ICON211
Footballguy
I'm not super excited about it, but this team does need a corner. Depending on the price it's worth a look.
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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Happy trails Derek - one a Raider always a Raider ☠ (16 Viewers)
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Yes as long as that price is about 1/2 thhe $25M number
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
If he’s somehow really cheap, sure. Otherwise 
Chadstroma
Footballguy
For a trade (value) and at that contract? Pass.
Sign me a couple of these guys after the draft instead.
Asante Samuel Jr.
Rasul Douglas
Mike Hilton
Stephon Gilmore
Kendall Fuller
Tre'Davious White
Shaquill Griffin
Arthur Maulet
Emmanuel Moseley
James Bradberry
Chaka
Footballguy
It amazes me they haven't brought in Samuel and Julian Blackmon. Those are two young guys with plenty of upside who know the FA money has dried up.
The rest of those guys are fine but a little long(ish) in the tooth for me.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Not so sure about this.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
With 26 being the oldest corner we have right now, I am ok bringing in an older vet than can bring perspective and help the young bucks learn the position more.
Samuel does seem like a no brainer to me but who knows what he is asking for right now. He could have be (should have been) approached by multiple clubs. He hasn't been signed for a reason.
I have liked Douglas a long time and think he has been continually under rated. Hated we let him go when we had him. 30 isn't too old for corner and I think could be a good addition.
Gilmore had a solid season with the Vikings last year and shown a good fit for what Graham wants to do.
Griffin makes sense with the Seattle connection.
I could go on... these are not guys to over pay for to change the entire game for us but we are so thin at corner right now and I can't say we are top heavy though I am positive on the potential upsode for Bennett and Richardson. The draft, which I assume we will bring on at least one new corner, only makes us younger. I really would like someone who has played the game to bring some vet presence in there and add some depth for us regardless where they fit into that depth. I have to imagine we do sign at least two vets after the draft at some point.
As a side note, we have the second most cap space currently.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
CHAD!!! We totally agree!
Chaka
Footballguy
CHAD!!! We totally agree!
Chadstroma
Footballguy
CHAD!!! We totally agree!
Oh Jeebus.... now I am scared to look out my window because I half expect to see the Four Horsemen staring back at me.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
CHAD!!! We totally agree!
joey
Footballguy
No horsemen.CHAD!!! We totally agree!
But it is raining frogs. Is that bad?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Locusts?No horsemen.CHAD!!! We totally agree!
But it is raining frogs. Is that bad?
joey
Footballguy
I have zero clue what the raiders will do at the 1.6 at this point.
And I have zero confidence in my opinion of what I think they should do at that pick.
There are just so many variations and paths thru the first few rounds that I’m clueless.
In the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, do they go
RB, QB, WR?
DB, RB, QB?
DB, WR, RB?
A million other possibilities.
No clue which once I’d actually prefer.
And I have zero confidence in my opinion of what I think they should do at that pick.
There are just so many variations and paths thru the first few rounds that I’m clueless.
In the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, do they go
RB, QB, WR?
DB, RB, QB?
DB, WR, RB?
A million other possibilities.
No clue which once I’d actually prefer.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
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Chadstroma
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It seems this is the most "I have no clue what happens" draft in recent memory.
For me, if Jeanty is as advertised, then he is our choice. I am not hearing anyone outside of Carter that is being put on that level on the OL or DL. Yes, RB's can be got later but the same is true of TE's and who would be ok with passing up another Bowers at a different position? Give me the best, elite player that can make the biggest impact. From my limited understanding (I have done very little of my own 'research' this year) that seems to be Jeanty.
For the right value, I am good with trading back as well but not for a discount just to move back.
For me, if Jeanty is as advertised, then he is our choice. I am not hearing anyone outside of Carter that is being put on that level on the OL or DL. Yes, RB's can be got later but the same is true of TE's and who would be ok with passing up another Bowers at a different position? Give me the best, elite player that can make the biggest impact. From my limited understanding (I have done very little of my own 'research' this year) that seems to be Jeanty.
For the right value, I am good with trading back as well but not for a discount just to move back.
