Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
He's under contract this year and next. Today was the last day they still held rights, he probably wanted to wait to make sure he was at least somewhat close to game shape.
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2025 Detroit Lions: 7-5 Pack beat Lions again. :( (73 Viewers)
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
My first thought was that the plan when they drafted Ratledge was to have him play guard for a year and then move to center. The problem was that after Ragnow retired, that meant they had to use Glasgow this year. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Ragnow only committed to this year and they’re still counting on Tate for next year.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
So what’s the starting OL now? Ragnow at C, Ratledge stays where he is and Glasgow replaces the guy who is subbing for Mahogany (whose name escapes me for the moment)?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I call him Coyote but I know that isn't his name. But yeah I think Glasgow moves into his natural guard position. I don't think he ever wanted to be center.
Awosika, and it makes sense. He hasn’t been playing well.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Could be huge for the Lions. I know it ain't Christmas yet, but what a great gift.
“Center Frank Ragnow is returning. Sounds like he’s in shape and ready to roll sooner, rather than later,” NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport tweeted.
Report: Lions center Frank Ragnow is coming out of retirement
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If the Lions offense returns to form and the Lions win the Super Bowl, Ragnow would jump into Barry Sanders status for Lion greats.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Possibly this was the plan all along that he retired to reduce the wear and tear but would come back for the stretch run as needed.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Who’s left to play TE?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I heard they are putting Jamo there to block since he doesn't catch any passes.
Sorry I couldn't resist.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Just looked it up. Ross Dwelley is the only TE left in the roster. I remember him filling in for Kittle a few times in SF
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mt. Man
Footballguy
Good news: Lions will have their star C back. Bad news: Next week at soonest.
Trystan Colon to start. Rest of OL listed as "Questionable", but AFAIK all expected to start.
Haven't heard definitive word about whether Arnold can play. Davenport also "Questionable" despite Full Practices, but who knows if he's ever actually healthy?
Packers list Van Ness, Jaylen Reed and Karl Brooks out. Golden, Quay Walker & Nixon all officially "questionable" but seem likely to play.
Trystan Colon to start. Rest of OL listed as "Questionable", but AFAIK all expected to start.
Haven't heard definitive word about whether Arnold can play. Davenport also "Questionable" despite Full Practices, but who knows if he's ever actually healthy?
Packers list Van Ness, Jaylen Reed and Karl Brooks out. Golden, Quay Walker & Nixon all officially "questionable" but seem likely to play.
Detroit Lions activate Marcus Davenport in list of pre-Packers roster moves
The Detroit Lions announced a plethora of roster moves on Wednesday. First, they activated defensive end Marcus Davenport and rookie guard Miles Frazier from their respective injury lists and placed them on the active roster. They also signed tight end Anthony Firkser and wide receiver Tom Kennedy off the practice squad to the active roster. Additionally, they elevated offensive lineman Kingsley Eguakun and tight end Zach Horton from the practice squad for Week 13. The team also confirmed that they’ve reinstated All-Pro center Frank Ragnow from the reserve/retired list and placed him on an exempt/Commissioner permission list. The Lions also released running back Craig Reynolds in a corresponding roster move. And lastly, the team did not activate Josh Paschal from the non-football-injury list.
The Detroit Lions announced a plethora of roster moves on Wednesday. First, they activated defensive end Marcus Davenport and rookie guard Miles Frazier from their respective injury lists and placed them on the active roster. They also signed tight end Anthony Firkser and wide receiver Tom Kennedy off the practice squad to the active roster. Additionally, they elevated offensive lineman Kingsley Eguakun and tight end Zach Horton from the practice squad for Week 13. The team also confirmed that they’ve reinstated All-Pro center Frank Ragnow from the reserve/retired list and placed him on an exempt/Commissioner permission list. The Lions also released running back Craig Reynolds in a corresponding roster move. And lastly, the team did not activate Josh Paschal from the non-football-injury list.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Great to have Davenport back but for how long as injuries seem to find him. Releasing Reynolds I guess elevates Vaki. We need all the reinforcements we can get.
rockaction
Footballguy
You guys are happy today, huh? This is also a little confirmation. Pardon the format. Look at those names. At least four HoF guys and . . . David Long? lol.
