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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Happy trails Derek - one a Raider always a Raider ☠ (16 Viewers)

I agree, unless there is something we don't know, there is no reason to do this move now. Wait till September and see if anyone goes down in camp, then make a trade.
there’s a thousand things we don’t know about every single player and aspect of this team. I don’t think they’d release him cuz they’re dumb.

ETA: after writing that I thought of the million dumb things Raiders leadership has done over the past 2+ decades. So let me just add that I have faith in Carroll’s approach and assessment of our team and players. Until proven otherwise.
 
Jack Jones was very tied to AP, I guess we are just seeing how much AP's voice meant in Jones having a job.

I do agree with the opinion of why now? A healthy body at CB is worth more than not. Maybe (big assumption on my part) Jones was causing too much of a distraction even without coordinated team activities underway yet. Seems like the combination of our new GM/HC is an 'act now don't wait' type of tandem.
 
Jack Jones was very tied to AP, I guess we are just seeing how much AP's voice meant in Jones having a job.

I do agree with the opinion of why now? A healthy body at CB is worth more than not. Maybe (big assumption on my part) Jones was causing too much of a distraction even without coordinated team activities underway yet. Seems like the combination of our new GM/HC is an 'act now don't wait' type of tandem.
Kinda has to be what you’re assuming, right? Otherwise why now.
 
Jack Jones was very tied to AP, I guess we are just seeing how much AP's voice meant in Jones having a job.

I do agree with the opinion of why now? A healthy body at CB is worth more than not. Maybe (big assumption on my part) Jones was causing too much of a distraction even without coordinated team activities underway yet. Seems like the combination of our new GM/HC is an 'act now don't wait' type of tandem.
Kinda has to be what you’re assuming, right? Otherwise why now.
Patrick Graham was with AP and coached JJ for his time in Las Vegas. I assume they consulted him and he signed off on all the defensive departures.

My guess is JJ is a primadonna who is difficult to coach.

I also suspect Graham disliked him enough to not release him until most of the free agent money had been spent. It's a #### move but, I approve.
 
Jack Jones officially released.

"Las Vegas also announced that the club had re-signed five exclusive rights free agents: defensive tackle Matthew Butler, linebacker LB Kana’i Mauga, guard Jordan Meredith, defensive end Charles Snowden, and cornerback Sam Webb."
 
Jack Jones officially released.

"Las Vegas also announced that the club had re-signed five exclusive rights free agents: defensive tackle Matthew Butler, linebacker LB Kana’i Mauga, guard Jordan Meredith, defensive end Charles Snowden, and cornerback Sam Webb."
Thumbs up to butler and Meredith. Don’t really know the other guys. I’ve been high on Meredith for a few years. I hope he proves it one way or the other this year.
 
Jack Jones officially released.

"Las Vegas also announced that the club had re-signed five exclusive rights free agents: defensive tackle Matthew Butler, linebacker LB Kana’i Mauga, guard Jordan Meredith, defensive end Charles Snowden, and cornerback Sam Webb."
Jones is one of those guys that gets you frustrated. Shows enough that he has the potential to be a true #1 CB but then is inconsistent in coverage and basically a liability in the run game. With AP gone, who obviously was his biggest advocate, it isn't overly surprising that he is out the door. Now, we are super thin at corner. Chinn is a good piece you can move around but Bennett, Richardson and Stokes do not get me excited about out coverage ability.
 
Jack Jones officially released.

"Las Vegas also announced that the club had re-signed five exclusive rights free agents: defensive tackle Matthew Butler, linebacker LB Kana’i Mauga, guard Jordan Meredith, defensive end Charles Snowden, and cornerback Sam Webb."
Jones is one of those guys that gets you frustrated. Shows enough that he has the potential to be a true #1 CB but then is inconsistent in coverage and basically a liability in the run game. With AP gone, who obviously was his biggest advocate, it isn't overly surprising that he is out the door. Now, we are super thin at corner. Chinn is a good piece you can move around but Bennett, Richardson and Stokes do not get me excited about out coverage ability.
I'm still very hopeful about Bennett.
 
Gonna need help with this 3rd round pick
The lack of love for Isaiah Bond is astounding. He's a steal if still there. I could also get behind Andrew Mukaba, DB. Both played for Texas last year, both are transffers - Bond from Alabama, Mukaba Clemson. Landon Jackson and Kyle Kennard are probably the EDGE guys if we're looking for positional premium.

WR
Isaiah Bond - this is my pick. All Pro upside.
Tre Harris - he's got WR1 ceiling

EDGE
Landon Jackson
Kyle Kennard

IDL
Deone Walker - probably the most upside in the entire draft. Jalen Carter type. But he's big and has weight issues and the motivation/effort is a big concern.
Alfred Collins
Omar Norman-Lott - the anti-Deone Walker. Safe safe safe, does everything well, probably not going to be a star but he could play 15 quality years in the league - think Cameron Hayward.
 
