass game coordinator. Additionally, Lions assistant offensive line coach Steve Oliver was a senior offensive lineman for the Toros.

The following year, Morton took a job on Sean Payton's staff in New Orleans. Working with the first-year head coach and newly signed quarterback Drew Brees, the Saints went from 3-13 to 10-6. After ranking 20th in scoring the previous season, the team scored the most points in the league during Morton's one year on staff.

Morton parlayed those two seasons of success into a job on Pete Carroll's staff at USC. After two seasons as Carroll's offensive coordinator, Morton got the bump to offensive coordinator. He retained the job when Lane Kiffin took over for Carroll, although Morton ceded play-calling duties to Kiffin for the 2010 season.

During his four years with the Trojans, the team averaged at least 30 points three times. But after having play-calling duties revoked, Morton resigned and took another job with Harbaugh, who was then coaching the San Francisco 49ers.

For the next six seasons, Morton would coach the position he played, wide receiver, first with Harbaugh in San Francisco, then back with Payton in New Orleans. During that career stretch, Morton worked with many top talents, including Michael Crabtree, Mario Manningham, Braylon Edwards, Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin, Brandin Cooks, Michael Thomas and Marques Colston.

Morton briefly overlapped with Campbell on New Orleans' staff in 2016.

In 2017, Morton earned his first NFL coordinating job with the New York Jets. The stint lasted just one year and there were reports of philosophical disagreements with coach Todd Bowles over play-calling strategy.

Regardless, it would have been difficult for anyone to succeed with the offense Morton inherited. The unit had finished 28th in scoring the year before and was led by Josh McCown at quarterback, Bilal Powell and running back, while the team's top pass-catchers were Jermaine Kearse and Robbie Chosen.

Despite that lackluster personnel, Morton squeezed the best year of McCown's career out of the quarterback. He finished with a respectable 94.5 passer rating, and the Jets averaged nearly seven more points than the previous season.

After being fired by Bowles, Morton started a second stint with another former employer, joining Gruden's Raiders as a senior assistant. In three seasons with the team, they improved from 28th to 10th in scoring.

That led to a brief one-year stint in Detroit in 2022, Ben Johnson's first as coordinator. He, quarterback Jared Goff and Campbell were all complimentary of Morton's impact behind the scenes.

"John Morton, man, Johnny's a superstar now and there's a number of things that he did for us last year that are things that we've kept," Campbell said after Morton departed for a job in Denver. "And I really feel like that helped Tanner (Engstrand) as well. And he took a lot of that, and he learned from that, and he's grown from that. So, he's in a good spot. He's an asset for us."

In Denver, Morton linked up with Payton for a third time. As the pass game coordinator for the Broncos, Morton led the team to a top-10 finish in passer rating in 2023 before helping Bo Nix exceed expectations as a rookie for the AFC Wild Card qualifier.

In Detroit, Morton will inherit an offense that set franchise records for yards, points and touchdowns in 2024, led the league in scoring last season, and has finished top-five in that category the past three years.

Campbell said last week he would emphasize finding an offensive coordinator who would provide continuity for Goff. The coach intended to weigh the quarterback's opinions before making a hire.

"The system was kind of built from the ground up, and it was to help him and for him to be a part of," Campbell said about the quarterback. "So, yeah, that's huge, he'll have a lot of input. What he says is going to have a — says a lot to me, I should say. Now, is it going to be the ultimate decision? No, it's not, but what he says is going to mean a lot to me."

Morton fills Detroit’s offensive coordinator vacancy days after the team promoted linebacker coach Kelvin Sheppard to serve as the team’s defensive coordinator.
 
BTW….none of this Morton is the new OC stuff has been confirmed, right? Still in flux AFAIK.



[Al Karsten]

A promising aspect of the potential John Morton OC hire is that notable offensive HCs have hired him multiple times:

• Sean Payton - 3x (5 Seasons)
• Jon Gruden - 2x (7 Seasons)
• Jim Harbaugh - 2x (5 Seasons)
- Plus another two seasons on 2002-03 OAK staff together

This would be the third time Morton worked with both Dan Campbell and potentially Tanner Engstrand. Kacy Rodgers also worked with him in NYJ previously.
 