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Highest-Graded Single-Season PFF Run Defense Linebackers All-Time (since 2006):1. DET Jack Campbell (2025) — 93.52. TEN David Long (2023) — 92.63. CAR Luke Kuechly (2018) — 91.84. IND Jerrell Freeman (2015) — 91.75. SF Patrick Willis (2012) — 91.65t. NYJ Bart Scott (2010) — 91.67. SEA Bobby Wagner (2023) — 91.57t. WAS London Fletcher (2008) — 91.59. DEN Alexander Johnson (2019) — 91.410. SF Fred Warner (2025) — 91.310t. SEA Bobby Wagner (2016) — 91.310t. SF NaVorro Bowman (2011) — 91.310t. BAL Ray Lewis (2009) — 91.314. SEA Bobby Wagner (2018) — 91.215. Five player seasons tied — 91.1
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Highest-Graded Single-Season PFF Run Defense Linebackers All-Time (since 2006):1. DET Jack Campbell (2025) — 93.52. TEN David Long (2023) — 92.63. CAR Luke Kuechly (2018) — 91.84. IND Jerrell Freeman (2015) — 91.75. SF Patrick Willis (2012) — 91.65t. NYJ Bart Scott (2010) — 91.67. SEA Bobby Wagner (2023) — 91.57t. WAS London Fletcher (2008) — 91.59. DEN Alexander Johnson (2019) — 91.410. SF Fred Warner (2025) — 91.310t. SEA Bobby Wagner (2016) — 91.310t. SF NaVorro Bowman (2011) — 91.310t. BAL Ray Lewis (2009) — 91.314. SEA Bobby Wagner (2018) — 91.215. Five player seasons tied — 91.1
Moonlight
Footballguy
St. Brown has been held in check by the Packers during his career. Except for one game he’s usually kept to the 50 to 60 yards range.
With La Porta and Wright out it would appear Jamo will need to deliver. Lions are not getting much from the WR3 position.
Gibbs has seen his routes and involvement in the passing game go up each game with DC now being OC. This is in part due to necessity as Jamo is inconsistent and the Lions not getting production from the TE and Wr 3 positions.
Possibly the Lions go to more two RB sets to free up Gibbs as receiver.
I think the Lions are going to have trouble scoring with the restricted weapons and OL injuries and the GB defense. Lions defense needs to play well for them to win.
With La Porta and Wright out it would appear Jamo will need to deliver. Lions are not getting much from the WR3 position.
Gibbs has seen his routes and involvement in the passing game go up each game with DC now being OC. This is in part due to necessity as Jamo is inconsistent and the Lions not getting production from the TE and Wr 3 positions.
Possibly the Lions go to more two RB sets to free up Gibbs as receiver.
I think the Lions are going to have trouble scoring with the restricted weapons and OL injuries and the GB defense. Lions defense needs to play well for them to win.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. This feels like a 20 - 17 type of game.
Lions need three things to win.
Limit pressure on Goff, whether it is quick passes, runs, screens etc.
No big plays or short fields for the Packers, their offense is broken, make them go 10 plays and 70 yards.
No mistakes from Campbell, points are probably going to be tough to come by, take the field goal attempts, Bates has been very good with the Lions. Any fakes have to work, can't go for every fourth down, pick your spots wisely.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Mid-season was 3 weeks ago, we are pushing late season now.
And if it has happened this late I can`t remember.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Not that it matters and we will probably never find out, but I wonder who approached who about Ragnow coming back.
Was it Ragnow watching the games and seeing his buddies struggle and he told his wife "I can help, I miss it, and I have to make the call and see if they want me back."
Was it Campbell and Holmes that called Ragnow and said " We are hurting and you can help us, just help us finish the year and let us fix the line this off season"
Was it the offensive line in a group chat "We suck right now and we need to be better, let's call Frank and see if he will come back and help us."
After the last six weeks, I thought there was no chance in hell the Lions would win the Super bowl, I thought it was 50/50 if they would make the playoffs. Maybe it is the happy endorphins talking, but I think the Lions are back in the mix. The Rams and Eagles should be the favorites, but I can see a path to beat those teams, even on the road. If Ragnow is 80 percent of himself the Lions should be the third favorite in the NFC and could be moving up.
Was it Ragnow watching the games and seeing his buddies struggle and he told his wife "I can help, I miss it, and I have to make the call and see if they want me back."
Was it Campbell and Holmes that called Ragnow and said " We are hurting and you can help us, just help us finish the year and let us fix the line this off season"
Was it the offensive line in a group chat "We suck right now and we need to be better, let's call Frank and see if he will come back and help us."
After the last six weeks, I thought there was no chance in hell the Lions would win the Super bowl, I thought it was 50/50 if they would make the playoffs. Maybe it is the happy endorphins talking, but I think the Lions are back in the mix. The Rams and Eagles should be the favorites, but I can see a path to beat those teams, even on the road. If Ragnow is 80 percent of himself the Lions should be the third favorite in the NFC and could be moving up.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Some great names on that list, 3rd year has definitely been the charm for Jack. This is why I try not to do instant/early draft grades for any player, we don't usually see their full development until 2-3 years in the league.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I’m sure Brad and Dan kept the lines open all year and would check in periodically. Also, there are countless stories of guys who retire and realize how much they miss being in the locker room (on the dark side, that can be the kind of thing that contributes to post-career mental health issues).