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took bond

they probably go D with one of those first 3 picks. but it's not a bad draft. unrealistic, but fun. sanders, conerly, bond
 
I don't think it's unrealistic. If Sanders is there you gotta pull the trigger - if anything, he's not likely to be there.
Connerly in the 2nd is a bargain - BPA and positional value
Bond (and apparently it's mostly me) is also a steal/BPA here - another position of need (but good luck throwing a stone in a random direction and not hitting a position of need for this team) and another positional value - you gotta get tools around your QB whether that's Geno or a next gen guy or next year's next gen guy.
 
I'm bullish on the Raiders now. I would not draft Sheduer, some mocks have Jeany going to the Raiders, and IMO, go there if available. Geno is gonna win the games that the Raiders lost last season. The Raider QB's were ***, and Antonio Pierce was not HC material.
 
I'm not anti Sanders or Jeanty at 6, but also not sold on either over a beast defender if there's one to be had (Walker?). Most important is to get a stud with that pick, at any position. I don't want to pass on a stud for a just good [name any position]. And if/when we are talking multiple studs to choose from, then positional value comes into play - DE Walker > RB Jeanty? ... only if Walker is a stud, b/c I think Jeanty is.
 
I'm not anti Sanders or Jeanty at 6, but also not sold on either over a beast defender if there's one to be had (Walker?)
This is why I don't get behind Jeanty (plus the depth later at the position). If we stay at 6 there will be an elite defender or Sanders there - and the positional value at QB unfortunately almost forces our hand to take him. Maybe we can sucker NOS or NYJ to make a small jump and solve that for us. But if we stay, the consensus top 4 are:

Hunter
Carter
Graham
Will Johnson

Plus 2 QB for positional value makes 6. I think this is one of those "we'll let the dice decide" situations - just sit there and take whichever of this list is there. Get your order decided early in case a surprise happens and we are choosing among multiple - like what if Carter slides due to the foot and Sanders for plenty of obvious potential reasons? I don't care one iota about the injury, there's no predictive value in pre-draft injuries and if we avoid every single component of risk that bit us "last time" we'd never draft anyone at all. Carter's a stud and if we can add an edge stud we should. Hunter, Graham, Johnson - just look at the film on any of them, those are talents we need on our roster period.

I'd love a trade down, probably do every year, but those are hard to predict and require a partner so not always possible. Maybe we can get DAL to fall in love with Jeanty (or McMillan opposite Lamb, we've seen that before) or PIT shocks the world and jumps everyone for Sanders.
 
I'm not anti Sanders or Jeanty at 6, but also not sold on either over a beast defender if there's one to be had (Walker?)
This is why I don't get behind Jeanty (plus the depth later at the position). If we stay at 6 there will be an elite defender or Sanders there - and the positional value at QB unfortunately almost forces our hand to take him. Maybe we can sucker NOS or NYJ to make a small jump and solve that for us. But if we stay, the consensus top 4 are:

Hunter
Carter
Graham
Will Johnson

Plus 2 QB for positional value makes 6. I think this is one of those "we'll let the dice decide" situations - just sit there and take whichever of this list is there. Get your order decided early in case a surprise happens and we are choosing among multiple - like what if Carter slides due to the foot and Sanders for plenty of obvious potential reasons? I don't care one iota about the injury, there's no predictive value in pre-draft injuries and if we avoid every single component of risk that bit us "last time" we'd never draft anyone at all. Carter's a stud and if we can add an edge stud we should. Hunter, Graham, Johnson - just look at the film on any of them, those are talents we need on our roster period.

I'd love a trade down, probably do every year, but those are hard to predict and require a partner so not always possible. Maybe we can get DAL to fall in love with Jeanty (or McMillan opposite Lamb, we've seen that before) or PIT shocks the world and jumps everyone for Sanders.
im hoping for someone to trade up into the top 6 for a qb. This ensures that a pretty damn good playe4 will fall to the raiders.

And just so I can have receipts :lmao: if it does happen, trade back with pit and take dart.
 
So, what's the knock on Will Howard? He's 6'4", 235 lbs, completed 73% of his passes in 16 games last year (only 58.8% in 34 games at KSU) and can move pretty well.

So, why is he a day 2-3 prospect? Weak arm? Slow release? Knucklehead?
 
So, what's the knock on Will Howard? He's 6'4", 235 lbs, completed 73% of his passes in 16 games last year (only 58.8% in 34 games at KSU) and can move pretty well.