Chaka
Footballguy
Sleeper reporting the Raiders may be locking in on Membou.
21 years old, very talented, massive and with room to grow.
All I can say is if everyone knew that Penei Sewell was going to become the player he is (and people pretend they did, but they didn't), he would have gone higher than #7 overall (Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Kyle Pitts, Ja'Marr Chase & Jaylen Waddle).
21 years old, very talented, massive and with room to grow.
All I can say is if everyone knew that Penei Sewell was going to become the player he is (and people pretend they did, but they didn't), he would have gone higher than #7 overall (Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Kyle Pitts, Ja'Marr Chase & Jaylen Waddle).
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I’m fine with that. He’s who I would taken In the Fbg mock if I was doing it solo. Best case, trade Back with NO and still get him. Unlikely though
Chaka
Footballguy
FTR after looking at the QB nightmare of the Sewell draft (2021) I think I also would prefer Membou at this point, even if Shedeur (who I initially preferred) is available.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I’m sure. But it’s voluntary
Chaka
Footballguy
It's the last year of his contract and he's the 15th-24th highest paid tackle in the league depending on how you measure it.
Even if they draft Membou it would be nice to get a couple years of them together instead of a zero sum swap in 2026 (assuming Miller doesn't force his way out in 2025).
Chaka
Footballguy
He's not getting paid as the top LT and I doubt he asks for that. Not every FA asks for a market setting deal.
He started 107 of 109 games. He's missed four games in eight seasons, all in '23. He started all 17 last year. He had a down '24 but still graded out at 80.6 overall which, was good for 14th overall and 82.2 in pass pro which, was good for 11th.
With coach Pete in town I have no problem with paying him a fair market deal. Even in a down year he deserves more than the $12.25 he's scheduled to make this year. That's close to bottom of the market of all tackles not just LTs.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I agreed with you and then said these are voluntary workouts.
I hope he doesn’t hold out. IMHO he doesn’t warrant a hold out. Maybe a 2 year extension at #14 money. But he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire lately.
Chaka
Footballguy
They have plenty of cap space. Give him the top 10 deal he's earned and be done with it. Coach Pete will have him running through walls in no time.
I'm all for good bargains but this short term, low dollar notion isn't a realistic approach for every situation. Rewarding guys who have been doing the heavy lifting for as long as Miller has brings a tangible benefit to the entire locker room. Players notice when franchises low-ball franchise stalwarts and they notice when franchises reward them.
Pay the man, he's earned it.
I'm all for good bargains but this short term, low dollar notion isn't a realistic approach for every situation. Rewarding guys who have been doing the heavy lifting for as long as Miller has brings a tangible benefit to the entire locker room. Players notice when franchises low-ball franchise stalwarts and they notice when franchises reward them.
Pay the man, he's earned it.
kaso
Footballguy
I agree, I think some of the bad film on him and sacks could also be attributed to poor play calling and the statues we've had a QB over the last couple of years. Not saying he hasn't had his miscues, but a better scheme and mobile QB helps a good o-line look great.
Fair market deal, keep a guy we drafted, and don't add yet another position that needs to be addressed this off-season. The Raiders have enough holes.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think this is a great point. The Getsy effect is real.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I keep seeing Jeanty being mocked to Vegas. Obvious talent but is he what Raider fans want there?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am hoping going from the wide (Getsy) to outside (Chip) zones will be a big boost back to our line and running game. Add in Jeanty and we are a good running team again. (I have increasingly seen drafts having Jags take Jeanty now. So he may not be there. If not, I would be even more eager to trade down).
Chadstroma
Footballguy
For me... yes, with the caveat if he is indeed elite like everyone believes and what his college career says. Give me a top 3 RB in the league over a very good D or O lineman. I want the player that is an all pro/HOF prospect over a very good starter every time.
Chaka
Footballguy
FWIW I'll take the all pro/HOF tackle every time.
Not sure why we can project Jeanty to All-Pro but not Membou.
But I will definitely be happy with Jeanty.
ICON211
Footballguy
Membou may be great, but it's a lot easier to project RB than OT. Jeanty is one of the best RB prospects in the last 10-20 years. Membou is a tackle that I don't think even his biggest supporters can say with confidence he will be great. Not many RBs with Jeanty's status bust. Tons of OTs that are viewed similar to Membou bust.