2025 Road Games within reasonable travel distance:
  • Washington (12-5)
  • Philadelphia (14-3)
  • Baltimore (12-5)
Definitely want to return to Baltimore. We’re overdue to visit Philly friends who have come up to see us often. The in-laws are close to Northwest Stadium + BIL has a tenant who works for the Commanders, could get us good tix.

We’ll see how the dates fall but might do all 3.
I'm thinking of the Washington game, too. My dad, a lifelong fan, lives in the DMV, and I think it would be really special to fly up with my youngest son and go to the game together (brother and nephew would probably want to come, too)
I will most likely be at the Washington game. I do a ton of work in DC and a lot of folks are already talking about it.
Unfortunately, the Divisional result will probably push ticket prices way up from what they would have been
 
2025 Road Games within reasonable travel distance:
  • Washington (12-5)
  • Philadelphia (14-3)
  • Baltimore (12-5)
Definitely want to return to Baltimore. We’re overdue to visit Philly friends who have come up to see us often. The in-laws are close to Northwest Stadium + BIL has a tenant who works for the Commanders, could get us good tix.

We’ll see how the dates fall but might do all 3.
I'm thinking of the Washington game, too. My dad, a lifelong fan, lives in the DMV, and I think it would be really special to fly up with my youngest son and go to the game together (brother and nephew would probably want to come, too)
I will most likely be at the Washington game. I do a ton of work in DC and a lot of folks are already talking about it.
Unfortunately, the Divisional result will probably push ticket prices way up from what they would have been

I'll take inelastic demand for $200, Ken
 
Even if Lions won last week the not sure they would beat the Eagle team we watched today. Been a tough matchup with a banged up defense..

My thoughts exactly. All the teams left have highly mobile QBs and we don't have a single healthy defender who can run down a mobile QB. Throw on top of that we lost every decent cover CB we had, and we would have been lucky to generate a single stop in a game. No matter how good your offense is, the defense must still be able to generate some stops.
 
notable offensive HCs have hired him multiple times:

• Sean Payton - 3x (5 Seasons)
• Jon Gruden - 2x (7 Seasons)
• Jim Harbaugh - 2x (5 Seasons)
- Plus another two seasons on 2002-03 OAK staff together

This would be the third time Morton worked with both Dan Campbell and potentially Tanner Engstrand.
I have to admit I didn't know about this guy. When I heard his name I thought it was their old WR Johnny Morton. :bag:
 
When I heard this on the radio at first I thought it was former WR Johnny Morton.

Seems like he has the resume to succeed.
 

Exit Interviews: Hutchinson had made jump from good to elite; Smith decision looms in search of a complement​

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Jan 28, 2025


To wrap up the Detroit Lions’ 2024 season, we’re doing a position-by-position evaluation of the roster. Today, we’re focusing on the play of the team’s edge defenders.

The straightforward stats​

Aidan Hutchinson: Five games, 19 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 45 QB pressures

Za’Darius Smith: Eight games, 12 tackles, 4.0 sacks, 36 QB pressures

Josh Paschal: 14 games, 21 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 31 QB pressures

Al-Quadin Muhammad: Nine games, 11 tackles, 3.0 sacks, 24 QB pressures

Marcus Davenport: Two games, two tackles, 0.5 sacks, seven QB pressures

Advanced metrics​

Hutchinson reached another level to start his third season. Not only was he leading the league in pressures and sacks when he suffered a season-ending injury, but also win rate, defined as the percentage of pass-rush snaps he beat his block. He was at 38.3% when he went down. To add context, Myles Garrett, the 2023 Defensive Player of the Year, led qualifying rushers at 23.1% this season and 27.3% last season.

Smith offered a respectable 18.4% win rate between his time in Detroit and Cleveland, while the team’s remaining edge rushers struggled to regularly beat their blocks. Paschal’s 5.5% win rate was particularly disappointing.

Paschal partially made up for his deficiencies rushing the passer by pacing the Lions with 10 run stops — a tackle on a run play constituting a failure for the offense (fewer than 4 yards on first down, less than half the remaining yardage on second down, and short of a conversion on third or four down). Still, that tally didn’t crack the top 60 among edge defenders around the league.

Best performance​

From individual and team perspectives, the edge performance in Week 2 against Tampa Bay was stellar, even though it came in a loss. Hutchinson racked up a career-high 4.5 sacks, splitting the fifth with Levi Onwuzurike, who was filling an outside role for the injured Davenport.