So, why is he a day 2-3 prospect? Weak arm? Slow release? Knucklehead?
Unspectacular for 4 years, semi-spectacular final season. He's a solid player but doesn't jump out. I'd love him as our developmental guy at the right price. Probably not in the first three picks now that we spent our late 3rd. Kyle McCord same story for different reasons.
 
So, what's the knock on Will Howard? He's 6'4", 235 lbs, completed 73% of his passes in 16 games last year (only 58.8% in 34 games at KSU) and can move pretty well.

So, why is he a day 2-3 prospect? Weak arm? Slow release? Knucklehead?
Unspectacular for 4 years, semi-spectacular final season. He's a solid player but doesn't jump out. I'd love him as our developmental guy at the right price. Probably not in the first three picks now that we spent our late 3rd. Kyle McCord same story for different reasons.
You clearly know more about prospects than me but 73% completion, 4,010 yards, 35 pass TDs, 10 INTs at 9.5 yards/attempt (with another 7 rush TDs) seems objectively spectacular, not semi, to me.

What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
 
You clearly know more about prospects than me but 73% completion, 4,010 yards, 35 pass TDs, 10 INTs at 9.5 yards/attempt (with another 7 rush TDs) seems objectively spectacular, not semi, to me.

What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
In the context of that offense, with those weapons, with that schedule, it's pretty semi- to me. Kyle McCord was 4779/34/12. I've seen a couple of Mason Rudolph comps and that seems right. I was thinking Kenny Pickett.

- draft projection round 4-5

- overall rank 72

He's got tools, and the Rudolph/Pickett comps don't mean that's who he will be, just who he looks like now at those same points in their careers. Coaching, opportunity, development, those are all up in the air and he could certainly end up a much better QB than those guys. Kirk Cousins upside is certainly in reach. And I LOVE LOVE LOVE his connection to Kelly. That offense won't fully translate to the NFL, but a lot of the concepts will.

I'd do back flips if we get tools in the first three rounds and Howard on day 3. Most projections have him in round 5 or 6. Sign me up all day for that.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...draft-quarterback-team-fits-ward-sanders-dart - Howard in the 6th, no Raider QB
 
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I'd love him as our developmental guy at the right price
I'd do back flips if we get tools in the first three rounds and Howard on day 3. Most projections have him in round 5 or 6. Sign me up all day for that.
To clarify this, my enthusiasm is mostly about Howard's proven ability to operate within Kelly's offense. I think Kelly's got a bit of mad scientist to him (maybe too much?) and not any QB can survive in it - maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like it's an all-or-nothing proposal. We either get a magical procession like TOSU just got or we get a flaming disaster. Knowing how Howard integrated into it plus his (hopefully) cheap cost increases my confidence.
 
I'd love him as our developmental guy at the right price
I'd do back flips if we get tools in the first three rounds and Howard on day 3. Most projections have him in round 5 or 6. Sign me up all day for that.
To clarify this, my enthusiasm is mostly about Howard's proven ability to operate within Kelly's offense. I think Kelly's got a bit of mad scientist to him (maybe too much?) and not any QB can survive in it - maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like it's an all-or-nothing proposal. We either get a magical procession like TOSU just got or we get a flaming disaster. Knowing how Howard integrated into it plus his (hopefully) cheap cost increases my confidence.
I would not be upset if we drafted him for the reasons you state.
 
I've seen Will Howard play a lot last few years. Good college QB. Looks like a solid backup at best to me, but maybe I am wrong. If he stayed at Kansas State and didn't go to Ohio State where he was surrounded with great players at WR and RB and O line he probably does not even get drafted.
 
I've seen Will Howard play a lot last few years. Good college QB. Looks like a solid backup at best to me, but maybe I am wrong. If he stayed at Kansas State and didn't go to Ohio State where he was surrounded with great players at WR and RB and O line he probably does not even get drafted.
I would not be upset if we didn’t draft him for the reasons you state.
 
Carr may be out for the year. What does the trade chart say we can get for moving to 9?
More than their 3rd, less than their 2nd, but the "QB tax" always pops up so they may just pay the 2nd to get it locked in. I'd probably be happy offering it for their 3rd this year and 3rd next.
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
 
So, the betting odds suggest the top 5 picks are going to be: Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Will Johnson & Mason Graham.

Raiders are on the clock and I seems the best available players are:

Shedeur Sanders (QB)
Ashton Jeanty (RB)
Jalon Walker (Edge)
Armand Membou (OT)

I think most of us would like them to trade down to #9 with the Saints BUT let's pretend there is no trade partner (seems the more likely scenarios are either; NO trading to #5 to beat the Raiders to Shedeur or standing pay and counting on the Jets & Panthers to pass on Shedeur), who do you take?