ICON211
Footballguy
Last 15 Years RBs Drafted Top 10:
2023 Bijan Robinson
2018 Saquon Barkley
2017 Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey
2016 Zeke Elliott
2015 Todd Gurley
2012 Trent Richardson
Out of this group I'd only call Richardson a bust. Barkley, McCaffrey, Zeke and Gurley have been named All Pro. Barkley, McCaffrey and Gurley have won Offensive Player of the Year. If a RB is considfered for a top 10 pick there is a really good chance they will turn out to be a great player. It would take me too much time to list the offensive lineman that have been drafted over the last 15 years in the top 10 that have been busts.
2023 Bijan Robinson
2018 Saquon Barkley
2017 Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey
2016 Zeke Elliott
2015 Todd Gurley
2012 Trent Richardson
Out of this group I'd only call Richardson a bust. Barkley, McCaffrey, Zeke and Gurley have been named All Pro. Barkley, McCaffrey and Gurley have won Offensive Player of the Year. If a RB is considfered for a top 10 pick there is a really good chance they will turn out to be a great player. It would take me too much time to list the offensive lineman that have been drafted over the last 15 years in the top 10 that have been busts.
Chaka
Footballguy
I love Barkley and, if Jeanty turns into him the Raiders should be thrilled. HOWEVER, he was all world as a rookie and year two was looking great but it turned into three injury plagued seasons. He turned it around in year five then was volume dependent replacement level in year six. It took a change of scenery and an all world offensive line to change opinions on him going into 2024. I got him at pick 13 in the FBG Home League last season, he was the sixth RB off the board.
Everyone loves McCaffrey and we should be thrilled if Jeanty is anywhere close to him. But it's also been an incredibly bumpy ride. Most of us thought he was mid in year one and done by year five. Another situation where a change of scenery and running behind a great line in the most RB friendly system in the league turned his career around.
Zeke was a marginally replacement level in year two and pretty much done by year five.
Fournette was 100% a waste of draft capital. He was barely replacement level in Jacksonville, his stats were entirely volume dependent. He had one truly good season in his career.
Gurley had three great years in his first four seasons. Then nothing.
Richardson was an abject failure.
Bijan looks great. No complaints so far.
So, currently one possible hit (BIjan entering his third season) two of the best of their era (Saquon & McCaffrey) but not for their original teams and four hard passes. Three years of top (or top-ish) level production, at best, does not warrant the draft capital spent on them.
Maybe this is just me but I would gladly take eight years (going on nine) of Kolton Miller level production out of the sixth pick over what Zeke, Gurley, Fournette & Richardson gave their teams. IMO, the likelihood of landing the next Saquon or McCaffrey at #6 is about the same as landing the next Sewell. And the likelihood of landing a Saquon or McCaffrey in rounds 2+ is greater than finding the next Sewell.
Chaka
Footballguy
So, if the Steelers decide they are going to give up on Aaron Rodgers, and I hope they do, they would likely want to try and get in front of New Orleans to get him. Obviously that means they start by going after Carolina and the Jets for trades before reaching out to the Raiders.
With that in mind: Should the Raiders accept the same, or a little less, than Carolina or the Jets to facilitate the move down to 21 and still get additional value, or should they staunchly hold onto whatever draft value calculator they use and be content to stand pat at #6?
With that in mind: Should the Raiders accept the same, or a little less, than Carolina or the Jets to facilitate the move down to 21 and still get additional value, or should they staunchly hold onto whatever draft value calculator they use and be content to stand pat at #6?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Just don’t get fleeced like Gruden.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
No thanks to Kolton Miller at top 10 money he's not anywhere near that level of play. I'd be all for a moderate one year extension with nothing guaranteed plus incentives to either guarantee or add to it or both. One year, $18M, with another $5M in incentives for good play sounds fine.
I'd accept a trade down to 21 for any reasonable compensation. That's right at the end of my tier for top talent and PIT has no 2nd so it would need to include a 2026 1st at least so sign me up for that. "The Chart" says #78 plus 2026 1st isn't quite enough. I'd settle for that.