Quarterback Baker Mayfield was harassed into one of his worst performances of the season, finishing with 185 yards passing. Additionally, the opponent got next to nothing going on the ground, finishing with 70 yards, nearly half of which were provided by Mayfield.

Other games where the edges played well included the opener against Los Angeles, at Dallas and the Thanksgiving matchup vs. Chicago.

Worst performance​

Without question, Buffalo. The group contributed just seven pressures — five from Paschal — hitting quarterback Josh Allen only twice while failing to record a sack. On top of that, the Bills ran wild, racking up 197 yards on the ground. Allen did a lot of that damage around undefended perimeters.

Where edge play got better in 2024​

Everything starts with Hutchinson's elevation from very good to elite. After averaging 11.0 sacks in his first two seasons — many of which came through stunts and hustle — the No. 2 pick in the 2022 draft was a force of nature through the first five games this season. Opposing offensive tackles had no answer for his refined pass-rush move set, and he was well on his way to winning Defensive Player of the Year honors, which is more apparent surveying the end-of-season contenders for that honor.

On top of the unmatched production rushing the passer, Hutchinson was also playing some of the best run defense of his career. His ability to consistently make plays from the backside is impressive.

The pairing with Davenport — a free-agent addition — seemed as if it would be difficult for opponents to contend with in 2024. However, those best-laid plans were derailed when Davenport was also lost early in the year to a season-ending injury.

Overall, Detroit's edge rushers made strides with their rush lane discipline, which was key to limiting dual-threat QBs from doing too much damage with their legs, sans Allen, a legitimate MVP candidate.

Paschal improved, too, although probably not to the degree fans hoped to see three years into his career. Leaning into his physicality under the guidance of defensive line coach Terrell Williams showed up, particularly against the run. Plus, Paschal's ability to affect the pocket came through a powerful bull rush, but an inability to finish persisted.

Areas of needed improvement​

With Hutchinson, I have no notes.

OK, maybe a couple.

First, now that this year's Super Bowl is off the table, don't rush the rehab for your broken leg. Make sure things are fully healed and you build up symmetry with leg strength to avoid a compensatory injury in the future.

Regarding something on the field, it's nitpicking, but Hutchinson should stay focused on his rush-lane integrity. His ability to close ground is top-tier, but faster QBs can still take advantage on the rare occasions he overruns the pocket.

It's up to the Lions to find pieces to complement their star. They need players capable of affecting the pocket and setting firm edges against the run. Much of the current room is headed for free agency, and the team has a financial decision to make on Smith. Paschal is the only other under-contract contributor. He is almost sure to be back.

Long-term vision at position​

Hutchinson is the centerpiece, not just with his position group but the entire defense. He remains under contract through 2025, and the team has a fifth-year option for his rookie deal for the following season. There will be an effort to get a long-term extension done sooner rather than later. Still, as general manager Brad Holmes recently noted, it takes both sides coming together to make that happen. When it does, expect Hutchinson to become the NFL's highest-paid defender. That distinction currently belongs to 49ers defensive end Nick Bosa. He is operating on a five-year, $170 million pact.

The rest of the room is in the air, but the first conversation that needs to happen is what to do with Smith. The Lions inherited his contract when they traded for him at the deadline, but it carries no additional guarantees. Retaining him would come with a nearly $6 million cap hit — a modest sum for his position and production — but also a $5.2 million dead-money hit in 2026 tied to the contract's bonus structure and void years.

The Lions can easily absorb the 2025 hit. The 2026 number isn't a deal-breaker but is more problematic. That's when steeper cap figures kick in for Jared Goff, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Penei Sewell and Alim McNeill.

Smith was solid, not spectacular during his half-season in Detroit. Still, he delivered meaningful production. And, at his age, he's certainly better suited to be a sidekick. It would be worthwhile to continue the pairing with Hutchinson.

As for the free agents — Davenport, Muhammad and John Cominsky — there are cases to be made to bring them back on prove-it deals, understanding that it's challenging to rely on Davenport's availability after multiple seasons of injury woes. Muhammad and Cominsky could provide low-cost depth.

As for Paschal, you'd love to see him turn a corner in his fourth season, but he might be butting up against his production ceiling. As is, he's best as a rotational player and not a starter, logging 500-600 defensive snaps. There's simply not enough juice as a pass-rusher.