I'm an OT kind of guy but I don't see how you pass on the QB.
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
For sure. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t stand the guy.
 
So, the betting odds suggest the top 5 picks are going to be: Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Will Johnson & Mason Graham.

Raiders are on the clock and I seems the best available players are:

Shedeur Sanders (QB)
Ashton Jeanty (RB)
Jalon Walker (Edge)
Armand Membou (OT)

I think most of us would like them to trade down to #9 with the Saints BUT let's pretend there is no trade partner (seems the more likely scenarios are either; NO trading to #5 to beat the Raiders to Shedeur or standing pay and counting on the Jets & Panthers to pass on Shedeur), who do you take?

I'm an OT kind of guy but I don't see how you pass on the QB.
I’m with you. Really hoping for a trade partner
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
For sure. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t stand the guy.
Oh come on guys, he's a coach getting excited about talking football. And he's doing a series of player highlights - he's not going to invite a guy to his content and eviscerate him. I'd bet my mortgage AP and Pete Carroll would be exactly the same way.
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
For sure. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t stand the guy.
Oh come on guys, he's a coach getting excited about talking football. And he's doing a series of player highlights - he's not going to invite a guy to his content and eviscerate him. I'd bet my mortgage AP and Pete Carroll would be exactly the same way.
I agree. It's politics, not football analysis. I mean, watching it makes me want to draft him at #6, but that would be dumber than Fredo talking about Jimmy Ola in a Cuban strip club.
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
For sure. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t stand the guy.
Oh come on guys, he's a coach getting excited about talking football. And he's doing a series of player highlights - he's not going to invite a guy to his content and eviscerate him. I'd bet my mortgage AP and Pete Carroll would be exactly the same way.
It wasn’t just his show. It was broadcasting
Every interview ever. Dude is caricature
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
For sure. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t stand the guy.
Oh come on guys, he's a coach getting excited about talking football. And he's doing a series of player highlights - he's not going to invite a guy to his content and eviscerate him. I'd bet my mortgage AP and Pete Carroll would be exactly the same way.
It wasn’t just his show. It was broadcasting
Every interview ever. Dude is caricature
They're all caricatures on camera. You lose access when you start openly criticizing active players. That's why I never understood people hating specific broadcasters, they're all the same.
 
What are people saying about his release? Fast or Leftwich?

Does he have an elite NFL caliber arm? Or is he closer to Pennington?

Mostly wondering because of the Chip Kelly connection.
Wanna fall in love with him?
Interesting. Although the next time Gruden says something negative about a player will be the first time*. To listen to him you'd think every player was a future GOAT.


*Outside of email of course.
For sure. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t stand the guy.
Oh come on guys, he's a coach getting excited about talking football. And he's doing a series of player highlights - he's not going to invite a guy to his content and eviscerate him. I'd bet my mortgage AP and Pete Carroll would be exactly the same way.
It wasn’t just his show. It was broadcasting
Every interview ever. Dude is caricature
They're all caricatures on camera. You lose access when you start openly criticizing active players. That's why I never understood people hating specific broadcasters, they're all the same.
Agreed. I’ve voiced this before. I just think his blowhard chucky split y banana crap is/was the worst
 
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the Dolphins and CB Jalen Ramsey are exploring trade options.
Rapoport added that “it wouldn’t be a surprise if [Ramsey] played elsewhere in 2025.” The Dolphins owe Ramsey $25.1 million in 2025, and don’t seem eager to keep him onboard after an underwhelming two seasons in Miami. Ramsey has five interceptions for the Dolphins over 27 games, missing significant time with various injuries, including a lingering knee issue. Ramsey in 2024 was graded by Pro Football Focus as the league’s 24th best cover corner out of 133 qualifying cornerbacks. Entering his age-31 seasons, Ramsey should get a decent amount of interest in the trade market in the coming weeks.

I could see Raiders making a play for him.
 
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the Dolphins and CB Jalen Ramsey are exploring trade options.
Rapoport added that “it wouldn’t be a surprise if [Ramsey] played elsewhere in 2025.” The Dolphins owe Ramsey $25.1 million in 2025, and don’t seem eager to keep him onboard after an underwhelming two seasons in Miami. Ramsey has five interceptions for the Dolphins over 27 games, missing significant time with various injuries, including a lingering knee issue. Ramsey in 2024 was graded by Pro Football Focus as the league’s 24th best cover corner out of 133 qualifying cornerbacks. Entering his age-31 seasons, Ramsey should get a decent amount of interest in the trade market in the coming weeks.

I could see Raiders making a play for him.
Meh. Sure, but is an aging DB in decline really what this team needs?
 

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