I'd accept a trade down to 21 for any reasonable compensation. That's right at the end of my tier for top talent and PIT has no 2nd so it would need to include a 2026 1st at least so sign me up for that. "The Chart" says #78 plus 2026 1st isn't quite enough. I'd settle for that.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, but I don't know what that looks like. Presumably the Steelers are the most likely candidate to move up for Shedeur and New Orleans is the obvious target they need to jump.
Carolina is the easiest option for them unless someone in Pittsburgh thinks the Jets aren't long term enamored with Fields (a distinct possibility). So how much should the Raiders be willing to give up from the #6 spot if they still want to add draft capital and drop out of the six spot? Presumably they will need to beat Carolina's ask. Is giving up the value difference between #6 & #8 but still gaining the value of a swap from #8 to #21 a better option than standing pat and taking Jeanty, Membou etc.?
I guess the Raiders could also float the idea they are interested in Shedeur, which is plausible but it might not bring Pittsburgh to the table or make them start talking with Jacksonville.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Totally agree. But I’d give miller 2 more years. Better optics
Chaka
Footballguy
I hate this take. Nothing personal of course.
A low ball, prove it deal like that for one of the anchors of this team for the last eight years causes more damage in the locker room than is gained from financial savings. Financial savings which the Raiders can easily stomach at the moment.
Miller has earned the benefit of the doubt and I am happy to go with the suggestion that his 2024 drop off is more likely related to Getsy's schemes and poor QB decision making. Even in a down year he graded out as the #14 tackle in the league (not sure I love PFF as the final say in metrics but it is becoming the standard by which we judge these things). And he's only 29 years old.
Not every available option can, or should be jammed into the "low dollar, prove it" bucket.
I don't think the Saints want Sanders or any QB at 9. People like Shefter and Jeremiah have said as much in the past few days(about Sanders) so if you don't believe me maybe you do them.
I don't see anyone trading up to 8 to draft him. The notion that Carolina benefitted from the Carr injury and trade market materialized to get ahead of them is IMO a media driven narrative for content.
Reality is if does not unexpectedly go at 1.3 that no team currently picking between 4-20 is likely to draft him or any QB. So if a team like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Giants, etc want him they can likely move up to the mid to late teens and not pay to move up to 8.
Jeremiah also said the other day his prediction is that any QB other then Ward that does in round one will be a team(s) second first round pick. So this lends credence to teams trading up, but again I don't think you need to move up that high.
Chaka
Footballguy
I know you're probably right. Just trying to generate a little conversation in a mostly dead Time.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I can get on board with this. The Saints have backed themselves into utter cap hell and are looking at a full rebuild if Carr is down and out for the year, and should be looking at BPA at #9.
That said, if there's one QB in this draft capable of stepping in and starting from day 1 at a decent level, it's probably Shede - so if perhaps they are eyeing him in that way, but are throwing smoke at the media to dissuade the likes of Pitt from trading up in front of them. The Falcons threw $100 MM of smoke last year to keep the scent off of their love for Penix, so anything is possible this time of year.
Sorry, not trying to be a party pooper.
Lol, I don't think the Falcons paid Cousins $100M throw people off the scent. They just had a really faulty process which apparently included being swayed by seeing him throw in person instead of seeing it on tape. But I will forever think of Penix as a reason to not give absolutes. This is why I try and couch everything with "I think, IMO, etc,etc" and try to refrain some saying stuff like "no chance".
Hankmoody
Footballguy
A $7.75M pay increase after two crappy years is hardly a lowball offer, many guys are cap cuts in that scenario. $18M is LT10 money in 2025 and it's got potential to turn into LT3. His last contract averaged $18M and he hasn't come close to a positive return on that. It's not criminal to ask a guy to not get a massive raise for stinking it up.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's fine as long as it's not guaranteed until he plays well again. Heck it could be better that way - a good 2025 can mean higher pay and higher guarantees in 2026 AND 2027. I've always said I'd LOVE to have to pay guys a bajillion dollars since they played so well. Let's do it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Big, if literal.
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