If the draft board falls the right way, it's easy to justify investing an early-round pick into the position. If the Lions continue to emphasize larger-framed pocket crushers in the mold of Davenport and Paschal, that type of prospect is easier to find in the back half of the first round. An initial look at players who that build and playing style include Texas A&M's Shemar Stewart and Ohio State's JT Tuimoloau.
 
What follows is fully understanding that Campbell is in charge, all things run through him, so there will be some consistency.

Now, with John Morton I'd think they don't just run the same playbook out and force him to adapt. It will be interesting to see what overall production/tricks we see next year. So much of that was attributed to Johnson's creativity. If we are near or as good and if the 'creativity' is still there, it puts some rethinking into that assumption and the common thread becomes Campbell.
 
What follows is fully understanding that Campbell is in charge, all things run through him, so there will be some consistency.

Now, with John Morton I'd think they don't just run the same playbook out and force him to adapt. It will be interesting to see what overall production/tricks we see next year. So much of that was attributed to Johnson's creativity. If we are near or as good and if the 'creativity' is still there, it puts some rethinking into that assumption and the common thread becomes Campbell.
On the Athletic Football Show podcast Mays and Klassen were talking about the Morton hire, and one thing they mentioned was that he is known to have an absolutely encyclopedic knowledge of passing game concepts. They speculated that, with Fraley's promotion, it may be a little bit of a co-OC kind of thing, with Fraley handling the run game and Morton focusing on the passing game. Which would suggest that Campbell would ultimately be in charge of the offense
 
Just wanted to drop in and say, as a Bears fan, how bummed I am that the Lions are not in the Super Bowl. It really feels wrong. I find myself thinking about it, mournfully, at random times, I am sure you all do as well. I don't know if your defense would have been up to the task, given the injuries, but it would have been really awesome to see you guys pull it off.
I could not be more excited about hiring Ben Johnson, but I was hoping he would come to the Bears after bringing you guys a championship. I will always be a Bears fan, but your team is one of the most fun teams to watch and root for in the last 40+ years of my football fandom. I will be wishing you guys luck for 15 of 17 games next year.
 
Just wanted to drop in and say, as a Bears fan, how bummed I am that the Lions are not in the Super Bowl. It really feels wrong. I find myself thinking about it, mournfully, at random times, I am sure you all do as well. I don't know if your defense would have been up to the task, given the injuries, but it would have been really awesome to see you guys pull it off.
I could not be more excited about hiring Ben Johnson, but I was hoping he would come to the Bears after bringing you guys a championship. I will always be a Bears fan, but your team is one of the most fun teams to watch and root for in the last 40+ years of my football fandom. I will be wishing you guys luck for 15 of 17 games next year.
I was going to say the feeling is mutual, but then it occurred to me that if Ben is successful and becomes the next McVay, we could see an annual brain drain as other teams come in and raid the Lions’ coaching staff in an effort to find their next wunderkind. So now I want to see him do well but not too well
 
Reports that, after being passed over by the Lions, Engstrand may take the Jets OC job under Glenn. I trust Campbell, but man, I hope he gets this right
When you compare their resumes I would probably do the same as Campbell. And of course Campbell has the experience of working with both. It will also be interesting to see how a first time OC works with someone like Aaron Rodgers.
 
I was going to say the feeling is mutual, but then it occurred to me that if Ben is successful and becomes the next McVay, we could see an annual brain drain as other teams come in and raid the Lions’ coaching staff in an effort to find their next wunderkind.

We both used this word independently about Johnson and OC hires in the past twelve hours. Interesting. I used the phrase "wunderkind and old vet" when referring to Johnson and Fangio in my head.

eta* I know you didn't read mine because yours was before my usage. Hmmm . . .

The Jets are really going nuts hiring Lions guys. I hope our owner stays out of the way of football operations like yours did.
 
Departures:
  • OC Ben Johnson to CHI HC
  • WR Antwaan Randle-El to CHI WR/AHC
  • Ast QB J.T. Barrett to CHI QB
  • DC Aaron Glenn to NYJ HC
  • PGC Tanner Engstrand to NYJ OC? (in process)
  • DL Terrell Williams to NE DC
  • Ast DL Cameron Davis let go
Arrivals:
  • OC John Morton
  • DL Kacy Rodgers
Promotions
  • LB Kelvin Sheppard to DC
  • Ast LB Shaun Dion Hamilton to LB
  • OL Hank Fraley returns for 8th season & adds run game coordinator title
Vacancies:
  • Assistant QB coach
  • Passing Game Coordinator (if Engstrand becomes NYJ OC)
  • WR coach
  • Assistant LB coach
  • Assistant DL coach

Anyone I missed?
 