Wasn’t there some story about the Saints texting Brees the tear after he retired with a picture of him playing QB, and him texting back a picture of himself playing golf? Point being, I bet there are lots of these requests every year that we never hear about because they don’t go anywhere
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Only other time it’s ever happened, the Bulls won 72 games the following year. But I don’t think Ragnow was forced to retire for his gambling problem
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Dan Campbell: Ship has sailed on Frank Ragnow coming out of retirement
The Lions' could use some reinforcement for their injury-riddled offensive line, but it won't be coming from a former member of the team who announced his retirement ahead of the 2024 season.
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I found this. I am starting to think that Dan and/or Brad called Ragnow when Mahogney got hurt. Frank said no and then watched the last few weeks and changes his mind and called Campbell.
**** yeah.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I just meant while the season was going on and not before it started or in the next offseason. Not necessarily exactly in the middle.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Jordan did it, Mario Lemiuex did, Ricky Williams
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Hopefully Frank isn't watching the first half and changes his mind.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Gotta have this one of these next three games. Prefer it to be this one and then go from there.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
This year’s team just doesn’t have it. Maybe they can turn things around but the way it’s going we’re looking at a wildcard loss at best
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Well the road is getting rougher. Hopefully St Brown is Ok. Did Hutch play today?? I love Hutch but man he is not looking like the highest paid non-QB in the NFL.
Right now hopefully Lions can get a wild card game.
Williams had a great game but his huge drop was a killer.
Right now hopefully Lions can get a wild card game.
Williams had a great game but his huge drop was a killer.
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Mt. Man
Footballguy
Pretty much all this. Like I said in the game thread, Lions need to go 4-1 or better going forward, and then have some luck. 7th seed could be best case scenario though they could still get higher if NFC North winner sweeps the two games between Pack and Bears. Or I guess if SF or Seattle collapse, but not counting on that.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
First game back, but as a whole they have been bad for awhile. They got hits on Winston last week because he holds the ball forever, same with Hurts.
I kind of thought their sack numbers were inflated playing some bad qbs and offensive lines. The Cowboys and Rams have played well on both those fronts. These next two games are huge.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Lions head coach Dan Campbell told reporters that WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (ankle) “could be” sidelined for “a week or two, if we’re lucky.”
That is bad news. Campbell adds that the Lions should know more tomorrow, but St. Brown’s injured right ankle is expected to sideline him for some time. The Lions face the Cowboys, Rams, Steelers and Vikings in Weeks 14-17. Hopefully, he can at least return in time for the latter two contests. Stay tuned.
I don't like it.
That is bad news. Campbell adds that the Lions should know more tomorrow, but St. Brown’s injured right ankle is expected to sideline him for some time. The Lions face the Cowboys, Rams, Steelers and Vikings in Weeks 14-17. Hopefully, he can at least return in time for the latter two contests. Stay tuned.
I don't like it.
I am one of the most optimistic people here but there are a lot of problems with this team right now.
I missed a handful of plays and haven't rewatched the game and I doubt I will because too many things made me sick. I am going to post my thoughts later today or tomorrow but there wasn't one reason we lost; there were a bunch. We are in trouble right now.
The Dallas game is a must win. We have to go 4-1 to get in. Even an optimistic person like me can see that it's a lot to ask given how we are playing.
Also, what is going on with Hutchinson? Aside from the last play against the Giants he has been largely invisible for the last month. We don't have a chance if he doesn't start playing better.
I missed a handful of plays and haven't rewatched the game and I doubt I will because too many things made me sick. I am going to post my thoughts later today or tomorrow but there wasn't one reason we lost; there were a bunch. We are in trouble right now.
The Dallas game is a must win. We have to go 4-1 to get in. Even an optimistic person like me can see that it's a lot to ask given how we are playing.
Also, what is going on with Hutchinson? Aside from the last play against the Giants he has been largely invisible for the last month. We don't have a chance if he doesn't start playing better.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Just need to realize this years version of the Lions is just not the same.
I stated before the 23-24 window to win it all was wide open, This years window right now is just a crack. It is a miracle Lions are not 6-6 and out already..but there is still hope as long as they can get in the playoffs.
This season may come down to the last game at Chicago Bears.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Going to need Hutch to put the defense on his back and make some big plays going forward. The offense without ARSB and Laporta will definitely be limited.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
i watch every game, then I usually watch it again later without emotion and it looks different.
It does not seem like he is the same player he was before his injury. Might just need more time but watching the games it looks like he is being handled easier than in the past.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That was my initial reaction as well. Hoping something changes there, but may take another off-season to get back to the level we have seen in the past.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Any chance Frank watched yesterday’s game and was like, “On second thought …”?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Oddly enough the lions are still favored over Dallas. Try to win one game at a time and hope it's not already too late.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
At this stage kind of wish Frank had taken the whole year off, get right and come back fresh for 2-3 more seasons.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't know enough about his foot injury, but would it work that way? Or is it more he can handle 10 games a year with limited practices and no OTA's?
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