Exit Interviews - 10-part series from Detroit Football Network
  • 1/27: Quarterbacks (posted upthread)
  • 1/28: Edge (posted upthread)
  • 1/29: Running backs (next)
  • 1/30: Defensive tackles
  • 1/31: Wide receivers
  • 2/1: Linebackers
  • 2/2: Tight ends
  • 2/3: Cornerbacks
  • 2/4: Offensive line
  • 2/5: Safeties
 

Exit Interviews: Gibbs rise to superstardom a driving force behind Lions' record-setting offense​


To wrap up the Detroit Lions’ 2024 season, we’re doing a position-by-position evaluation of the roster. Today, we’re focusing on the play of the team’s running backs.

The straightforward stats​

Jahmyr Gibbs: 250 carries, 1,412 rushing yards (5.6 YPC), 63 targets, 52 receptions, 517 receiving yards, 20 total touchdowns

David Montgomery: 185 carries, 775 rushing yards (4.2 YPC), 38 targets, 36 receptions, 341 receiving yards, 12 total touchdowns

Advanced metrics​

For the fifth consecutive season, Detroit improved its effectiveness on the ground, averaging 4.7 yards per carry. That’s the highest since Barry Sanders’ 2,000-yard campaign in 1997. The team accomplished the production through the shared strength of its offensive line and the individual efforts of Gibbs and Montgomery. The Lions finished in the top 10 in yards before and after contact.

In total, Gibbs and Montgomery accounted for 43.7% of Detroit’s yardage, up from 35.7% in 2023.

Both Gibbs and Montgomery ranked in the top 20 in yards after contact per carry, with Gibbs maintaining a slight edge. He tied for fifth with 68 missed tackles forced, behind only Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley and Bijan Robinson.

The duo was highly efficient, each ranking in the top 10 at the position in success rate, defined as gaining 4 or more yards on first downs, 60% of the remaining distance on second down and converting on third and fourth down. Montgomery finished sixth, Gibbs 10th.

Gibbs also proved to be one of the league’s most explosive runners in his second season. His 13 carries of 20-plus yards were more than anyone other than Henry and Barkley, who had 75 and 95 additional carries, respectively. The Detroit back also recorded two of the top-10 speeds for ball carriers in 2024, peaking at 22.03 miles per hour on a 70-yard touchdown romp against the Titans in Week 8.

Best performance​

The duo produced several strong stat lines, including Thanksgiving against Chicago and Week 11 vs. Jacksonville. Still, despite the final numbers not jumping off the box score, the overall efficiency paired with Montgomery's end-of-game impact in Week 1 against the Rams takes the cake. The duo had a season-high success rate in the contest, and a staggering 40% of the team's carries resulted in a first down.

Individually, good luck arguing against Gibbs' Week 18 showing against Minnesota. With 131 yards on the ground, five receptions for another 31 yards, and four total touchdowns, he earned Player of the Week and Player of the Month honors on the back of that outing.

Worst performance​

Houston proved to be a particularly frustrating opponent for Detroit's tandem. Gibbs and Montgomery carried the ball more than 30 times but barely cracked 100 yards.

Still, it wasn't a total loss as both added an explosive gain in the passing game and Gibbs' best run, a 20-yarder, set up Jake Bates' game-tying 58-yard field goal.

Where running back play got better in 2024​

Already viewed as one of the league's best backfield duos, Gibbs and Montgomery took their production to new heights in 2024, primarily based on the individual improvements of Gibbs.

The second-year back out of Alabama got better at making defenders miss in the second level as a ball carrier, leading to a considerable increase in explosive runs. Additionally, he significantly improved his output as a pass catcher, gaining 62% more yards per reception.

Montgomery also made modest improvements, although the veteran's skill set and abilities are well-established six years into his career. Even though his yards per carry dipped from the previous season, his success rate increased. Plus, the noted tackle-breaker broke them at his best rate in four years.

Finally, like Gibbs, Montgomery's receiving production sharply increased, tripling his yardage from his first season in Detroit, putting it more in line with what he'd done with Chicago.

Areas of needed improvement​

This is a challenging assignment. Gibbs is coming off one of the best seasons for a running back in Lions' history, racking up 1,929 yards and 20 touchdowns from scrimmage while averaging 5.6 yards per carry.

On rare occasions, he tries to do too much by bouncing a run outside instead of taking the yardage available, and there remains plenty of room to grow as a receiver. His route running continues to be limited. His angle route developed into a real weapon for Detroit's offense this season. Still, he has yet to unlock the ability to consistently threaten downfield with wheel routes, which is surprising given his elite speed.

Beyond that, the biggest hole in his resume is pass protection. The effort is there, but he often gets overwhelmed at the point of attack by hard-charging linebackers and safeties. He'll always be at a size disadvantage, but technique, angles and aggressiveness can compensate.

From the team's perspective, getting Sione Vaki more involved next season would be encouraging. The limited offensive role during his rookie year was understandable, given he was making a full-time switch from safety. Still, based on what we saw in the preseason, there's some untapped, explosive potential, particularly in the passing game.

Long-term vision at position​

As incredible as Gibbs was as a workhorse in December, the Lions fully understand the key to maximizing his abilities over an entire season is to split the backfield workload. That's why Montgomery — a foundational piece to Detroit's culture as much as a quality on-field producer — was signed to a two-year extension last year that doesn't kick in until the 2026 season.

Montgomery will likely remain in the fold through that year, at the very least. At that stage, the team can re-evaluate how his body is holding up entering into his age 30 season. But in the same way he takes stress off Gibbs' legs, his younger teammate is doing the same for him.

Further down the depth chart, Craig Reynolds is a restricted free agent unlikely to be tagged. That means he'll hit the open market if he doesn't re-sign with Detroit before the start of the new league year in mid-March. It's easy to see that happening, given his reliability as an injury replacement and extensive special teams contributions.

Vaki also sees significant snaps on special teams and is on track to become one of the best in the league in those roles. On offense, there's a lot of development to go, but, as noted, it would be good to see him carve out playing time in some situational packages during his second season.
 
I was going to say the feeling is mutual, but then it occurred to me that if Ben is successful and becomes the next McVay, we could see an annual brain drain as other teams come in and raid the Lions’ coaching staff in an effort to find their next wunderkind.

We both used this word independently about Johnson and OC hires in the past twelve hours. Interesting. I used the phrase "wunderkind and old vet" when referring to Johnson and Fangio in my head.

eta* I know you didn't read mine because yours was before my usage. Hmmm . . .

The Jets are really going nuts hiring Lions guys. I hope our owner stays out of the way of football operations like yours did.
I didn't see your post, but are you a Ted Lasso fan? After I typed the word I flashed back to Nate always chafing at reporters describing him that way
 
Reports that, after being passed over by the Lions, Engstrand may take the Jets OC job under Glenn. I trust Campbell, but man, I hope he gets this right
When you compare their resumes I would probably do the same as Campbell. And of course Campbell has the experience of working with both. It will also be interesting to see how a first time OC works with someone like Aaron Rodgers.
It would be interesting, if there were any chance of Rodgers being the Jets QB next year
 
Bobby, what is so frustrating when I read the running stats, and I will bring this up again because I believe it changed the game. Third and one on Washingtons 19 up 7-3. Ben calls for open backfield pass with zero threat of a run and Lions turn the ball over. At that point in time Lions were pushing Washington all over the field with Gibbs getting 5-6-7-8 yards a carry.

Third and 1 in playoff football get the first, keep the drive going. They could not stop the run. Instead of going up possibly 14-3 Lions are losing 10-7. Still pisses me off.
 
Bobby, what is so frustrating when I read the running stats, and I will bring this up again because I believe it changed the game. Third and one on Washingtons 19 up 7-3. Ben calls for open backfield pass with zero threat of a run and Lions turn the ball over. At that point in time Lions were pushing Washington all over the field with Gibbs getting 5-6-7-8 yards a carry.

Third and 1 in playoff football get the first, keep the drive going. They could not stop the run. Instead of going up possibly 14-3 Lions are losing 10-7. Still pisses me off.
That call and the Jamo pass were Ben's two biggest mistakes of the game. The 3rd and 1 was somewhat of a worst-case situation, because Amon-Ra slipped on the route, which forced Goff to delay his throw, which got him sacked, etc. Maybe they had a great play call and without the slip it would have been a first down. Still, run the ball there and you don't leave it up to chance.

There was also the Tampa game, another time when Ben got away from the run when it was working. I don't want to read too much into it, because he did so many other things right, but I don't understand how that happens
 
Bobby, what is so frustrating when I read the running stats, and I will bring this up again because I believe it changed the game. Third and one on Washingtons 19 up 7-3. Ben calls for open backfield pass with zero threat of a run and Lions turn the ball over. At that point in time Lions were pushing Washington all over the field with Gibbs getting 5-6-7-8 yards a carry.

Third and 1 in playoff football get the first, keep the drive going. They could not stop the run. Instead of going up possibly 14-3 Lions are losing 10-7. Still pisses me off.
That call and the Jamo pass were Ben's two biggest mistakes of the game. The 3rd and 1 was somewhat of a worst-case situation, because Amon-Ra slipped on the route, which forced Goff to delay his throw, which got him sacked, etc. Maybe they had a great play call and without the slip it would have been a first down. Still, run the ball there and you don't leave it up to chance.

There was also the Tampa game, another time when Ben got away from the run when it was working. I don't want to read too much into it, because he did so many other things right, but I don't understand how that happens

The one thing is with Goff not being a threat to run why go open backfield on third and one? At the very least go play action to Gibbs to disrupt the pass rush. When the d-line looks at open backfield they bring the heat.

Agree 100 on the Jamo call. Also believe Jamo was told if it is not there just run.
 
Bobby, what is so frustrating when I read the running stats, and I will bring this up again because I believe it changed the game. Third and one on Washingtons 19 up 7-3. Ben calls for open backfield pass with zero threat of a run and Lions turn the ball over. At that point in time Lions were pushing Washington all over the field with Gibbs getting 5-6-7-8 yards a carry.

Third and 1 in playoff football get the first, keep the drive going. They could not stop the run. Instead of going up possibly 14-3 Lions are losing 10-7. Still pisses me off.
That call and the Jamo pass were Ben's two biggest mistakes of the game. The 3rd and 1 was somewhat of a worst-case situation, because Amon-Ra slipped on the route, which forced Goff to delay his throw, which got him sacked, etc. Maybe they had a great play call and without the slip it would have been a first down. Still, run the ball there and you don't leave it up to chance.

There was also the Tampa game, another time when Ben got away from the run when it was working. I don't want to read too much into it, because he did so many other things right, but I don't understand how that happens

The one thing is with Goff not being a threat to run why go open backfield on third and one? At the very least go play action to Gibbs to disrupt the pass rush. When the d-line looks at open backfield they bring the heat.

Agree 100 on the Jamo call. Also believe Jamo was told if it is not there just run.
I'm sure he was. But putting your team's hopes on Jamo exercising good judgment was an obviously dumb move
 
NFL Network has reported tight ends coach Steve Heiden is leaving to become Glenn's oline coach.

They also call Engstrand the favorite for OC.

That’s 8 departures if you’re keeping score at home.
 
NFL Network has reported tight ends coach Steve Heiden is leaving to become Glenn's oline coach.

They also call Engstrand the favorite for OC.

That’s 8 departures if you’re keeping score at home.
Do people not realize that the Lions’ success is really due to Dan and Brad and Sheila?

You can take all our assistant coaches, but your organization won’t change until you put the right leadership in place.
 
NFL Network has reported tight ends coach Steve Heiden is leaving to become Glenn's oline coach.

They also call Engstrand the favorite for OC.

That’s 8 departures if you’re keeping score at home.
Do people not realize that the Lions’ success is really due to Dan and Brad and Sheila?

You can take all our assistant coaches, but your organization won’t change until you put the right leadership in place.
I agree about the destination franchise for these assistants. However......

I think being able to develop coaches is really important and a key to consistent winning. It appears Detroit has gotten good at it, so get used to having your staff raided every year. I see it every year with Baltimore (Philly & the Rams seem to get poached a lot, too). It never ends as long as you're a stable, competent organization.
 
Can't help but think the losses far outweigh the gains. Also worried that Super Bowl window may have already closed.

I question both coordinator hires. If Dan has been preparing for this, why did we have to go outside the organization for an OC?

This is why I wanted them to go all in during the last off season and trade deadline.
 

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